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[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Circular arguments are driving me nuts......If peace has never been
brokered before with organic and synthetics how is a machine to factor
it in? It is a piece of datum it has never known existed. It is a
machine it doesnt have imagination.

Because peace was brokered before Shepard came into contact with the starkid.  You stated in other posts that people here should understand the starkid's creation of the 3 choices (based upon Shepard getting to the catalyst) because computers are fast.  It in your opinion created these options once Shepard got to the catalyst so it had to have done so quickly.

Why then wouldn't it have been able to see another way?  By your own words, it's fast-thinking.  The geth and Quarian peace and interdependence had been achieved prior to the final assault on Earth, much earlier on than the starkid's creation of the 3 choices as it's attempt to find another way-to rewrite it's destroy organics only option.  I chose the Geth/Quarian peace.  In fact, in some ways since it utilized reaper tech for the upgrades, which also killed Legion, it should have been even more obvious to the starkid.  How was it an option using reaper tech, if it was something that was never even conceived of by the starkid?  And why didn't the starkid have time to adapt to it?  Super fast computer should have seen how Legion used his own tech to create an interdependency between Geths and Quarians.  It should have caused a rewrite.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[darkway1]

improperdancing wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

.........so how does this all work with the Green option.....what stops new synthetics from evolving???

Space magic, bro.  Don't question it.  It's art.  And art, as we all know, can not be critiqued or questioned by the peons.

............hhhhhmmmmm......I see.....lol.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

reapers just use this giant assumption logic to keep commiting mass genocide every 50 thousand years just like other players who loved the ending keep making giant assumptions how everybody who doesn't like it is because it is sad and again than you fall into the same category isn't this funny

And yet here we are that even after Bioware said they would make a extended cut helping make closure there are still tons sayng they hate something they have never seen. They want to have people change thier hard work cause it didnt reach their expectations of it.  If this was a movie you would just never watch it again. Instead we get to read tomns of text about people who demand action then cry when it isnt the action they expected.

[LiarasShield]

so much vocal battle man I tell I feel almost worn out lol

[Thanatos144]

Okay all I have to go clean my bathroom............Aren't you all happy you don't get days off like me?

[LiarasShield]

still alot of us hate the ending because it is flawed and makes no sense thanatos not because it is sad again I wouldn't have cared if the normandy got destroyed or stranded like the other fleets I wouldn't have cared if shepard made one of these 3 choices if he or she wanted to make them without them being forced upon and still stick to being the hero that he or she has always been everyone would've remained in character and still give a beautiful yet bittersweet ending

[LiarasShield]

some where my logical words should be able to reach you thanatos

[LiarasShield]

even if I have to bash open the crevice with a hammer lol

[xaurabh123]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

reapers just use this giant assumption logic to keep commiting mass genocide every 50 thousand years just like other players who loved the ending keep making giant assumptions how everybody who doesn't like it is because it is sad and again than you fall into the same category isn't this funny

And yet here we are that even after Bioware said they would make a extended cut helping make closure there are still tons sayng they hate something they have never seen. They want to have people change thier hard work cause it didnt reach their expectations of it.  If this was a movie you would just never watch it again. Instead we get to read tomns of text about people who demand action then cry when it isnt the action they expected.

The extended cut is way to accept their poor ending. If it were so good why they even need to explain it? No explanation can make a dead thing alive.  And well ,games are NOT movies. Thought you knew it after all those talks

[Thanatos144]

xaurabh123 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

reapers just use this giant assumption logic to keep commiting mass genocide every 50 thousand years just like other players who loved the ending keep making giant assumptions how everybody who doesn't like it is because it is sad and again than you fall into the same category isn't this funny

And yet here we are that even after Bioware said they would make a extended cut helping make closure there are still tons sayng they hate something they have never seen. They want to have people change thier hard work cause it didnt reach their expectations of it.  If this was a movie you would just never watch it again. Instead we get to read tomns of text about people who demand action then cry when it isnt the action they expected.

The extended cut is way to accept their poor ending. If it were so good why they even need to explain it? No explanation can make a dead thing alive.  And well ,games are NOT movies. Thought you knew it after all those talks

It is there way of trying to apease the rage minority. They dont have to do it.

