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[Thanatos144]

xaurabh123 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

look here thanatos why even have the ability to unite the geth or quarians together if this logic ring true why would the reapers even if the ai didn't create them but control them then wouldn't the reapers rebel like he himself suggested and destroy the plans for the crucible or the catalyst before hand

Oh my. Okay . The Quarians and geth are the first to ever come to a peace. So explain again how the catalyst had failed logic if it has never seen this before?

thats why the catalyst wrong. he couldnot even guess

There is the fist correct point made here....The catalyst was wrong. It isnt infallible. It never could see this happening. It killed trillions and trillions yet in the end it took shepard to show that it was wrong. It wasnt illogical it was just wrong on its conclusion. Depending on how you handle the geth story.

[LiarasShield]

again thanatos you're not hiting the keypoints of why this is wrong

[LiarasShield]

the geth never wanted to fight the quarians and they were attacked by them to start off and they went far away inspace so that they wouldn't have to fight them because they didn't want to fight their creators this logic does not work

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

so again thanatos you really hold no cards to prove that the ais logic made any sense the geth retreated from the quarians because the qurians where having inbattles between wether destroying the geth or saving them the geth only went away so that they wouldn't have to fight with the creators anymore

They kicked the Quarians off their own planet.......Thats not retreat,
They were just not like their creators and didn't try to commit genocide.

The quarians started the war with the geth and because of it most of their planet or cities were destroyed the geth went into deep space so they wouldn't have to fight the creators anymore because they never wanted to fight them did you not do legions side mission during when tali joined on the normandy in mass effect 3?

Didnt you play the part in the game showing how the war started?

[xaurabh123]

Thanatos144 wrote...

xaurabh123 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

look here thanatos why even have the ability to unite the geth or quarians together if this logic ring true why would the reapers even if the ai didn't create them but control them then wouldn't the reapers rebel like he himself suggested and destroy the plans for the crucible or the catalyst before hand

Oh my. Okay . The Quarians and geth are the first to ever come to a peace. So explain again how the catalyst had failed logic if it has never seen this before?

thats why the catalyst wrong. he couldnot even guess

There is the fist correct point made here....The catalyst was wrong. It isnt infallible. It never could see this happening. It killed trillions and trillions yet in the end it took shepard to show that it was wrong. It wasnt illogical it was just wrong on its conclusion. Depending on how you handle the geth story.

So the lives of entire galaxy depends on a wrong calculation of catalyst? Dont make me lough

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Organic war against its creations and the lose. Thats been shown through out the games with the geth.  Straight computation is to save
organics it cant reach a certain advancement. It is cold and to the
point. It is what a machine would do not a organic. That is the logic.
Never said you had to agree with it but it is the logic behind it.

Actually, that is no logic.  Again, many players helped the Geth and Quarians achieve interdependence and begin to put the past in the past for the greater good.  Your super fast, smartbutt computer should be able to adapt to this and see its logic.

If you can assert that it has flawed logic now after asserting that everything makes sense, you are purposely again changing the story.  This indicates the story itself is a patchwork with many holes.  In order to explain away what doesn't fit, you must keep rearranging your explanation to make it fit.

The star kid is a smart computer that is fast but all of a sudden is too slow to understand cooperation of the species as an option.  It is logical but now it's logic doesn't fit it with real logic, which means it's flawed so it's our fault we just don't agree with its illogical logic.  You've been indoctrinated, so why does my brain hurt?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

the geth never wanted to fight the quarians and they were attacked by them to start off and they went far away inspace so that they wouldn't have to fight them because they didn't want to fight their creators this logic does not work

Okay behind the viel is where the qurian home world is. It was the qurians that left not them. The geth just let them leave.

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Organic war against its creations and the lose. Thats been shown through out the games with the geth.  Straight computation is to save
organics it cant reach a certain advancement. It is cold and to the
point. It is what a machine would do not a organic. That is the logic.
Never said you had to agree with it but it is the logic behind it.

Actually, that is no logic.  Again, many players helped the Geth and Quarians achieve interdependence and begin to put the past in the past for the greater good.  You super fast, smartbutt computer should be able to adapt to this and see its logic.

If you can assert that it has flawed logic now after asserting that everything makes sense, you are purposely again changing the story.  This indicates the story itself is a patchwork with many holes.  In order to explain away what doesn't fit, you must keep rearranging your explanation to make it fit.

The star kid is a smart computer that is fast but all of a sudden is too slow to understand cooperation of the species as an option.  It is logical but now it's logic doesn't fit it with real logic, which means it's flawed so it's our fault we just don't agree with its illogical logic.  You've been indoctrinated, so why does my brain hurt?

