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[Paladin1337]

SHAME ON YOU BIOWARE!

[mr_arizona2424]

Just make a alternate ending DLC. Give us like a bunch of different ones and let people choose whichever. You at Bioware can replay the in game ending over and over while you can also keep your fans happy and give the 99% of people a happy ending, a Reapers win ending, a we won but barely ending, or even it was all a dream ending.

I know you want to preseve your image of what you created but show us you are taking what we want out of this series or you can expect Mass Effect 4 to go down in sales.

[Bueller117]

Bioware, promise me you will watch this video. It helps to clarify the most prevalent problems that we have with the ending. I loved every second of Mass Effect 3 all the way up until the the ending (starting from where Marauder Shield failed to protect me from the ending)

Please take the sentiments in this video into consideration as you plot your future actions for the Mass Effect series



-A loving Mass Effect fan

[Zenyattaa]

You hear but you don't listen. Whatever reboot the series 4000 years later or something. See how hard it bombs.

[Voodoo2015]

Shame on You BW/EA

[Redbelle]

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...






[/quote]Okay I'll try to play fair...

1. The entire Rannoch Mission (including sidequests)...
2. Cure the Genophage on Tuchanka.
3. Grunt in Missing Scouts (why, for God's sake, didn't you let us have a Krogan as squademate ???? They're the most hilarious!!! ).
4. EVE/BAKARA.
5. Every moment with Garrus and Liara.
6. Javik and EDI.
7. Aria T'Loak ("I think, I'm gonna use violence..." )



I'm going out of topic, but I have to say it....

1. Vancouver was a fail.
2. James Vega ?? Diana Allers ????
2. By no means, the Plastic-Space-Ninja (Kai-Leng) should have had so much importance.
3. The Thessia Mission was way too short...
4. HARBINGER ???????????

Naturally I won't speak about the final mission (Lack of cutscenes, where are the Rachni, the Geth ???) and the fairy-tale ending....


[/quote]

On the subject of James Vega. My favourite moment with him was at the beginning where his character came to life. I mean, Ash and Kaiden are so stiff by the book types when we first met them in ME1. And when we talk to Vega the first thing he does is invite you to have a fight/spar? The guy had his quads out at the start of the game and then further in we never saw him be so brazen again.

[Voodoo-j]

So, I've thought about this quite a bit, logically.
This just doesn't make sense.. Only one of the endings to me is even feasible.


5000+ War Assets

Choice - Earth - Squadmates - Shepard

Destruction - Saved - Squadmates survive - Lives
Control - Saved - Squadmates survive - Dies
Synthesis - Saved - Squadmates survive, but are "synthesized" - Dies

(The missing ending)
First off.. I've brought peace with organics and synthetics already in the current cycle, therefore all other endings are obsolete.
The Geth ?? Why is this not realized in the ending?
GAME OVER the reapers leave... AI construct say WOW you accomplished what hasn't been done ever! They go back to their hiding hole and monitor the peace as long as it lasts, with the threat of returning should it end.

The "perfect ending" WHY would I destroy the Geth and all human biotics??
Again, I've brought peace to the galaxy?? This goes against all plot lines dealing with biotics, Grissom Academy, saving the Geth, EDI. (exorbitantly idiotic ending choice)

How do I control the reapers if I'm dead?? (again really not a logical ending)

The synthesis ending, similar to what Legion did for the Geth.
OMG I actually get this, this ending makes sense.

So.. Change the other 2 endings so they make sense..
And for the absolute blinding truth of already bringing peace to the organics and synthetics, this needs to be tied into the end. It needs to be discussed with the AI Construct.


This is without going into how the destruction of the Mass Relays affects life afterwards.
A whole mess of idiocy on how that causes the same if not more issues than the reapers for the sol system.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 22 avril 2012 - 09:46 .

[Archonsg]

The synthesis ending is beyond stupid if people actually stop to think what it means beyond the fact you just jumped into a beam of light that will somehow fuse organics with synthetics. Look at the flip side of the equation. So Synthetics now have blood, flesh and organs? If no, why not, since even leaves now have circuitry meshed in with its organic parts. What about organs, do they now have a fusion of chemical/digital brains, if so which organs are supplying the hormones and other stuff needed for a chemical brain to function?
What about the requirements to supply those hormones? Do reapers now have to eat, and if they do, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO EAT?

I could go on and in about just how wrong Synthesis is, besides the obvious rape of every species right to individuality but, hey you thought it made sense yes?

Modifié par Archonsg, 22 avril 2012 - 10:08 .

[Voodoo-j]

Archonsg wrote...

The synthesis ending is beyond stupid if people actually stop to think what it means beyond the fact you just jumped into a beam of light that will somehow fuse organics with synthetics. Look at the flip side of the equation. So Synthetics now have blood, flesh and organs? If no, why not, since even leaves now have circuitry meshed in with its organic parts. What about organs, do they now have a fusion of chemical/digital brains, if so which organs are supplying the hormones and other stuff needed for a chemical brain to function?
What about the requirements to supply those hormones? Do reapers now have to eat, and if they do, WHAT ARE GOING TO EAT?

