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[3DandBeyond]

sbricca wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...



Yeah, I sincerely doubt they are laughing.  They loved the games as much or more than fans.  They also seemed to expect new Mass Effect games that took place either before or during the events of the current series.  There's no way they wanted this series to be remembered for this reaction.  There are many reasons why some things just may have happened as they did.  They were pressed for time and they began to borrow ideas from elsewhere.  Notes they made suggest borrowing from the Matrix, among other things.  I also think that certain plotpoints created cascading problems for them.  If teammates were missing or not, perhaps did affect decisions to remove them from the final "battle".  In the end, they couldn't push the release date further because they'd already changed it from late 2011.

Hallo,
i think that is true, but i think  they ought to write the endingS at the beginning of the mass effect 3 project...at least an idea...
But i heard that the ending is similar to deux ex 1, right?
I liked playing ME3, i think is an excellent product until the last 10 min...


(my english is very bad..sorry..)

Your English is just fine, no need to ever apologize.

And yeah as a writer myself I know it's often best to at least have an idea of where you want to end up.  Kind of like going on a trip.  That does not always mean you end up right where you expected to be, but you do want to have an idea.  I think all those things I mentioned (time being the biggest problem) made them change where they wanted to go with all this.

They did a horrible job.  They actually would have achieved far more had they pushed ahead the release date.  It wasn't like a Christmas release, which you do want to get out in time for Christmas, because they already missed that date.  I have bought a lot of games (and I mean a lot) and many of them have had Spring releases or are beginning of the year releases.  The timing for them probably had to do with Fiscal year budgets. 

But, none of this matters to fans.  When we buy a game, we want a complete game.  We want to core of the game to deliver and the ending to help wrap it up.  This game failed because of the ending.  It's the business's responsibility to care about the financial and deadline issues, not the buyer/player's.  It may make me understand their problems more, but it won't make me like the game.

[RobinEJ]

It's new idea how to make BW so depressed as we are:
retake campaign "TURN it ON and TURN it OFF" - more info
on HTL (http://www.holdtheli...or-bioware.877/)
on FB (http://www.facebook....10761315601880/)
Please invite your friends!

Shortly how to take part:
- Turn ON the Mass Effect 3 single player campaign at some point during Saturday, April 28th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). It does not need to be on for the entire 24 hour period.
- Tweet Bioware/EA to let them know you are playing in order to show them the number of fans who support them. Post an after action report on the BSN.
- Turn OFF Mass Effect 3 and do not play either single or multiplayer for the entirety of Sunday, April 29th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). The game must be shut off for the entire 24 hour period. Do not log in to the BSN forum during this time.
- Tweet Bioware/EA again to let them know you are demonstrating their potential loss of customers.

[cuzsal]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

LIES


at least thats how it feels to me, I mean the only people from Bioware talking on these fourms atm are just fans from the Dragon Age team and it seems they feel the same way as most of us " The Minority group "

would be nice to actualy hear what the hell is going on atm with the Mass Effect team, I have been losing hope each and every day i only come to see if any news but at this rate im about ready to say good bye to Bioware for good, well cept the SWTOR team, that is a good game and they cant screw up the ending if and when SWTOR ends

[3DandBeyond]

sbricca wrote...


there are people who play mass effect 3 without playing me1-2 before?


2-3% of customers....

Well, of course some people couldn't afford to buy all the games or maybe parents didn't consider them old enough, but yeah probably a small percentage.

The game does allow for that in that to get some things that should matter, they need to play it twice, but if you didn't like the ending like a lot of us, then you may find it awful hard to play the game twice, even just the one game.

Personally, I have ME1 for PC, ME2 and 3 for PS3.  If ME3 would have been great, I might have considered getting ME2 and 3 for PC and wishing for a 360 and all 3 games on it, or crying for a PS3 version of ME1 (won't ever happen, I know).  As it is, I had started ME1 after playing part of ME3 and I don't even know if I can finish it.

