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[LiarasShield]

because if you did everyones loyalty mission and if you were bright and sent people that fit the occupation that you have them do they have a chance of everybody living if you were a moron didn't do the loyalty missions or upgrade your ships or make smart tactical decisions then everybody including shepard dies

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

yeah when has that been thanatos so far I have never seen that from you

Either way the circular logic with the catalyst who either says he created or controlls the reapers and saying all the created will repel against their creators does not make sense because the reapers who were created or controlled by the catalyst still commit the mass genocides that he wanted or impuned into the reapers and they haven't destroyed him or the citadel

The Geth never wanted to figh the quarians but did fight when they started to destroy their race and the geth only continued to fight them because of the reapers rewriting the geth code and network making the geth hostile towards the quarians and shepard again the logic doesn't work here cause the moment shepard breaks the reaper control and if shepard can convince the quarians to stop firing the geth will help rebuild rannoch with the quarians so the logic doesn't work because the geth want to help the quarians and the reapers have always been obedient of the catalyst up to this point


Yes are alot of us mad because shepard dies Indeed and yes I do feel that our choices or our perfomance doesn't matter indeed I do cause wether you play well or not it doesn't change anything you still get 3 illogical choices to either destroy the galaxy or the galactic community so even if the relay explosions don't destroy the entire galaxy all the races are stranded in the middle of space and will most likely starve to death and die or end up killing each other

And no they can't just use ftl to get back to their planets because ftl uses a extreme amount of fuel and without the fuel stations which were right by the relays if you played mass effect 2 are most likely gone so you can count ftl out and even if they do get close to their planet they wouldn't be able to descend onto their planet or make a good landing without fuel to pilot their ships so they can have the breaks work or so they won't crash landing into a firey ball of death and die

Are we mad that we don't get any closure with the characters we spent with for the last 5 years indeed am I mad that my war assets don't show up or that they don't affect the ending in any real way that the performance is me2 could have everyone live or die or somewhere inbetween because in this the performance doesn't matter because everyone will either be stranded in space and most likely die besides all the relays destroyed so they would be trapt near a dieing earth and not being able to go home

So in short performance doesn't mean anything cause everyone is still screwed and all forms of transportation are gone no matter what

[LiarasShield]

quoting again since I don't like resaying things but what you did and how you did it affect the ending in mass effect 2 in 3 it doesn't affect or do anything

[LiarasShield]

Doesn't matter how many forces you have or how many assets you get or how many people you have work on the crucible all the relays are still destroyed and everyone is stranded inspace doesn't matter how much preparation or stragety you used everybody is stranded inspace and will most likely die and though the good destroy ending is up in the air wether shepard did live or not they should at least have shepard be able to live for the players that worked their hardest and gave the best character performance like they did in mass effect 2 and how stragety and choices of what you do determnies how bad or how good the ending is

[LiarasShield]

they can still have shepard die and stuff if their wasn't good preperation or players werent using good stragety then of course that should stay in the game but for players who got near perfect on everything they did they should have a shot at least in the good destroy ending for shepard to reunite with his or her love interest and crew if the relays are rebuilt in thee extended

[LiarasShield]

Have ems and have readiness mean something have stragety and decision matter in the ending like it did in mass effect 2s ending in the collector base

[LiarasShield]

otherwise mass effect 3 is only good for multiplayer now since you can work your hardest and it still amounts to nothing but I guess multipplayer is good because I can share my concerns and issues with other fellow players while I get to play as a asari or krogan

[LiarasShield]

and again thantos your most likely reply is either you didn't get what you want or a entitlement statement and yes to what the casey hudson and other promised I think I'm entitled for them to keep their promises and for my 60 bucks to buy a product that does everything that they say it would do did we still get that a b c ending that they said wouldn't be in the game yes we did  did we get drastic different endings no because the animations for each scene is still the same besides the color of the explosion

Modifié par LiarasShield, 27 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[LKx]

So, in the end we are forced to eventually accept the starbrat's circular logic and assume that synthetics wiping out all organics is an inevitable truth (despite all the evolution and achievements we could have during ME2 and ME3 with EDI, Legion and Geths).
Let's bear with the catalyst's assumptions for a moment, and talk about the syntesis ending:

I can't understand what in the synthesis space magic is supposed to forbid the new hybrids to create pure synthetics, which (again, bearing with the catalyst's logic) will eventually wipe everything else.

