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[kryarm]

We want the 16 different endings we were promised. Not 3 different colors. Also, that god child thing was just stupid. Please remove it. It only makes humanity look stupid.

[AwesomeGuyCTS]

I'm pretty sure that kid, or the "Catalyst", or whatever he is. Is Shepard's son. When I saw the third dream senquence, the way the 2nd Shepard hugged him made me believe that the kid is Shepard's imagination for a son.

[Sarah Knight]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

ah the people with the "INDOCTRINATION THEORY" again this is the real "funny laughable thing i see every time"

how much weed have you people been smoking really? Enough to make you guys soo friggin stupid to really believe "some Fan" that made the damn vid and you guys thinking he made sense in truth he or she or even better "THE SHEMALE" was right on the entire Mass effect series Intruth They Wer off soo many details that they DO NOT understand the Game Fully because M1-3 never ever based off that theory Should i believe the Rachni Story was based off every game? no because it was only in the codex as was the Said "indoctrination theory" Me1-2 was never based on that if you really listened to the story line you pot heads you'd understand that Me2 Was explaining how the collectors wer Kidnapping entire colonies and how they Shifted their focus on us including cmdr Shepard they wanted him/her Alive in the Arrival DLC For their personal army and to make shepard their slave Me1 was explaining the characters storyline and how shepard made him/her to be the hero/heroine the galaxy needed or even Menace for those who went renegade.

but Honestly people Don't believe everything you people See or here on Youtube Majority of the people their are either Posers "hence the sr2 Vid of (9/11) people on that website want attention they dont want anything to do with you or any one else really So if its not Music related Dont believe them because 9/10 times their some one who made the vid themselves with random tidbits of things that are from the game and made by them which in a sense is "illegal" to do if bioware caught them in the act they would of been fined for it and you'd hear me laughing throwing crap at them for it.

Guess I don't get your point.  Are you anti-indoctrination theory?  If so, it may interest you to know that that was one of the things the original ending was going to focus on.  You may also want to stop using the over the top insinuation that because some people think it makes sense, it's like they are smoking too much weed. 

There are many things that point to it.  The problem is that Bioware seems to have ruled it out (but not completely) and the things that point to it might be just laziness in not redoing certain areas of the game.  They make a good case that it's possible, so don't out of hand dismiss it.  There's a lot of stuff that has been implied throughout the games that do make it possible.  The whole end scene from Harbinger's beam onward is so full of chronological as well as just plain logical holes that it seems to be a dream or a hallucination or something else. 

And in light of posts where people are so sure that it's not indoctrination, I'd think it funny if it was.  It makes more sense than what we have and it would be so easy for Bioware to retcon anything that did not fight really well.  Shepard's different from others who've been indoctrinated and people don't know everything about indoctrination-2 ways they could explain things away.

No one else as yet has been able to make more sense of the ending as it is, so IT can make sense.  And there's way more than one video on it-there are numerous blogs and videos regarding it.  They make a good case.  I personally wouldn't like it for other reasons than that it isn't possible.

And apparently these people are the first to ever post any video game content on youtube.  Game companies do not go there, because if they did all of the fan videos that are like free advertising for them would have to stop as well.

Nice Epic Fail in your Defense  understand the Me Franchise btw  i know what i am talking about  which is rather funny that you  try to prove me wrong by defending those  Pot heads that make those Vids   thats all youtube is   Posers pot heads or lowlifes  that just want attention  for the vid that they make you and every one else who thinks the indoctrination theory   was what ME1  was about clearly proves my point that no one truly understands the ME franchise is truly about   maybe a few  but those who complain about it clearly do not understand it Aka you and every other cry baby clinging to the indoctrination theory  using that as an attack basis for  Biowares  integrity   honestly i don't know if i should find that funny or sad  perhaps both   but whats the use when the one i am commenting on wont listen to reason? or even the facts thats been slapping you and every other cry baby out their in the face the whole entire time? you and every one else who is solely attacking bioware needs to appreciate what they do for us  and see what their trying to come across  and on top of they had 3 Different writes  for the games  the Guy that made ME1 Quit  the one that made ME2  Also quit   Me3 Didn't know crap about mass effect (writer for bioware) its clear to me that only one person is to blame not  entire bioware just one guy that they clearly hired without bringing them up to speed and them understanding the franchise.


any way i'm not going to Argue with a baby that has no sense of  Honor or reasoning   Good Day pendajo...

