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[bengolly]

Thanatos144 wrote...

People it has been a couple of months now........All 12 of you have been just repeating yourselves for weeks. By all 12 I mean the 12 that seem to do nothing but post here continuously. I think Bioware is aware of your beef with the game and has told you their answer with the extended cut. You guys are like hamsters in a wheel you keep running but are going nowhere. Hell I moved on. Got a new game for my 40th and have been playing that. Still playing ME but you know what I can wait.

If you've moved on then why are you posting here?

If we want to reiterate a point so Bioware understands the rancor they created, what is that to you?

Go play with yourself and let us have a discussion.

[3DandBeyond]

I'm going to just say that the longer this is an issue that remains debated and out there, the higher the slim possibility that future releases of any and all Bioware games will increase and/or maintain their quality.

I will say it again, companies today are racing to the bottom. They are trying to find the place where you will stop buying their products. That means they must find what is the absolute minimum quality you will purchase for the maximum amount of money you pay out.

If you say that something is just absolutely wonderful, they will assume you are not paying enough or that you are getting too much for what you are paying. They also interpret silence this way. You bought it, maybe don't like it, don't talk about it, shelve it and move on. They are not convinced that the next time around, quality of this magnitude should be maintained, but they encourage and pay for hype so you will buy part 2.

When you buy part 2, they may lose you as a customer, but they will have replaced you with someone else, and continue the cycle for the next 50k years.

Every time you just sit quietly in the face of something you bought that does not meet your quality standards, then you reinforce this business model. They must not only maintain a profit, but to be relevant to their investors, they must increase their profits continually. It's the Walmart effect.

If they could possibly get you to buy a blank disk and tell you that you just don't understand what it's trying to say they would. After all, people are so satisfied with watching "Jersey Shore" and all the brain candy that's out there, why on Earth would they think we'd care about a silly video game.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Archonsg]

ghost9191 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

Bioware,

I have not finished your game - at least, not exactly. I came very close though.

In almost 3 whole games I saved lives, kept my team alive, fought the good fight and through Shepard, refused to just give up and accept fate, as it were.

And then I got to the end and was asked to make the "impossible choice". A: Kill the Geth and allow the Quarians to die because their suits are synthetic tech. B: Control the Geth after only JUST giving them individuality or C: Make everyone Organic/Synthetic because the past 50 hours were a lie.

I took option D. I turned it off. My Shepard would never make any of those choices. Mine would throw their war assets at the wall. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

You cannot blame your disenfranchised fans for fighting so hard for what they believe in... After all, it was Shepard who taught them how to.

Definitely.
All three choices were not only illogical to start with, IF ANY ONE TOOK THE TIME TO THINK WHAT EACH MEANS, they are all choices that Shepard would not as a person make.
Hard choices you say Bioware? No, not really. If those were the only three choices, Shepard would not have chosen any of them. 

1) Control but lose your identity / self / die? Why would you care if organics live or die if your mind / being of self isn't Shepard anymore. This option could work though, BUT Only if we see Shepard control the reapers long enough to fly them all into the Sun, if it was fleshed out more, not as it stands in the current ending. And it should be one of the "bad, you didn't have enough resources ending"

2) Destroy and betray your friends and people you work so hard to broker a peace, help learn what a soul is, help to learn the meaning of love? Not to mention what most people don't pick up, the star-child SPECIFICALLY SAYS MOST TECHNOLOGY will be destroyed. No manufacturing plants to make manufacturing plants, no computers, essentially anything smarter then your bread toaster gets fried. Hello technological winter holocaust. 

3) Synthesis. Star Child dodges the question when Shepard asks, "Will there be peace?" It was a simple "yes / no" question. Instead the Star child answers "The cycle will end." Which is to say "I am not going to answer that, but we'll stop killing you for now, 50,000 years later, who knows?" 
That and the fact that you just genetically raped and robbed everyone of thier evolutionary future.

just putting this out there but for the destroy ending, the star child says destroy all synthetic life. Pretty sure it means synthetics that are alive which doesnt include vi's or technology, things like the geth and reapers. not once does he say all technology is bye bye

You were saying?
Youtube: What the kid said exactly

And read my post again. I said MOST TECHNOLOGY. 
The exact words were " .... including the Geth, and most of the technology you rely on."
 
You know you could have CHECKED the scene on youtube before putting your foot in your mouth right?

