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[LiarasShield]

if the normandy stayed with the fleet and got destroyed or stranded in the sol system then I would have been fine with that if the star child didn't exist or try to explain the reapers motives with flawed logic to force shepard into these decisions when he or she can  make them willingly without him and still have a heroic sacrifice while still having a bitter sweet ending that makes sense

Modifié par LiarasShield, 19 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[joshynoob]

Chris Priestly wrote...

we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game 

I call BS on this, its been long enough and since you have already stated that not much (if not anything) is changing in the 'clarification' DLC I'd like to see some of these questions addressed for once.

[Paladin1337]

"To put it simply, you eat cookies made from your own recipe and I will kill you so you don't die from eating the cookies.  Furthermore, if you eat the cookies I left laying around for no real reason, I will kill you so you don't die from eating the cookies.  And, you have no choice in the matter because ultimately you will eat the cookies."--3DandBeyond



I love this quote, 3DandBeyond!  YOU WILL EAT THE COOKIES!

I'm hungry now...I think I have some Oreo cookies in the kitchen....AAAAARRRRGH!  A reaper showed up and turned me to biosludge in a tube like thing!   At least it was a double stuff and was worth it!

Modifié par Paladin1337, 19 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[trololol123]

Hello

I just finished my Mass effect 1, Mass effect 2 and Mass effect 3.

I know it been said allot, and i know its probly beating a dead horse but i must say it, my damn honor demands it.

This was the ----->most ****ty short ending i ever experienced in my entire life in gaming<----- it made me want to throw the damn game out the window, and i rather shoot myself in the foot before i replay this crap.

It was nothing good about it, NOTHING.
The Moderator jokingly says "what did you like the most"

Its like asking a customer at a fine diner

Waiter: Well in all fairness , what did you like about the food before you found the dead fetus in the soup.

I wont be rude, but what the fudge where you thinking about???

what happened? Romance ? War Assets ? Aftershock? Geth ?  i got freeking 6000 and even played your crappy multiplayer, i figured it should mean something.

No this was utter and complete crap, and i hope the person that said

"yeah the 3 min cutscene and the old guy talking with the kid will do it"

Will get his ass fired and escorted out the damn window!

I feel like somebody just raped my favorite franchise.. nice going bioware... you invited some dragon age 2 people to **** this game up too? well at least just the ending... that counts for something

[dmcdeavi]

SurfyBridge wrote...

 I do not want to see Bioware's endings for my Shepherd as if I did, I honestly don't think I would ever want to play ME1, 2 or 3 ever again.

wish i had done that. 
i cannot bring myself to care to play any of them again, which is quite disappointing. 

[3DandBeyond]

dmcdeavi wrote...

SurfyBridge wrote...

 I do not want to see Bioware's endings for my Shepherd as if I did, I honestly don't think I would ever want to play ME1, 2 or 3 ever again.

wish i had done that. 
i cannot bring myself to care to play any of them again, which is quite disappointing. 

Exactly.  It's like someone socked you in the gut.  I want to want to play them again.  I even tried starting ME3 again and just am not able to play it.  I do play the multiplayer, but I wonder why.

[noivoieidoi]

AmstradHero wrote...
[page 711]

Let me try again:
1.       Cultural groups of people are open systems, which exchange ideas with other groups, and their tastes, preferences, paradigms change, in time. The way the results of your work are perceived suggests rules, which dynamically change according to the newly acquired tastes. Invoking a rule (‘should never introduce a new character right before the ending’) to demonstrate that a result is objectively bad to a group of people who liked it is futile. As shown above, those rules are just tools, not criteria. People simply don’t care about them, the same way I don’t care that the company didn’t follow the specifications in your book to produce my favourite ice cream. I like it, regardless my knowledge or agreement with the temperature or humidity recommended for that production process. Experience suggested them, but now, for one reason or another, they don’t apply. All that matter for me is that I like the result. The company doesn’t care either, as long as their product sells well. You say others disobeyed the rules and failed. Maybe they didn’t disobey the same way, or maybe the time wasn’t right – the people didn’t like the product at that time. So what? It worked now, it’s a fact, whether according to your book should or should not have happened. The product may not have the same success on the international market, or in ten years from now – but again – so what? Here and now these are the facts, and you can’t deny them based on theories, but you adapt the theories according to the facts. Of course, you may wait one year, or one hundred and see what happens – there’s something called ‘the test of time’. It may prove you right or wrong, eventually, based on tastes’ stability in time. If you are right, then they’ll call you a visionary. However, right now the data say you are wrong:
http://www.eurogamer...-mass-effect-2s
http://www.metacriti...s?dist=positive
About 4-5% buyers (80,000-100,000 signatures on various petitions, roughly 2 million copies sold) found the infamous endings extremely bad. It’s reasonable to believe that there are a lot more, who simply didn’t bother to take any action. However, this is the data, and this is what shapes the world.

