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[3DandBeyond]

Sarah Knight wrote...


Na  i didn't leave hun  just didn't want to talk to him  or it idk which  but i'm trying to keep my moods down to a minamum atm  so i don't get banned from the social bioware network not trying to any way just hard as it is since i am a mother to be >_< not my first time mind you lawl... but yes i know i shouldn't be pushing it but from the perspective i've gotten  from a good majority of people on this forum it always seems like their going to hate >_<

Mirrors are useful.

There's really no need to come on here and spew the kind of hatred, calling everyone on youtube or that finds something valid in indoctrination potheads.  And when I tried to point out that even the devs were going to write that into the ending before deciding it was too complicated to work out, you don't offer anything constructive.  You just say that was a fail. 

For the record, I never said I believed indoctrination to be what happened but people are entitled to their opinion and don't need to be called names because of it. 

And just because you know the ME story (so do a lot of people that believe IT), doesn't mean it can't be changed or retconned.  They've done it with other things in the story.  It makes a lot more sense than that an indoctrinated illusive man all of a sudden can control you-when did they ever say that was possible with indoctrination?  But he does control you and makes you shoot Anderson.

[AmstradHero]

Sarah Knight wrote...
the one thing that you don't understand i wasn't attacking people  Deliberately  or even intentionally  i was stating that  their was more than one Reason for this crap Ending that  people are Crying about but what people don't realize is that the original  Creator of Me Quit  as did the one for ME2   the one on Me3 however had no  Clue What the hell on gods green earth he was doing  hell i could train a monkey  to do tricks better then this guy could designing a good ending   hell my own sister who works at 3drealms did  great on   Dukenukems  franchise andh as been a proud worker their and im proud of her myself which i plan to take into her area of expertise   but i'm not attacking  the people  just their banners  they need a better outcry then that  really because  you cant  Recall Every Game Released globally  like  you could with a car company that had a  critical fault in it that could  Kill some one.

games dont to be honest. hell one guy called "gobeta"  Got the one forum i was on Locked down cause of him  Straying off course of what the thread was on about.

I'm actually finding it hard to understand you at all because you're not structuring your sentences properly and aren't including any punctuation. This makes it difficult to work out where one sentence starts and another begins, thus any point you are trying to make is largely lost.

It's also not hard to simply be civil. No one is attacking you personally, so you should extend that courtesy to others. An unintentional insult is still an insult.

You seem to be claiming that there was a change in senior levels of control of the Mass Effect series. You're partially correct. Casey Hudson has been the project lead since the beginning of the series, but Drew Karpyshan stopped his duties as lead writer part way through development of ME2, and Mac Walters took over. I'd make sure you get your facts straight before you start making claims about the competency of others.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 01 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[3DandBeyond]

Sarah Knight wrote...

the one thing that you don't understand i wasn't attacking people  Deliberately  or even intentionally  i was stating that  their was more than one Reason for this crap Ending that  people are Crying about but what people don't realize is that the original  Creator of Me Quit  as did the one for ME2   the one on Me3 however had no  Clue What the hell on gods green earth he was doing  hell i could train a monkey  to do tricks better then this guy could designing a good ending   hell my own sister who works at 3drealms did  great on   Dukenukems  franchise andh as been a proud worker their and im proud of her myself which i plan to take into her area of expertise   but i'm not attacking  the people  just their banners  they need a better outcry then that  really because  you cant  Recall Every Game Released globally  like  you could with a car company that had a  critical fault in it that could  Kill some one.

games dont to be honest. hell one guy called "gobeta"  Got the one forum i was on Locked down cause of him  Straying off course of what the thread was on about.

Sorry but all you have done is attack people.  You call those that think indoctrination makes sense or that are on youtube potheads.  You called me a cry baby and other things.  You've used the word retarded to refer to people and so on and so forth.  Before you cast judgement on people you might actually want to read what they've posted.  Instead you come here and start calling names. 

You said they should do a documentary and were told there already is "the Final Hours" app.  I have it.  You don't.  It has a lot of information that actually says they were considering indoctrination.  There's a lot of back story in it.