Circular arguments are driving me nuts......If peace has never been
brokered before with organic and synthetics how is a machine to factor
it in? It is a piece of datum it has never known existed. It is a
machine it doesnt have imagination.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 18 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[LiarasShield]

in either scenario though the geth did not want to fight them the creators started the battle not the created the geth could've killed them all if they wanted they did not do it nor did they want the war so the logic still doesn't work than

[LiarasShield]

you keep trying to support flawed logic from cengesture that deoesn't work....

[improperdancing]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Organic war against its creations and the lose. Thats been shown through out the games with the geth.  Straight computation is to save
organics it cant reach a certain advancement. It is cold and to the
point. It is what a machine would do not a organic. That is the logic.
Never said you had to agree with it but it is the logic behind it.

Actually, that is no logic.  Again, many players helped the Geth and Quarians achieve interdependence and begin to put the past in the past for the greater good.  You super fast, smartbutt computer should be able to adapt to this and see its logic.

If you can assert that it has flawed logic now after asserting that everything makes sense, you are purposely again changing the story.  This indicates the story itself is a patchwork with many holes.  In order to explain away what doesn't fit, you must keep rearranging your explanation to make it fit.

The star kid is a smart computer that is fast but all of a sudden is too slow to understand cooperation of the species as an option.  It is logical but now it's logic doesn't fit it with real logic, which means it's flawed so it's our fault we just don't agree with its illogical logic.  You've been indoctrinated, so why does my brain hurt?

Circular arguments are driving me nuts......If peace has never been
brokered before with organic and synthetics how is a machine to factor
it in? It is a piece of datum it has never known existed. It is a
machine it doesnt have imagination.

I would counter this by saying that, for the Reapers to be absolutely sure that synthetics would wipe out organics entirely if left unchecked, it would have to have happened before.  Otherwise, it would mean the Reapers were committing countless genocides based on an assumption of how things might happen.  And if it had happened before, there wouldn't have been anyone left alive to build the Reapers (or build whoever built the Reapers).

Basically, the logic behind the ending is absolutely awful.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

in either scenario though the geth did not want to fight them the creators started the battle not the created the geth could've killed them all if they wanted they did not do it nor did they want the war so the logic still doesn't work than

No they didnt. The geth are not the reapers. I think the reason the peace was able to be brokerd at all is because the geth were not like them. I personally think the geth were better than the reapers just not as powerful.

[3DandBeyond]

So, Thanatos144 what we can conclude from all this is that in essence you do agree, that ultimately the choices are illogical because they are based upon the flawed logic of a very flawed slow or fast learning, smart but dumb VI star kid from space magic mountain. You and we are to accept that Shepard would not see this all as nonsense and would just trudge on to impose a fate designed by a freakishly flawed demigod machine upon an unsuspecting mass of beings.

And Shepard is just all super happy to oblige, no matter the consequences. S/he doesn't even get to say any renegade like things such as, "what kind of freaking stupid choices are these?" Players on tv game shows mull over their decisions out loud way more than Shepard does.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[Thanatos144]

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Organic war against its creations and the lose. Thats been shown through out the games with the geth.  Straight computation is to save
organics it cant reach a certain advancement. It is cold and to the
point. It is what a machine would do not a organic. That is the logic.
Never said you had to agree with it but it is the logic behind it.

Actually, that is no logic.  Again, many players helped the Geth and Quarians achieve interdependence and begin to put the past in the past for the greater good.  You super fast, smartbutt computer should be able to adapt to this and see its logic.

If you can assert that it has flawed logic now after asserting that everything makes sense, you are purposely again changing the story.  This indicates the story itself is a patchwork with many holes.  In order to explain away what doesn't fit, you must keep rearranging your explanation to make it fit.

The star kid is a smart computer that is fast but all of a sudden is too slow to understand cooperation of the species as an option.  It is logical but now it's logic doesn't fit it with real logic, which means it's flawed so it's our fault we just don't agree with its illogical logic.  You've been indoctrinated, so why does my brain hurt?

Circular arguments are driving me nuts......If peace has never been
brokered before with organic and synthetics how is a machine to factor
it in? It is a piece of datum it has never known existed. It is a
machine it doesnt have imagination.

I would counter this by saying that, for the Reapers to be absolutely sure that synthetics would wipe out organics entirely if left unchecked, it would have to have happened before.  Otherwise, it would mean the Reapers were committing countless genocides based on an assumption of how things might happen.  And if it had happened before, there wouldn't have been anyone left alive to build the Reapers (or build whoever built the Reapers).

