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On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.


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improperdancing

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Gweedotk wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

schwarzaj wrote...

Again, Bioware, you obviously are not listening to us. We want the ending changed. We want the decisions we made to matter. We want you to keep your promises. Stop with the BS and do what needs to be done.


YOU want the ending changed.

This is one of the things that irks the hell out of me.  You don't speak for ME.  You don't speak for anyone other than yourself.  Stop pretending you do.


Well, to be fair, he does seem to speak for a very large group of fans that only appears to be growing in size, although at this point I'm sure quite a few people have just given up on BioWare because it's clear they don't give a damn what we think.

Anyway, here's the thing about BioWare releasing some free DLC that changes the ending (not the stupid Extended Cut that no one really wants): You don't have to download it.

If you're fine with the ending as-is and don't want it changed, simply neglect to download the new ending.  It's not like BioWare would be forcing you at gunpoint to go into the Marketplace (or wherever you go on Origin...I wouldn't know as Origin is terrible) and download it, then play through to see it.  If you're happy with the ending, you're more than welcome to leave that bit of code off of your hard drive and keep enjoying the game as currently presented (although you may want to get your head examined).

I really don't understand why anyone would be against BioWare changing the ending when, in reality, it only affects those of us who want the ending changed.  The rest of you don't have to experience it.  It's like a Blu-Ray movie shipping with two versions: the regular cut and the Director's Cut.  You aren't obligated to watch both of them, but a lot of us still like to have the option.


You make a fair point. Who knows, maybe it would be better too.

Although I do stress that BSN remain polite in the mean time. No personal attacks on Devs. They may make the new content but it doesn't take long for a dev to simply get tired of the negativity and head over to Blizzard.


Well, I'm currently not planning to buy any further BioWare or EA products, so if BioWare's developers want to head somewhere else, that's fine by me.

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silver6kraid wrote...

Regardless of all that you still fail to at least attempt to see things from their point of view. I guess it was foolish of me to try and make a raging fan think rationally and be respectful. My mistake. 

Well, since we are the buyers of what they want to sell the onus is more on them to try and see our point of view.

I think the thing is it is easy enough to see their point of view and all that this is what they came up with in the time allotted and maybe they have more to add, as far as if they came out with the best that they have and all, but..

It is obvious they would have a hard time explaining that this choice of endings is up to the standards of the rest of the game.  They would have a hard time explaining that some supreme, logical being would think the circular "logic" is logic.  They would have a hard time explaining Joker and all escaping from the Sol system.  Let alone the fact that none of them would have run, from the fight and especially not from Shepard.  They would have a hard time explaining how anyone would have survived mass relay destruction.  They'd have a hard time explaining Shepard's actions in the face of no-win "choices".  S/he doesn't even put up so much as a whimper when told s/he has 3 choices. 

Oh, so what if it means countless beings that I've worked my butt off trying to reconcile and save from annihilation will be wiped out-I'm off to make my choice.  Yippee. 

They'd have a hard time trying to explain that after the beam hit Shepard in London, his teammates on the mission (or at least one of them) is alive and all and leaves the ship on that unknown planet with Joker.  They may actually be able to tie up all these loose ends, but when people starting saying, "WHAT?!!" about the endings, they kept quiet and came out with their best explanation, that it's artistic.  They didn't try and share their last minute vision with anyone.  So, tell me what is their point of view?

Ok, if it's artistic, it's Salvadore Dali/Picasso artistic.  But, it's supposed to be a videogame, not an arthouse movie with a cryptic ending.  As game devs they have every right to follow their vision, no matter how incomprehensible and esoteric and illogical it may be.  But, don't expect me to agree with it and don't expect me to buy it.  And if I have previously bought into what they've sold and bought a title based upon my previous experience with the world they created, and the last ten minutes of the total experience is vastly different from the rest, do not expect me to be quiet about it.

When I am unhappy about a product I buy, I don't just sit back and say, "oh well". 

I'm very willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and I so appreciate the world they created, the characters, and all.  But, appreciation is a 2 way street.  The announcement of the EC DLC was great to a point-not so much, when it also seems to suggest we just didn't "get" their take on the ending when they have never opened up a true dialog with fans to try to explain what it means to them.