Did you get the relevance of the social considerations now? If it comforts you in any way, as an enthusiastic moviegoer who rarely finds a good movie according to his taste, I sympathize with your cause; I really honestly feel your pain. Saw here comparisons with Star Wars, Independence Day, Star Trek and other atrocious products that sell well, but laughable at best according to my criteria.

Actually, no, at a second taught I don’t care about your feelings – see for yourself what true pain is!
 
2.       I don’t know where you saw that - I never said I wanted the Catalyst to lie about being the rebel and son of the Reapers. Please, read again (page 693). I’ve shown you the evidence supporting this theory, whether it was just unintentional conflicting data, or the intention of the writers. Either way, these are the facts, not my wish. My conclusion: if the theory is right, then the Catalyst-Citadel is a very interesting character, the unsung and tragic hero of the galaxy. I suspected its existence from the beginning (like everybody, I’m sure), but its identity was the great revelation and it came at the right time and in the right shape. I can understand the difference between thunders and lightning; the true power behind the child’s voice works better for me than the Sovereign’s cartoonish alpha-male voice. I’m sorry to hear the timing sucked for you. Have a candy. On the other hand, there is no evidence showing the Catalyst as the creator of the Reapers, although you seem to believe that. The second conclusion (epiphany, in fact): We are the undisputed master of understanding the Mass Effect series, shouldn't you be more polite when talking to Us? Neah, forget about it...

[petroxg]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dmcdeavi wrote...

SurfyBridge wrote...

 I do not want to see Bioware's endings for my Shepherd as if I did, I honestly don't think I would ever want to play ME1, 2 or 3 ever again.

wish i had done that. 
i cannot bring myself to care to play any of them again, which is quite disappointing. 

Exactly.  It's like someone socked you in the gut.  I want to want to play them again.  I even tried starting ME3 again and just am not able to play it.  I do play the multiplayer, but I wonder why.

1st time I beat ME3, I feel like crap and depressed after seeing the ending.  2nd time I tried to tell myself really hard not to let the ending get to me and have fun with the rest of the game...I did had fun up until the ending for the 2nd time...no matter how hard I tried to be "don't care" about the ending...guess what...it still get to me and I feel like crap and depressed again.  After that...I only play up to b4 the ending and start playing MP a whole lot more now.  Just like u said..wonder why...lol!  I have to say this game is the best game ever and at the same time the worst #1 most depressing game ever.  I have played dozens and dozens of games over the pass10+ years, I have never ever gotten depress in my life over playing a video game. I mean afterall it is just a game right?  I guess ME3 manage to prove me wrong on that, and that is not a complement.  So if u r still listerning bioware, adding additional cutscene to further closure to the current ending won't change a thing to any fan complaining about the ending, only adding additional alternate ending with possible happy ending will. 

The way I see it, Possible happy alternate ending = happy fans & ME3 team that created this game get complements win/win for both party.

Not changing a thing about the enindg = still unhappy fans and ME3 team that will constantly getting slander over the internet and bioware getting curse at.  Internet is a place of free speech, u can't stop it from happening...in other words lose/lose for both party.  Now why would want that to happen?  It is beyond my comprehension.

Please for the good of everyone, put everybody out of misery and do what ppl and fans are asking.

[Elizabeth Lestrad]

As much as I want to get my hopes up, I can't justify it. I'ts hard to take a comment like "Yes we're listening" when they are not listening in the slightest "We're not changing anything...yadda yadda...artistic integrity...yadda...yadda"

That said, in a way I do have to thank them for the lousy ending. If they really dont give a REAL "happy" ending where the Reapers are trounced, Shepard lives, and the universe isnt completely slapped in the face for it, then they saved me a huge amount of time having to go back and make more character variants, because the effort would be meaningless. Thus because the games no longer having any meaning, I can now throw all three in the garbage knowing I'll never touch it again thanks to the bad ending, and that in turn will allow me space for three new games that do have a solid heroic ending.