Modifié par Archonsg, 27 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

People it has been a couple of months now........All 12 of you have been just repeating yourselves for weeks. By all 12 I mean the 12 that seem to do nothing but post here continuously. I think Bioware is aware of your beef with the game and has told you their answer with the extended cut. You guys are like hamsters in a wheel you keep running but are going nowhere. Hell I moved on. Got a new game for my 40th and have been playing that. Still playing ME but you know what I can wait.

You actually never have a constructive thought, do you?  If you don't like this thread, then why read or post here? And guess what that means?  You haven't moved on, if you had you would no longer be here acting in such an immature manner.  We "get" it, everything's rosey for you.  But if it was, you wouldn't be here.

We can multi-task, proving humans have an amazing capacity for lots of things.  And, I'm not saying don't post here, but for once can you add something to the discussion rather than always acting so condescending.  You aren't better than us, you are different from us, so quit acting like you think you are better.  Please.

Oh and for the record it's been about a month and a half since the game came out.  Some didn't get it right away and some don't have the money to spend on a lot of other games.  This may have been what they were waiting to spend their money on and they "blew" it on the CE or even just the standard version.  So sorry their expression of disdain has interrupted your perfect life.

It was a statment.

[Archonsg]

3DandBeyond wrote...

If they could possibly get you to buy a blank disk and tell you that you just don't understand what it's trying to say they would. After all, people are so satisfied with watching "Jersey Shore" and all the brain candy that's out there, why on Earth would they think we'd care about a silly video game.

I Blame "Bay Watch." 
If you have Eye Candy, you don't need a story.

[Thanatos144]

bengolly wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

People it has been a couple of months now........All 12 of you have been just repeating yourselves for weeks. By all 12 I mean the 12 that seem to do nothing but post here continuously. I think Bioware is aware of your beef with the game and has told you their answer with the extended cut. You guys are like hamsters in a wheel you keep running but are going nowhere. Hell I moved on. Got a new game for my 40th and have been playing that. Still playing ME but you know what I can wait.

If you've moved on then why are you posting here?

If we want to reiterate a point so Bioware understands the rancor they created, what is that to you?

Go play with yourself and let us have a discussion.

because I check my email.......I haven posted here in a while. I have given up showing commonsense to most of you so I am now just observing the aburdness that unfolds here.

[ghost9191]

Archonsg wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

Bioware,

I have not finished your game - at least, not exactly. I came very close though.

In almost 3 whole games I saved lives, kept my team alive, fought the good fight and through Shepard, refused to just give up and accept fate, as it were.

And then I got to the end and was asked to make the "impossible choice". A: Kill the Geth and allow the Quarians to die because their suits are synthetic tech. B: Control the Geth after only JUST giving them individuality or C: Make everyone Organic/Synthetic because the past 50 hours were a lie.

I took option D. I turned it off. My Shepard would never make any of those choices. Mine would throw their war assets at the wall. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

You cannot blame your disenfranchised fans for fighting so hard for what they believe in... After all, it was Shepard who taught them how to.

Definitely.
All three choices were not only illogical to start with, IF ANY ONE TOOK THE TIME TO THINK WHAT EACH MEANS, they are all choices that Shepard would not as a person make.
Hard choices you say Bioware? No, not really. If those were the only three choices, Shepard would not have chosen any of them. 

1) Control but lose your identity / self / die? Why would you care if organics live or die if your mind / being of self isn't Shepard anymore. This option could work though, BUT Only if we see Shepard control the reapers long enough to fly them all into the Sun, if it was fleshed out more, not as it stands in the current ending. And it should be one of the "bad, you didn't have enough resources ending"

2) Destroy and betray your friends and people you work so hard to broker a peace, help learn what a soul is, help to learn the meaning of love? Not to mention what most people don't pick up, the star-child SPECIFICALLY SAYS MOST TECHNOLOGY will be destroyed. No manufacturing plants to make manufacturing plants, no computers, essentially anything smarter then your bread toaster gets fried. Hello technological winter holocaust. 

3) Synthesis. Star Child dodges the question when Shepard asks, "Will there be peace?" It was a simple "yes / no" question. Instead the Star child answers "The cycle will end." Which is to say "I am not going to answer that, but we'll stop killing you for now, 50,000 years later, who knows?" 
That and the fact that you just genetically raped and robbed everyone of thier evolutionary future.

just putting this out there but for the destroy ending, the star child says destroy all synthetic life. Pretty sure it means synthetics that are alive which doesnt include vi's or technology, things like the geth and reapers. not once does he say all technology is bye bye

You were saying?
Youtube: What the kid said exactly

And read my post again. I said MOST TECHNOLOGY. 
The exact words were " .... including the Geth, and most of the technology you rely on."
 