[daveyeisley]

@ sara knight - Your post has been reported... and I have to say.... I think I lost some brain cells from reading it... I can still hear them screaming as they die....

[TheBlackRose]

Why is this thread still up? I've seen more logical and honest threads locked. So lock this spam up.

[Voodoo-j]

Sarah Knight wrote...

Nice Epic Fail in your Defense  understand the Me Franchise btw  i know what i am talking about  which is rather funny that you  try to prove me wrong by defending those  Pot heads that make those Vids   thats all youtube is   Posers pot heads or lowlifes  that just want attention  for the vid that they make you and every one else who thinks the indoctrination theory   was what ME1  was about clearly proves my point that no one truly understands the ME franchise is truly about   maybe a few  but those who complain about it clearly do not understand it Aka you and every other cry baby clinging to the indoctrination theory  using that as an attack basis for  Biowares  integrity   honestly i don't know if i should find that funny or sad  perhaps both   but whats the use when the one i am commenting on wont listen to reason? or even the facts thats been slapping you and every other cry baby out their in the face the whole entire time? you and every one else who is solely attacking bioware needs to appreciate what they do for us  and see what their trying to come across  and on top of they had 3 Different writes  for the games  the Guy that made ME1 Quit  the one that made ME2  Also quit   Me3 Didn't know crap about mass effect (writer for bioware) its clear to me that only one person is to blame not  entire bioware just one guy that they clearly hired without bringing them up to speed and them understanding the franchise.


any way i'm not going to Argue with a baby that has no sense of  Honor or reasoning   Good Day pendajo...

While you do push the tone of "haters gonna hate"

You do have a valid point.
http://kotaku.com/58...es-games-behind 

Well almost valid.. he left 
FEB 17, 2012 12:30 AM 

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 01 mai 2012 - 01:18 .

[ghost9191]

daveyeisley wrote...

I know and have researched, and even agree with the multitudinous problems with the synthesis, control and destroy endings.

My analysis of the endings as presented is that control offers the best outcome, even if it is abhorrent to sacrifice Shepard to control the reapers, thus letting them continue to exist. They would however, become a force of good rather than a galactic scourge.* (see comments below on the "death" being a transformation in reality)

It sucks that the reapers get to live, but I think thats better than destroying the Geth and EDI. Also if Shepard is wrong about synthetics, at least he could still have the reapers around as a failsafe to help the organics if they ever faced extinction... or, god forbid, vice versa... nothing says that organics wouldn't possibly come to conflict with the sapient synthetics and eventually try to commit genocide on them.

The enslavement of a sapient race is also terrible, and the reapers do qualify, however.... they are already enslaved by the catalyst.... whatever those civilizations once were... they are now slaves to this ridiculous and reprehensible "Cycle" of illogic.

Shepard would be a more merciful master. If the millions of individual minds of those civilizations still exist inside their respective reapers... on some level they must find the harvesting process abhorrent, only the first reaper might have done such a thing to themselves voluntarily, the others were not given a choice as far as we know... and Shepard could release them from such a mandate.

At least with Shepard in control, he could guide them to a better purpose. They are all that remains of the greatest civilizations of their Cycles, so destroying them is a little sad in that aspect. Maybe, just maybe, Shepard can make their being harvested actually mean something to the greater good and future of the Galaxy. Destroying them would make their deaths almost meaningless, other than the release from enslavement, and that is one of the most horrible aspects of the Cycle itself - countless millions upon millions of senseless, meaningless deaths.

*This is of course, all provided that Shepard's death is actually a transformation of some sort (which is sadly not explained or even hinted at, but if he dies for real, then his mind no longer exists to control the reapers which makes even less sense than the other 2 endings).

I imagine that he is replacing the Catalyst. In the control ending there is a brief flash where as Shepard's body disintegrates, the catalyst also sort of dissolves into thin air. I think of this like Shepard taking over, and becoming  an incorporeal, immortal force/entity with control over the citadel and the reapers. A kind of ascension to a higher form, which is kinda cool and appropriate for Shepard in a way... even though he never wanted or asked for it. (dont get me wrong I would still rather him live and settle down to have many blue babies).

The fleets may be trapped in the Sol system without mass relays to get home.... but if Shepard has control of the reapers.... he can communicate with the fleets.

