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[Aylyese]

Claudio, MannyClouds has issues with his net. He is currently showing as offline again so not sure when he will be able to fix the post.

[claudio]

Aylyese wrote...

Claudio, MannyClouds has issues with his net. He is currently showing as offline again so not sure when he will be able to fix the post.

ok thanks

[Gingeraids]

Just going to leave a post here saying that the internet had me believe the ending to Mass Effect 3 was going to be a terrible, terrible ordeal that would have sucked my soul away and stomped on it. Instead, I got the Synthesis ending, which while confusing, was not even remotely close to how bad I was told it was going to be.

Just letting you know Bioware that I've been an avid fan of the series since Mass Effect and the ending to 3 isn't changing that anytime soon. Keep up the awesome work, and I'm excited for the upcoming DLC!

[Voodoo-j]

I didn't read up anything on the ending as I wanted to make my own unbiased decision as well. As I did have a friend warn me about it, I did have my doubts I would still salvage some enjoyment out of it.

Unfortunately I can't really salvage anything from the ending.

[Armass81]

Yeah Fans were pretty much expecting epic ending and what they got was pretty much the "one year membership in the jelly of a month club".

After that the reaction was pretty much this.

Hope BW can somehow salvage the situation...

Modifié par Armass81, 28 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[mannyclouds]

[quote]claudio wrote...

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IT has it's own plot holes such as if he didn't really exist why was a picture of god child on the citadel memorial wall, why did the rachi queen say a sour yellow not not oily black? also there is no proof that short term exposure to reaper tech has any effect on the phycee every example of endoctronation has only occured from long term exposure. the process can be sped up but only actual reapers are capable of it and not their tech according to pervious events and the reaper indoctronation process occurs. the oily shadows in the dream is pretty typical of a stories example of guilt over the loss, did you not notice the whispers are mordins and thanes voices and are only present after they each die?

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1)that image could represent a real child lost XD, or it was simply a subliminal image that we can all see as a clue of bioware to the end (like=fixed on this child it is evil or important) or as a Shepard sign of psychic breakdown.....you should use (as I said ) your imagination.....is a great trick for the players who can read between the lines....
2)about the racny queen I don't undestand what you mean could do write again?
3) there is no proof??!! Shepard fight Saren and Sovereign, the Collectors, the Artifacts on the Dead reaper, the Artifacts on the Arrival dlc!!! he has got a long term exposure!!! an insidiuous one ok but there were many contacts and fights and dialogues.......you can clearly find during all the trilogy....
4) the oily shadows are clearly another effect of reaper taking slowly control over Shepard faith...the same indoctrinated people on the dead reaper in ME2 spoke about that....and the rackny queen in ME1....
5) the reaper use many voices that are familiar for Shepard using his memory and his sense of loss......empaty is necessary to undestand this process....

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1) or that he was a real kid and there was actually someone looking for him. reading between the lines is only possible if there is something there to be read.the whole reason GC is beleived to not be real and a symbol of sheps indoctronation is because other characters don't interact with him, like anderson but the angle anderson is at doesn't allow him to see the child or does anderson posses some kind of xray vision that allows him to look through walls? even we during the cinimatic couldn't see far enough into the duct though we were at a better angle or do we ignore the fact that shep reached out and still couldn't reach him? the marine on the ground could not have seen him as being human din't have eyes on the back of their heads, the two civies could have been in morning and not noticed the child
2) the rachni queen in me3 discribes the method the reapers use as a maddening sour(no yellow that was my interpretation i appolagize) note.not oily, according to beneziah and the cerberus team the walls of the reaper bear down on you, you hear faint voices and whispers while consious
3) shepards fight with saren and sovreign lasted at the most a few hours, time on the collectors ship 3 at the most on the dead reaper same unless there was a serious time laps the artifacts on arrival 2 days, while said it is possible to indoctronate people in a few days that is with constant exposure to it no small amounts here and there, and haven't been any examples or hints of indoctronation being possible during a state of unconciousnessfor it to be relavant shepard would need to wake up still in the bahak system
4) the people on the dead reaper were concious when they saw "movement", they discribed hearing voices coming from peices of the reaper they had the same memories but they never mentioned oily shadows
5) the reapers that have talked have only ever used their own voice, only when controlling saren did there voice reselmble someelese.harbringer always used his own voice when he took control of the collectors when he spoke directly to shep not once was it hinted that the reapers could broadcast their voice let alone someone elses.
there if this goes through finally