[dmcdeavi]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dmcdeavi wrote...

SurfyBridge wrote...

 I do not want to see Bioware's endings for my Shepherd as if I did, I honestly don't think I would ever want to play ME1, 2 or 3 ever again.

wish i had done that. 
i cannot bring myself to care to play any of them again, which is quite disappointing. 

Exactly.  It's like someone socked you in the gut.  I want to want to play them again.  I even tried starting ME3 again and just am not able to play it.  I do play the multiplayer, but I wonder why.

the fight is in a time loop...and it is fun.  thankfully.  small consulation though.

[AmstradHero]

noivoieidoi wrote...
A whole lot of irrelevant guff...

http://www.eurogamer...-mass-effect-2s
http://www.metacriti...s?dist=positive
About 4-5% buyers (80,000-100,000 signatures on various petitions, roughly 2 million copies sold) found the infamous endings extremely bad. It’s reasonable to believe that there are a lot more, who simply didn’t bother to take any action. However, this is the data, and this is what shapes the world.

Did you get the relevance of the social considerations now? If it comforts you in any way, as an enthusiastic moviegoer who rarely finds a good movie according to his taste, I sympathize with your cause; I really honestly feel your pain. Saw here comparisons with Star Wars, Independence Day, Star Trek and other atrocious products that sell well, but laughable at best according to my criteria.

Once again, social considerations don't affect the validity of literary criticism. The two are very different. I can't make this concept any simpler for you.

Furthermore, positive reviews don't undermine the validity of complaints against the ending. For one, critic reviews tend not to focus on the game's ending, particularly for story based games. To do causes potential problems for the playability of the game for people reading the reviews, and it's very difficult to discuss details of why the ending is bad without spoiling it. This is not something that can be done for release day or pre-release reviews. You'll note that very few critic reviews comment on the ending, and those that do make vague assertions like "not everyone will like it" or "it will cause much discussion."

Secondly, reviews (particularly "professional" reviews) should focus on the game as a whole. They shouldn't focus exclusively on the ending. If a review site rated the game 1/10 simply because of the ending, then that review site isn't worth a damn. They should and must focus on their content of the game throughout its entire length rather than simply the last 10 minutes. Personally, if I was forced to give the game a rating of 10, it'd still be a 9 or a 10. However, that doesn't mean that the ending doesn't suck, and that the ending doesn't fit with the rest of the game or the series. High metacritic scores do not mean that the ending isn't awful. I would give the game a high score in spite of the ending, not because of it.

4-5% of purchasers taking the futile and largely symbolic action of signing an online petition is colossal. There are many and varied causes why people wouldn't do this: the ability or willingness for people to find "the definitive" petition or cause, not to mention the apathy involved in signing up to participate in something like that, combined with thoughts of general futility "well, they're not going to change it anyway",etc, etc. All of these factors will result in a massive drop of people willing to join up and/or spread them around. I know that personally I've voted in a few polls, but I don't know which petition/cause to sign up to in order to best make my voice heard. Despite all these factors, we're still seeing at least 4-5% of people actively complaining and protesting about the ending.

4-5% of purchasers actively complaining and attempting to get a change to the ending is huge. It's an unprecedented event in gaming history. To say it is insignificant is to overlook and ignore the very social considerations you're espousing as important.

noivoieidoi wrote...
2.       I don’t know where you saw that - I never said I wanted the Catalyst to lie about being the rebel and son of the Reapers. Please, read again (page 693). I’ve shown you the evidence supporting this theory, whether it was just unintentional conflicting data, or the intention of the writers.

Right here:

noivoieidoi wrote...

Sovereign says something along the lines:
‘you [organic species] just use the mass relays and the Citadel; they’ve been built by our kind’.
Then the Catalyst says:
- 'the Citadel is my home' and 'it's part of me' 
- ‘the created will always rebel against the creators’ and ‘I control the Reapers; they are my solution’. 
If any creator-created relationship exists between the Reapers and the Catalyst, then the Catalyst is the created. So, if ‘our kind’ means ‘the Reapers’ exactly, that would make the Catalyst the rebel and a very interesting character.