You know you could have CHECKED the scene on youtube before putting your foot in your mouth right?

didnt edit it, like i said he said synthetic life, google the word. and i just did the end on mine again to be sure i wasnt, he says you can wipe out all synthetic life even the geth, even you are partly synthetic. but he doesnt say and most of the technology. put time into the game and get your ems higher.

You know you couldhave CHECKED the scene on youtube before putting your fooot in your mouth right?

Modifié par ghost9191, 27 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I'm going to just say that the longer this is an issue that remains debated and out there, the higher the slim possibility that future releases of any and all Bioware games will increase and/or maintain their quality.

I will say it again, companies today are racing to the bottom. They are trying to find the place where you will stop buying their products. That means they must find what is the absolute minimum quality you will purchase for the maximum amount of money you pay out.

If you say that something is just absolutely wonderful, they will assume you are not paying enough or that you are getting too much for what you are paying. They also interpret silence this way. You bought it, maybe don't like it, don't talk about it, shelve it and move on. They are not convinced that the next time around, quality of this magnitude should be maintained, but they encourage and pay for hype so you will buy part 2.

When you buy part 2, they may lose you as a customer, but they will have replaced you with someone else, and continue the cycle for the next 50k years.

Every time you just sit quietly in the face of something you bought that does not meet your quality standards, then you reinforce this business model. They must not only maintain a profit, but to be relevant to their investors, they must increase their profits continually. It's the Walmart effect.

If they could possibly get you to buy a blank disk and tell you that you just don't understand what it's trying to say they would. After all, people are so satisfied with watching "Jersey Shore" and all the brain candy that's out there, why on Earth would they think we'd care about a silly video game.

You truly don't grasp it yet do you? You asked for something and Bioware
gave you something. It wasn't what you wanted.......so what?You learn a life lesson that you don't always get what you want.

[ghost9191]

not denying that tech can be wiped out, but if you get your ems high enough by going with destroy it only destroys synthetic life, still sucks was just putting that out there

[Archonsg]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

People it has been a couple of months now........All 12 of you have been just repeating yourselves for weeks. By all 12 I mean the 12 that seem to do nothing but post here continuously. I think Bioware is aware of your beef with the game and has told you their answer with the extended cut. You guys are like hamsters in a wheel you keep running but are going nowhere. Hell I moved on. Got a new game for my 40th and have been playing that. Still playing ME but you know what I can wait.

You actually never have a constructive thought, do you?  If you don't like this thread, then why read or post here? And guess what that means?  You haven't moved on, if you had you would no longer be here acting in such an immature manner.  We "get" it, everything's rosey for you.  But if it was, you wouldn't be here.

We can multi-task, proving humans have an amazing capacity for lots of things.  And, I'm not saying don't post here, but for once can you add something to the discussion rather than always acting so condescending.  You aren't better than us, you are different from us, so quit acting like you think you are better.  Please.

Oh and for the record it's been about a month and a half since the game came out.  Some didn't get it right away and some don't have the money to spend on a lot of other games.  This may have been what they were waiting to spend their money on and they "blew" it on the CE or even just the standard version.  So sorry their expression of disdain has interrupted your perfect life.

I have tried before too, to see if he/she/it would look at reason but after reading numerous posts and the theme they are in, I have decided that his/her/its existance does not warrant my notice.
/ignore and let him/her/it make a fool of himself/herself/itself.

[MtOMajorCat0311]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I'm going to just say that the longer this is an issue that remains debated and out there, the higher the slim possibility that future releases of any and all Bioware games will increase and/or maintain their quality.

I will say it again, companies today are racing to the bottom. They are trying to find the place where you will stop buying their products. That means they must find what is the absolute minimum quality you will purchase for the maximum amount of money you pay out.

If you say that something is just absolutely wonderful, they will assume you are not paying enough or that you are getting too much for what you are paying. They also interpret silence this way. You bought it, maybe don't like it, don't talk about it, shelve it and move on. They are not convinced that the next time around, quality of this magnitude should be maintained, but they encourage and pay for hype so you will buy part 2.

When you buy part 2, they may lose you as a customer, but they will have replaced you with someone else, and continue the cycle for the next 50k years.

Every time you just sit quietly in the face of something you bought that does not meet your quality standards, then you reinforce this business model. They must not only maintain a profit, but to be relevant to their investors, they must increase their profits continually. It's the Walmart effect.