[mannyclouds]

yay didn't swallow it that time

[3DandBeyond]

AmstradHero wrote...

claudio wrote...

why no one replys my post? the explanation is clear with IT, all of you are speaking about something that doesn't happened (the reaper-child and ecc..) because it is in Shepard's mind; it doesen't matter what happen next (crucible fixed with the Citadel releè and the "magic-multicolor-explosion" followed by a non-sense running out of the Normandy with our earth-squadmates) beacause it was only a "dream-fight":
-blue-control=became like the Collector general,
-green-sintesis=became like Saren,
-red-destruction=break reaper-mindcontrol on Shepard, and our hero wake up with his mind intact....

why are you continue in path that obviously will bring in a non-sense speculation?

use your imagination....or......you are right now indoctrinated by Bioware!

BioWare have said that the Catalyst will stay and that they are not changing the current endings. The only thing provided will be additional cutscenes and epilogues. i.e. They do not intend to take the path of Indoctrination Theory, which many see as the only way to salvage the existing ending short of just scrapping everything after Harbinger's laser beam.

I'd love IT to be true. It would annoy the heck of me being duped, but I'd at least be happy that I didn't get an ending that ultimately ruins the entire series.

This in many ways is the way I feel.  The main problems with IT (not insurmountable, but still problems) are that the game was then released in an incomplete state.  That's ok for many if not most if the "finish" actually does complete it and is free.  Some may say they'd pay, heck I probably even would, but it sets a real nasty precedent for gaming in the future-imagine having to continually pay to get the endings of games.

Another issue is that indoctrination would have to be shown to come in some so far unknown variations and strengths.  Shepard's final indoctrination would have had to happen quickly and be different from "established" indoctrination lore.  Not a problem because it could be said that Shepard was just different, had some reaper-based tech inside, and the lore does not know everything.

But then there's Shepard's reputation.  This one is hard for me to get over and not something I came up with-someone pointed out that if Shepard becomes indoctrinated it taints Shepard forever.  Shepard's actions in the past, present, and future would become suspect.  But, it also taints Shepard's reality.  S/he would find reality unbelievable at times.  Now, this could be avoided if and only if Shepard can ultimately reject any choice thereby breaking the indoctrination.  This could also be used as a way to disrupt the star kid's and thus the reaper's programming. 

As I've stated before it could be like a wrench thrown into a machine.  The star kid/man behind the curtain would not understand why Shepard would choose not to choose one of its proposed logical choices.  It thinks it has created a super subtle way to force Shepard to choose what it wants him to choose, thus giving the appearance that humanity/advanced organics had a choice this time not to be eaten by reapers.  This is how it wants to change things up-the reapers then are no longer responsible for the destruction, an organic being (Shepard) is.  It doesn't make Shepard merely complicit in genocide, but actually responsible and this is how it changed it's model. 

All 3 choices now add up to the destruction of humanity (I use human though they all target organics and synthetics).  Control-well one must really become evil to attempt to control it.  It destroys the human moral fabric.  Synthesis-it destroys humanity by changing it and removing what makes a human human (the word human is a stand in for advanced organics).  It destroys human form (body and mind) and evolution.  The kid wants you to think this is the best decision.  Destroy-well, we know what this does.  It destroys human hope and the soul and heart.  And it rejects and insults choices made before.  The star kid has added into all this the element of your self-sacrifice.  This makes you think that any choice would be altruistic because they'd be so hard to make.  Except destroy.  That's the easy choice-the one you might naturally be drawn to.  Who doesn't want to destroy the reapers, but wait it's wrong because it's easy.  But it's also a difficult choice with immediate effects on people you care about-EDI, the Geth, you.  The kid is totally tricking you/playing with your mind and heart.