The Catalyst says the Reapers are its solution, but you're saying you want it to be the other way around. Either way, one of them is lying. You're saying The Catalyst is a very interesting character if it's lying. Maybe this isn't what you intended to say, but it's what you said.

noivoieidoi wrote...
On the other hand, there is no evidence showing the Catalyst as the creator of the Reapers, although you seem to believe that.

You mean no evidence apart from the fact that the Catalyst EXPLICITLY states it?
"They [the Reapers] are my solution". 
It doesn't get any more black and white than that. If they're its solution and the fact that it/"we" created the cycle means that it either created the reapers, or it is part of them. Conversely, there is no evidence to support the idea that the Reapers created the Catalyst.

If you're willing to disbelieve things that are directly stated as truths to the player, then we may as well throw the whole ending out entirely.

noivoieidoi wrote...
I suspected its existence from the beginning (like everybody, I’m sure), but its identity was the great revelation and it came at the right time and in the right shape.

No, I didn't expect the game to end with a stupid and illogical deus ex machina, and this revelation was an unmitigated disaster.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 19 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[luci90]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dmcdeavi wrote...

SurfyBridge wrote...

 I do not want to see Bioware's endings for my Shepherd as if I did, I honestly don't think I would ever want to play ME1, 2 or 3 ever again.

wish i had done that. 

i cannot bring myself to care to play any of them again, which is quite disappointing. 

Exactly.  It's like someone socked you in the gut.  I want to want to play them again.  I even tried starting ME3 again and just am not able to play it.  I do play the multiplayer, but I wonder why.

I was like that after I finished as well.

Hell, I didn't want to play any game after that, but I made myself play through portal 2 and arkham city.

Purged those feelings right of me.

Sure, mass effect may be damaged goods now, but I didn't let it ruin gaming for me.

Modifié par luci90, 19 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[Dragon41]

Why you don't want to add new endings? If it is matter of money, then I would pay $20 or even $50 to get new endings. And I do not think that I am the only one who will pay.

Why there is no really unhappy ending? Like reapers win, cycle continues? You did it in Mass Effect 2, Shepard died. If you afraid that future story would be destroyed by that, but it would not. You already did it in ME 2 and it did not destroyed ME 3.

Why there is no happy ending and why you don't want to do it? People want it and I want it. It could not be matter of principles, because you already broke your principles. You was creating possibilities everywhere whole ME 1, ME 2 and half of ME 3. You did not want to shrink choses people have. But all of the sudden, you broke your promises not even to us, but to yourself. You did not make any possibilities, you shrink everything to "3 equal" choses. 

You are saying that you are creating the art and you can choose any end you want. Like movie you saw and it is you problem if you like it or not. But you was not creating ONE movie, you was creating THOUSANDS of different movies, thousands different decisions and scenario. The question is how THOUSANDS of movies can ends similar. They can not, that's why I do not like the end. You was doing that you believe is right for almost 3 game. You was making the undying story, story of choice, story of life, which could be written thousands different times. But you betrayed your story. You destroyed possibilities and make it to be just average movie, which everybody will forget.

Again, if it's matter of money. People will pay and I will. 

Modifié par Dragon41, 19 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[RobinEJ]

Damn. Double post.

Modifié par RobinEJ, 19 avril 2012 - 09:38 .

[T.Attwood]

AmstradHero wrote...

noivoieidoi wrote...
About 4-5% buyers (80,000-100,000 signatures on various petitions, roughly 2 million copies sold) found the infamous endings extremely bad. It’s reasonable to believe that there are a lot more, who simply didn’t bother to take any action. However, this is the data, and this is what shapes the world.

4-5% of purchasers actively complaining and attempting to get a change to the ending is huge. It's an unprecedented event in gaming history. To say it is insignificant is to overlook and ignore the very social considerations you're espousing as important.

Adding to AmstradHero's argument, and noivoieidoi claim that "only 4-5% of buyers found the infamous endings extremely bad", you also need to consider the ease of access of being able to get one's voice heard. An easy way to report on the purchases of products is through online shopping sites. Please take a look on Amazon.com and search for "mass effect 3" in videogames, and see the results of customer reviews. You will see (at the time of writing) the following scores
5 Star: 227
4 Star: 111
3 Star: 91
2 Star: 181
1 Star: 525
Reading many of the reviews, you will see that a lot of them really enjoyed the game, but felt it was let down by the ending. This is considerably more than the 4-5% mentioned. When noivoieidoi, says  "this is the data, and this is what shapes the world.", well, there is some important data right there on Amazon.

