On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.
#17501
Posté 17 avril 2012 - 11:01
#17502
Posté 17 avril 2012 - 11:12
#17503
Posté 17 avril 2012 - 11:34
#17504
Posté 17 avril 2012 - 11:55
This is the level of scrutiny we're at on some threads. I'm not saying that everything in this has to be addressed but it's an awesome example of how much leg work the community is doing in thinking the ending(s) through for ME3. Cheers!
#17505
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 12:05
#17506
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 12:08
bigmass41 wrote...
Again, add a LI scene with shepard depending on the ending that the player choose(destroy), pretty please.
At the very least, please.
#17507
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 12:37
I can't say that it revealed much. The dream was just a dream-worry and angst over what might happen and what had happened. But, it may have meant something more. Legion my Shepard believes does have a soul and Thane learned that killing, no matter how easily justified is not justifiable. He asks for forgiveness not of himself, but of Shepard when he's dying. I doubt his concern is for Reaper deaths.
The end, well it all seems very real up until the Reaper hits Shepard with the beam. From there on it's all surreal. Everything seems very detached. And, the appearance of TIM is strange as well-I mean his physical look. I don't know much about him, but if all you ever played is ME3, then you'd think he had already achieved synthesis and not just indoctrination. He has circuits under his skin. Amazing for a "humans first" guy.
I noticed the black mist that swirls about them when they encounter TIM and Anderson's whole timeline is way off-he's behind Shepard, but got there first. They were in different areas, but in the same area. And what the heck is it with the Keepers?
But, no matter what it still boils down to the dang circular logic about the created and specifically the need to destroy advanced organics to prevent their destruction by synthetics. And, the fact that the destroy option is perceived as no end since the children will create more synthetics that will rise up to destroy their creators. FOOEY. Legion's death should have more meaning than this or more impact.
I keep thinking that the only proper choice is not to make a choice-that it would somehow short-circuit the starkid and the reapers by extension. To choose with such finality is akin to playing God, just as much as Control is seen as really playing God. Of course, how the heck you'd control the Reapers when you are dead is beyond me, but then.....
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 12:40 .
#17508
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 12:42
1-We could just destroyed the citadel killing the creator of reapers and reapers as well... why didin´t the goldchild just open (in his home the citadel) the door for them to come??? Mass Effect 1 makes no sense if the godchild exists...
2-Sovereing states that organic life is just an accident, a genetic mutation.. (inferior stuff) on the other hand Reapers are the pinacle of evolution
VS the Goldchild: I created the reapers to protect ORGANICS from synthetics (terminator cliche xD) yeah all of this was to AVOID THE END OF ORGANICS!
3-Sovereing states that they impose order in the chaos of organic evolution, he never mentions synthetics as a threat... as a matter of fact Geth are seen by them by mere instruments for they purpose not a threat
4- Sovereig says that their kind are each an independent nation, free of all weakness... you can´t even grasp the nature of our existence...
Godchild: shoot that thing over there (for CRITICAL DAMAGE) and they all will explode
5-When Shepard asks him.. "who created you?"... he answers "We have no beginning we have no end, we are INFINITE..." they are the most close thing to a god that has ever existed in the universe! (and in any sci-fi game at least...) they HAVE NO BEGINNING THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE AND WILL ALWAYS BE! WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!
VS GoldChild: I created them (WHAT?! so you lied to them about their beginning or they just don´t remember or.. is just a bluff?) cause synthetics were killing their creators and.. yeah I have a device over there which can control them if you want
6- When you encounter Sovereign he says that the term "reaper" is just a label created by the Protheans to name their destruction... Geth call them Old Machines (which is very descriptive).. the Goldchild should NEVER call them reapers... probably reapers where callled in a million ways through the millions and millions of cycles....
7- Sovereign states that the Mass Relays AND THE CITADEL were not created by the proteans, it was THEIR CREATION!!!! "the legacy of our kind" so... the goldchild created the reapers and then orderered them to create the citadel to live over there? mmm... ..&%$"%/
The godchild destroyed the main idea of a reaper with his explanations... that and many other reasons make me a supporter of the indoctrination theory! I really hope that the extended cut DLC uses that idea... after reading the announcement I really doubt it but I still don´t want to lose hope...
#17509
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 12:47
Chris Priestly wrote...
We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.
In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?