Tell them what happened... and using the reaper's 2-3 times faster than standard FTL cores, he can help get people home (after shutting off the indoctrination signals of course lol) and also gather needed resources, etc..... he can even allow the relays and reaper's tech to be studied, so that the scientists who built the crucible can try to engineer a new version of the mass relays.

There are more than enough reapers left and spread throughout the galaxy that Shepard could use his control to save and protect almost everyone who survived the battle. Even find his lost friends who left on the Normandy. Then consider the technological benefits gained from studying reaper tech for a few hundred years. Medicine would improve, communication, travel, many many benefits. And Shepard could still 'exist' in order to continue guiding the galaxy away from self-destruction (with the help of the most powerful armada of all time as a deterrent - thank god for the treaty of Farixen, eh? lol - if the council races hadn't signed that, they might have had enough dreadnoughts to win conventionally, damnit).

The dreams shepard has, also sort of hint at this. The final dream is definitely sending a message. Each dream definitely involves guilt over the lives he could not save... and chasing the little boy is again Shepard chasing the goal of trying to save everyone. That last dream has a double meaning, I think.

If you embrace the boy/catalyst, you "die".

If you try to save everyone, you "die".

Both of which end up being true. The only way Shepard lives, is if he relinquishes his honor and stops trying to save everyone.

In the end, with this interpretation... the Illusive Man may have failed... but he was right about the solution... and he saved Humanity and the Galaxy by saving Shepard.

then it would be the same as if the catalyst controlled them. and there is no way to know if shepard could control them "or do you think you can control us" not sure if its word for word but yeah.

i mean not sure if you control the geth also but with reaper code and all that it is possible, we won't know till the EC comes out. but also by destroy you are putting those ppl that were turned into reapers to rest and i don't know but the geth could be rebuilt? flip the on off switch a couple times and see if they will reactivate.

well i am just putting thoughts on control, if those are the choices we get i have been wondering which is the better choice out of them. First playthrough when i was sure shepard was going to die(this was march 9th i think) i choose destroy because i thought it was the right thing, thought it was the paragon option. ending the reaper threat once and for all. Yes at the cost of the geth and possibly edi but the reapers would be gone and the races that had that forced on them would be at rest. Control just seems like giving into the reapers, they always wanted shepard, and why destroy when you can control is the reapers way of thinking. what shepard told the illusive man.  And synthesis just destroys everything you have been fighting for so thats not a option for me, my opinion.

But if those are option, again i just wonder which is the right one

[ghost9191]

ghost9191 wrote...

daveyeisley wrote...

I know and have researched, and even agree with the multitudinous problems with the synthesis, control and destroy endings.

My analysis of the endings as presented is that control offers the best outcome, even if it is abhorrent to sacrifice Shepard to control the reapers, thus letting them continue to exist. They would however, become a force of good rather than a galactic scourge.* (see comments below on the "death" being a transformation in reality)

It sucks that the reapers get to live, but I think thats better than destroying the Geth and EDI. Also if Shepard is wrong about synthetics, at least he could still have the reapers around as a failsafe to help the organics if they ever faced extinction... or, god forbid, vice versa... nothing says that organics wouldn't possibly come to conflict with the sapient synthetics and eventually try to commit genocide on them.

The enslavement of a sapient race is also terrible, and the reapers do qualify, however.... they are already enslaved by the catalyst.... whatever those civilizations once were... they are now slaves to this ridiculous and reprehensible "Cycle" of illogic.

Shepard would be a more merciful master. If the millions of individual minds of those civilizations still exist inside their respective reapers... on some level they must find the harvesting process abhorrent, only the first reaper might have done such a thing to themselves voluntarily, the others were not given a choice as far as we know... and Shepard could release them from such a mandate.

At least with Shepard in control, he could guide them to a better purpose. They are all that remains of the greatest civilizations of their Cycles, so destroying them is a little sad in that aspect. Maybe, just maybe, Shepard can make their being harvested actually mean something to the greater good and future of the Galaxy. Destroying them would make their deaths almost meaningless, other than the release from enslavement, and that is one of the most horrible aspects of the Cycle itself - countless millions upon millions of senseless, meaningless deaths.

*This is of course, all provided that Shepard's death is actually a transformation of some sort (which is sadly not explained or even hinted at, but if he dies for real, then his mind no longer exists to control the reapers which makes even less sense than the other 2 endings).