"There no more organic and synthetic, just life" is not an answer. You just forced us to buy the assumption that the development of synthetics, which will wipe everything else from the existence, is an inevitable truth, you can't do a 180 turn and try to sell us the notion that it won't happen under synthesis.

Even if space magic made all materials half-organic (ouch, my house is alive!!), they could always just... err... synthesize synthetic materials eventually.

So, why the hell we should feel like the starchild gave us an actual solution, and how we should feel that we achieved something picking it (agan, if we just take for granted the catalyst's premises)?

[Benchpress610]

I don’t know why are we wasting time and brain cells with this…err guy. He is not interested in a rational discussion. He just wants to provoke and perhaps feel validated by the attention he is generating. He can’t be reason with. He can’t be bargain with. He absolutely won’t stop trolling. He says he’s moved on. I say: Bull…then why does he keep coming back?..... Just ignore him…

Modifié par Benchpress610, 27 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[LiarasShield]

I just don't see why thanatos can't see a core issue espically with character perfomance and stragetic decisions since he played mass effect 2 lol

[LiarasShield]

well my shepard reuniting with her liara would be awesome ^^

[LiarasShield]

but yes alot of you who played mass effect 2 and how stragety and decision affected the outcome wether everybody lives or dies or inbetween stil lshould've been kept for me3

[Jianni]

When I first joined this discussion after beating the game I thought I was disappointed by the lack of answers and general confusion that surrounds what actually happened at the end. Well, I am, but it took me time to realize that the confusion isn't really that big of deal.

I think this is, at the heart, what really bothers me:
The writers have said that this game was about concepts, organics vs. synthetics etc. This isn't what it was about at all to me. The intellectual aspects of the game were always there and always interesting, but that isn't why I loved this series so much. I loved this series because it had heart. It made me FEEL. During play and even while away from the game I have felt a wide range of emotions. Sadness, happiness, amusement, affection, RAGE, hope, despair, betrayal, sorrow. You made me feel these things with the quality of your art. The end abandons this almost in its entirety, going for a pure intellectual meaning.
If I could ask for one thing in the EC it wouldn't be about logic or sense, I find I am surprised to say. I want this ending to make me stand up and want to cry "VICTORY" or sit down and weep in sorrow. I want to FEEL the ending, and I want to feel like it is the end. Which I just doesn't right now.

It boggles my mind how you could have so completely left this out... here is just an example of what I am talking about. A friend of mine played through ME 1&2 casually. He got to the end of the Rannoch mission, selected the Geth, and watched Tali's suicide. He stood up, turned his game off for 2 days, then went back to play Mass Effect 2 again because he just could not accept that. He put 30 more hours into your game because you made a casual, A CASUAL, feel sick to his stomach through a game. A GAME! This is epic. You have the power to inspire people with this and I think you missed it by going for a deeper meaning and forgetting your heart. I know you can do this, you've done it to me and many of us here. This is what I want more than anyting else to redeem this to me.

Thanks.

*Edit: Oh and replayability is low due to lack of difference in the ending, I want to play again but dont want to go through all that for more of the same. Just a thought.

Modifié par Jianni, 27 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[Benchpress610]

I posted this yesterday. I'm posting again so more people from this thread have the opportunity to see it so they can go and make thieir opinoin count.

Benchpress610 wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted before, but there is a survey going on since yesterday about the whole ME3 experience including the ending. It’s a very comprehensive survey. I think we should make our opinion count. Here are the links.
 
BSN: http://social.biowar...ndex/11680086/1
 
Direct link: http://www.masseffec...ts--id-974.html
 
Go vote

Modifié par Benchpress610, 27 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[LiarasShield]

I don't think we would all be here either explaining the problems or the issues of the ending or fighting with one another wether the endings were great or not if we the fan didn't really love this series

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

People it has been a couple of months now........All 12 of you have been just repeating yourselves for weeks. By all 12 I mean the 12 that seem to do nothing but post here continuously. I think Bioware is aware of your beef with the game and has told you their answer with the extended cut. You guys are like hamsters in a wheel you keep running but are going nowhere. Hell I moved on. Got a new game for my 40th and have been playing that. Still playing ME but you know what I can wait.