So, the star kid thinks Shepard will think there's a good choice there, but knows none of them are good.  If Shepard chooses one, Shepard has not only doomed a lot of living beings this cycle, but has doomed all that come after.  In a real way, choosing one is also the destruction of hope and indicates that organics are way too flawed to be able to ever co-exist with synthetics.   It proves the kid's "logic" by showing why organics can't be trusted.

Rejection changes this, and it makes a lot of sense in terms of indoctrination and not just as a 4th choice given to a fully alert Shepard.  Rejection within indoctrination could be the way to destroy the kid and the reapers once and for all or at least those that exist now in the galaxy.  Jam their programming, stop the indoctrination, save the galaxy.  Restore Shepard's integrity.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[ItsNotMyProblem]

My problem is pretty simple. I invested years into these characters. I am even reading the damn books, which I enjoy. This surpassed any other game I have ever played as my favorite, mainly due to the consequences and whatnot. The story was captivating, and I repeat, it lead me to invest years into these characters.

Shep does whatever in the ending, and all I get is a clip of Joker stepping out of the Normandy? No one says anything? No other cinematic experience? I haven't seen such a crap ending since Clive Barker's Jericho. I didn't give a damn about that game and it pissed me off with its ending. I just sat there in stunned silence. It was just a smack in the face combined with a kick to the groin. All that history...all that development...and that's all we get?

If anything, the developers owed more to themselves. To formulate characters so in depth like that...just to leave them hanging...

It's despicable. I feel like an ass because I've finally found the most amazing games I've ever played and they left it empty for me. It's like someone reading through The Lord of the Rings just to find out the final book has the last 20 pages torn out. But it's worse...imagine all copies having the last 20 pages torn out. Just insulting.

[spockjedi]

The main advantage of the IT is that it gives a reason to think that the R, G and B endings never happened.
The endings are so absurd and illogical that they CANNOT BE REASONABLY ACCEPTED as true outcomes.
They can't be taken at face value, no matter how "clarifying" the new Extended Cut stuff can be.
See for yourselves.

[3DandBeyond]

Guilty2 wrote...

Despite the very loud, very irritating negative outcry about ME3 ending, I actually loved it. So, my first thought after finishing the game was: "Ah, humans... You dissapoint me again". I was utterly confused by the "we have no choice in this game!" critique, due to it's complete insaneness. There is a choice, and what a choice it is! The only explanation I have to this strange reaction to heartbreakingly brilliant game that Mass Effect 3 is, is that gamers suddenly lost all of their imagination. Or maybe it is a first sighn of mass indoctrination

The only complaint I have about the ending is that after the run to the beam under Harbringer fire it is not explained what happened to your current teammates and how they got sepparated from Sheppard. Later I discovered that it is shown that they die in case you didn't bring a fleet strong enough, but if you did, there is no scene explaining their absence.

So, Bioware, please continue to be gods that you are, and know that at least in my opinion Mass Effect 3 as a whole and it's ending in particular are wonderful. I've been a fan of yours since Baldur's Gates: Shadows of Amn (which was very hard to find in Russia at those times) made my childrhood thousand times brighter, and was inspired by your games ever since.

So, be true to yourself, don't listen to all the haters around and hold the line

Please excuse me for my bad English.

Please read this thread on the problems this story line has. (thanks BenchPress)

Here

If you liked the ending, great.  But the choices you get amount to the same thing-genocide.  Not a great way to end a game series.  Self-sacrifice is honorable, but genocide without even a lift of your eyebrow (Shepard never protests the need to commit genocide) is obviously ridiculous.  Shepard showed more concern over far less important things.