I could go on and in about just how wrong Synthesis is, besides the obvious rape of every species right to individuality but, hey you thought it made sense yes?

In light of how the other endings are so far off, yes.  This is obviously beyond any knowledge we have if your being realistic, but so is the automatic transformation of all life organic/synthetic to this state.

[Archonsg]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

The synthesis ending is beyond stupid if people actually stop to think what it means beyond the fact you just jumped into a beam of light that will somehow fuse organics with synthetics. Look at the flip side of the equation. So Synthetics now have blood, flesh and organs? If no, why not, since even leaves now have circuitry meshed in with its organic parts. What about organs, do they now have a fusion of chemical/digital brains, if so which organs are supplying the hormones and other stuff needed for a chemical brain to function?
What about the requirements to supply those hormones? Do reapers now have to eat, and if they do, WHAT ARE GOING TO EAT?

I could go on and in about just how wrong Synthesis is, besides the obvious rape of every species right to individuality but, hey you thought it made sense yes?

In light of how the other endings are so far off, yes.  This is obviously beyond any knowledge we have if your being realistic, but so is the automatic transformation of all life organic/synthetic to this state.

The point being, the ending as it is, is broken, not just in the narrative sense, its broken logically when compared to the series as a whole. Bioware took such great pains to keep everything "plausible" even making sure Shepard renters a planet in ME2 with a low density atmosphere and temperature to preserve his body.


Why, they turned a 180 and broke all that work, all that effort, to be forced to swallow "space magic" as our three solutions (which equates to one ending essentially) is just wrong.

Also, I want my distinct and different endings, not mass relays blows up, love interest eloped with Joker, joker and crew abandoning Shepard, and SHEPARD DIES. That last bit, where we see a teaser of a body in N7 taking a breath, is not a commitment that Shepard lives. Which btw, is another BS WTF how he/she got there moment.

[Voodoo-j]

Yes I agree, but I was trying to keep it simple. First and foremost, the peace already attained between organics and synthetics.

[Archonsg]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Yes I agree, but I was trying to keep it simple. First and foremost, the peace already attained between organics and synthetics.

But that is just it. Synthesis does not in any way broker peace. What it does is make every single being in the Galaxy, a single race, technological singularity, but it does not change ideas, ideaology, religion, prejudices.

Early on, in this thread I had a very interesting convo with another poster who pointed out that, as far as the catalyst is concerned, Synthesis means everyone is Synthethic/organic and if you kill each other off, it is no longer a Synthesis VS Organics issue.

Something that we, the unwashed and uneducated masses (according to bioware with that EC DLC statement) can see, how could Shepard who is no idiot, can't and just accepted this Synthesis option without so much as a whimper of protest?

The ending is broken, singular, three colored options aside. It is a represation or an attempt at the "Jesus" theme where our hero dies for the good of everyone but fails so badly within the context of the game's world.

 

[Archonsg]

Edited. Dbl post. I hate this phone. 
 

Modifié par Archonsg, 22 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[Voodoo2015]

Yeah lets make a ending with an artistic vision....

Picasso's artistic vision, Paintings that make no sense.
So now the artist has to explain his paintings. So we who see it understands that he was drinking when he painted them ..

Do not need an explanation, needs a new ending or more endings.

Artistic vision.... WTF

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 22 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[Uncle Jo]

Redbelle wrote...

On the subject of James Vega. My favourite moment with him was at the beginning where his character came to life. I mean, Ash and Kaiden are so stiff by the book types when we first met them in ME1. And when we talk to Vega the first thing he does is invite you to have a fight/spar? The guy had his quads out at the start of the game and then further in we never saw him be so brazen again.

Vega pops out of nowhere, I would have had Grunt as squademade rather than this Jersey Shore character. It's a pity he couldn't somehow die during the game...

[Graius]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Yeah lets make a ending with an artistic vision....

Picasso's artistic vision, Paintings that make no sense.
So now the artist has to explain his paintings. So we who see it understands that he was drinking when he painted them ..

Do not need an explanation, needs a new ending or more endings.

Artistic vision.... WTF

Let's not liken this to a Picasso. Picasso's work has a technical adeptness, philosophical and internal consistency that this ending sorely lacked.  You may subjectively dislike a Picasso, but objectively speaking his art is coherent, consistent and makes sense in its context.  You can respect it without liking it. The problem with this ending though is that it falls apart at the objective level, rather than simply being unpopular as a matter of taste.

[Archonsg]

Graius wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Yeah lets make a ending with an artistic vision....

Picasso's artistic vision, Paintings that make no sense.
So now the artist has to explain his paintings. So we who see it understands that he was drinking when he painted them ..

