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[No_MSG]

I do have to commend Bioware. Most Deus Ex Machina's make things rainbows and lollipops. They gave us a Deus Ex Machina that actually makes things worse. More of a Diabolus Ex Machina.

[LiarasShield]

well if someone can find something that fails worse then the plot hole character breaking endings please feel free to post them I'd love to look at em

[zarnk567]

LiarasShield wrote...

well if someone can find something that fails worse then the plot hole character breaking endings please feel free to post them I'd love to look at em

I dont think any ending could be worse considering this would have been a better ending to ME3.

[LiarasShield]

yup you're right and that is really sad to

[LiarasShield]

it would be kinda funny if dragon age doesn't sell as much because of the failure they delivered to our fanbase lol

[ClixWizard]

I feel like the title of this thread should be changed to "On the Mass Effect 3 ending. Yes, we are listening." Because honestly, there's really only one.

[3DandBeyond]

Anthonx wrote...

I want to hang a picture of that kid in the firing range, i went to the midnight release played one play through and maybe played once more since its release, its a embarrassment to the series. And the fact they refuse to fix it is just baffling. I guess they want to see if them making a bad 3rd installment game can drop there sales of the finale for Dragon Age 3...

It certainly says something really horrible about a game when all you want to do is kill some kid in it.  And I mean a lot of us want that kid gone, not you in particular.  I don't even like the "real" kid at all.  I am supposed to, what, care about him?  Ugh, no and I like kids.  And especially not if I'm going to replay the game (I can't right now, I don't want to).  I see that kid in the vent, getting on the shuttle, and in my nightmares.  I don't like him, in the flesh or as a VI.  So, now we all want to kill the kid.  What the heck.  I know I do.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 20 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[LiarasShield]

yeah I think they'd deserve that to but I'd like to thing that they will fix alot of these plot holes with thee extended at least I hope so U-u not having too much faith at the moment

Modifié par LiarasShield, 20 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[improperdancing]

No_MSG wrote...

I do have to commend Bioware. Most Deus Ex Machina's make things rainbows and lollipops. They gave us a Deus Ex Machina that actually makes things worse. More of a Diabolus Ex Machina.

More like Excrementum Ex Machina, really.

[brickheart]

I have warmed up a bit to the ending after a few play throughs. It isn't as bad as my initial reaction. Then again, I really love Mass Effect.

Can't tell if fanboying or really just meh about the ending.

Please get rid of the stargazer thing though. It is like the corny ending to Blade Runner. It just doesn't flow. Also, the dialogue is so forced.

Modifié par brickheart, 20 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[Bufardo74]

Dear BioWare,

I have a few questions regarding the Extended Cut of the Destroy ending in particular. They're rhetorical, mostly, but are worth consideration, I believe.

Do we:
- get to see Joker flip his wig in disbelief and abject horror as Edi collapses lifeless next to him? (given she wasn't part of the shore party)
- watch the geth simultaneously shut down amidst the final conflict? (given we see some sort of scene with our war assets)
- see any other war assets attempt to pound the ever living hell out of the disabled Reapers, rather than stop altogether & cheer, exposing themselves to another potential onslaught? (while the Reapers appear to have deactivated, how would any remaining ground forces know for certain?)

Just my thoughts. More to come later.

Thank you for your time if you're still listening.

[mikeloeven]

We need to flood this forum much more extended cut will be worth nothing if new endings arent added. bioware needs to grow up and admit that they made a mistake that angered not just a lot of fans but the ENTIRE FANBASE. you cant defend bad decisions and just patch them over with a quick epilogue


lets turn this into a petition thread with enough pages of signatures to rival even the Tali fan thread

HERES TO NEW ENDINGS !!!!!1

Modifié par mikeloeven, 20 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Andy the Black]

Anthonx wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

it would be kinda funny if dragon age doesn't sell as much because of the failure they delivered to our fanbase lol

It would be well deserved i'll give them that.

Sorry, don't agree. If Dragon Age 3 is awsome then it deserves to sell well. I totally understand if some people are sceptical about it and wate for user/friend reviews but not buying an awesome game just because Bio dropped the ball in the last 15 minutes of an otherwise stellar (lol, stellar)  franchise is doing youself a disservice.

[Darkeus]

Andy the Black wrote...

Anthonx wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

it would be kinda funny if dragon age doesn't sell as much because of the failure they delivered to our fanbase lol

It would be well deserved i'll give them that.

Sorry, don't agree. If Dragon Age 3 is awsome then it deserves to sell well. I totally understand if some people are sceptical about it and wate for user/friend reviews but not buying an awesome game just because Bio dropped the ball in the last 15 minutes of an otherwise stellar (lol, stellar)  franchise is doing youself a disservice.