Basically, the logic behind the ending is absolutely awful.

That may be true. ...I mean in the end the bad guys were wrong. Something we all knew from the start. The reapers are like something Hitler would have made if given the chance. They thought they were doing something noble but in the end they were just doing evil.

[LiarasShield]

still thanatos the created don't always rebel against their creators nor do they allow their creators to retreat and not destroy them letting alone work together with them to help rebuild their world after the quarians finally come to a understanding with them

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

So, Thanatos144 what we can conclude from all this is that in essence you do agree, that ultimately the choices are illogical because they are based upon the flawed logic of a very flawed slow or fast learning, smart but dumb VI star kid from space magic mountain. You and we are to accept that Shepard would not see this all as nonsense and would just trudge on to impose a fate designed by a freakishly flawed demigod machine upon an unsuspecting mass of beings.

And Shepard is just all super happy to oblige, no matter the consequences. S/he doesn't even get to say any renegade like things such as, "what kind of freaking stupid choices are these?" Players on tv game shows mull over their decisions out loud way more than Shepard does.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

The logic is sound the conclusion was flawed. They knew the proplem they just used a messed up solution.

[LiarasShield]

reapers just use this giant assumption logic to keep commiting mass genocide every 50 thousand years just like other players who loved the ending keep making giant assumptions how everybody who doesn't like it is because it is sad and again than you fall into the same category isn't this funny

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

still thanatos the created don't always rebel against their creators nor do they allow their creators to retreat and not destroy them letting alone work together with them to help rebuild their world after the quarians finally come to a understanding with them

LOL Okay again....this is the first time ever that this didnt happen. It was somthing new.

[MtOMajorCat0311]

It is easy to get lost in the details of this vast universe, and I had almost forgotten the startling difference in the level and depth of story you see between ME1 and the current offering. ME3 is a very good game, OK, but frankly, all it does for me (given the current ending scenarios) is add a bit more depth to the already amazing story of ME1. I put ME3 back in the box and stuck it in on the shelf. Then I created a new ME1 character from scratch and dove headfirst into the deep end. Very satisfying and somewhat cathartic and ME3 can't help but pale in comparison, IMO. Therapy for all those suffering from the last 10 min of ME3.

[LiarasShield]

the crew wouldn't abandon shepard and explaining the reapers logic with logic that most likely won't apply to them because it doesnt apply to the geth and like I have mentioned earlyer if this advanced ai controlls the reapers they would've rebeled against him and have destroyed the plans for the crucible or the citadel its self

[darkway1]

.........so how does this all work with the Green option.....what stops new synthetics from evolving???

[FirstOfTheFallen]

Here are the problems I have with the 'ending'.  *note: my Shep is FemShep; ergo, I will refer to Shep as 'her'*

1 - Shepard dies.  Yeah, I said it.  Shepard might sacrifice herself to save the galaxy.  But I can think of three instances where she wouldn't: A , to become the Reaper Overlord; B, to kill all synthetic life including EDI and the Geth; and C, forcing all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy to be combined.

2 - There's a ginormous battle in Earth orbit.  Why the **** is the Normandy in the Charon relay corridor?

3 - And why is your crew -- who were shown to all be down on Earth with you -- on the Normandy?

4 - The Little Bastard(the Catalyst) destroys the Relay network...out of spite?  Because he's mad his little plan isn't going to work anymore?

5 - And lastly, this one really doesn't have anything to do with the ending, but: Buzz Aldrin.  Legitimate national and world hero, incredibly brave, immensely important to our history of space exploration...and the man can't act to save his life.

[improperdancing]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

still thanatos the created don't always rebel against their creators nor do they allow their creators to retreat and not destroy them letting alone work together with them to help rebuild their world after the quarians finally come to a understanding with them

LOL Okay again....this is the first time ever that this didnt happen. It was somthing new.

Obviously it's not the first time that it didn't happen.  The Reapers themselves are synthetics, and if the Catalyst was indeed their creator, they obviously haven't rebelled against him.  They're still carrying out the function he designed them to carry out.

[LiarasShield]

again than stop trying to insult my intelligence since i am major nerd like yourself lol

[improperdancing]

darkway1 wrote...

.........so how does this all work with the Green option.....what stops new synthetics from evolving???

Space magic, bro.  Don't question it.  It's art.  And art, as we all know, can not be critiqued or questioned by the peons.