It also all boils down to the fact that they in many ways should be honored and flattered that people do care so much about what they created.  If they make it an excuse to take their ball and go home, then they haven't learned anything.  I don't think they will do that.  They have a real chance here to make some history and some goodwill in the process.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 16 avril 2012 - 11:22 .


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Thanatos144 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

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They made a statement. Perhapsyou didnt know about the extended cut?


Thanatos144.......do you agree with the release of the extended DLC?

whats there to agree with? They are making it. Nothing to agree with. Do I like the idea???Who wouldnt want more content?


Well the point is that the very people here,who you shoot holes in every day are the very people who have convinced Bioware that the ending needs at least explaining further.........hence this free DLC.......some thing to think about.

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darkway1 wrote...


Well the point is that the very people here,who you shoot holes in every day are the very people who have convinced Bioware that the ending needs at least explaining further.........hence this free DLC.......some thing to think about.


This is it exactly.  If no one ever states dissatisfaction over things like this, then there never is the remote chance it will get changed.  Why just sit back and say it's all ok if you don't like it.  You paid real money for this stuff.  People also walk out on crappy movies and demand their money back.  They send food back that's awful.  Bethesda fans complain about crud with Skyrim, so why shouldn't people state their opinions.  If someone disagrees and just loves the ending, it would be nice to add to the discussion, really.

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improperdancing wrote...Well, to be fair, he does seem to speak for a very large group of fans that only appears to be growing in size, although at this point I'm sure quite a few people have just given up on BioWare because it's clear they don't give a damn what we think.

Anyway, here's the thing about BioWare releasing some free DLC that changes the ending (not the stupid Extended Cut that no one really wants): You don't have to download it.

If you're fine with the ending as-is and don't want it changed, simply neglect to download the new ending.  It's not like BioWare would be forcing you at gunpoint to go into the Marketplace (or wherever you go on Origin...I wouldn't know as Origin is terrible) and download it, then play through to see it.  If you're happy with the ending, you're more than welcome to leave that bit of code off of your hard drive and keep enjoying the game as currently presented (although you may want to get your head examined).

I really don't understand why anyone would be against BioWare changing the ending when, in reality, it only affects those of us who want the ending changed.  The rest of you don't have to experience it.  It's like a Blu-Ray movie shipping with two versions: the regular cut and the Director's Cut.  You aren't obligated to watch both of them, but a lot of us still like to have the option.


I'm perfectly fine with EA (because that's really what Bioware is at this point) deciding the ending sucks, and outright changing it.  I'm perfectly fine with them giving the fans the middle finger and changing nothing.  I'd like to see an ending that fits the promises Casey Hudson made, but I also have no delusions whatsoever that I deserve it.  It's not my story.  I don't get to decide how it ends.

And therein lies my entire beef with the "Retake" movement.  You can't take back something you never had in the first place.  No matter what snake oil Casey Hudson tried to sell you, Mass Effect was never your story, it was never your narrative.  You were given the illusion of choice and told it was yours.  I'm sorry a lot of fans got duped.  But it is what it is.  EA took control of the story that was rightfully theirs, and no one has to like it.  Hell, no one SHOULD like it.

But you respond not through protests, or FTC complaints, or by sending cupcakes to Bioware.  You respond by walking away.  I figured from the start that ME3 was going to be the last game from EA I bought, and they gave me no reason to change my mind.  Have no intent to purchase the eventual Omega DLC, or any DLC that is in production.  The answer isn't to give EA more publicity to twist... the answer is to leave and let EA die a slow death alone.

If I didn't like a good subsection of this community, I wouldn't be posting here either.

#17356
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Just....go with the damned Indoctrination theory. It is beautiful. It makes sense, or at least it can be made to make sense. Use it, Bioware.

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I'll quote myself from the review topic:

Well i've been defending the ending in the previous lines.... and as I said I kinda liked master idea behind it..... but it's undeniable that it has some serious flaws from the narrative point of view:
- All 3 endings are very similar,we are offered with 3 options that seem to lead to 63 different conclusions, but even if it's clear that the conclusion is not the same it's presented in a way that it seems so, aestetically, narratively, there should be moredifferences between the "Blue", "Red" and "Green" endings.
- Unresolved questions: Still, when don' know who, when and where the Reapers were creater (although we finally learn why they were created), the nature an origin of the catalyst/Kid is totally unknown. Did Liara and Garrus finally die? The game hints so but more clarity would be appreciated.... and finally what happens with Earth and the rest of the Galaxy? No need to go into excesive details but some info at least...... What the synthesis really is wasn't clear to me.... does that fusion of synthetic and organic life mean? At the end of the game I see Ashley, Joker and EDI as individuals but with "green circuits printed on them" at fisrt thought that it consisted in all species and sythetics being "meelted" together to create a totally new species with new individuals..... Was necesary for Shepard to throw himself from a hole to activate the synthesis?
- Plotholes: After playing arrival I thought that destroying a relay meant the total annihilation of a system but it doesn't seem so in ME3. I think that Vendetta said in Thessia or in Cerberus base that the Crucible was the Prothean contribution to the Crucible, but the Catalyst/kid speaks as if it was there since the begining of the times ....... I know that here were a bunch more of them,yes I came to them..... but it's quite late here in
my country, time to sleep......

I hope that the Extended Cut DLCs improves this problems, if not totally, yes in a big degree


Modifié par Feanor_II, 16 avril 2012 - 11:51 .


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I wonder if Bioware created this 'bottleneck' of free choice at the end of the game( the 3 choices) in order to facilitate easier a Mass Effect 4. It seems as i recall that the writers were having an incremental difficulty with each sequel to reflect players decisions in their adventures and the subsequent consequences resulting from those choices. Streamlining the ending(s) and creating specific ME3 playable DLC may give the future writers of any ME4 more freedom to create a new story without being shackled to the many variables inherent in the original trilogy.

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There were plenty of better ways to go about it if that was the case. I think it was just a matter of Casey Hudson and Mac Walters being irate that the script got leaked, and so they went into hiding to write an ending because they couldn't "trust" their team not to leak that ending too. Hence why it looked like it never got reviewed or edited in anything resembling a competent manner.

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Okay, my opinion about the ending is exactly like this comment I saw some guy write on YouTube:

I might be the only person who knows why the endings happened, for example Red Ending-EA put a hologram in front of the core you shot at and shepard thought it was a reaper, blue ending EA dared shepard to hold onto the 2 electric handells for 30 sec and green ending shepard wanted to go for a jog until EA put a rock in front of him:(

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This is what I've gathered so far:

God Kid: You're almost at the end Shepard!

Shep: Who are you?

God Kid: I'm the catalyst, this is my home.

Shep: Erh.... what?

God Kid: Just go with it.

Shep: Wait.. you're the kid I saw on Earth! And you're in my dreams.

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: But you died!

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: How are you here? Why are you here? What's going on?

God Kid: Two words - Artistic Integrity.

Shep: Huh?

God Kid: Just go with it ok buddy? We're almost at the end of this thing, and you need to make a decision from three choices!

Shep: Just three?

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: Why?

God Kid: I already told you - Artistic Integrity. Now the blue colored structure on your left let's you control the reapers. If you pick that, then you will die, the relays will be destroyed, but everyone lives including the reapers.

Shep: Well, I don't want to die, and I don't want the reapers to live because we've already established that you can't control them, and I don't want to destroy the mass relays because each solar system will be destroyed.

God Kid: The systems will be fine, but you will send civilization back to the stone age.

Shep: But I've destroyed a mass relay before and -

God Kid: Artistic Integrity buddy, just go with it. Your second choice is that green beam of light in the middle. If you pick that then you will fuse synthetic and organic life together creating a new form of life...

Shep: Erh... what??

God Kid: ...and you will die, and the relays will be destroyed.

Shep: Ok, well I like humanity the way it is and I'm pretty sure the other civilizations like the way they are... plus we already know that I don't want to die destroying the mass relays.

God Kid: Um... yeah... about that....

Shep: What is it?

God Kid: Let's just keep going.... So that red structure on the right?

Shep: Yeah?

God Kid: Destroying that will destroy the reapers...

Shep: That's good!

God Kid: ... you'll also destroy all synthetic life including EDI and the Geth...

Shep: That's bad...

God Kid: ... and you'll die and destroy all the mass relays.

Shep: So let me get this straight... no matter what I choose, I always die and always destroy the mass relays?

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: And you call that a choice?

God Kid: It is by Artistic Integrity's definition.... Oh but wait! There's more! Guess what?

Shep: What?

God Kid: Depending on the choice you make, the color of the explosion will be different! How about that for variety!? At least you've got that going for you!