I imagine that he is replacing the Catalyst. In the control ending there is a brief flash where as Shepard's body disintegrates, the catalyst also sort of dissolves into thin air. I think of this like Shepard taking over, and becoming  an incorporeal, immortal force/entity with control over the citadel and the reapers. A kind of ascension to a higher form, which is kinda cool and appropriate for Shepard in a way... even though he never wanted or asked for it. (dont get me wrong I would still rather him live and settle down to have many blue babies).

The fleets may be trapped in the Sol system without mass relays to get home.... but if Shepard has control of the reapers.... he can communicate with the fleets.

Tell them what happened... and using the reaper's 2-3 times faster than standard FTL cores, he can help get people home (after shutting off the indoctrination signals of course lol) and also gather needed resources, etc..... he can even allow the relays and reaper's tech to be studied, so that the scientists who built the crucible can try to engineer a new version of the mass relays.

There are more than enough reapers left and spread throughout the galaxy that Shepard could use his control to save and protect almost everyone who survived the battle. Even find his lost friends who left on the Normandy. Then consider the technological benefits gained from studying reaper tech for a few hundred years. Medicine would improve, communication, travel, many many benefits. And Shepard could still 'exist' in order to continue guiding the galaxy away from self-destruction (with the help of the most powerful armada of all time as a deterrent - thank god for the treaty of Farixen, eh? lol - if the council races hadn't signed that, they might have had enough dreadnoughts to win conventionally, damnit).

The dreams shepard has, also sort of hint at this. The final dream is definitely sending a message. Each dream definitely involves guilt over the lives he could not save... and chasing the little boy is again Shepard chasing the goal of trying to save everyone. That last dream has a double meaning, I think.

If you embrace the boy/catalyst, you "die".

If you try to save everyone, you "die".

Both of which end up being true. The only way Shepard lives, is if he relinquishes his honor and stops trying to save everyone.

In the end, with this interpretation... the Illusive Man may have failed... but he was right about the solution... and he saved Humanity and the Galaxy by saving Shepard.

then it would be the same as if the catalyst controlled them. and there is no way to know if shepard could control them "or do you think you can control us" not sure if its word for word but yeah.

i mean not sure if you control the geth also but with reaper code and all that it is possible, we won't know till the EC comes out. but also by destroy you are putting those ppl that were turned into reapers to rest and i don't know but the geth could be rebuilt? flip the on off switch a couple times and see if they will reactivate.

well i am just putting thoughts on control, if those are the choices we get i have been wondering which is the better choice out of them. First playthrough when i was sure shepard was going to die(this was march 9th i think) i choose destroy because i thought it was the right thing, thought it was the paragon option. ending the reaper threat once and for all. Yes at the cost of the geth and possibly edi but the reapers would be gone and the races that had that forced on them would be at rest. Control just seems like giving into the reapers, they always wanted shepard, and why destroy when you can control is the reapers way of thinking. what shepard told the illusive man.  And synthesis just destroys everything you have been fighting for so thats not a option for me, my opinion.

But if those are option, again i just wonder which is the right one  "but humans want to save everyone, in this war that won't happen" garrus     again not sure if its word for word but it is basicly what he said

[Archonsg]

TheBlackRose wrote...

Why is this thread still up? I've seen more logical and honest threads locked. So lock this spam up.

You do realize that this thread is a "vent" thread, right? Bioware had think of a way to keep most if not all the rage and rants controlled and what better way then put up a "we are listening" thread where the title alone would attract and contain most postings against the Ending?

Knowing this, I still choose to post here, simply because once upon a time Bioware did care, did truly listened and reacted to customer feedback.

Not anymore it seems though. As from the start of this page, no one wanted clarification of THIS ending. We wanted more, different and more logical endings, not a longer ending that is out of character of the game's series. That is overcomming impossible odds through unity, friendships,faith in one's self and just never giving up, never surrender. Or, if you are More Renegade, through seer badassness, a fist of iron, and a gun big enough (crucible) for the occasion.

This suicide (sorry, I can't call it sacrifice) ending just feels wrong in every sense of the word.

Anyways, its STILL a place for me and others who still feel the need to vent.

Modifié par Archonsg, 01 mai 2012 - 12:45 .