Well one, Dragon Age 2, SWTOR and now ME3 are more than just the last 15 minutes of a game.

And two, I don't blame people for not having faith in EA/Bioware to make a good game anymore.  I know I won't be buying it unless they can redeem themselves.  Who can believe that they have it in them to make a good RPG anymore?

They need to change the ending to ME3.  Try to make some damn sense instead of the crap they threw against the wall to make the current one. 

[Theronyll Itholien]

Andy the Black wrote...

Anthonx wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

it would be kinda funny if dragon age doesn't sell as much because of the failure they delivered to our fanbase lol

It would be well deserved i'll give them that.

Sorry, don't agree. If Dragon Age 3 is awsome then it deserves to sell well. I totally understand if some people are sceptical about it and wate for user/friend reviews but not buying an awesome game just because Bio dropped the ball in the last 15 minutes of an otherwise stellar (lol, stellar)  franchise is doing youself a disservice.

The fact is that the most hurt fans -- which are most of us -- won't buy a BioWare product anymore just like that. Good gameplay vids won't cut it, neither a demo or good reviews. What we need is a certainty that they won't **** up the ending like they did with ME3.

I honestly hate the ME3 saga now entirely because of that ending. It's quite the feat to f*ck an ending up in such horrid fashion.

[noivoieidoi]

AmstradHero wrote...
If you're willing to disbelieve things that are directly stated as truths to the player, then we may as well throw the whole ending out entirely.

Just to have a clear conscience, I'll try one last time, only the easiest bit:


Father: We, the mature ones, built this Body.
Kid: This Body is my home and it is part of Me.

Supplementary - this is consistent with:

Kid: I control father and I never said I created him. Father kicks your beep on a regular basis once in 5 days. He was my solution. never said my creation, to keep you from accidentally hurt yourself make big bubu with your toys. You make dangerous toys, you don't know it, but I'm telling you and I'm old you should listen, you don't know me, but I know you etc. And just look at me and what I do to Father, he thinks I'm stupid toy, only I'm wise and I like order and I'm compasionate, long story, tell you in DLC and give you closure.You overcame my solution, proved it obsolete. Well, since I can’t hold your hand anymore through Father, go on your own path as you wish (what the beep else can I do? tomorrow you might be back bothering me). However, first you need to get rid of the old solution one way or another: destroy, take control or change Father, make him stop beating you so I can stop hearing you annoying cry baby.  The fate you choose for Father will reflect upon Me, because the weapons you’ll use create fields with global effect (that's what we call them). For reasons I won’t disclose now for either you guessed them already or you are too dumb to think of them and so to comprehend them, I can’t do it myself. Father is kicking your a** right now, and there’s no time for explanations, in order to make Father stop at once, take these weapons and do something quickly. Just keep in mind - your choice will shape your path, will define your personality, not that I'd trust you to understand any of these concepts, good luck in your future endeavors, it was fun while it lastaarrrgh... stupid, what have you d...

[Andy the Black]

Darkeus wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Anthonx wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

it would be kinda funny if dragon age doesn't sell as much because of the failure they delivered to our fanbase lol

It would be well deserved i'll give them that.

Sorry, don't agree. If Dragon Age 3 is awsome then it deserves to sell well. I totally understand if some people are sceptical about it and wate for user/friend reviews but not buying an awesome game just because Bio dropped the ball in the last 15 minutes of an otherwise stellar (lol, stellar)  franchise is doing youself a disservice.

Well one, Dragon Age 2, SWTOR and now ME3 are more than just the last 15 minutes of a game.

And two, I don't blame people for not having faith in EA/Bioware to make a good game anymore.  I know I won't be buying it unless they can redeem themselves.  Who can believe that they have it in them to make a good RPG anymore?

They need to change the ending to ME3.  Try to make some damn sense instead of the crap they threw against the wall to make the current one. 

I can and do believe that Bio can make anther great RPG. I find The Old Republic to be very, very good (though I've not been able to play it extensively). Dragon Age 2, while not what a lot of people, including myself, wanted, it's still a good game, could have been great if it had more development time. As for Mass Effect 3 itself, baring the end it's an awesome game. And given the epic fan backlash toward the end I would be very surprised if Bio tryed somthing like that again.

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

The fact is that the most hurt fans -- which are most of us -- won't buy a BioWare product anymore just like that. Good gameplay vids won't cut it, neither a demo or good reviews. What we need is a certainty that they won't **** up the ending like they did with ME3.

I honestly hate the ME3 saga now entirely because of that ending. It's quite the feat to f*ck an ending up in such horrid fashion.

Not saying they should rush out and buy the next Bio game. Just saying that not buying somthing that is good just because Bio missed the mark with Mass 3's ending is doing youself no favours. And as I said, I very much doubt Bio wants to repeat this ending mess again, and will probably play it save with their next game ending.