Shep: I don't understand any of this though. Why I am limited to these choices? What if I don't make a choice?

God Kid: Well, I'll kill if you don't. You have to make a choice. Otherwise the cycle will continue. The reapers will destroy organics because organics will create synthetics that will destroy organics.

Shep: What the hell are you talking about? I just brokered a peace treaty between the Geth and Quarians. The Geth even want the Quarians back on their homeworld -

God Kid: ARTISTIC INTEGRITY! Don't make me repeat myself!

Shep: So, the reapers, a synthetic race of robots, are destroying organic life to stop synthetic life from destroying organic life?

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: But that makes no sense!

God Kid: ARTISTIC -

Shep: - Integrity, yeah I get it.

God Kid: Look, just accept it. This thing's been going on for 5 years now and I want to quickly wrap this up.

Shep: But what about my friends? What's going to happen to them?

God Kid: Joker will miraculously pick everyone up from Earth and then flee the battle like a coward despite your orders to keep fighting. The explosions from the mass relays will catch up with them, forcing them to crash land on a jungle planet in an obscure Adam and Eve reference.

Shep: ....

God Kid: ....

Shep: Artistic Integrity?

God Kid: Just go with it.

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Killing Kai Leng and avenging Thane's death. That was satisfying...

Grunt surviving defending us as we helped the rachni queen escape.

Garrus

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Tip for the ending: Remove the StarKid

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Hudson said they were listening... what a joke!  My faith in Bioware and EA had been shaken by their horrid ridiculous and BROKEN ending/s but their refusal to fix it (not what their trying to fob the fans off with) has now totally BROKEN MY faith in them completely.

Their inability to admit they were wrong to put that ending into the game and the fact that they may have listened but  choose to ignore their soon to be ex fans is... well being truthful to myself... heart breaking.  I really hope other game companys learn from the mistakes Bioware/EA have and are indeed still making and learn from them.


You have lost yet another fan and customer Bioware/EA... as is YOUR choice to make.

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Nardur wrote...

*"just scroll up a few posts" snip*


Despite it obviously stating "God Kid", I heard those lines being read by GLaDOS.

Speaking of which: STARCHILD - Synthetic Technobabble And Random Choices Herald Idiotic Light Displays

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Nardur wrote...

This is what I've gathered so far:

God Kid: You're almost at the end Shepard!

Shep: Who are you?

God Kid: I'm the catalyst, this is my home.

Shep: Erh.... what?

God Kid: Just go with it.

Shep: Wait.. you're the kid I saw on Earth! And you're in my dreams.

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: But you died!

God Kid: Yep.

Shep: How are you here? Why are you here? What's going on?

God Kid: Two words - Artistic Integrity.

Shep: Huh?

God Kid: Just go with it ok buddy? We're almost at the end of this thing, and you need to make a decision from three choices!
........................................And etc...........
Shep: ....

God Kid: ....

Shep: Artistic Integrity?

God Kid: Just go with it.


:OThis is priceless.  People need to go back and read the whole thing. 

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@Vengilus
I think your signature describes my feelings perfectly. If the ending was sad or bittersweet, I would have been happy. As it is, the whole ending is so ridiculously stupid and such a failure of logic that any sadness for the almost guaranteed death of Shepard is lost. I wasn't sad at all that Shepard died (even though he doesn't in the destruction ending, yes I am aware of this), I was too letdown to even care. Do you know how letdown I'd have to be to not be on the verge of tears after one of my favorite fictional characters died?

My question is, when did BW write the ending for the game? Because didn't the script get leaked like twice? Was that the same ending?

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Need the ending clarified on the three choices
1) control - We just killed The Illusive Man, whom wanted control. We had a huge discussion, even able to talk him to kill himself by making him understand that Control is not an Option, yet it is?!?!?

2) Destroy - We just spend hours helping the Quarians and Geth to unite, yet now we have to destroy them?!?!

3) Synthesis - Saren and The Illusive Man also wanted to Synthesis the Synthetic and Organics, yet we talked both of them to death, making them understand the errors of their ways. Yet we are doing exactly what we didn't want them to do?!?!?!?!