And even on just the run up to Harbinger and directly after Shepard gets hit, there is one of the biggest stupidest things that ever happened in the game.  It's the idea to retreat.  Ok, no smart commander in the face of certain annihilation would issue such a command.  It was the beam, the citadel, the crucible, or nothing.

Hackett says so when you question the possibility of not getting catalyst info from the Illusive Man's base.  You will attack no matter what and probably die, but you will die, anyway.  Retreat is not an option.  It's like drowning in the ocean.  You decide to swim to another spot because drowning is way better there.

The kid's circular logic makes me want to throw up.  It boils down to "we are destroying you so synthetics will not destroy you."  So, you just jumped back in the ocean again, drowning again.  Looking for best place to drown.  Death by reaper or death by synthetic.  Or so the kid says.  But Shepard knows better.  You don't need to conrol, synthesize, or destroy in order to achieve a scenario where the synthetics won't destroy organics.  Shepard helped to prevent this from happening somewhere else in the story.  Hint: rhymes with Seth.  Other hint: rhymes with, oh forget it.  Geth/Quarian.  You played it, you lived it.  I'd say these endings would only make sense and could only exist if you decided to let them destroy each other.

Read more about it, please.

[3DandBeyond]

ItsNotMyProblem wrote...

My problem is pretty simple. I invested years into these characters. I am even reading the damn books, which I enjoy. This surpassed any other game I have ever played as my favorite, mainly due to the consequences and whatnot. The story was captivating, and I repeat, it lead me to invest years into these characters.

Shep does whatever in the ending, and all I get is a clip of Joker stepping out of the Normandy? No one says anything? No other cinematic experience? I haven't seen such a crap ending since Clive Barker's Jericho. I didn't give a damn about that game and it pissed me off with its ending. I just sat there in stunned silence. It was just a smack in the face combined with a kick to the groin. All that history...all that development...and that's all we get?

If anything, the developers owed more to themselves. To formulate characters so in depth like that...just to leave them hanging...

It's despicable. I feel like an ass because I've finally found the most amazing games I've ever played and they left it empty for me. It's like someone reading through The Lord of the Rings just to find out the final book has the last 20 pages torn out. But it's worse...imagine all copies having the last 20 pages torn out. Just insulting.

Exactly how I feel.  Best games ever and I've played video games since the 80s-first computer hooked to tv.  I waited for games like these.  Imperfect, yes.  But the closest to the perfect mesh of story and action in a genre that is near and dear to my heart.  I grew up on space travel, watched all the moon landings live, and in many ways these games offered that chance to explore the things I had imagined.  I got to interact with people that were made to be so real, so well-done.  To what end.  Jungle planet, no meaning, no character tie in, no logical conclusion, and so on.  I felt and feel like I was slapped in the face.  And I've no doubt the devs loved these games as well, but, they took a great story, a great series and flushed it down the toilet with fans following after it.

[Thanatos144]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cant Planet wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I just don't see why thanatos can't see a core issue espically with character perfomance and stragetic decisions since he played mass effect 2 lol

You are entirely missing the point. For some people, it's not about understanding or difference of opinion. It's about getting people upset, which is how they get their entertainment. Every angry reply entertains them, and they will say whatever they can to provoke those angry replies, whether they believe what they're saying or not.

You cannot "convince" them. You are not having the same conversation as they are. You are stating your opinion. They are saying whatever they can think of to go against your opinion, for sport. It's a game to them, and the moment you play, they win.

The only solution is to ignore them, and treat their posts like they aren't even there. But there's always someone who doesn't get that, and tries to engage them with reasoned arguments, or anger, or insults, and It Does Not Work.

It will never work.

it is not me that pisses people off. It is that I dont act like you. Sorry but I dont keep a closed mind.

Yes you do, more so than anyone else I have seen on here, regardless of whether they are a retaker or a fan of the ending. People have given you countless reasons why they do not like the ending and why it does not make sense, yet you avoid / ignore these points and simply tell people they are wrong. About as close minded as you can get.