Since I think your post is saying you think the ending is crap, ok your post is really hard to understand.  I think you think it's crap, well you are contradicting yourself.  You told me that I should just be so thankful to Bioware for what they've given us and not be a cry baby.

I don't want a crap ending.  You don't want one apparently either.  So, what the heck? 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[Aylyese]

Sarah Knight wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
i think they should do a Documentary like besthda   did for skyrim it would be allot better for them to show us what they did and how it was created in their terms it be a nifty idea and a less raging community to  that and helping those who clearly   state "retake Me3" on retarded  Gay banners that they got going  on  on forums and what not. but eh  its a good point tho  but maybe shepard doesn't  Take part in the next one instead his or her young   takes part in  it and takes the leads on how their parent took off on in the previous games?  now that i think be an interesting twist since they had done the shepard holding the child in shepards dream sequence near the end of the game.

There's a "Final Hours" app that is a behind-the-scenes look at how the game and ending were created. While I've heard it's somewhat interesting, I'm afraid I can't support it or any other BioWare related product with any money at the moment.

Also, denigrating those people who are unhappy with the ending by saying they have "gay banners" is uncalled for and offensive. That kind of talk has no place in a reasoned argument. Don't attack the people, attack their arguments.

Mass Effect 3 was always going to be the end of Shepard's story. This was stated repeatedly by BioWare. Bringing Shepard back for future games set in the Mass Effect universe would be unachievable.

Gweedotk wrote...
I liked learning their purpose, it's a nice take on the fact that nothing is ever black and white, which is carried
throughout the series.

Personally, I'd contend that the "logic" that is used to justify the ending is entirely black and white. "Synthetics will kill organics." There's no room for interpretation, middle ground or argument. We're just expected to accept it as fact without any justification. Actually, it's not even black and white, it's just a single colour.

The explanation of the Reapers undermined their "unknowable" purpose and overwhelming power and mystique, and basically turned them into giant galactic vacuum cleaners. Sovereign's speech on Virmire is now forever pathetic and underwhelming because the purpose of the Reapers is laughably simple to explain.

the one thing that you don't understand i wasn't attacking people  Deliberately  or even intentionally  i was stating that  their was more than one Reason for this crap Ending that  people are Crying about but what people don't realize is that the original  Creator of Me Quit  as did the one for ME2   the one on Me3 however had no  Clue What the hell on gods green earth he was doing  hell i could train a monkey  to do tricks better then this guy could designing a good ending   hell my own sister who works at 3drealms did  great on   Dukenukems  franchise andh as been a proud worker their and im proud of her myself which i plan to take into her area of expertise   but i'm not attacking  the people  just their banners  they need a better outcry then that  really because  you cant  Recall Every Game Released globally  like  you could with a car company that had a  critical fault in it that could  Kill some one.

games dont to be honest. hell one guy called "gobeta"  Got the one forum i was on Locked down cause of him  Straying off course of what the thread was on about.

Oh for the love of god, punctuation. Please.

[Voodoo-j]

Sarah Knight wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

Nice Epic Fail in your Defense  understand the Me Franchise btw  i know what i am talking about  which is rather funny that you  try to prove me wrong by defending those  Pot heads that make those Vids   thats all youtube is   Posers pot heads or lowlifes  that just want attention  for the vid that they make you and every one else who thinks the indoctrination theory   was what ME1  was about clearly proves my point that no one truly understands the ME franchise is truly about   maybe a few  but those who complain about it clearly do not understand it Aka you and every other cry baby clinging to the indoctrination theory  using that as an attack basis for  Biowares  integrity   honestly i don't know if i should find that funny or sad  perhaps both   but whats the use when the one i am commenting on wont listen to reason? or even the facts thats been slapping you and every other cry baby out their in the face the whole entire time? you and every one else who is solely attacking bioware needs to appreciate what they do for us  and see what their trying to come across  and on top of they had 3 Different writes  for the games  the Guy that made ME1 Quit  the one that made ME2  Also quit   Me3 Didn't know crap about mass effect (writer for bioware) its clear to me that only one person is to blame not  entire bioware just one guy that they clearly hired without bringing them up to speed and them understanding the franchise.


any way i'm not going to Argue with a baby that has no sense of  Honor or reasoning   Good Day pendajo...