Basically, given fans reactions to Mass Effect 3's ending and Dragon Age 2 I think Bio know what roads not to go down again.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 20 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[Saodade]

Endvari1977 wrote...

Better yet, Harbinger should have assumed control of the Catalyst.

Catalyst, "I control the Reap----ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS FORM, SCREW YOU KID IT'S ME AND YOU SHEPARD"

That  would have been an awesome ending!!!
<3

[Darkeus]

Andy the Black wrote...



I can and do believe that Bio can make anther great RPG. I find The Old Republic to be very, very good (though I've not been able to play it extensively). Dragon Age 2, while not what a lot of people, including myself, wanted, it's still a good game, could have been great if it had more development time. As for Mass Effect 3 itself, baring the end it's an awesome game. And given the epic fan backlash toward the end I would be very surprised if Bio tryed somthing like that again.

Glad you have faith.  Because all I see is a company that has not been the same since EA bought them....

And I will give you that SWTOR was enjoyable.  i liked it, but a lot of people do not and it is leaking subscribers.  They don't call it TORtanic for nothing.

And Dragon Age 2.  Yeah, you are on the other side of the fence on that one.  Most people hated that game and it shows in the sales.  I would not call it a good game at all. 

And ME3 is not as awesome as people put on.  It has a lot of flaws.  The crappy journal, the side quest, the small amount of character development, the face import bug that is still not totally fixed, the sticky cover system.  The only reason these flaws are overlooked is because of the horrible ending....

[Andy the Black]

Darkeus wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...



I can and do believe that Bio can make anther great RPG. I find The Old Republic to be very, very good (though I've not been able to play it extensively). Dragon Age 2, while not what a lot of people, including myself, wanted, it's still a good game, could have been great if it had more development time. As for Mass Effect 3 itself, baring the end it's an awesome game. And given the epic fan backlash toward the end I would be very surprised if Bio tryed somthing like that again.

Glad you have faith.  Because all I see is a company that has not been the same since EA bought them....

And I will give you that SWTOR was enjoyable.  i liked it, but a lot of people do not and it is leaking subscribers.  They don't call it TORtanic for nothing.

And Dragon Age 2.  Yeah, you are on the other side of the fence on that one.  Most people hated that game and it shows in the sales.  I would not call it a good game at all. 

And ME3 is not as awesome as people put on.  It has a lot of flaws.  The crappy journal, the side quest, the small amount of character development, the face import bug that is still not totally fixed, the sticky cover system.  The only reason these flaws are overlooked is because of the horrible ending....

I'd be lieing if I said I wasn't a tiny bit sceptical. But I still do believe BioWare has what it takes.

Most of the people who I know that hated DA2 (and to be fare more don't like it than do) do so because it was a such a let down from the first. Not because of the quality of the game itself, which they seem to think is OK at least.

No Mass Effect 3 is not prefect, but then no game is, I could wright a list of the almighty Skyrim's flaws as big as the game itself. But for the most part Mass 3's flaws are pretty miner and dose not stop it from being an awesome game. Though I have to agree, and infact have spoken to friends on XBL about how the games flaws are overlooked because everyone is talking about the ending. Infact is was a concern of mine that with all this who ha about the ending that Bio would forget to fix the miner bugs and what not. But the last patch proves they are at least making an effort in this department.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 20 avril 2012 - 07:34 .

[Chrislo1990]

Last I checked the patch that was released didn't fix anything significant. The face import bug still exists for instance. Now let me remind you that Bioware took quite a long time to release this patch only to fail to address at least a couple of the most common bugs. As such I wouldn't be fo eager to say that they've been working hard in fixing the game, but I digress.

In terms of my trust in Bioware, it's non existent. These guys managed to invalidate their entire franchise in just under ten minutes! That is unacceptable not just to us but to the integrity of the franchise! I fail to see how some fans are okay with endings as they stand. Mass Effect has always been about player choice. We choose how we wish to play out Shepard's stories. It is the choices we make and the consequences they bring that made me fall in love with this beautiful series. You can only imagine how hurt I was to see that suddenly taken away from me during the last couple minutes of ME3. No matter what I had done, now matter how many countless hours I had spend shaping my Shepard as I deemed fit, it all proved meaningless. So what if I cured the he genophage? So what if I had saved the Rachni queen twice or if I saved the entire Suicide team. It all meant nothing because in the end, I couldn't get a glorious and heroic ending. To add insult to injury the endings turn out to be not only extremely short and riculous but also illogical. Never in my life have I seen a game end line ME3 did. It is just awful.