[Archonsg]

sbricca wrote...


there are people who play mass effect 3 without playing me1-2 before?


2-3% of customers....

Oh yes, definitely. A good portion of the MP crowd, just head over to the Multi Player side of these forums. Reading their posts, it seems that beyond guns, abilities and how to min/max your character to do silver or gold challenges, they aren't interested in the lore of the game.

Don't get me wrong, I have been playing the hell out of MP to try to get into the mood to get my 2nd run going (N7 Rank 1200++) but am still at Tuchanka a month after completing my first run.

We all make mistakes. Bioware, made a colossal one with this ending, they can still fix it, if they choose to. Though, from official statements, they have closed doors on the subject.

As a loyal customer, and an ardent fan of the Mass Effect world I keep posting here is because I do not want to see both Bioware and Mass Effect to be ruined by what seems an act of hubris. Do the right thing. Truly listen to what your fans are saying, and truly fix the ending.

Modifié par Archonsg, 20 avril 2012 - 05:06 .

[LiarasShield]

You know I love this ending so much wether shepard lives or dies it felt perfect

[darkway1]

cuzsal wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

LIES


at least thats how it feels to me, I mean the only people from Bioware talking on these fourms atm are just fans from the Dragon Age team and it seems they feel the same way as most of us " The Minority group "

would be nice to actualy hear what the hell is going on atm with the Mass Effect team, I have been losing hope each and every day i only come to see if any news but at this rate im about ready to say good bye to Bioware for good, well cept the SWTOR team, that is a good game and they cant screw up the ending if and when SWTOR ends

Well what can BIOWARE really do at this point in time.......any new content will take time to make,a single word can be twisted and used againt them,even silence is doing damage..........it's a fail on all levels.............and at the end of the day,are Bioware simply trying to fix the games ending in order to just sell more DLC???........that don't sit right with anyone either.

[Archonsg]

darkway1 wrote...

cuzsal wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

LIES


at least thats how it feels to me, I mean the only people from Bioware talking on these fourms atm are just fans from the Dragon Age team and it seems they feel the same way as most of us " The Minority group "

would be nice to actualy hear what the hell is going on atm with the Mass Effect team, I have been losing hope each and every day i only come to see if any news but at this rate im about ready to say good bye to Bioware for good, well cept the SWTOR team, that is a good game and they cant screw up the ending if and when SWTOR ends

Well what can BIOWARE really do at this point in time.......any new content will take time to make,a single word can be twisted and used againt them,even silence is doing damage..........it's a fail on all levels.............and at the end of the day,are Bioware simply trying to fix the games ending in order to just sell more DLC???........that don't sit right with anyone either.

You'll be surprised how far a little humility, an apology and the truth can go. Honestly, had they apologized, then asked for time to make the, lets call it the Alternate Endings DLC, explain that it would be free if possible or at worst a small fee to offset production cost, most will be happy, some mad at the thought of paying more but will probably forgive and *be willing* to pay for such a DLC. Am I wrong to believe this?

As it is. The "We already got your money and if you don't like our "Artistic vision" too bad, we aren't going to change it. We will however, try to explain it because, you are too stupid to understand." stance is just hurting both themselves and their core fans. Fans who like me were with them for more then 15 years. A fan who remembers that their logo at the time had a pair of hands, and some of the best games from a publisher called Interplay.

Just sad to see so much history get flushed down the crapper.

Modifié par Archonsg, 20 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[LiarasShield]

face it the best of bioware was when they were working with the black isles and made the baldurs gate games

[LiarasShield]

ever since ea bought them dragon age 2 and the ending of me3 do we see a cycle here.....

[LiarasShield]

now baldurs gate was something to ride home about that was a great game and had a pretty awesome ending also can anyone really confirm or disprove the rumors about baldurs gate 3 I keep hearing em

[Archonsg]

I had a love hate relation with Buldar's gate. I love the game, hated it sooo much when I got one shotted by a gibberling. But those are the days when games were HARD and luck could decide if you had to reload a saved game. which I did multiple times, Viconia kept getting killed and I was romancing her.