If they could possibly get you to buy a blank disk and tell you that you just don't understand what it's trying to say they would. After all, people are so satisfied with watching "Jersey Shore" and all the brain candy that's out there, why on Earth would they think we'd care about a silly video game.

You truly don't grasp it yet do you? You asked for something and Bioware
gave you something. It wasn't what you wanted.......so what?You learn a life lesson that you don't always get what you want.

Wow, so your idea is to just sit there and take it.  Not the way I was raised.  When you are sold something you are unhappy with, you stand up and tell folks what is what or you will always be taking it in the shorts.  You may not always get what you want, but it is foolish to think that will improve by doing nothing about it.  It is called standing up for yourself, and not settling for "just good enough".  Not a very pleasant way to go through life.

Modifié par MtOMajorCat0311, 27 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

People it has been a couple of months now........All 12 of you have been just repeating yourselves for weeks. By all 12 I mean the 12 that seem to do nothing but post here continuously. I think Bioware is aware of your beef with the game and has told you their answer with the extended cut. You guys are like hamsters in a wheel you keep running but are going nowhere. Hell I moved on. Got a new game for my 40th and have been playing that. Still playing ME but you know what I can wait.

You actually never have a constructive thought, do you?  If you don't like this thread, then why read or post here? And guess what that means?  You haven't moved on, if you had you would no longer be here acting in such an immature manner.  We "get" it, everything's rosey for you.  But if it was, you wouldn't be here.

We can multi-task, proving humans have an amazing capacity for lots of things.  And, I'm not saying don't post here, but for once can you add something to the discussion rather than always acting so condescending.  You aren't better than us, you are different from us, so quit acting like you think you are better.  Please.

Oh and for the record it's been about a month and a half since the game came out.  Some didn't get it right away and some don't have the money to spend on a lot of other games.  This may have been what they were waiting to spend their money on and they "blew" it on the CE or even just the standard version.  So sorry their expression of disdain has interrupted your perfect life.

I have tried before too, to see if he/she/it would look at reason but after reading numerous posts and the theme they are in, I have decided that his/her/its existance does not warrant my notice.
/ignore and let him/her/it make a fool of himself/herself/itself.

Really? First I am male.....Second I have reapeatedly answered your absurd posts with tact and respect. Third you cionsistantly ignore them or try to brush them off cause it doesnt follow you narrow view of things.

Maybe just maybe you want to not lie about me.

Do you notice me now?

[Thanatos144]

Have fun guys Time for me to earn a living.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 27 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[ghost9191]

yay put Archonsg in his place, my work is down /. joke =0

listening to customers constructive criticism is how companies fix things, which is why ppl are here . we care for the company and game and hope to make it better

[feelthebloodrage]

To me the only flaw which doesn't make sense is how with each option you choose at the end of Mass effect 3 the relays are destroyed when in the Mass Effect 2 dlc which lead to the beginning of Mass Effect 3 a chain reaction caused by a destroyed relay wiped out an entire star system killing millions of Batarians leading Shepard being back on earth on trial for being a war criminal. So at the end of Mass Effect 3 according to theory the cataclysmic event of relays exploding should have wiped out pretty much every star system with a relay in the galaxy... In indoctrination theory if choosing the renegade option is Shepard overcoming indoctrination and destroying the reapers since the relays are destroyed the reapers goal is still accomplished so either case the universe is destroyed. There doesn't seem to be any real winning.

Modifié par feelthebloodrage, 27 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[ghost9191]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Have guys Time for me to earn a living.

keep fighting the good fight man

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

It is hard for me to believe that the same guys at bioware who created amazing scenes like these






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UribxbLt2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3--U05e7k8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtjXSyVG6vs


How can the same guys that worked on these amazing scenes throughout the game jsut lose it all or make a completely plot hole illogical ending the way they did after all the stuff they did right it just is baffling to me

yeah thanatos hasn't seen really one decent logical problem we have pointed out and just seems to keep being condescending towards other fans and he keeps saying hes moved on with his life but then why are you posting and trying to ****** off other fans if that was the case not only that but if you love the ending then why are you specfically commenting in a thread about people who don't like the ending and can explain the plot holes and the reasons why they don't like it if you have a problem simply go post in other forums but you really need to quit acting like you're better then everyone else because your not

[ghost9191]

feelthebloodrage wrote...