And dare I ask what you think the energy wave they are running from is? Because think about where they crash land - there sure as hell isn't a jungle planet with two moons in our solar system. So do you think they simply out ran a blast that was travelling faster than them, until they reached this planet, in some other solar system? Impossible. Or do you think they skipped through a relay and it was the blast from that destroyed relay that was coming towards them? If so, why skip through a relay in the first place? Why run away from the fight? They have no way of knowing if Shep is dead or not. And regardless, why would Joker and co abandon the fight that will determin if the human race would become extinct? Lose this fight and the reapers win, therefore we get harvested. I would love to hear your 'logic' to explain this. Oh, and did he make a stop off at earth to pick up your squadmates first?

Please, just give some kind of narrative logic to how all of this could have happened. You want open minded debate, then this is a chance for it. Please explain the above problems I have with the narrative and lets see what you come up with.

Did you not play the game? No mater what choice you pick a shot of energy shoot out of the citidel doing stuff to everything  in its path.......gee do you think it would matter to them what the energy is right then? By the way I do have a open mind I just understand the realities of what is. I deal with what I have and will have when it comes to the game not what I want or wish I will get.

[Thanatos144]

Redbelle wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I just don't see why thanatos can't see a core issue espically with character perfomance and stragetic decisions since he played mass effect 2 lol

  Oh I see your point of view about how you think charectars should have acted.....I just think your wrong. Maybe the extended cut will help you understand the decision for joker to take off or for people to leave shepard for dead. It isnt something new for them. They did it before as well.

Extended cutscence content will add more context to the scenes that do not carry the player. Joker fleeing the battlefield being one of them. I've come up with alot of explanations for why he did it...........buuuuut.....

None of my explanations are canon. It's all extrapolation based on what I know of Joker, normandy, the battle the galaxy and everything. BW should have done a better job of carrying the narrative at the end. They have carried it before with style and control of the story. The ending just feels like a rushed mess of good ideas and bad ideas that never got distilled, forged and polished like the rest of the trilogy.

So Joker never would have left shepard for dead?????The entire first part of ME2 begs to differ. Now All my explinations are mine....They could be wrong but it is what I see as happening.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Again I want how well you did to decide if things went well or everybody dies like in mass effect 2 and yes I can't see the normandy abandoning all the fleets inspace when the final outcome is that if we don't defeat the reapers they will harvest or destroy our entire race but with the relays gone and all the races orbiting a dieing earth plus your crew just abandoing you and the alliance and commiting treason which I know garrius and liara probably would never do since they fought by you for the longest

Like I said earlyer I would've loved that one deleted scene from the final hours app to have stayed because your crew would've fought with till the end even if they did die better them staying true to their word then just peace out you guys are screwed so it is a shame that scene was deleted

So you think that they would see reapers and say "hey there are reapers
left  and even though there is a energy wave blowing **** up but we have
to stay cause maybe it wont blow up up?" That kinda goes against the
human nature of self preservation.

I am not attacking you I am explaining why I see you as wrong when it comes to joker bugging out.

[Thanatos144]

claudio wrote...

why no one replys my post? the explanation is clear with IT, all of you are speaking about something that doesn't happened (the reaper-child and ecc..) because it is in Shepard's mind; it doesen't matter what happen next (crucible fixed with the Citadel releè and the "magic-multicolor-explosion" followed by a non-sense running out of the Normandy with our earth-squadmates) beacause it was only a "dream-fight":
-blue-control=became like the Collector general,
-green-sintesis=became like Saren,
-red-destruction=break reaper-mindcontrol on Shepard, and our hero wake up with his mind intact....

why are you continue in path that obviously will bring in a non-sense speculation?

use your imagination....or......you are right now indoctrinated by Bioware!

Because Shepard isnt indocturnated......They make it clear in the game that she/he isnt.

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
If you really dont have anything contrctive to say with regards to me why ever would I try to be constructive with you? You cant teach the blind to see and you cant debate a closed mind.

I think you've said it best yourself, you misspell "constructive", just like your posts are not constructive.  Never have I seen such an ironic post with underlying meaning.  