[ghost9191]

i wish they would just take my money and give us a 4th option. i mean even if it is sit back and watch the fleet do the best they can, because quantity is a quality of it's own. and the number of ship at the end should be able to do something

but again take my money and supply


oh and quick question, ships do have FTL so they wouldnt be stuck in sol system. or did they ruin FTL somehow?

Modifié par ghost9191, 01 mai 2012 - 12:49 .

[DarkKnightCuron]

I don't want a 'clarification'. I (and a lot of other fans) just want different endings and closure! Give us an ending that makes sense!

[Archonsg]

@ghost9191

Actually, thinking about it, if they had made it such that Shepard had to "plug in" ala Matrix or Neuromancer or Overlord DLC to take control of the reapers it would have made a whole lot more sense. The horror of becoming a "living machine" in order to take control of the Reapers would be indeed a true sacrifice. However, I'd like to add just a slight twist to the whole thing.

Given the choice of either destroying all synthethics including the geth and the ambiguous threat of the destruction of advanced tech (as alluded by mentioning Shepard's implants) Shepard chooses the control option plugging himself in, then taking control of the reapers.

His final heroic moment involves the evacuation of all remaining survivors on the Citadel if any, then along with every single reaper, move and fly the Citadel into the sun.

This solves a few things. It removes the Reapers, the catalyst and a central seat of power from the Galaxy, leaves the relays intact and thus repairable or undamaged and ready for use and most of all, SHEPARD DIES A HEROIC SACRIFICE instead of accepting a suicide.


 
Ps. Please excuse formatting / spelling errors. Hate this phone.  The above is based on one of my head-canon fanfic, will have to post it up someday.

Modifié par Archonsg, 01 mai 2012 - 01:28 .

[AmstradHero]

TheBlackRose wrote...

Why is this thread still up? I've seen more logical and honest threads locked. So lock this spam up.

People have a right to voice their (justified) concerns with the ending of the game. The ending is inconsistent in lore, logic and theme with the rest of the game series. People are attempting to make their voice heard and demonstrate to BioWare that this is simply not good enough.

Fans don't want a derivative, cookie-cutter ending. Fans deserve better. Commander Shepard deserves better. Mass Effect deserves better. BioWare deserves better.

BioWare have admitted that they've made mistakes in the past. They've admitted that content was outright wrong. All fans are asking them is to repeat that humility and give fans what they were promised, and what the series delivered right up until the last 10 minutes or so: A consistent, thoughtful, well-designed and well-written space epic that made all the choices and actions of the player and Commander Shepard matter.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 01 mai 2012 - 01:38 .

[Sarah Knight]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

Nice Epic Fail in your Defense  understand the Me Franchise btw  i know what i am talking about  which is rather funny that you  try to prove me wrong by defending those  Pot heads that make those Vids   thats all youtube is   Posers pot heads or lowlifes  that just want attention  for the vid that they make you and every one else who thinks the indoctrination theory   was what ME1  was about clearly proves my point that no one truly understands the ME franchise is truly about   maybe a few  but those who complain about it clearly do not understand it Aka you and every other cry baby clinging to the indoctrination theory  using that as an attack basis for  Biowares  integrity   honestly i don't know if i should find that funny or sad  perhaps both   but whats the use when the one i am commenting on wont listen to reason? or even the facts thats been slapping you and every other cry baby out their in the face the whole entire time? you and every one else who is solely attacking bioware needs to appreciate what they do for us  and see what their trying to come across  and on top of they had 3 Different writes  for the games  the Guy that made ME1 Quit  the one that made ME2  Also quit   Me3 Didn't know crap about mass effect (writer for bioware) its clear to me that only one person is to blame not  entire bioware just one guy that they clearly hired without bringing them up to speed and them understanding the franchise.


any way i'm not going to Argue with a baby that has no sense of  Honor or reasoning   Good Day pendajo...

While you do push the tone of "haters gonna hate"

You do have a valid point.
http://kotaku.com/58...es-games-behind 

Well almost valid.. he left 
FEB 17, 2012 12:30 AM 

Na  i didn't leave hun  just didn't want to talk to him  or it idk which  but i'm trying to keep my moods down to a minamum atm  so i don't get banned from the social bioware network not trying to any way just hard as it is since i am a mother to be >_< not my first time mind you lawl... but yes i know i shouldn't be pushing it but from the perspective i've gotten  from a good majority of people on this forum it always seems like their going to hate >_<

[Gweedotk]

The new writer needs to be brought up on the story of the series, it's rather telling when the only book and the final ME3 game both draw controversy when Drew isn't behind the story.