In general, ME3 has been a brilliant experience, which is why so many players love it. The stories are well thought out, the characters are incredibly well developed, to the point where the player actually cares about them (which is why there has been such a strong public reaction). I think this is why when all of this is overturned by 10 minutes of inconsistent story-telling, there are so many complaints. We know Bioware are great at doing games like this, which is why players are so frustrated in trying to understand how something like this could happen, to a franchise that people have enjoyed for many years.

Modifié par T.Attwood, 19 avril 2012 - 09:46 .

[RobinEJ]

More feedback BW? What for? We are talking to you ALL THE TIME that ending(s) sucks and should be removed and replaced with sth more logic, epic, accurate - simply improved. And you guys promise us DLC EC? With only few cutscenes and movies?
We are talking in different languages? We are using too simply words for you? Not connected with your "artistic integrity"? What's the problem? You made mistake and you should fix it.

Modifié par RobinEJ, 19 avril 2012 - 08:48 .

[MRadway]

I have already posted this in the review thread but I'll post it here as well.

The ending was so disappointing that it soured not only Mass Effect 3, it
completely ruined any incentive I had to play through the games again. I had
two FemSheps (one full Paragon, one full Renegade) and a MaleShep (just so I
could romance Jack who happens to be one of my favorite characters). With the
utterly depressing ending the entire game series feel invalidated. The ending
will be the same no matter what.  Would
it really have been so horrible to have the option of a happy ending?
Now I
feel forced to choose from three equally depressing endings that make no sense
what so ever. So, the Reapers are there to kill all advanced synthetics so that
they don’t create advanced synthetics that destroy all life. But wait, the
Quarians have already created the Geth, and they are ALLIED with the Reapers. If
the Reapers wanted to keep organics from being destroyed by synthetics why
don’t the Reapers come around every few years and kill all synthetics instead?
It makes no sense…

Furthermore how can Liara be on the Normandy when she was just beside me on Earth? And how
can she be completely unharmed and not even dirty?

Are you seriously asking me to believe that Liara, who had finally reached the point where she could tell Shepard that she loved her, would leave her behind and run away?

And if the Normandy is scrambling to get away from an explosion that almost destroys it, then what happened to the fleet orbiting Earth, logically it would follow that if the Normandy barely got away then most of the fleet (if not all) is destroyed. Furthermore, if all the mass relays are destroyed then nothing I have done matter, everyone is stranded or dead.

Having reached that ending and the utter misery inflicted on the galaxy a better course of action for Shepard would have been to just sit down on a bomb on Eden Prime in the very first mission in Mass Effect 1 and let it go off. Just let the Reapers win and hope that the next cycle can defeat them, humanity and almost all sentient species are doomed anyway…

The ending completely takes away all replayability because no matter what I do, I am still presented with three choices, all equally depressing.

I feel cheated and lied to by the developers of the games. I invested literally hundreds of hours to shape a character whose choices are ultimately pointless.

To add insult to injury we are presented with a message that I should buy more DLC. Why? Just because you want more of my money?

It would have felt more honest if some Bioware or EA executive had just beat me up in the street and taken my money directly. At least it would have been over with quickly. I wouldn’t have had to invest hours of my time only to be left with a feeling of crushing defeat.

I absolutely respect that the creators of the game have to be true to themselves and their artistic integrity, again, I have no problem with artistic integrity. I am not demanding that J.K. Rowling rewrites the last Harry Potter book because I don’t like the ending, I have no say in the matter, it is her story, she tells it and it is up to me to accept it and move on. That is simply because I had no choice in the actions taken by Harry and the other characters. The Mass Effect series however is based in a large way on me having to make choices that shape the story, but the endings are the same no matter what choices I make. To be fair however, I know there are a lot of people that argue that it is not the end that’s important, it’s the JOURNEY towards that end that matters. Ok, that has merit, I’m not denying that, the journey towards the end if I choose to go full Paragon is so vastly different from if I choose to go completely Renegade that it almost feels like two separate games and that is awesome.

