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[mooney6023]

pharsti wrote...

I still do not understand why it is developers seem to be immune to laws such as fraud, is there any explanation for that at least. Honestly curious, reading about it on the internet right now, but ultimately, someone might know and give me a summary XD

Lol, no offense, but they are immune for the same reason George R. R. Martin is immune, it's art.

[xPandaHunterx]

 Unfortunately, I don't think that there is so much a debate about the ending as there is a crushing weight of depression brought on by broken promises.

I don't even know what happened. It all happened so quickly. 

I was watching the greatest Space Opera of my Generation unfold (I will go as far to say better than Star Wars) and then Bioware jumped out of my TV, and just punched me 3 times right in the gut. As I was on the floor, gasping for breath, they turned turned around and said, "We've got your money, ****!" then kicked me right in the nads, and jumped back into the screen.

Then they jumped back out and said, "By the way, next month, you're going to give us more and buy DLC."

The Nerve...<_<

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

maddlarkin wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

 Mr. Priestly,


As so many of the posts before me state, the entire game was truly the best, most exciting, well-designed video game experience I have ever played. It really was the best. Better than Mass Effect 2. Better than Halo:Reach. A lost better than Skyrim. Every thing from dialogue to action, it was superb.


But, as this thread clearly shows, the ending was just terrible. I'll keep this part short; if the fans (and I think I speak for mos of us) want a typical, "happy" ending with Shepard and his/her Love Interest reuniting and committing to each other forever, than please just give us that option. I don't expect it for everyone, but if so many of us want it, then please, make it possible.


While I personally want to be able to see Shepard and Tali building their house on Rannoch together, I would be more than satisfied seeing the two united at the end, with no more danger, and simply hearing them say "Hey, we did it together. Now we can finally be together without worrying about Reapers" or something along those lines.


Thanks for listening


Kristofer R

Well said,I can't put it any better.

Bioware please think if you continue this PR spin you will lose a lot of fans and that will mean you lose a lot of money.  Please think about the future of your company.

As long as it take we will hold the line and if you don't fix this other companies that compete with you will be getting our money in future.

I would also like to add in additon to this, an ending which makes some semblence of sense, where a mythical star child, never before mentioned shows up to punch massive plot holes in everything you've created, a game where you can win, where the Reapers aren't simply tools of another being never previously mentioned and finally an ending which you will do market reserch on and actually take the views of the people who play it, not simply rely on the massive egos of the writers and producers that they can do no wrong, I don't want ending DLC that will be equally bad and we have to do all this again 3 months from now

Oh and by the way if the goal of this ending was not to be resolution of the series but rather as Mark Walters hand written flow chart and Casey Hudsons ill thought comments implied instead to create speculation then I also expect a public apology from Bioware to the fans for failing to deliver what you have promised and exploiting your fan base!

I expect more then that I expect my $80.  i only got the game because they lied.  We need a new set of laws that gives us the right to go to court against game makers who lie to get our money.

Bioware is guilty of fraud plane and simple and ina world that had a perfect justice system they would either have to give us our money back or someone would go to jail.

Bioware and Ea are not getting another cent from me and the first good weather we have I am buring all their products I have ever paid money for.

Never let these crooks see another cent of your money.  Sur e they ar elaughing now but where will they be in a year or two when Ea starts slashing their budgets and firing people because they are not producing the kind of sales Ea wants?

we have the power here we don't have to give them our money.

16 endind that relect your choices my foot!

HOLD THE FLIPPING LINE!

[Xerkysz]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

@Xerkysz: I am truly happy you enjoyed the endings.

Feel free to theorize all you want, but this is not about Indoctrination theories any more.
This is about a company so stuck in it's ways they don't see what is happening. The time to stop is now... not later... it could actually be too late already. This whole issue have gone too far.

Don't think for a minute that this haven't reached EA heads at this point.

Facts are there, play through the game, don't be lazy, take notes, figure it out yourself, stop being moronic, and it is about indoc, as everyone wants new endings, yet they are too blind with rage that they didn't get the ending they wanted (Because it's not the end of the game yet...) to realise that BioWare indoctrinated them because they are too lazy to figure it out for themselves, they don't listen to the people telling them that, with all facts present, but if BioWare said it, by god they would all bow down. 

Stop being idiotic lazy morons and wake up. (Goes for the entire community)

And with saying this, it's 6am, I must sleep.
Enjoy being Husks!

If you have been paying attention you would have seen I actually know this already. I am talking about real life issues here, like business wise. This is beyond the actual game now. I am talking corporate issues. They are killing their own creation.

No sir, the idiotic consumer base is killing the creation because they are too lazy/stupid to think outside the box and do a little reading/research.
BioWare have stated that they have plans, but are not releasing them yet. In otherwords, sit the **** back, shut the **** up, and watch what happens.