EDIT: Thats actualkly really depressing when you think about it. Dragon Age was a good game, never bought the second because I heard it was horrible. Never knew why that was, but if it is because Drew wasn't behind it...

The new writer needs to thoroughly play the first two games, read the novels and comics, whatever it takes for him to have an Ahah!- moment and get the Mass Effect attitude.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 01 mai 2012 - 01:51 .

[covertdrizzt]

Loved the game until the last 20min or so. the same 3 choices no mater what all your decisions were in the first two games is B.S. There is no defence for this! I just want to know if the team responsible was rushed or just lazy? I just think its crazy to kill the replay ability of the trilogy with that ending. I had planned to replay the other games and make different choices, but it wont make any difference in the ending. no little blue shepards makes me sad

[ghost9191]

Archonsg wrote...

@ghost9191

Actually, thinking about it, if they had made it such that Shepard had to "plug in" ala Matrix or Neuromancer or Overlord DLC to take control of the reapers it would have made a whole lot more sense. The horror of becoming a "living machine" in order to take control of the Reapers would be indeed a true sacrifice. However, I'd like to add just a slight twist to the whole thing.

Given the choice of either destroying all synthethics including the geth and the ambiguous threat of the destruction of advanced tech (as alluded by mentioning Shepard's implants) Shepard chooses the control option plugging himself in, then taking control of the reapers.

His final heroic moment involves the evacuation of all remaining survivors on the Citadel if any, then along with every single reaper, move and fly the Citadel into the sun.

This solves a few things. It removes the Reapers, the catalyst and a central seat of power from the Galaxy, leaves the relays intact and thus repairable or undamaged and ready for use and most of all, SHEPARD DIES A HEROIC SACRIFICE instead of accepting a suicide.


 
Ps. Please excuse formatting / spelling errors. Hate this phone.  The above is based on one of my head-canon fanfic, will have to post it up someday.

would be a good option if that is what happens, but until the EC comes out or a diff ending i guess wwe have to wait to find out. would be the option i would choose if thats how it happens. reapers gone but other synthetics live


i personally hate the idea of being alive but as a machine. basicly a reaper and dislike the reapers continuing after all that happened. so don't want to do it to shepard lol but if its to fly them into the sun then why the hell not

Modifié par ghost9191, 01 mai 2012 - 01:46 .

[Archonsg]

Gweedotk wrote...

The new writer needs to be brought up on the story of the series, it's rather telling when the only book and the final ME3 game both draw controversy when Drew isn't behind the story.

I don't know. While I wasn't a fan of the original dark energy, reapers really were trying to save us through our destruction ending, it is better then the current one. The original ending was a wee bit to "space magicky" as well which was one of the reasons why there were people disliking it and pointing out its flaws.

Knew Bioware then wanted to change the ending after the leak, but didn't think they'd go even more further into the deep end of the "space magic" pool.

If only Bioware had kept it simple and kept the team in the loop. Not just 2 or 1 guy calling the final and only shot to a great series' end.

Modifié par Archonsg, 01 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[Gweedotk]

Archonsg wrote...

Gweedotk wrote...

The new writer needs to be brought up on the story of the series, it's rather telling when the only book and the final ME3 game both draw controversy when Drew isn't behind the story.

I don't know. While I wasn't a fan of the original dark energy, reapers really were trying to save us through our destruction ending, it is better then the current one. The original ending was a wee bit to "space magicky" as well which was one of the reasons why there were people disliking it and pointing out its flaws.

Knew Bioware then wanted to change the ending after the leak, but didn't think they'd go even more further into the deep end of the "space magic" pool.

If only Bioware had meot it simple and kept the team in the loop. Not just 2 or 1 guy calling the final and only shot to a great series' end.

I hear ya. I don't know much bout the original ending; something about using humanity's genetic diversity to somehow end the expansion of dark energy and the universe, right?

That alone would have rubbed me a little rough, humans should be the least genetically diverse due to speciation of the other species. Dark energy is really accelerating expansion of the Universe, and I remember thinking during the first and second games "I wonder if this exces use of dark energy for FTL travel is causing it". So it's a decent theory, up until we get to the part of curing it with humanity's apparent perfection and superiority.

The current ending though...