However let me then ask you:

Let’s say hat you are given four series of books, The Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, A Song of Ice and Fire and Harry Potter. You can only read one at a time but you can go back when you are done with one and read another and your experience will be vastly different. But, when you reach the final chapter, when you are just about to see how it all ends you are forced to read the last chapter of Harry Potter no matter which book series you chose at the beginning. But to be fair I’ll give you three possible outcomes.

1-     -  Harry Potter choses to merge with Voldemort, sacrificing all that is him in order to stop the evil. At the
memorial Ron is wearing a green shirt.

2-      - Harry Potter choses to control Voldemort, sacrificing all that is him in order to stop the evil. At the
memorial Ron is wearing a blue shirt.

3-      - Harry Potter sacrifices himself in order to kill Voldemort in order to stop the evil. At the memorial Ron is
wearing a red shirt.

In all three endings all magic is removed from the world turning all wizards and witches into muggles.

Would you go back and read another series of books if you knew that that was the ending regardless?

It will be a long time before I ever buy any game that has a Bioware or EA logo again, not sure if I ever will. I will however NEVER recommend anyone who hasn’t played the Mass Effect to do so, it is simply not worth it, the ending POISONS EVERYTHING.

Modifié par MRadway, 19 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[Voodoo2015]

BW / EA does not listen for they do not care about their fans.
They only care about the money.

They will never say that they did wrong and will not admit they were wrong.

Therefore, they say we must keep our artistic integrity. For they think it will cause the fans will demand new endings for all games.

But they marketed the game that all choices will have major impact on the ending.
The Endings will will not look the same.

But the lied.

[Chrislo1990]

I've said this countless times before in these forums but I feel I have to say it again as a means of venting my frustration and anger at Bioware. Like many of you, I haven't been able to touch ME3 ever since I beat it about a month ago. It's just hurts me to see how such a masterful franchise could he ruined by such a ridiculous and illogical ending. No matter how tempted I am to start a second playthrough I just can't find it in me to grab the disc and put in the xbox. Why bother I ask myself. In the end all of your decisions prove meaningless. You are confined to three color coded choices of which all are virtually identical.

I guess I'm still in the grieving process, and perhaps will be be for a very long time. Yes I know this may sound weird, a person grieving for a game, but mass effect is no ordinary game. It's an interactive experience where players shape the story according to the choices they make as the protagonist. Each experience is personal and unique because we're all unique and interpret things differently.

Now to see Bioware refusing to implement additional endings on the grounds of artistic integrity isn't only insulting to me but to the franchise itself. When it comes down to it we are all denied player choice in ending our Shepard's stories. The very quality that made mass effect so brilliant and unique is suddenly removed. To add insult to injury the endings fail to provide any sort of closure whatsoever. In fact they leave so many plot holes behind that you can't help but wonder what in the world Bioware was thinking.

In sum this clarification dlc won't fix anything. It may answer a few questions here and there but it will provide any sort of validity to the star child. He just doesn't fit. It also won't provide us with additional options that can lead to different endings despite the fact that this is what we've been asking for from the very beginning. But does Bioware listen? No. Not at all. So why bother asking the fans for feedback? Why waste both our times here? Why play games with us?

[darkway1]

T.Attwood wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

noivoieidoi wrote...
About 4-5% buyers (80,000-100,000 signatures on various petitions, roughly 2 million copies sold) found the infamous endings extremely bad. It’s reasonable to believe that there are a lot more, who simply didn’t bother to take any action. However, this is the data, and this is what shapes the world.

4-5% of purchasers actively complaining and attempting to get a change to the ending is huge. It's an unprecedented event in gaming history. To say it is insignificant is to overlook and ignore the very social considerations you're espousing as important.

Adding to AmstradHero's argument, and noivoieidoi claim that "only 4-5% of buyers found the infamous endings extremely bad", you also need to consider the ease of access of being able to get one's voice heard. An easy way to report on the purchases of products is through online shopping sites. Please take a look on Amazon.com and search for "mass effect 3" in videogames, and see the results of customer reviews. You will see (at the time of writing) the following scores
5 Star: 227
4 Star: 111
3 Star: 91
2 Star: 181
1 Star: 525
Reading many of the reviews, you will see that a lot of them really enjoyed the game, but felt it was let down by the ending. This is considerably more than the 4-5% mentioned. When noivoieidoi, says  "this is the data, and this is what shapes the world.", well, there is some important data right there on Amazon.