Well done!

That happends a lot when I am rushed...

[claudio]

Thanatos144 wrote...

claudio wrote...

why no one replys my post? the explanation is clear with IT, all of you are speaking about something that doesn't happened (the reaper-child and ecc..) because it is in Shepard's mind; it doesen't matter what happen next (crucible fixed with the Citadel releè and the "magic-multicolor-explosion" followed by a non-sense running out of the Normandy with our earth-squadmates) beacause it was only a "dream-fight":
-blue-control=became like the Collector general,
-green-sintesis=became like Saren,
-red-destruction=break reaper-mindcontrol on Shepard, and our hero wake up with his mind intact....

why are you continue in path that obviously will bring in a non-sense speculation?

use your imagination....or......you are right now indoctrinated by Bioware!

Because Shepard isnt indocturnated......They make it clear in the game that she/he isnt.

really?! please tell me where and when "They" make it clear in the game

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Lots of stuff.......

Ok, for someone who has moved on you sure do a good impersonation of someone who hasn't.
I promised I would not reply to you but you just keep at it.

All discourse is lost on you.  If we say we don't like the ending, you say, "why, it's great, sort of."
Ifwe tell you why we don't like it in a way you might understand, you know ABC reasons, you say that does not matter because it had some great cinematics.
If we say again using ABC reasons, though we might use most of the alphabet and all our fingers and toes and our friends' fingers and toes to count the number of ways that pretty pictures do not a good story and ending make, you come back with your ultimate attempt at persuasion.  So what?  That's what the devs wanted, so live with it.

All of this still begs the questions which you will never answer.  What does any of this matter to you?  Why do you so bitterly oppose our attempts to convey our opinions? Why do you return here to tell us to stop repeating what we have already said, and in so doing repeat what you have already said?  You have the ending you like.  That alone should
satisfy you and it means you are free, little bird.  You can move on and play those other awesome games you now have.

Oh, wait you did give an answer.  You got an email telling you someone posted a reply in this forum so you were forced to return.  You had no say in the matter. 

I had hoped you were being truthful and went on to enjoy other things, but seriously, truthfully I think you don't like the ending either.  Or you would not be here.  You have every right to be here. 
You have every right to post, but do us and yourself a favor and don't keep changing your reasons as to why we shouldn't do the same.  Do yourself another favor and don't just make up reasons why the ending fits the rest of the story.  It doesn't.  Read and watch videos on why this is so, please.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[Thanatos144]

claudio wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

claudio wrote...

why no one replys my post? the explanation is clear with IT, all of you are speaking about something that doesn't happened (the reaper-child and ecc..) because it is in Shepard's mind; it doesen't matter what happen next (crucible fixed with the Citadel releè and the "magic-multicolor-explosion" followed by a non-sense running out of the Normandy with our earth-squadmates) beacause it was only a "dream-fight":
-blue-control=became like the Collector general,
-green-sintesis=became like Saren,
-red-destruction=break reaper-mindcontrol on Shepard, and our hero wake up with his mind intact....

why are you continue in path that obviously will bring in a non-sense speculation?

use your imagination....or......you are right now indoctrinated by Bioware!

Because Shepard isnt indocturnated......They make it clear in the game that she/he isnt.

really?! please tell me where and when "They" make it clear in the game

How about On the asari home world and on the crucible.

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Lots of stuff.......

Ok, for someone who has moved on you sure do a good impersonation of someone who hasn't.
I promised I would not reply to you but you just keep at it.

All discourse is lost on you.  If we say we don't like the ending, you say, "why, it's great, sort of."
Ifwe tell you why we don't like it in a way you might understand, you know ABC reasons, you say that does not matter because it had some great cinematics.
If we say again using ABC reasons, though we might use most of the alphabet and all our fingers and toes and our friends' fingers and toes to count the number of ways that pretty pictures do not a good story and ending make, you come back with your ultimate attempt at persuasion.  So what?  That's what the devs wanted, so live with it.