On the bright side, the music is better than in ME1 or 2

EDIT: Hopefully the extended cut DLC adds a lot of cinematics and info, they will need it. I'd be completely satsified with a half-hour movie if it were necessary, and I am not exaggerating.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 01 mai 2012 - 02:16 .

[AmstradHero]

Archonsg wrote...

Gweedotk wrote...
The new writer needs to be brought up on the story of the series, it's rather telling when the only book and the final ME3 game both draw controversy when Drew isn't behind the story.

I don't know. While I wasn't a fan of the original dark energy, reapers really were trying to save us through our destruction ending, it is better then the current one. The original ending was a wee bit to "space magicky" as well which was one of the reasons why there were people disliking it and pointing out its flaws.

If only Bioware had kept it simple and kept the team in the loop. Not just 2 or 1 guy calling the final and only shot to a great series' end.

To make it a good ending, they needed one thing - not explain the purpose of the Reapers. All the ending needed was a battle with Harbinger, who with his dying words said "Your existence is doomed without us. You have just ensured the destruction of this galaxy."

Then circumstances can potentially still result in Shepard's death (based on previous decisions) and the Reapers remain an inscrutable enemy destroyed by their own hubris. Best of all, players are left wondering "what were they trying to prevent?"

[Sarah Knight]

AmstradHero wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Gweedotk wrote...
The new writer needs to be brought up on the story of the series, it's rather telling when the only book and the final ME3 game both draw controversy when Drew isn't behind the story.

I don't know. While I wasn't a fan of the original dark energy, reapers really were trying to save us through our destruction ending, it is better then the current one. The original ending was a wee bit to "space magicky" as well which was one of the reasons why there were people disliking it and pointing out its flaws.

If only Bioware had kept it simple and kept the team in the loop. Not just 2 or 1 guy calling the final and only shot to a great series' end.

To make it a good ending, they needed one thing - not explain the purpose of the Reapers. All the ending needed was a battle with Harbinger, who with his dying words said "Your existence is doomed without us. You have just ensured the destruction of this galaxy."

Then circumstances can potentially still result in Shepard's death (based on previous decisions) and the Reapers remain an inscrutable enemy destroyed by their own hubris. Best of all, players are left wondering "what were they trying to prevent?"

Good point  to be honest but i think they should do a Documentary like besthda   did for skyrim it would be allot better for them to show us what they did and how it was created in their terms it be a nifty idea and a less raging community to  that and helping those who clearly   state "retake Me3" on retarded  Gay banners that they got going  on  on forums and what not. but eh  its a good point tho  but maybe shepard doesn't  Take part in the next one instead his or her young   takes part in  it and takes the leads on how their parent took off on in the previous games?  now that i think be an interesting twist since they had done the shepard holding the child in shepards dream sequence near the end of the game.

[Gweedotk]

AmstradHero wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Gweedotk wrote...
The new writer needs to be brought up on the story of the series, it's rather telling when the only book and the final ME3 game both draw controversy when Drew isn't behind the story.

I don't know. While I wasn't a fan of the original dark energy, reapers really were trying to save us through our destruction ending, it is better then the current one. The original ending was a wee bit to "space magicky" as well which was one of the reasons why there were people disliking it and pointing out its flaws.

If only Bioware had kept it simple and kept the team in the loop. Not just 2 or 1 guy calling the final and only shot to a great series' end.

To make it a good ending, they needed one thing - not explain the purpose of the Reapers. All the ending needed was a battle with Harbinger, who with his dying words said "Your existence is doomed without us. You have just ensured the destruction of this galaxy."

Then circumstances can potentially still result in Shepard's death (based on previous decisions) and the Reapers remain an inscrutable enemy destroyed by their own hubris. Best of all, players are left wondering "what were they trying to prevent?"

I liked learning their purpose, it's a nice take on the fact that nothing is ever black and white, which is carried throughout the series.

[AmstradHero]

Sarah Knight wrote...
i think they should do a Documentary like besthda   did for skyrim it would be allot better for them to show us what they did and how it was created in their terms it be a nifty idea and a less raging community to  that and helping those who clearly   state "retake Me3" on retarded  Gay banners that they got going  on  on forums and what not. but eh  its a good point tho  but maybe shepard doesn't  Take part in the next one instead his or her young   takes part in  it and takes the leads on how their parent took off on in the previous games?  now that i think be an interesting twist since they had done the shepard holding the child in shepards dream sequence near the end of the game.