Please make these choices understandable, because currently it doesn't make any sense from the Plot given from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 3

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Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

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Your "fact" is just flat out wrong.
There will be a fanbase. Bioware is still the undisputed champions of storytelling. Blizzard comes close with the StarCraft series (broodwar in particular), but apart from that noone is even close to Bioware when it comes to building a game around an immersive story with a huge and facinating universe. This should be self-evident but I'm going to point out that nothing ... litteraly nothing in the history of video games has aroused such massive response as the Mass Effect 3 ending, and this because the players care about the story. Noone cared when Rabbit died at the end of Medal of Honor singleplayer - most of the people here proberbly didn't even know there was a guy called Rabbit in there.
I **** you not there has been school shooting which caused less of an outcry than this ending - which come to think of it brings up a good point about people needing to sort their priorities, but I'm not here to judge (after all I'm here to if only to stick up for the ending, which I actually like - and possibly help someone understand it a little better).

At the end of the day - if you like the stories in the games theres Bioware or ... you know ... books. And if you really want to turn your back on Bioware because they wrote an ending you don't like, then by all means go get your next videogame story from Call of Duty's singleplayer campaign... I promise you you'll be crawling back to Bioware after that.
If you dislike the ending, but not the game as a whole, then treat it like The Jackal. I didn't want Bruce Willis to die at the end of that, but that doesn't mean I'll never see a Bruce Willis movie again. I'll even watch a Richard Geer movie if he makes something else that's not a total chickflick.

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I don't know if anyone posted this link before, but it sums up the inconsistencies, plot holes, and thematic issues very nicely. It also explains why mere extended cutscenes of explanation can't salvage problems with the starkid and the end choices.

http://www.gamrrevie...ign=zergnet.com

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Exactly. Playing the first two games I wanted Shepard to live because dangit, I earned it. Going into the third, I knew all the cards would be on the table and win or lose, this was it. Still, I didn't want my Shepard to die.

Then something happened. As I proceeded through ME3, I started to feel that not only was my Shepard going to die, but that she HAD to die. In all the conversations I had, the choices I made, I just knew that Shepard was going to go out like a hero. She was going to take one not just for the team, but the whole fricken stadium! I even started to look forward to it, because with how everything had played out before, I knew it was going to move me. Even though I saw it coming I knew it was going to hit hard and really hurt... but I didn't want it any other way. It was to be a brilliant conclusion to one of the greatest heroes of the galaxy. Shepard! The name synonimous with 'Hero" on Tuchanka. Shepard! Who ended the conflict between Geth and Quarian, saw redemption in the Rachni, and united the entire galaxy against the greatest threat to civilization. Shepard!

And then Shepard died.

(Edit for clarity: I bet right now someone's wondering why I would write such an emotive buildup only to deflate it with a four word sentence. Sorry, I'm exercising my right to artistic expression. What I was going for is satire, much like this edit.)

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There's really not much else to say that hasn't been said already (countless times) but I do want to stress one point (again)....

WHY should we even play these games anymore? After that ending, why would I EVER want to roll a new character in Mass Effect 1 and play it through all 3 games again? I wouldn't, and I'm guessing that I'm not alone in thinking that way.

Frankly Bioware, I'm surprised that you would let such a horrible ending mark the end of this trilogy. You guys are better than this. Anyone who has played your games for all these years knows this.

It isn't about a "sad" or "happy" ending, it's about closure. There is absolutely no closure whatsoever, and that is what makes playing the whole series again seem like a big waste of time, at least for me.

On a side note, I wouldn't end Shepard's jounries if I was you. You guys are sitting on a gold mine if you fix the endings, and any DLC you release would be immediately purchased and cherished by your fans. I mean for real, I would buy a DLC that had NO action in it, and was all dialogue. That's how much I love your story-telling abilities in games.

Seriously BW, you are better than this. And Mass Effect, being the phenomenal series that it is, deserves better.

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DraziusA wrote...

On a side note, I wouldn't end Shepard's jounries if I was you. You guys are sitting on a gold mine if you fix the endings, and any DLC you release would be immediately purchased and cherished by your fans. I mean for real, I would buy a DLC that had NO action in it, and was all dialogue. That's how much I love your story-telling abilities in games.


I mean, even if Shepard survived... he/she's earned a retirement somewhere warm and sunny with beaches and endless cocktails.  Let him/her have some peace and have some other schmuck save the galaxy for once.  If they wanted to put together stories after ME3 in the timeline, this is probably a good time to shift the main character.