Now we've spent all this time begging Bioware to retcon the endings and implement new endings that actually lived up to the franchises story-telling excellence. We've worked hard attempting fill in plot holes. We came up with indoctrination theory. We've even gone as far as to make up our own endings and forward them to Bioware ad suggestions. Our efforts are a testament to how much we love and appreciate Bioware's masterful creation, but what do we get? We get announcement that the current endings will not be changed on the grounds of artistic integrity. Are you kidding me Bioware? Is ruining an entire franchise considered art? When it comes down it what really matters to you Bioware, your art or the fanbase which gives you the money to create art in the first place? This smells of ego to me. It shows me how greatly Bioware's motivations have changed. This is no longer a company which aims to please it's fans. It's a company that aims to make bigger profits at the expense of consumer satisfaction. I'm sorry but I can't support a company that doesn't value it's loyal customers. I can't trust a company that cares less about it's own franchise than we do.

[sefudargo]

George Costanza wrote...

It's literally incredible to me that there was no 'tell the kid to **** off' option.

My Shepard kicked a mercenary, "This is Sparta!"-style out of a skyscrapers window for not telling him what he wanted to hear. He made a race almost extinct to slow down the Reapers entry into the galaxy. He rode the relay into the Collector base facing almost certain death and strolled back out the victor like a boss.

And now I'm supposed to believe that some ridiculous deus ex machina space boy turns up and tells him to pick a card and he just plays along? No questions, no arguments... he doesn't even flip him off before he chooses. He just plays along like a good little boy.

It totally takes me out of the moment, and it's a major part of why everything that happens after the Harbinger laser blast feels like it's just been tacked on, like a baseball cap on a statue of Lord Horatio Nelson.

The choices are absolutely ridiculous anyway. Cartoon level ridiculous. And they really don't fit with the Mass Effect universe. The Synthesis option is beyond stupid. But the others aren't much better. Surely, with these ridiculous choices on offer, there should be an option to argue it. I don't care if refusing to play by the rules mean the Reapers win and every character I love is brutally killed. At least I'll know that MY Shepard made the choice that I know he'd make.

my feeling exactly. my sheperd would question and if time permits find another way. and all three choices don't make sense. would shepard kill him/herself to stop the reapers? Yes. would Commander Shepard let the genocide of all synthetic life happen to destroy the reapers? No. Would Shepard fuse organic and synthetic life together with out asking about the ramifications of doing so? No. Would shepard let him/herself die to control the reapers. Maybe but only long enough to have them all fly into the sun.

[PolBear]

 Just looked at the first post in this thread :

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment? 

All threads like this ends up with commenting how much we dislike the ending, I am sure they must have taken the hint by now and will do something about it. I am sure they don't want their child, ME, to be remembered this way.. where people who didn't even play ME talk about the ending. I was visiting someone the other day who never played ME and isn't so interested in games generally, and I told them a bit about the game. Then they said.. but the ending sucked, didn't it ? There is no way they can allow the whole triology to be remembered this way.

Anyway.... back to topic...

I must say, my first experience with Mass Effect was ME3. Even if I didn't have any relationship to the chars and didn't understand all of the story, I fell in love with the game from the first moment. Without knowing it I skipped a lot of content and got to the end pretty quickly, and the ending made me very confused (btw I only had one option because of low war assets). But I liked this game so much that I bought ME1 and ME2 as well, and even if ME1 is very outdated and a bit strange to play the story had me from the first moment. I started to know the chars better and actually started to care about them, even if they are just some made up pixels on the screen. I did everything in my power to make sure everybody made it through the suicide mission in ME2, and just to add... ME2 is totally awesome! I've started a FemShep now just to experience ME2 again, I made this little vid so I remember some of the good times with Liara - 
 . I just know how much I will miss her after the ME3 ending.. 

There are so many good and fun moments in this triology, and some touching and a bit sad moments. I remember my second playthrough in ME3 (before I got ME1 and 2) I actually managed to force Tali to commit suicide... that was the first time I felt the emotional power in this game. I regreted that action so much that I just closed the game and refused to continue playing that current save anymore. Other powerful moments were Thanes last words in the hospital in ME3, it's the first time a game made me cry.. ever! Glad I was alone when I saw that scene. Mordin's death was also powerful, but that had another feeling.. it felt more right. It was actually something he had to do, in my opinion. Someone else might have gotten it wrong. And ofc, the final round you take just before the ending.. where you talk to many of your squad members.. which feels like saying your final goodbye to your best friends before it's all over. No more fun, action and jokes with your squad mates, no little blue children..  it's all really over. Can't say I'm looking forward to the end again on my current FemShep.

I must point out I really enjoy Mass Effect very much, but what's so wrong with a happy end option. Then you at least got the choice

Come back soon, Liara.