[LyletheBloody]

It is hard to believe Casey Hudson was able to say the A, B, C endings line with a straight face. Chris... thanks for acknowledging us... the sooner the better as you know.

[Zofiya]

Chris Priestly wrote...
In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

My favourite moment was when Shepard turned to Star Child and told him to shut up, then ordered the fleet to take down the Reapers, while she made a suicidal end-run to the AI core to kill Star Child, ultimately sacrificing herself, but leaving the Reapers without a leader, and in such disarray that they were, as an old human saying goes, "fish in a barrel". Even though it was sad, the epilogue scenes were very moving, and her sacrifice seemed worthwhile.

After that, my favourite moment was probably the end of ME1, when the Council chambers are covered in rubble, Anderson finds your squad mates, and they just shake their heads -- then Shepard climbs up, rising like a phoenix, all, "hey, guys, miss me?" That scene resonates with hope. For me, it remains the defining moment of the Mass Effect series; my heart swells just thinking about it.

[118Cashmore]

Chris Priestly wrote...
In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

The Suicide mission in mass effect 2, its the only game which has my heart in my mouth every time i play...

PS. Crappy endings aside, Thank you Bioware, thank you for making this series, its one of the greatest gaming experiences i have ever had...<3

[zr0iq]

Favorite Moments:

Tali getting drunk.

Grunt: "I am out of ammo."

So whom do I have to write to get answers concerning the "plot holes" in the endings.

[JulienJaden]

LeNK T wrote...

 no  DLC with normal ending? now torrent edition only bioware...you are master of trolling 90lvl.
thanks al ot

Torrent brings up an interesting point: If this was the actual ending, I think that those fans who still want to play future Bioware games but don't want to pay money, just to get an insultingly bad ending again, might just resort to piracy. And I couldn't even blame them for it, really.

[Golferguy758]

Man the level of level of class trolling is off the charts. Boar you have earned your phd in trolling. I mean that in a good way

[TheRealMithril]

Xerkysz wrote...


No sir, the idiotic consumer base is killing the creation because they are too lazy/stupid to think outside the box and do a little reading/research.
BioWare have stated that they have plans, but are not releasing them yet. In otherwords, sit the **** back, shut the **** up, and watch what happens.

That is sooo way out of line.

[jb1983]

If I ignore the ending, the game was captivating. Every part of it really got me involved.

My favorite moment, however, was on my first play-through with Liara as a love interest. The last moment spent with her before battle was perfect, fit the scene, fit what they had been through over all three games, and so on.

My two "least" favorite moments were when I decided to execute Mordin and Legion. Not that this was bad writing on the part of Bioware - the writing on those two scenes was so good that I was tempted to revert to a previous save because I felt so God-awful about doing what I did. That's fantastic writing when you make me feel that way about a video game.

In other words, some of the best written moments I've had in this series came in the third game. Yet I rank it lower than the other two games. Some ending DLC would fix that. 

Now about the ending (notice it's singular and not plural)...

Modifié par jb1983, 15 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[BrianWilly]

99% of the game was legitimately one of the best games I ever played.  I absolutely loved the characterizations and interactions throughout.  The Thane and Mordin moments stand out to me as being pretty damn awesome.

And then we get to the ending -- yes, ending, singular, not plural -- and it's like I was playing a completely different game.

The "destroy" ending was like the game forgot that it made the Geth good guys.

The "control" ending was like the game forgot that it made the Illusive Man a bad guy. (You just spent the ENTIRE GAME thinking that TIM was balls to the walls insane for wanting to control the Reapers. Oops, nope, turns out he was totally right, shoulda listened to him instead of talking him down from it three minutes ago!)

The "synthesis" ending was like the game just forgot.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 15 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

 Unfortunately, I don't think that there is so much a debate about the ending as there is a crushing weight of depression brought on by broken promises.

I don't even know what happened. It all happened so quickly. 

I was watching the greatest Space Opera of my Generation unfold (I will go as far to say better than Star Wars) and then Bioware jumped out of my TV, and just punched me 3 times right in the gut. As I was on the floor, gasping for breath, they turned turned around and said, "We've got your money, ****!" then kicked me right in the nads, and jumped back into the screen.

Then they jumped back out and said, "By the way, next month, you're going to give us more and buy DLC."

The Nerve...<_<

yeah no way are they ever getting a cent from me again.  Be sure to send those letters on saturday and please start boycotting Ea and send them letters two.  Maybe we can't get our money back but if this starts to hurt sales Ea will have to either make them corect it and make the game less of an out and out fraud or someone will get fired in the end.

Where are out 16 ending?!

HOLD THE LINE!

[Erethrian]

Xerkysz wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

@Xerkysz: I am truly happy you enjoyed the endings.

Feel free to theorize all you want, but this is not about Indoctrination theories any more.
This is about a company so stuck in it's ways they don't see what is happening. The time to stop is now... not later... it could actually be too late already. This whole issue have gone too far.