Back to the present day and ME3.
Bioware created a wonderful world that would have been their modern day "Baldur's Gate". While Dragon Age was supposed to be the spiritual successor, I saw the ME series to have taken the crown for this decade. Only to be murdered by that ending.

Modifié par Archonsg, 20 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[TheBastian]

It is really sad that the beauty of the setting and the memory of the series of ME is corrupted just by the last ten minutes or so of ME3. Also, I agree, Baldurs Gate was one hell of a game, sadly I doubt it will be continued. But, never say never.

[Archonsg]

LiarasShield wrote...

now baldurs gate was something to ride home about that was a great game and had a pretty awesome ending also can anyone really confirm or disprove the rumors about baldurs gate 3 I keep hearing em

www.baldursgate.com/

Nuff said.

[Eryri]

RobinEJ wrote...

It's new idea how to make BW so depressed as we are:
retake campaign "TURN it ON and TURN it OFF" - more info
on HTL (http://www.holdtheli...or-bioware.877/)
on FB (http://www.facebook....10761315601880/)
Please invite your friends!

Shortly how to take part:
- Turn ON the Mass Effect 3 single player campaign at some point during Saturday, April 28th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). It does not need to be on for the entire 24 hour period.
- Tweet Bioware/EA to let them know you are playing in order to show them the number of fans who support them. Post an after action report on the BSN.
- Turn OFF Mass Effect 3 and do not play either single or multiplayer for the entirety of Sunday, April 29th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). The game must be shut off for the entire 24 hour period. Do not log in to the BSN forum during this time.
- Tweet Bioware/EA again to let them know you are demonstrating their potential loss of customers.

That seems a really good, constructive idea. I think I'll give it a go.

[Archonsg]

Eryri wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

It's new idea how to make BW so depressed as we are:
retake campaign "TURN it ON and TURN it OFF" - more info
on HTL (http://www.holdtheli...or-bioware.877/)
on FB (http://www.facebook....10761315601880/)
Please invite your friends!

Shortly how to take part:
- Turn ON the Mass Effect 3 single player campaign at some point during Saturday, April 28th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). It does not need to be on for the entire 24 hour period.
- Tweet Bioware/EA to let them know you are playing in order to show them the number of fans who support them. Post an after action report on the BSN.
- Turn OFF Mass Effect 3 and do not play either single or multiplayer for the entirety of Sunday, April 29th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). The game must be shut off for the entire 24 hour period. Do not log in to the BSN forum during this time.
- Tweet Bioware/EA again to let them know you are demonstrating their potential loss of customers.

That seems a really good, constructive idea. I think I'll give it a go.

I'll give this a go too. Might as well.

Ps: They will need to make sure their "send online data" options is turned on though.

Modifié par Archonsg, 20 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[NOSAR]

Balmung31 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

When I see Bioware give appreciation to Shepard by having an optional ending where he lives and can be reunited with his crew and LI, maybe I'll tell you. 

AGREED

[Sayantsi]

So, just finished ME3, and THAT was the ending? I watched the other endings, and BioWare seriously expects me to pay for DLC when everything we've invested in during the previous games is blown away?

I thought the ending to DA2 was weak, but this is insulting.  Is this what Bioware is now?

Modifié par Sayantsi, 20 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[Jvolikas]

"Ah yes, faith that you are listening to us and will give us an ending that makes sense"

after 719 pages, we have dismissed that claim.

[Archonsg]

Sayantsi wrote...

So, just finished ME3, and THAT was the ending? I watched the other endings, and BioWare seriously expects me to pay for DLC when everything we've invested in during the previous games is blown away?

I thought the ending to DA2 was weak, but this is insulting.  Is this what Bioware is now?

"Artistic Integrity"

Hold the line, hold your wallet, hold off future EA/Bioware purchases.

[sbricca]

3DandBeyond wrote...