[Thanatos144]

okay back to cleaning

[LiarasShield]

again thanatos some of the fans that hate the ending isn't because it is sad it is becaused it is flawed and doesn't make much sense without fan speculation to try to decypher and try to make sense out of it and I honestly don't think were a minority since all the polls wouldn't read in the high 80s or 90 if we were the minority

[LiarasShield]

nor would their be hundreds of paiges of logical battles and senseless rage comments if we were the minority

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

reapers just use this giant assumption logic to keep commiting mass genocide every 50 thousand years just like other players who loved the ending keep making giant assumptions how everybody who doesn't like it is because it is sad and again than you fall into the same category isn't this funny

And yet here we are that even after Bioware said they would make a extended cut helping make closure there are still tons sayng they hate something they have never seen. They want to have people change thier hard work cause it didnt reach their expectations of it.  If this was a movie you would just never watch it again. Instead we get to read tomns of text about people who demand action then cry when it isnt the action they expected.

It's because they stated the EC would have cutscenes to explain things and many don't feel the flaws and plotholes can have satisfactory explanations.  They also basically said, though not in so many words, that what they created was art and they are sorry that a lot of fans just don't understand it.  This seems insulting.  I don't think it was meant to be so, but when you start to tell people they don't understand something, it indicates ignorance.  Fans do "understand" the endings.  They don't like them, for all the really good reasons stated all over the web.  Fans have gone to great lengths to explain what is wrong with them and cutscenes won't cut it, so to speak.  As they've explained it in announcing what they are working on, it seems at face value to dismiss what folks are saying as just something that falls under the category of untouchable artistic vision.  As an artist that finds it hard to accept criticism, I do understand this, if in truth it was some artistic vision.  But, it's so hard to comprehend what that vision was when given linear choices that don't follow the ME storyline or the previous character interaction.  It just plain lost its way. 

And we want to be patient, we want to love this game-all of it.  We want to know they really do get us, because we have played the games and the ending and we understand it even though it makes little sense.  But, in the vaccuum of space silence, we don't feel that connection to Bioware/EA that builds trust and lets us know they really are listening and care what we think.  Summer is a long way off for us to finish a game (and hopefully rekindle a love for) that we thought might be fully finished already. 

For the record, I have a life.  A full one.  I can multi-task and IRL deal with what I must deal with and still comment on a game series I don't want to have come to an end.  But, knowing that it must, I think I do deserve to give it a better send off.  Yes, I said deserve.  When I pay money I do deserve something for it.  I deserve to get my money's worth.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[LiarasShield]

again the created don't repel against their creators because the reapers that were created or controled by the advanced ai still serve the advanced ai with the functions that they were given they haven't rebeled against him or destroyed to crucible or aka citadel the geth didn't destroy the quarians nor did they want the war with them and even help them rebuild their world after the reaper control was broken and the reaper upgrade so no this logic doesn't work and yes shepard , joker and crew broke their characters cause like I have mentioned shepard would never give up without fighting back and looking for another way and even still making the heroic sacrificed wouldn't be a brainless zombie just doing whatever thee advanced ai said and like i have mentioned joker and the rest of the crew have always standed by shepards side even in situations that were gonna turn bad or didn't seem like they would be ble to make it yet joker and crew still stayed around to pick shepard up from the collector base still stood together to fight soverign again if the normandy was destroyed or stranded in space I would have no problem because the crew would've remained in character and it would still be a bitter sweet ending

[EugeneBi]

Protesters are banned from BSN:

http://www.ibtimes.c...n-forum-ban.htm

I see only two possible reasons:

Unlikely one: they are stupid
The one I believe: they do not need us anymore, BioWare has changed and replaces its fanbase, alienating old crowd is OK.

[LiarasShield]

I really don't think I should have to repeat my self a million times for some logical people to understand it espically if they love science fiction like a lot of us do

[LiarasShield]

I'm tired of other fans just out right of their ass saying that we only hate the endings because they are sad when that is not the ****ing case

[Kaelef]

BW can explain a lot of stuff by filling in what was going on between when Shep passed out at the Crucible's control panel and when he finally made his decision between blue/green/red at the very end. We don't know how much time passed there from the perspective of everyone outside the Citadel.

That said, they can't fix some of the more fundamental problems with the ending - the main one being the obviously incomplete/illogical options Shep is left to choose from. Not without a major re-do, which I doubt they'll go for. But I'll keep my fingers crossed...