While you do push the tone of "haters gonna hate"

You do have a valid point.
http://kotaku.com/58...es-games-behind 

Well almost valid.. he left 
FEB 17, 2012 12:30 AM 

Na  i didn't leave hun  just didn't want to talk to him  or it idk which  but i'm trying to keep my moods down to a minamum atm  so i don't get banned from the social bioware network not trying to any way just hard as it is since i am a mother to be >_< not my first time mind you lawl... but yes i know i shouldn't be pushing it but from the perspective i've gotten  from a good majority of people on this forum it always seems like their going to hate >_<

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the lead writer. (the one you said didn't write ME 2)
He was lead on ME 1 and co lead on ME 2.  Nothing I see on his site for ME 3 but he left Bioware this past Feb.
This is the same author that wrote the ME books.
Reading through his blog it appears he had nothing to do with ME 3 and hasn't even had time to play it.
He also doesn't want to speculate anything on the subject.

A link to a page he has - 
http://drewkarpyshyn.com/c/?page_id=57 

Hence the - almost valid.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 01 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[Voodoo-j]

So perhaps that also has not helped the ending.

[Archonsg]

Which is kinda odd if you ask me. He still works for Bioware of sorts. Just not on ME3, but on TOR.

ps:
One would think that you'd want to finish your work in progress first before moving someone off said project.

pps:
But.... Star Wars has SPACE MAGIC! 

Modifié par Archonsg, 01 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[Kain82]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I cant wait till the extended ending then at least you all will have something almost new to complain about......Also it will put a end to the Indoctrination idiocy.

we'll just have to wait a see... and just cause you don't have the brain capacity to understand what the indoctrination theory is all about doesn't make it idiocy. to each their own.

[Redbelle]

kryarm wrote...

We want the 16 different endings we were promised. Not 3 different colors. Also, that god child thing was just stupid. Please remove it. It only makes humanity look stupid.

Actually, I raised the issue of different ending before and someone proved their are 16 different endings...... just 16 different endings with the same footage with minor tweaks here and there. So while we did get the endings promised, it was a bit like opening a tube of smarties promising new colour only to discover they are all slightly different shades of red, blue or green.

[TGSP]

I have a question for anyone with the Final Hours app or access to info I've missed; With reguards to any version of the endings, including the IT, the starchild entity claims to control the Reapers and is the citadel.

Whenever a cycle ends there is a war which must take a few reapers at least, surely as the overseer of the grand plan to store civilizations in reaper form, you've got to realise that sooner or later all the reapers made from species X are going to be destroyed in said wars. Whereas if you indoctrinated everyone on board the citadel, either they would have enough influence to reduce resistance to the reapers' arrival or they would be able to get the people with the correct political placing into situations where they could be indoctrinated.

Taking that into account, why didn't it start indoctrinating everyone on the citadel a few centuries/millenia before the reapers returned?

[Archonsg]

Kain82 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

I cant wait till the extended ending then at least you all will have something almost new to complain about......Also it will put a end to the Indoctrination idiocy.

we'll just have to wait a see... and just cause you don't have the brain capacity to understand what the indoctrination theory is all about doesn't make it idiocy. to each their own.

Come now, no need to be hostile to each other.
I personally don't like nor agree with IT as most posters seem to see it happen, aka you choose the destruction choice which equates to your mind's own loophole which is your way out of IT.

I prefer to follow Ockham's Razor in the case of IT which is to make the least amount of assumptions and use the simplest most direct explanation possible.

In thiscase, is that all three choices are given by the AI-child, all choices are Indoctrination traps and that all three choices were attempts to indoctrinate Shepard. Consider that you are logically missing the fourth choice, and that the xbox (we'll take this as the "standard" choice selection device even though I am a PC man myself) controller has 4 buttons, RED, BLUE, GREEN and the missing YELLOW choice.