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chemiclord wrote...

improperdancing wrote...Well, to be fair, he does seem to speak for a very large group of fans that only appears to be growing in size, although at this point I'm sure quite a few people have just given up on BioWare because it's clear they don't give a damn what we think.

Anyway, here's the thing about BioWare releasing some free DLC that changes the ending (not the stupid Extended Cut that no one really wants): You don't have to download it.

If you're fine with the ending as-is and don't want it changed, simply neglect to download the new ending.  It's not like BioWare would be forcing you at gunpoint to go into the Marketplace (or wherever you go on Origin...I wouldn't know as Origin is terrible) and download it, then play through to see it.  If you're happy with the ending, you're more than welcome to leave that bit of code off of your hard drive and keep enjoying the game as currently presented (although you may want to get your head examined).

I really don't understand why anyone would be against BioWare changing the ending when, in reality, it only affects those of us who want the ending changed.  The rest of you don't have to experience it.  It's like a Blu-Ray movie shipping with two versions: the regular cut and the Director's Cut.  You aren't obligated to watch both of them, but a lot of us still like to have the option.


I'm perfectly fine with EA (because that's really what Bioware is at this point) deciding the ending sucks, and outright changing it.  I'm perfectly fine with them giving the fans the middle finger and changing nothing.  I'd like to see an ending that fits the promises Casey Hudson made, but I also have no delusions whatsoever that I deserve it.  It's not my story.  I don't get to decide how it ends.

And therein lies my entire beef with the "Retake" movement.  You can't take back something you never had in the first place.  No matter what snake oil Casey Hudson tried to sell you, Mass Effect was never your story, it was never your narrative.  You were given the illusion of choice and told it was yours.  I'm sorry a lot of fans got duped.  But it is what it is.  EA took control of the story that was rightfully theirs, and no one has to like it.  Hell, no one SHOULD like it.

But you respond not through protests, or FTC complaints, or by sending cupcakes to Bioware.  You respond by walking away.  I figured from the start that ME3 was going to be the last game from EA I bought, and they gave me no reason to change my mind.  Have no intent to purchase the eventual Omega DLC, or any DLC that is in production.  The answer isn't to give EA more publicity to twist... the answer is to leave and let EA die a slow death alone.

If I didn't like a good subsection of this community, I wouldn't be posting here either.


I think you miss a very important point. Say, I am buing a bottle with some liquid inside. The label says "vodka" and the salesperson confirms - "yeath, that's vodka!". But when I open it, it turns out to be kerosene. Oops... What you are suggesting is just walk away and never buy from these guys. Sure, I will do, but before that I want my mone back and I want them in the court for false advertising.

The same story with ME3 ending: the label (on the web site) says "choices matter", the salesman (Mr. Hudson) says "no space magic and no ABC nonsense". But when I open the box - oops... No, I won't just silently walk away. I'll fight back.

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EugeneBi

EugeneBi
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Netherspin wrote...

Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

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Your "fact" is just flat out wrong.
There will be a fanbase. Bioware is still the undisputed champions of storytelling. Blizzard comes close with the StarCraft series (broodwar in particular), but apart from that noone is even close to Bioware when it comes to building a game around an immersive story with a huge and facinating universe. This should be self-evident but I'm going to point out that nothing ... litteraly nothing in the history of video games has aroused such massive response as the Mass Effect 3 ending, and this because the players care about the story. Noone cared when Rabbit died at the end of Medal of Honor singleplayer - most of the people here proberbly didn't even know there was a guy called Rabbit in there.
I **** you not there has been school shooting which caused less of an outcry than this ending - which come to think of it brings up a good point about people needing to sort their priorities, but I'm not here to judge (after all I'm here to if only to stick up for the ending, which I actually like - and possibly help someone understand it a little better).

At the end of the day - if you like the stories in the games theres Bioware or ... you know ... books. And if you really want to turn your back on Bioware because they wrote an ending you don't like, then by all means go get your next videogame story from Call of Duty's singleplayer campaign... I promise you you'll be crawling back to Bioware after that.
If you dislike the ending, but not the game as a whole, then treat it like The Jackal. I didn't want Bruce Willis to die at the end of that, but that doesn't mean I'll never see a Bruce Willis movie again. I'll even watch a Richard Geer movie if he makes something else that's not a total chickflick.


I think you miss the point. This BioWare that we all love for incredible storytelling is no more. Sadly, but whatever we have instead - the EA division - is something quite different.