To me the only flaw which doesn't make sense is how with each option you choose at the end of Mass effect 3 the relays are destroyed when in the Mass Effect 2 dlc which lead to the beginning of Mass Effect 3 a chain reaction caused by a destroyed relay wiped out an entire star system killing millions of Batarians leading Shepard being back on earth on trial for being a war criminal. So at the end of Mass Effect 3 according to theory the cataclysmic event of relays exploding should have wiped out pretty much every star system with a relay in the galaxy... In indoctrination theory if choosing the renegade option is Shepard overcoming indoctrination and destroying the reapers since the relays are destroyed the reapers goal is still accomplished so either case the universe is destroyed. I maybe wrong but there doesn't seem to be any real winning.

well i personally (and could be wrong) think it sends out a shockwave that was like the first one sent out from the citadel, doesnt destroy the system and only affects the reapers. unless you have a 1400 ems or whatever and go with destroy. but all we can do is grasp at straws and hope for the best seeing as they didnt offer any explanations!

[LiarasShield]

if you keep trying to insinuate a problem you will be reported soon

[LiarasShield]

He just wants to ****** off other people I just don't really see a need for it

[ghost9191]

who? thanatos or me? i doubt i am immportant enough to have been noticed and i wasnt really trying to start a problem but i was the last one to talk so just making sure its not me lol:mellow:

Modifié par ghost9191, 27 avril 2012 - 04:33 .

[LiarasShield]

the fans and the people that are for this thread that is who

[LiarasShield]

thanatos not you ghost

[Archonsg]

ghost9191 wrote...


didnt edit it, like i said he said synthetic life, google the word. and i just did the end on mine again to be sure i wasnt, he says you can wipe out all synthetic life even the geth, even you are partly synthetic. but he doesnt say and most of the technology. put time into the game and get your ems higher.

You know you couldhave CHECKED the scene on youtube before putting your fooot in your mouth right?

Ahh so we were both right. 
Hmnns.
So, what then do you take it to mean when it said "...even you are partly syntethic."
Wouldn't that mean the Quarians who are part cybernetic die as well?
What about patients with implants, or with synthetic parts?
The signal that goes out, must have an arbitary "line" that detects "this is syntethic, this is not" yes? Or does it just look for EZO signatures and fries anything that uses EZO? 

Seriously, even though your "higher" ems version might not say it in so many words, but if you stop and think, doesn't it comes back to the same thing? "You are partly synthetic" ... meaning Shepard's medical implants. Meaning tech at a certain level, yes? Anything at that level and above goes bye bye, don't you agree?

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...
You truly don't grasp it yet do you? You asked for something and Bioware
gave you something. It wasn't what you wanted.......so what?You learn a life lesson that you don't always get what you want.

Gee, thanks so much.  I needed you to tell me that.  For the record, I am probably old enough to be your mother.  I have worked in jobs where I have talked people down from committing suicide.  I have worked in jobs where I have debrided the wounds of real people, one being the gaping chest wound of a man who tried to bear the pain so he could be brave for me and where I saw the brain matter of a young man run out of his nose because he'd been hit in the head by a factory fan..  I have worked in jobs where I had to comfort the parents of a 16 year old boy, who was driving a car and was killed.  I had to try and tell these parents (the father had broken his hand by slamming it through a wall) that they could somehow still go on.

I have worked a job where I had to listen, helplessly on the phone as an intruder raped and killed a young woman that was seeking help, before help could arrive.

I have buried both my parents (gave my dying father mouth to mouth resusitation, had my mother die before my eyes, and dealt with the suicide of my sister) and somehow had to figure how to still get up in the morning.  I have cared for a family friend who died of lung cancer and watched as she tried to talk to the dead through a television remote.

I live with the most gentle soul in the feline world, and the wisest-an animal that I found the week my mother passed away.  I convinced myself that she came to me when I needed her the most.  I now must sit and try to deal with the fact she has 2 inoperable brain tumors, and deal with the hurt in my heart that one day this wise soul will leave me all too soon.

I have dealt with physical abuse at the hands of an older brother who beat me because I looked at him.

I have helped friends who have had family members that contemplated suicide and found relief that in some small way I may have indeed helped stave off such decisions.

I have helped raise my brother's children and watched with pride their growth into adulthood and anguished over struggles along the way.  And many of these things I have done while sacrificing the life I might have had-though I never have shared that concern with anyone along the way.  I gave up having my own children.  I gave up much, but got so much more in return.

So, yes I do need you to tell me that I may not always get what I want.  I have had a really hard time figuring that out.  Thank you so much for consistently coming on here and telling us all we need to get a life, move on, accept the fact that we can't always get what we want.  I so cherish your wisdom and hope you will regale us with more along the way.  This is my "DUH" moment.