Well Yes I was deeply saddened by the conclusion but I would not go as far as to say it was ****. It actually annoys me that so many folk feel they can play the game-die-complain. YOU decide what your outcome is, No 2 peoples experiences are the same. Personally I chose to sacrifice myself . Yes it was devestating loosing charecters I had fought along side with over 3 games, Cried at final goodbyes and yes I had withdrawls since playing but How else could you say goodbye to shepard and the normandy?? I dont think any ending will be sufficient enough to make you feel warm & fuzzy again. This is the end and as as guttering and awful as it is, critisizing the writers and teams who have build this amazing series from the ground up will not make you feel any less sad. I think we all mourned shepard . My shep loved, lost, battled through 3 games and died with honour saving everything she had fought for most of her adult life. I have started me3 again this time as male shep with no import to do everything differently than i did with femshep (imported), Purely to feed the addiction. But i will take a different routes with the regarding decision & on earth , and doubt i will be dissapointed by it. There is no good way to say goodbye and the guys at Bioware deserve soo much more appreciation. Thank you Bioware xxxxx
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#17510
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:10
missfemshep wrote...
YOU decide what your outcome is, No 2 peoples experiences are the same.
#17511
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:16
schwarzaj wrote...
Apparently, BioWare's been banning anyone who comments about ME3 in a negative light and has been locking forums like crazy. I'm sorry, but if you honestly think that we're going to actually believe that your "listening to our feedback", locking out forums with actual grievances isn't helping. If your not going to address your fanbases/customers concerns in the way that they need to be, we're going to complain to you about it. Locking forums, and banning people isn't going to make us go away, it's just going to make us even more enraged. Stop the BS and change the ending.
They are further alienating their fanbase instead of building bridges. Very stupid.
#17512
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:17
Naugi wrote...
missfemshep wrote...
YOU decide what your outcome is, No 2 peoples experiences are the same.
Is this about ending? What game have you been playing? Not ME3, that's for sure...
#17513
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:17
I personally do want one choice to be a happy ending or the culmination of what I thought to be good choices to give me a chance at a happy ending with a reconcilition with my LI and friends.
It wasn't any sadness at the end that gets to me though, it is also that none of the endings allowed for the expression of any emotion, let alone a cathartic crying session where I would say goodbye. It was the fact the ending didn't have any emotional sad or emotional good real end or impact. It left me with my mouth hanging open. It was basically a ten minute, what the heck is happening kind of thing with a split second decision to make a dumb choice that makes no sense followed by a similar cutscene no matter which choice and nonsense. Again, you try to figure out how someone that was supposed to have been killed or at least was with you on Earth ran from the fight and ended up with the also cowardly Joker on an unknown planet.
Then explain if your LI was non-human and was there on that planet along with any other non-human how it's possible they all could survive for long there when the different species have different biological needs. Food and what they breathe are different. Just that one thing-could you conceive of any of your team members running away, even forgetting that they somehow magically had to instantly somehow get onto the Normandy before the Mass Relays were destroyed.
Liara was tending to the wounded. Garrus, Tali, and all others were in the midst of the fighting. So, how can it make sense?
In the end all the decisions you made through 3 games made not much of a difference. The relays are gone, life as you know it is mostly gone or stranded. You are dead or you somehow take a breath on Earth after falling from space from an exploding Citadel/Crucible.
Your never to be silent Shepard does not protest this starkid's lack of logic in saying the created will always rebel against the creator so to keep the synthetics from destroying the organics, the organics must be destroyed. Nor does she seem to think there's anything to mull over about deciding the fate (mostly deaths) of billions of people, synthetic and organic. She accepts this stuff at face value and doesn't even ask more about it.
I can say goodbye, if allowed the emotional time to do so and if I'm given a good understanding of how all this could happen for me as well as for you, even if I made all different choices along the way.
Ok, let's just take that one point about the starkid's logic about the creator and created and apply that to real life. My mom and dad created me, so I must always rebel and destroy them, therefore God (or some supreme being) must destroy them to keep me from destroying them. This is what the starkid is saying.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 01:25 .
#17514
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:22
What... no 2 endings are the same for 2 players. What...missfemshep wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
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Well Yes I was deeply saddened by the conclusion but I would not go as far as to say it was ****. It actually annoys me that so many folk feel they can play the game-die-complain. YOU decide what your outcome is, No 2 peoples experiences are the same. Personally I chose to sacrifice myself . Yes it was devestating loosing charecters I had fought along side with over 3 games, Cried at final goodbyes and yes I had withdrawls since playing but How else could you say goodbye to shepard and the normandy?? I dont think any ending will be sufficient enough to make you feel warm & fuzzy again. This is the end and as as guttering and awful as it is, critisizing the writers and teams who have build this amazing series from the ground up will not make you feel any less sad. I think we all mourned shepard . My shep loved, lost, battled through 3 games and died with honour saving everything she had fought for most of her adult life. I have started me3 again this time as male shep with no import to do everything differently than i did with femshep (imported), Purely to feed the addiction. But i will take a different routes with the regarding decision & on earth , and doubt i will be dissapointed by it. There is no good way to say goodbye and the guys at Bioware deserve soo much more appreciation. Thank you Bioware xxxxx
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Don't even waste your time replaying the game if seeing what happens in the end matters. It doesn't. Play ME1 and ME2 for differences in story and such. Not ME3.