In general, ME3 has been a brilliant experience, which is why so many players love it. The stories are well thought out, the characters are incredibly well developed, to the point where the player actually cares about them (which is why there has been such a strong public reaction). I think this is why when all of this is overturned by 10 minutes of inconsistent story-telling, there are so many complaints. We know Bioware are great at doing games like this, which is why players are so frustrated in trying to understand how something like this could happen, to a franchise that people have enjoyed for many years.

In the game options for Mass3 there's a on/of button that allows Bioware to gather data on your game play/bug detection etc.......so Bioware knows exactly what people are doing with the game,are people replaying it,selling it etc.
It would be interesting to know how many people abandoned the game after the ending.I myself have no desire to replay Mass3, yet I intend to play Mass1 and 2 again and again.

[wong990616]

i keep stucking on the earth turret section
can anyone help

[trololol123]

"artistic integrity" is a word made up when the artist in question finaly snaps and cuts his ear off or wants to do preformance art inside a dead whale, or wants speak his own language at macdonalds drive inn.

Or in this case when they hired the dragon age 2 rainbow team to do the ending for mass effect 3 for just 1,49 $ a day.

Had to save time making that super awesome multiplayer, who needs a ending anyway, we just kill off the main character and forget everything else, and just make 3 equal crap endings with a 2 min cutscene and a old dude talking to his kid.

awful job bioware, awful, i though you where the good guys!

[3DandBeyond]

MRadway wrote...

I have already posted this in the review thread but I'll post it here as well.

The ending was so disappointing that it soured not only Mass Effect 3, it
completely ruined any incentive I had to play through the games again. I had
two FemSheps (one full Paragon, one full Renegade) and a MaleShep (just so I
could romance Jack who happens to be one of my favorite characters). With the
utterly depressing ending the entire game series feel invalidated. The ending
will be the same no matter what.  Would
it really have been so horrible to have the option of a happy ending?
Now I
feel forced to choose from three equally depressing endings that make no sense
what so ever. So, the Reapers are there to kill all advanced synthetics so that
they don’t create advanced synthetics that destroy all life. But wait, the
Quarians have already created the Geth, and they are ALLIED with the Reapers. If
the Reapers wanted to keep organics from being destroyed by synthetics why
don’t the Reapers come around every few years and kill all synthetics instead?
It makes no sense…

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Your post is exactly right.  Your part about book endings particularly so.  We all know these games are not static waiting to be read books.  We are emotionally involved and invested in what happens to the characters.  At the end, we are left with the main character (Shepard-player) not even mattering at all.  Those decisions we questioned and went back and changed throughout the game, didn't matter.

It's true that part of the enjoyment of any story is the journey along the way and again, we expect to be brought home after the journey.  This is like a great date where you truly enjoy dinner, the movie, the conversation, and you think the two of you might just have something together.  Then your date when driving you home, opens the car door and shoves you out of the moving vehicle.  We all bought into the journey.  Hell, we lived the journey-far different from any book, because we believed we decided.  We were happy with the journey.  The end totally negates any desire to want to take the trip again.

I started the game over again to replay my character.  I had started more than one character.  I got past the Mars Archives and stopped.  I don't want to make the journey again.  I don't want to be pushed out of the car again.

I played the ending again to see if I could make more sense of it and I couldn't.  It isn't even totally about it not making sense-it's just the awful, dumbfounded feeling I have after playing it.  I wonder why I wasted the time.

[3DandBeyond]

trololol123 wrote...

"artistic integrity" is a word made up when the artist in question finaly snaps and cuts his ear off or wants to do preformance art inside a dead whale, or wants speak his own language at macdonalds drive inn.

Or in this case when they hired the dragon age 2 rainbow team to do the ending for mass effect 3 for just 1,49 $ a day.

Had to save time making that super awesome multiplayer, who needs a ending anyway, we just kill off the main character and forget everything else, and just make 3 equal crap endings with a 2 min cutscene and a old dude talking to his kid.

awful job bioware, awful, i though you where the good guys!

In the case of some artwork, all you end up with is the ear.

[happy_diplomat]

We need some new music for the ending, to help soften the blow, like Hello from Lionel Richie.......Hello, is it me your looking for........Yes, yes it is