All of this still begs the questions which you will never answer.  What does any of this matter to you?  Why do you so bitterly oppose our attempts to convey our opinions? Why do you return here to tell us to stop repeating what we have already said, and in so doing repeat what you have already said?  You have the ending you like.  That alone should
satisfy you and it means you are free, little bird.  You can move on and play those other awesome games you now have.

Oh, wait you did give an answer.  You got an email telling you someone posted a reply in this forum so you were forced to return.  You had no say in the matter. 

I had hoped you were being truthful and went on to enjoy other things, but seriously, truthfully I think you don't like the ending either.  Or you would not be here.  You have every right to be here. 
You have every right to post, but do us and yourself a favor and don't keep changing your reasons as to why we shouldn't do the same.  Do yourself another favor and don't just make up reasons why the ending fits the rest of the story.  It doesn't.  Read and watch videos on why this is so, please.

You know what if you dont like my posts dont read them but I would prefer if you didnt twist them out of context.  Questions were asked of me I amswered. If you dont like the answer tough ****. I have already stated I will not let other silence me.

[3DandBeyond]

claudio wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

claudio wrote...

why no one replys my post? the explanation is clear with IT, all of you are speaking about something that doesn't happened (the reaper-child and ecc..) because it is in Shepard's mind; it doesen't matter what happen next (crucible fixed with the Citadel releè and the "magic-multicolor-explosion" followed by a non-sense running out of the Normandy with our earth-squadmates) beacause it was only a "dream-fight":
-blue-control=became like the Collector general,
-green-sintesis=became like Saren,
-red-destruction=break reaper-mindcontrol on Shepard, and our hero wake up with his mind intact....

why are you continue in path that obviously will bring in a non-sense speculation?

use your imagination....or......you are right now indoctrinated by Bioware!

Because Shepard isnt indocturnated......They make it clear in the game that she/he isnt.

really?! please tell me where and when "They" make it clear in the game

Claudio, they never did.  In fact, they hinted the exact opposite.  And it appears they didn't toss any of the stuff out that was to be in the original ending.

In the Final Hours (the app that gives the story behind the making of ME3), indoctrination of Shepard and indoctrination in general was to be part of the original ending, but it got too complicated to work out in the time left.

Much like the picture of Tali, they may have just left in remainders of dialogue, scenes, and so on that were supposed to be in the original ending.  Saved money and time.

Or, they never got rid of the idea completely.  Casey Hudson (I believe it was him) said indoctrination would not be in the Extended Cut DLC as gameplay (not a direct quote), which hints that it could still be in narrative.  It's the choice of words.  It was never said indoctrination wouldn't be in the EC, period.  We don't know what will be there until we see it, so anything is possible.  And given the ending we got, it could just as easily be ME was something some white rhinocerous was dreaming about.  Or, it was something left out of the Lost series.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

You know what if you dont like my posts dont read them but I would prefer if you didnt twist them out of context.  Questions were asked of me I amswered. If you dont like the answer tough ****. I have already stated I will not let other silence me.

Hmmm, I guess me telling you that you have the right to post here is an attempt to silence you.  Now the star kid's logic makes sense.

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

You know what if you dont like my posts dont read them but I would prefer if you didnt twist them out of context.  Questions were asked of me I amswered. If you dont like the answer tough ****. I have already stated I will not let other silence me.

Hmmm, I guess me telling you that you have the right to post here is an attempt to silence you.  Now the star kid's logic makes sense.

Cyber stalking me is disturbing.

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

You know what if you dont like my posts dont read them but I would prefer if you didnt twist them out of context.  Questions were asked of me I amswered. If you dont like the answer tough ****. I have already stated I will not let other silence me.

Hmmm, I guess me telling you that you have the right to post here is an attempt to silence you.  Now the star kid's logic makes sense.

Cyber stalking me is disturbing.

You are posting in a thread that I regularly read and post in.  If I see your posts, that's not cyber stalking.  Seriously, so sad.