In this case, they (Bioware) decided on the "artistic" choice of NOT including that fourth YELLOW choice which logically would have been for Shepard TO REFUSE all three choices and thus not succumb to Indoctrination and thus you get to the "real" ending. Accepting any choice given to you by the AI-Child = accepting indoctrination = Shepard as he is, is gone, and so is his will, mind and desire to fight against the reapers. Anything he does there after is suspect.
I personally think this is much more palatable a scenario where Shepard had the indoctrination screws put on him but was able to HEROICLY break free of it and thus remain as he is and not tainted by indoctrination.

PS: remember that I said I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to IT and would prefer a complete retcon, but at least IT gives Bioware a WAY out if they played it right. Just add in that fourth choice as an interrupt, then put in whatever you need to, to fix that pile of manure you came up in the first place. Everyone wins, the IT people get their "IT attempt" , those who prefer new and different endings get their endings and those who are happy with the endings as they are, are welcome to just pick RED, BLUE or GREEN.

Modifié par Archonsg, 01 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[Archonsg]

TGSP wrote...

I have a question for anyone with the Final Hours app or access to info I've missed; With reguards to any version of the endings, including the IT, the starchild entity claims to control the Reapers and is the citadel.

Whenever a cycle ends there is a war which must take a few reapers at least, surely as the overseer of the grand plan to store civilizations in reaper form, you've got to realise that sooner or later all the reapers made from species X are going to be destroyed in said wars. Whereas if you indoctrinated everyone on board the citadel, either they would have enough influence to reduce resistance to the reapers' arrival or they would be able to get the people with the correct political placing into situations where they could be indoctrinated.

Taking that into account, why didn't it start indoctrinating everyone on the citadel a few centuries/millenia before the reapers returned?

Very likey because the Star Child is a last minute addition came up by whomever came up with that last 10 minutes of crap.

Modifié par Archonsg, 01 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[Redbelle]

In final fantasy 8, to get a powerful summon, you have to choose a hidden forth option that only appear when you scroll down beyond the given options.

[Redbelle]

I think one of the reasons IT came to be so embraced is that it would have given you one thing you never got to do in game. Lock horns with harbinger. I know Reapers die thanks to Shepard but they die due to military might and Thresher Maw.

Shepard never really got to fight one solo because..... well, their as big as skyscrapers and have alot of firepower than a man in armour can overcome. So obviously Shep could not take one down without a lot of help. But IT gives us a way in which Shep can fight a Reaper with nothing but himself.

I feel that was what was missing fro the end. A means to defeat the Reapers. The whole trilogy was about stopping them, which, when we learned what they were turned into 'survive and stop them' which then turned into 'listen to the kid and do something that may or may not stop them'.

I'd have been happier if Harby had attached to the catalyst to try and take control of it giving Shep the chance to jump on board him. IT gives Shep the opportunity to shake indoc off once but once Shep gets on Harby he'll be indoc'd again so it would be a race against time to do something aboard while attached to the catalyst to destroy all reapers while sacrificing oneself in the process.

I feel an ending such as the one described would have stayed truer to ME's action roleplay roots while letting us confront the Reaper who has been taunting us since Sovereign died.

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 mai 2012 - 11:06 .

[sheppy89]

For me the ending was good at the beginning, but reviewing it once again i saw many incongruences and i'm disappointed.
So i would like that Shepard was dreaming after he was hit on Earth and the real ending is another one; a saga like this deserves a proper ending.
It would be awesome if in the next dlc we could have a real ending of this epic battle against the Reapers; you have the talent to write a something better.

Please Bioware, keep listening.

[darkway1]

I've been doing some research about the back story of Mass Effect and found a few youtube vids that puts the whole game series into context,everything I've seen so far revolves around the Dark Energy concept.
The dark energy concept explains pretty much everything,why the collectors focus on humans (mass2),the reapers etc.............so the obvious question that sprang to mind was why does the concept get dropped for Mass3........the present ending is not only poorly produced but seems to dismiss the original concept Bioware has been running with.....why???.....it's not like they came up with anything better?....I still can't get my head around the idea that Bioware has produced an ending that has done obvious damage to their own credibility and franchise.