And yeah as a writer myself I know it's often best to at least have an idea of where you want to end up.  Kind of like going on a trip.  That does not always mean you end up right where you expected to be, but you do want to have an idea.  I think all those things I mentioned (time being the biggest problem) made them change where they wanted to go with all this.

They did a horrible job.  They actually would have achieved far more had they pushed ahead the release date.  It wasn't like a Christmas release, which you do want to get out in time for Christmas, because they already missed that date.  I have bought a lot of games (and I mean a lot) and many of them have had Spring releases or are beginning of the year releases.  The timing for them probably had to do with Fiscal year budgets. 

But, none of this matters to fans.  When we buy a game, we want a complete game.  We want to core of the game to deliver and the ending to help wrap it up.  This game failed because of the ending.  It's the business's responsibility to care about the financial and deadline issues, not the buyer/player's.  It may make me understand their problems more, but it won't make me like the game.

I definitely agree with you, because i think  the same people who created mass effect 2 amazing endings cant be proud about that ME3 ending...
if 90% of us says the same things, have the same disappointment, im curious to know which were the feedback of the internal betatesters after playing ME3 for the first time
It is impossible they are really surprised about this "world reaction"...

[Sayantsi]

Archonsg wrote...

Sayantsi wrote...

So, just finished ME3, and THAT was the ending? I watched the other endings, and BioWare seriously expects me to pay for DLC when everything we've invested in during the previous games is blown away?

I thought the ending to DA2 was weak, but this is insulting.  Is this what Bioware is now?

"Artistic Integrity"

Hold the line, hold your wallet, hold off future EA/Bioware purchases.

Yeah, after DA2 and now this dreck, I'm not spending any more money on anything with BioBeware's stamp on it.

[sdinc009]

Sayantsi wrote...

So, just finished ME3, and THAT was the ending? I watched the other endings, and BioWare seriously expects me to pay for DLC when everything we've invested in during the previous games is blown away?

I thought the ending to DA2 was weak, but this is insulting.  Is this what Bioware is now?

Welcome to our world. You're not alone. Hold the line

[lillitheris]

It's time for my weekly update on the various things I've been working on:

Clarification & Meaningful Sacrifice (Ending Suggestions) is more complete now, including expanded Normandy scene, Synthesis, Control, reaper victory, Catalyst's trustworthiness, and various other fixes to the earlier. And lots of very interesting discussion.

Small LI Improvements For Extended Cut is largely unchanged, just a few additions including e-mail suggestions. Some good discussion here too.

More Dialogue Wheel/Opts for EC, w/List has gotten a few more sections since last, Tuchanka, Mars, and the Citadel at least.

ME2 Faces Still Unimportable is actually getting fixed, there's a fan fix for many PC and Xbox face import issues…but that's a little unrelated.

Need help with each still…and hopefully BioWare is actually eavesdropping on those threads

Modifié par lillitheris, 20 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[sdinc009]

Archonsg wrote...

Eryri wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

It's new idea how to make BW so depressed as we are:
retake campaign "TURN it ON and TURN it OFF" - more info
on HTL (http://www.holdtheli...or-bioware.877/)
on FB (http://www.facebook....10761315601880/)
Please invite your friends!

Shortly how to take part:
- Turn ON the Mass Effect 3 single player campaign at some point during Saturday, April 28th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). It does not need to be on for the entire 24 hour period.
- Tweet Bioware/EA to let them know you are playing in order to show them the number of fans who support them. Post an after action report on the BSN.
- Turn OFF Mass Effect 3 and do not play either single or multiplayer for the entirety of Sunday, April 29th (Pacific Time/GMT -7). The game must be shut off for the entire 24 hour period. Do not log in to the BSN forum during this time.
- Tweet Bioware/EA again to let them know you are demonstrating their potential loss of customers.

That seems a really good, constructive idea. I think I'll give it a go.

I'll give this a go too. Might as well.

Ps: They will need to make sure their "send online data" options is turned on though.

I'm in. Let's do this