Really?

1. learn how to count.
2. Some of us have a life and only get a few games a year we play.
3. I'm not going to say anything else to you, if you even deserve further consideration, it'd only get me banned for explaining how ignorant you are and how people who come into a forum and say:
"oh hi"  "you guys are all nubs" "ktxsbai" are just so unbelieveably .. belong in an alternate universe from the movie idiocracy.

My recommendation is that being your over the game and playing something else.. (why are you here) GO PLAY IT.
Obviously you don't care.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 27 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[LiarasShield]

I can't accept that nothing we do don't  matter just like I can't accept how choices and stragetic decision made everyone live or die on the collector base and then the pure amazing concept being completely ditched and just having us be a zombie that follows the catalyst flawed logic and then essentially destroy the very universe we have been fighting to save for all 3 games let alone shepard remaining the hero that he or she has always been and not just submitting to the reapers refuse should've been a option

Modifié par LiarasShield, 27 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[LiarasShield]

hell make me commander shepard or green screen me into the game I'll show how it should've been done lol and I would save the relays and the universe I fought for

[LiarasShield]

and you know what I can accept a tragic ending like this if it makes sense

[ghost9191]

well i just hope they do not waste time trying to fix the ending by clarifying what happened in the ending that some didn't like. make a alternate ending that you can purchase or freely download if you wish to have a different ending. i mean if they have listened to feedback like they say they are they should know that the only way to fix this is to re do the ending.

I hope the extended cut will help but i just don't see how expanding on a ending i already dislike with a passion will fix it for me. i would like to play through mass effect again without thinking about how the end is and why 89hours are gonna go to waste.

and does anyone know if there was a response to the whole thing about casey and walters being the only ones to work on the ending? or just silence?

[3DandBeyond]

Benchpress610 wrote...

I posted this yesterday. I'm posting again so more people from this thread have the opportunity to see it so they can go and make thieir opinoin count.

Benchpress610 wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted before, but there is a survey going on since yesterday about the whole ME3 experience including the ending. It’s a very comprehensive survey. I think we should make our opinion count. Here are the links.
 
BSN: http://social.biowar...ndex/11680086/1
 
Direct link: http://www.masseffec...ts--id-974.html
 
Go vote

Submitted.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[3DandBeyond]

ghost9191 wrote...

well i just hope they do not waste time trying to fix the ending by clarifying what happened in the ending that some didn't like. make a alternate ending that you can purchase or freely download if you wish to have a different ending. i mean if they have listened to feedback like they say they are they should know that the only way to fix this is to re do the ending.

I hope the extended cut will help but i just don't see how expanding on a ending i already dislike with a passion will fix it for me. i would like to play through mass effect again without thinking about how the end is and why 89hours are gonna go to waste.

and does anyone know if there was a response to the whole thing about casey and walters being the only ones to work on the ending? or just silence?

This is one, but not the only reason we still fervently discuss the topic.  They have officially said there will be no new ending and that the EC will only clarify things.  The ending has ruined the rest of the game and series.  I don't think it's salvageable with the star kid and all the rest unless they change a lot of what is said and "done".  But, even that causes problems because the kid doesn't fit with the game.  That whole segment and some of the game before it, after Harbinger hits Shepard is so out of context with everything else, that it does make some sense to consider it a hallucination, a dream or indoctrination.  However, I would worry to have such psychotic hallucinations, illogical dreams, and would pray for indoctrination if that happened to me.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[LiarasShield]

Hell even as sad as this would've made me at least my squad would remain loyal to me and keep their promise and fight with me till thee end even if they did die this was more acceptable the joker just picking up your squad and then them leaving the fleets and shepard without a backward glance if my squad died here I could accept because they stayed loyal and fought by my side and didn't abandon me this is a deleted scene from the final hours app of mass effect 3