#17515
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:27
EugeneBi wrote...
Naugi wrote...
missfemshep wrote...
YOU decide what your outcome is, No 2 peoples experiences are the same.
Is this about ending? What game have you been playing? Not ME3, that's for sure...
Haha yeah she was talking about the ending. Apparently it doesnt end the same for all of us regardless of what we did in the 3 games up to that point ... oh no, its aaaaall different ...
Guessing she has been indoctrinated by the Reapers.
#17516
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:31
The fact that you can get the same endings without playing ME1 and ME2 should tell you something. You may have to play ME3 twice, but just sayin'.
I think it's fine if someone liked the endings, but it can't be because they make sense in the context of the ME universe, because they don't even make sense in the context of the ME3 universe alone. I watched a video discussing the endings on G4tv and couldn't believe the one guy actually seemed to defend the endings, but pretended he could not see how they just didn't make sense. He also said that game devs shouldn't make games based upon what buyers want. Ok, that's good for business. I'm not saying that the devs should always cave in to all "demands" from players, but they have to keep it real and follow some creed that has been established within the game. Straying from this would be like Metallica deciding they will all of a sudden do show tunes-it may be what they like, but I don't think their fanbase will buy it.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 01:37 .
#17517
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:45
Needsnewending wrote...
Folks, I see what I perceive to be tremendous amount of uncertainty and negativity and an attitude of wanting things done yesterday going on. I want to reming everyone to be patient, hold the line, and let Bioware come up with this Extended Cut DLC. They are being cryptic as can be on it and even though they are trying to clarify the ending, whatever that all means, they have the WHOLE writing team on the project this time which includes Patrick Weekes. No longer is it only going to Hudson and Mac Walters working alone, it is the whole crew this time. I know that people are saying that BW is not listening, but you know, if they weren't listening, they would not even be doing this much, making clarifying DLC. So we have had an impact on them and on things with Bioware. We just can't give up. We need to keep doing what we can to influence a better ending, a better outcome, something more befitting of Mass Effect. But we can't be doing things like giving up and we certainly can't be acting rude, negative, and being jerks about it all. Respect while holding the line. Remember that. So there's cryptic stuff going on with Jessica Merizan and Michael Gamble and others. Hasn't changed much has it? It could be PR, but it could easily be hints and enticements too. Either way, we need to hold the line and keep pushing for an ending that fits. Plus, would you want to know how it ends, other than the possibility of a happy ending or different endings. Would you want to know exactly how it ends? I understand if you do. But you know what, they might surprise us good. Think about it!!! Look I know it is tough, and I know we are tired and that's okay. It's easy to fight when you're strong. Right now is when it counts, when we don't have anything else but each other. Let's draw on each other for strength, for hope, to keep fighting and pushing forward. We cannot give up. We must keep holding the line. I am hoping and believing that we will end up with more, much more than we are expecting, especially given what we have heard as of late from Patrick Weekes and Jessica Merizan. I know there is skepticism and that's okay. I understand. We were hurt by the ending. It's easy to become cynical and not believe that things can be better. But if we walk around with that attitude, then we won't get anything done, anything changed, anything influenced. Did we impact anything with Bioware and bring about the things we have already pushed for by being cynical? We didn't did we? So let's stop with the cynicism, the negativity and impatience and get back to influencing. Something I have noticed with Jessica Merizan at least is that when people are rude and hateful to her, they are going to get an answer other than what they want. So stop it, thopse who are doing it. I think we need to learn to give a little. Have a little patience and have a little trust. If we did not trust them at all, would we be influencing things to change and would we have gotten this far. I am not saying that we not be watchful, but I am saying we have a little more tact, a little more courtesy and a little more faith. It's okay to be cathartic, but let's not get tasteless. Let's show class and not give anyone reason to write us off as whiners and crybabies. Let's try to establish a common ground with BW where we can have a win-win. Whether online corresponding or personally, let's try and get a win-win going. I havre thought about some of the reasons for threads on the BSN forums being locked and when you think about it, some of them have had quite a bit of venom in them. I know we want to be able to influence and get things changed. I know we are frustrated, but fighting words and bile and trash talk and slamming the staff and everyone is not going to help, let alone get anything done. It will only get us told off, our threads locked, and people banned. So stop it. We've come a long way in a month. Let's not lose that with wrong attitudes and wrong thinking. Let's get our heads back on straight, take time off if need be, and have some more positive thinking and positive attitudes. Good night and hold the line.
you know you have a lot of class and the most mindful person here so far so I do give you props for that but others won't be as generous as you are and many fans aren't happy about being lied to stuff that is suppose to be in the game when it is not and breaking characters or making them do actions they would never do like joker and crew just abandoning when they have never done that before and they have fought by your side thee entire time towards the ending of the game and it makes no sense why they just give you the middle finger then when it is unlike them but yes maybe your right perhaps fans will get everything they were promised and maybe more with this extended dlc so because of your generous post I'll do my best to keep civil but if thee extended doesn't really fix things or doesn't make our choices and whatever decision we personally chose matter you can expect me to be here cursing and yelling again
#17518
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 01:47
#17519
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 02:28
-Hold The Line
-Insane_Ivan
#17520
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 03:08
chemiclord wrote...
Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...
Unfortunaly something great was taken away from us, the fans.
See, this is what I inherently disagree with.
EA can't take what isn't yours to begin with. The fans owned absoutely jack s*** of this IP, narrative, characters, etc. EA screwed themselves over, but ya know what... it was entirely their right to do so. You have every right to not like it, make your displeasure clear, and eventually walk away if you don't feel your concerns were addressed, and you should.
But you have absolutely no right to claim ownership of anything. Because it's not yours, and it never was.
Then please refund my money.
#17521
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 03:24
The reapers themselves look like Cuttlefish-something I just learned from Parabolee's blog. I always wondered why they kept talking about fish. And some fish eat their young. Cuttlefish eat other cuttlefish. Maybe this means the advanced organic life that created or became a part of these reapers were cuttlefish. What the heck it has to do with the story is beyond me.
And trying to make a point that EA and Bioware don't owe fans anything or are making the games they want for themselves is a great argument to make-for companies that don't want fans and their money and could care less about the games making sense to fans or being fun to play. I don't see either of these as being part of mission statements for these 2 companies.
As a fan, you have more than the right to walk away. You do have the right to voice a complaint as well and as often as you wish to do so. As a real fan, you are actually in many ways obligated to express these complaints as well. You are obligated to do so for yourself because of the money and time you spend and obligated to do so in order to inform the game devs as to why you are unhappy. Just walking away tells them nothing except you don't like their games. They do need to know why. If you have liked their games, but don't like something new they've done you owe it to yourself and them to tell them why. Real fans that do complain are fans in the truest sense of the word. It means they have cared about games the company has made and that they hope to continue to care in the future. They give the company a chance to make it right. Not everyone will end up happy, but both sides need to try and do their best to explain why something is so. It's not good enough to just say, "I hated it...b..bye."
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 03:34 .
#17522
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 03:53
I thought ME3 was brilliant in nearly every respect. This is after I found ME2 to be a bit of a let down.
I started with ME1 a few weeks ago, and here I am at the end of an intense journey. There were countless moments in ME3 that were emotionally powerful. BW did a great job of ratcheting up the intensity in the last couple of hours of the game,
As for the ending(s): as much as I wanted to see Shep and Liara living together happily-ever-after, I found the ending to be extremely powerful, emotionally charged, visually stunning, and thoroughly thought-provoking.
There are definitely loose ends and things that don't make sense, but the big picture is beautiful.
Thanks for an incredible experience, BW! I hope you never stop making beautiful, deep, rich games like these. You really got the balance right in ME3, in my opinion, and I'd love to see where you take us next.
P.S. Kudos to Mac Walters, Neil Pollner, and all other writers involved in this project. There was great, insightful dialog throughout, and the overall story was fantastic.
Modifié par Kaelef, 18 avril 2012 - 03:57 .
#17523
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 04:08
3DandBeyond wrote...
bigmass41 wrote...
Again, add a LI scene with shepard depending on the ending that the player choose(destroy), pretty please.
At the very least, please.
Please, please do this.
#17524
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 04:13
In my opinion, the ending felt like a mishmash of other sci-fi endings - partly the Stargate SG-1 fifth season episode The Sentinel in which a caretaker must sacrifice his life to merge with a machine in order to send out a "smart" energy wave which only affects the caretaker's enemies; partly the end of the Babylon 5 Shadow War story arc in which after doing the impossible by forging an galactic alliance Commander Sheridan has to die and be reborn on his way to stopping the remaining elder races from destroying the young races which they've been carefully manipulating over thousands of years to use as weapons for their own ideological conflict; and partly The Matrix Revolutions with its "rebooting" of the endless cycle of organic and synthetic conflict, although it made more sense in the context of The Matrix - that tried to be high-minded but came across as so Deus Ex Machina - literally - that there is a complete disconnect with everything that came before it.
Basically, after all his hard work, Shepard's reward is the unenviable task of giving his life in choosing which of three feces sandwiches the galaxy should be served in place of the one currently being chewed.
I don't know how the Extended Cut will be able to make me feel any differently, but here's hoping.
Modifié par MutoidMan, 18 avril 2012 - 05:31 .
#17525
Posté 18 avril 2012 - 04:32
missfemshep wrote...
No 2 peoples experiences are the same.
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... What game did you play? There are only three endings with the only difference being the colored explosion at the end. Everyone got the exact same ending.




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