Don't think for a minute that this haven't reached EA heads at this point.

Facts are there, play through the game, don't be lazy, take notes, figure it out yourself, stop being moronic, and it is about indoc, as everyone wants new endings, yet they are too blind with rage that they didn't get the ending they wanted (Because it's not the end of the game yet...) to realise that BioWare indoctrinated them because they are too lazy to figure it out for themselves, they don't listen to the people telling them that, with all facts present, but if BioWare said it, by god they would all bow down. 

Stop being idiotic lazy morons and wake up. (Goes for the entire community)

And with saying this, it's 6am, I must sleep.
Enjoy being Husks!

If you have been paying attention you would have seen I actually know this already. I am talking about real life issues here, like business wise. This is beyond the actual game now. I am talking corporate issues. They are killing their own creation.

No sir, the idiotic consumer base is killing the creation because they are too lazy/stupid to think outside the box and do a little reading/research.
BioWare have stated that they have plans, but are not releasing them yet. In otherwords, sit the **** back, shut the **** up, and watch what happens.

Well, I read somewhere that they're not releasing post-ending dlcs... Where's my closure, what they promised me, now?

[Squadrito]

Please rise for the Bioware National Anthem...

[Crimson Fluf]

This article explains all of my frustrations with the ending of Mass Effect.
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[pharsti]

Wait... its art so it cant be fraud >_>?

Geez.... thats an amazing loophole if true, i mean, pretty sure the sales wouldnt have been so good if people knew all they said was a lie, thats fraud as far as im concerned.

The way things are going, with dlc and what not, its just downhill.

[LelianaHawke]

Best bit: being able to reunite with Kelly Chambers and have a proper romance with her.

Worst bit: Having that all undone from afar by the citadel ending and Shepard saying nothing about it. It felt like there was a lot of railroading into a 'Shepard only cares about Liara' type thing. There were two chances to save her life in the series and it only ultimately failed in some silly Deus Ex Machina ending where all choice was removed.

But the real slap in the face was the holocall conversation where Shepard could choose to contact friends throughout the galaxy but not make enquiries as to Kelly's whereabouts.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 15 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[FOX216BC]

don't forget to vote
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par FOX216BC, 15 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[MaskedJ man]

I think the part I like the most is when Bioware indoctrinated nearly their entire fan base. This could either be the most crappy half-assed writing in the history of ways to end video games, or writing of sheer genius. I just really hope it's the latter.

[upsettingshorts]

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Quick, deflect the topic to something positive!

...yeah, we're not stupid, you know?
Don't give us this "We don't want to spoil things for people who aren't done BS.  How about a straight answer about where all the many and varied endings we were promised went?

Honestly, I think their deciding that BIG CHOICES were needed at the end - and indeed advertising the presence of them - contributed to this.

We didn't need choice there.  We had tons of choice throughout the first 3 games up until that point.  The whole series has been leading up to us defeating the Reapers.

JUST HAVE US DEFEAT THE REAPERS.  

Maybe how many people survive will depend on our choice of war assets, but the very end didn't need a choice.  It needed a resolution.

[jlemtman]

Kamacc wrote...

jlemtman wrote...

No matter how it ended, I left the Krogan cured, reunited the Quarians and the Geth, and stopped the Reaper threat. When I reached the point to choose, I would have destroyed them but that would have also destroyed the Geth (who were my allies) and EDI. There was also the chance that the cycle would begin again. Controling them could also start the cycle again if the the control failed. So I chose synthesis. This choice ended the war, kept (mostly) everyone alive, and allowed everyone to evolve. 

I am really happy you managed to end up believing everyone survived. Most people got the feeling that everyone died, I certainly did. I died to kill most of the galaxy and strand my friends on a planet without technology 

Why would you assume everyone died? The relays and the citadel were destroyed not the other ships. The humans fighting on Earth weren't vaporized and the Normandy could be repaired.

[Plasma Prestige]

 Thanks for making this Chris, it is appreciated. While I am incredibly frustrated with the ending of the game, I have not considered even for a moment that you would completely ignore it, or else all of my efforts on this forum would have not occurred. I expected as much that it is too early right now, and a response should be given in the coming weeks rather than now to avoid spoiling the game for others who haven't finished it yet.

As for your query, I enjoyed the great majority of Mass Effect 3 up until the ending. In fact, the game would have been a masterpiece if it ended better. The characters I have been with for the past several years were incredible in this final installment. The game evokes many genuine emotions throughout: I laughed hard, I choked up, I yelled in childish excitement, and I felt like what I was doing for the past several games is culminating as I ran toward the Conduit on Earth.

Unfortunately, everything thereafter ended the good experience into one of confusion and frustration. I hope it is somehow addressed. I don't want you guys to give up your artistic vision, but I do want the ending to feel like I'm making a choice and getting a sense of closure.