Do not need an explanation, needs a new ending or more endings.

Artistic vision.... WTF

Let's not liken this to a Picasso. Picasso's work has a technical adeptness, philosophical and internal consistency that this ending sorely lacked.  You may subjectively dislike a Picasso, but objectively speaking his art is coherent, consistent and makes sense in its context.  You can respect it without liking it. The problem with this ending though is that it falls apart at the objective level, rather than simply being unpopular as a matter of taste.

Precisely.
The entire Mass Effect series was a work of art. The best analogy I can think of is Michelangelo's "Creation" work, it would be like Michelangelo did everything, then at the very end, Salvador Dali came and did the Faces of God and Adam.

The ending is broken.
It doesn't fit on multiple levels. Singular ending whose writer forced upon various players his nihilistic vision that NO ONE WOULD CHOOSE otherwise as his or her canon ending by removing all options from the player.

As so many have pointed out before, and something I have been repeating over and over, THIS IS A GAME. We play to "win", to see our hero live that larger then life dream, to pull off the impossible and

1) kick Reapers' rear

2) bask in the adulation of a grateful galaxy

3) retire with love interest and have (yes blue) babies or adopt and get a well deserved life of peace.

If ONE of the endings is where everything fracks up, Shepard dies and the Galaxy goes to hell, that is good too, but it should have been ONE OF MANY ENDINGS, like it was advertised.
 

Modifié par Archonsg, 22 avril 2012 - 01:44 .

[LiarasShield]

Ok I'm gonna make some simple points real quick here.

yes do I think I should be entitled to what was promised to us and what we payed for yeah I think so being lied to and ripped off might be acceptable to some of you but it sure as hell isn't to me

Secondly if bioware only wanted shepard to be their shepard they wouldn't have given us the dialogue wheel and the ability to alter or change certain events within in the triliogy its self let alone being able to change shepards appearance and sex and if they only wanted shepard to be their shepard they wouldn'
t have given us optional choices from the start and make shepard do what every other action hero or rpg character has done being completely automated like in call of duty final fantasy and many other games where the hero automaticlly is setup to do whatever without any real player input other then kill the enemy and advance to the next level

[LiarasShield]

so yes am I royally pissed off that the key element that made this series great and made it feel like shepard was our shepard or us for that matter being taken away in the final minutes of the games beyond justt the plot holes and the broken logic oh hell yes

Modifié par LiarasShield, 22 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[jcmccorm]

I think I'm able to draw a parallel between my feelings towards Mass Effect and another franchise. This one will be a little left field and first, but stick with me.

Garfield was pretty awesome. Comic, cartoon, merchandise. He was popular. But in the end where you find out that he's just a starving cat and that all of his friends and adventures were totally made up, it was supposed to celebrate imagination. But in the end, it was just depressing. "Everything you know is fake and pointless." I simply didn't want to see Garfield ANYTHING after that. They killed the emotional attachment to the franchise.

More or less, same thing here. I'm holding out a 5% chance that they'll deliver something that'll undo the damage. If they manage to pull it off, I couldn't be happier. But I'm just not eager about Mass Effect anymore. Sad and unfortunate.

[ed87]

Graius wrote...


Let's not liken this to a Picasso. Picasso's work has a technical adeptness, philosophical and internal consistency that this ending sorely lacked.  You may subjectively dislike a Picasso, but objectively speaking his art is coherent, consistent and makes sense in its context.  You can respect it without liking it. The problem with this ending though is that it falls apart at the objective level, rather than simply being unpopular as a matter of taste.

I think Bioware are having a hard time wrapping their heads around that, which is normal i guess.

I was the top art student back in high school, but years later after looking at all my work i cant help but see all the flaws and things i could have done better. At the time, i would have been defensive like Bioware.

[LiarasShield]

well just being defensive isn't gonna make anyone win really....

[Jackal7713]

I wonder how many false tweets the Bioware staff will make about the EC? If you noticed the tweets coming from the staff at Bioware, it seems they are doing the same thing they did at pre-launch.

[LiarasShield]

For making your own personal stories for mass effect or making the ending make sense and less plot holes you can create your fan made stories of mass effect here

www.fanfiction.net

[Ericus]

Archonsg wrote...

But that is just it. Synthesis does not in any way broker peace. What it does is make every single being in the Galaxy, a single race, technological singularity, but it does not change ideas, ideaology, religion, prejudices.

 

This exact issue has been bugging me about the Synthesis ending right from the moment the starchild mentioned it.  If the starchild is just some simplistic AI (less advanced than EDI or the Geth), I suppose we could accept that it's programming is limited to seeing & addressing organic vs. synthetic conflicts.  But as we see with the genophage (let alone the real world), organics are more than capable of wiping each other out due to "ideas, ideaology, religion, prejudices." 

Goes back to the core issue that the ending gets the entire theme of the ME saga confused...