There's a "Final Hours" app that is a behind-the-scenes look at how the game and ending were created. While I've heard it's somewhat interesting, I'm afraid I can't support it or any other BioWare related product with any money at the moment.

Also, denigrating those people who are unhappy with the ending by saying they have "gay banners" is uncalled for and offensive. That kind of talk has no place in a reasoned argument. Don't attack the people, attack their arguments.

Mass Effect 3 was always going to be the end of Shepard's story. This was stated repeatedly by BioWare. Bringing Shepard back for future games set in the Mass Effect universe would be unachievable.

Gweedotk wrote...
I liked learning their purpose, it's a nice take on the fact that nothing is ever black and white, which is carried
throughout the series.

Personally, I'd contend that the "logic" that is used to justify the ending is entirely black and white. "Synthetics will kill organics." There's no room for interpretation, middle ground or argument. We're just expected to accept it as fact without any justification. Actually, it's not even black and white, it's just a single colour.

The explanation of the Reapers undermined their "unknowable" purpose and overwhelming power and mystique, and basically turned them into giant galactic vacuum cleaners. Sovereign's speech on Virmire is now forever pathetic and underwhelming because the purpose of the Reapers is laughably simple to explain.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 01 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[Archonsg]

I agree with Amstradhero. We humans fear a lot of things, but most of all the unknown. The dark places where things in the past jump out to eat us. And the Reapers were literally monsters come out of the dark to consume us, even if it's liquefied goo.

The moment you try to explain them, or give reason to why the Reapers do what they do, even if it does not make sense, and more so if it does, you remove that element of the unknown, thus lessening the object from monster to something that's just misunderstood.

[Sarah Knight]

AmstradHero wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
i think they should do a Documentary like besthda   did for skyrim it would be allot better for them to show us what they did and how it was created in their terms it be a nifty idea and a less raging community to  that and helping those who clearly   state "retake Me3" on retarded  Gay banners that they got going  on  on forums and what not. but eh  its a good point tho  but maybe shepard doesn't  Take part in the next one instead his or her young   takes part in  it and takes the leads on how their parent took off on in the previous games?  now that i think be an interesting twist since they had done the shepard holding the child in shepards dream sequence near the end of the game.

There's a "Final Hours" app that is a behind-the-scenes look at how the game and ending were created. While I've heard it's somewhat interesting, I'm afraid I can't support it or any other BioWare related product with any money at the moment.

Also, denigrating those people who are unhappy with the ending by saying they have "gay banners" is uncalled for and offensive. That kind of talk has no place in a reasoned argument. Don't attack the people, attack their arguments.

Mass Effect 3 was always going to be the end of Shepard's story. This was stated repeatedly by BioWare. Bringing Shepard back for future games set in the Mass Effect universe would be unachievable.

Gweedotk wrote...
I liked learning their purpose, it's a nice take on the fact that nothing is ever black and white, which is carried
throughout the series.

Personally, I'd contend that the "logic" that is used to justify the ending is entirely black and white. "Synthetics will kill organics." There's no room for interpretation, middle ground or argument. We're just expected to accept it as fact without any justification. Actually, it's not even black and white, it's just a single colour.

The explanation of the Reapers undermined their "unknowable" purpose and overwhelming power and mystique, and basically turned them into giant galactic vacuum cleaners. Sovereign's speech on Virmire is now forever pathetic and underwhelming because the purpose of the Reapers is laughably simple to explain.

the one thing that you don't understand i wasn't attacking people  Deliberately  or even intentionally  i was stating that  their was more than one Reason for this crap Ending that  people are Crying about but what people don't realize is that the original  Creator of Me Quit  as did the one for ME2   the one on Me3 however had no  Clue What the hell on gods green earth he was doing  hell i could train a monkey  to do tricks better then this guy could designing a good ending   hell my own sister who works at 3drealms did  great on   Dukenukems  franchise andh as been a proud worker their and im proud of her myself which i plan to take into her area of expertise   but i'm not attacking  the people  just their banners  they need a better outcry then that  really because  you cant  Recall Every Game Released globally  like  you could with a car company that had a  critical fault in it that could  Kill some one.

games dont to be honest. hell one guy called "gobeta"  Got the one forum i was on Locked down cause of him  Straying off course of what the thread was on about.