MY BEEF:
Besides the weak/nonsensical argument for wiping out all advanced civilizations every 50K years, what is the reasoning for killing everyone in such a *traumatizing* way? If the salarians could keep the krogans under control with a bit of bioengineering, surely the super-advanced Catalyst could do something similar? Why create zombie-sapients and giant, killer machines in the image of a satanic version of the creatures you're trying to kill?

There are at least a couple of points in the series were characters point out that the Reapers are waging a *psychological* war. It sure doesn't sound like they're just trying to do what's best for the galaxy.

[LiarasShield]

Me: damn bosh'tat can't understand I hate the ending because it makes no sense

Liara: by the goddess I thought you only hated the ending because you can't live and have those kids with me shepard

Me: well I am somewhat disappointed about that but if I have to die then i want you and the crew to remain loyal to me and for my heroic sacrifice to make sense so here I go destroys the red machine and gets caught up in the explosion

* normandy stranded inspace while staying to fight the reapers with the fleets as the relays get destroyed and the ship gets damaged by the shockwave*

*Reapers on earth get destroyed by the red blast as it destroys every relay in the galaxy*

Me: Some how survives the explosion from the citadel and earths reentry while body remains intact takes one final breath and then fades to black

Modifié par LiarasShield, 18 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[LiarasShield]

and that still would have been a great ending omg and it can still be bittersweet if i still die on earth and the normandy is stranded in space omg such hard process to still make a bitter sweet ending that can still make sense or leave it up to the players interpertation

[LiarasShield]

I know so diffcult right

[VA_FyreHeart]

To answer the original question - Favorite moments:
1) The cliff scene w/Tali on Rannoch
2) TIM admitting he was wrong and shooting himself

Re: The Extended Cut - Bioware's stating that they will NOT be changing the endings does send up some red flags for me, but the question remains "What are they not changing?"

If they're not changing the choices: (control, synergy, destruction), I have no problem with that, so long as the implications of those choices play out logically and the plot holes are closed.

On the other hand, if the Extended Cut just means the same nonsensical scene of Joker abandoning the fight (and how in the blazes did he get to the Charon Relay in time?) extended to include them setting up camp and shooting bottle rockets into orbit, yes, I'm going to be just as disappointed.

Considering Bioware nailed it for 2.9 games, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the Extended Cut will fix things unless/until they prove otherwise.

[LiarasShield]

see how simple this is.....

[noivoieidoi]

Archonsg wrote...

That might work actually. Kudos. 
Still, causing a singularity event within the Relay should cause first an implosion followed by release of energy. So we should see the Relay FIRST colapse upon themselves THEN explode outwards. 
That didn't happen unfortuately. 

You are crediting me with too much originality, when in fact I’ve just tried to find an explanation for what’s shown in game:

 01:55 and 02:15
(The deflation is obvious at the first point – just to know what to look for later. At the second point it is barely observable; this is consistent with a very short lived black hole)

Don't know how that can be pulled off but at least its a possibility

....Then I’ve tried to think it through. The mass relays accelerate huge amounts of matter beyond the light’s speed. This is possible only if we pass the matter through a reversed boson field (or whatever is supposed to get rid of mass). A tiny misalignment with this field may lead to a disastrous mass collision effect (singularity event) instead of opening a controlled mass-free tunnel. That’s what damages the relay (its quantum shields generators) and subsequently leads to explosion, when the black hole is gone. No math, but this is science-fiction, not science, right?

You'd still have the problem of plunging the Galaxy into a communication and travel blackout

Nope. I don’t travel much

and in theory still have that shockwave with still enough power to down most almost every space worthy fleet equal or less in Mass to the Normandy but hey, they all die a few months later instead of being instantly vaporised.

Might be. Not necessarily. It also depends on the nature of the explosion. The shockwave or thermal wave radius and strength could be of no significance compared to the EMP. However, much reduced compared to the equivalent explosion in atmosphere (1/3 for a nuclear explosion in space). Some ships like Normandy, equiped with kinetic and EM shields (ME2) might survive. The same sequence above shows the red beam from the Citadel pushing some debris and possibly some ships caught in the blast towards the next relay. That's before any explosion occured. Could explain how Normandy ends up on some planet. Speaking of which - I saw some people were concerned with the members of the crew shown in video. This may happen too. Could be hours between the moment Shepard passed out and the one he/she came to. Enough time for Normandy to pick up for whatever reason one or more of Shepard's squad mates on ground in London.

Modifié par noivoieidoi, 18 avril 2012 - 04:36 .