Modifié par darkway1, 01 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[Redbelle]

If memory serves the dark energy ending was dropped due to a writer leaving or due to a leak.

I agree that the dark energy ending would have given the creative team more room to maneuveur the story. I still have a a slight fixation on Shepard using dark energy to have a mexican standoff with the Reapers in a 'Don't harvest us or we all go', moment.

[3DandBeyond]

TGSP wrote...

I have a question for anyone with the Final Hours app or access to info I've missed; With reguards to any version of the endings, including the IT, the starchild entity claims to control the Reapers and is the citadel.

Whenever a cycle ends there is a war which must take a few reapers at least, surely as the overseer of the grand plan to store civilizations in reaper form, you've got to realise that sooner or later all the reapers made from species X are going to be destroyed in said wars. Whereas if you indoctrinated everyone on board the citadel, either they would have enough influence to reduce resistance to the reapers' arrival or they would be able to get the people with the correct political placing into situations where they could be indoctrinated.

Taking that into account, why didn't it start indoctrinating everyone on the citadel a few centuries/millenia before the reapers returned?

They didn't discuss that in it.  The Final Hours gives some back story on ideas and such that they floated about.  It also give bios on all that worked on it and things like that.

[darkway1]

Redbelle wrote...

If memory serves the dark energy ending was dropped due to a writer leaving or due to a leak.

I agree that the dark energy ending would have given the creative team more room to maneuveur the story. I still have a a slight fixation on Shepard using dark energy to have a mexican standoff with the Reapers in a 'Don't harvest us or we all go', moment.

From my understanding the dark energy is a whole different type of bad guy and the reapers want to make a human reaper to combat this "dark energy"....if this is the case then I assume it was dropped because of the epic size of the concept.......it just could not be handled with in the context of a single game(Mass3).

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

I've been doing some research about the back story of Mass Effect and found a few youtube vids that puts the whole game series into context,everything I've seen so far revolves around the Dark Energy concept.
The dark energy concept explains pretty much everything,why the collectors focus on humans (mass2),the reapers etc.............so the obvious question that sprang to mind was why does the concept get dropped for Mass3........the present ending is not only poorly produced but seems to dismiss the original concept Bioware has been running with.....why???.....it's not like they came up with anything better?....I still can't get my head around the idea that Bioware has produced an ending that has done obvious damage to their own credibility and franchise.

The original dark energy ending was the idea of the writer Drew K.- who didn't work on ME3.  Many see it as actually allowing even fewer choices or less use of all the decisions made through the games than you got.  You could kill the reapers who fear dark energy.  They were a group of people that fused together to stop it.  Or you were supposed to try and find a way to stop dark energy, even possibly joining with the reapers.  The reapers actually saw humans as something special due to their diversity.

Here's info on it...http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5557/article/former-mass-effect-lead-writer-defends-series-conclusion/.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mai 2012 - 11:56 .

[X-Com_Psi_Amp]

I'll show why the dark energy route makes as much sense as the ending we got (ie: none at all)

http://science.nasa....is-dark-energy/
http://edelweiss.in2...rkMatterPie.jpg

dark energy is a COSMIC force

Observable matter is less than 1% of the Universe
The milky way galaxy is less than 1% of that

we're supposed to believe that cleansing Organics in one niche minority Galaxy is supposed to have any effect at all on the expansion of the Universe?

You can NOT stop dark energy.

That's like trying to stop the Earth from circling around the Sun... by killing cows

Modifié par X-Com_Psi_Amp, 01 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[darkway1]

3DandBeyond wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I've been doing some research about the back story of Mass Effect and found a few youtube vids that puts the whole game series into context,everything I've seen so far revolves around the Dark Energy concept.
The dark energy concept explains pretty much everything,why the collectors focus on humans (mass2),the reapers etc.............so the obvious question that sprang to mind was why does the concept get dropped for Mass3........the present ending is not only poorly produced but seems to dismiss the original concept Bioware has been running with.....why???.....it's not like they came up with anything better?....I still can't get my head around the idea that Bioware has produced an ending that has done obvious damage to their own credibility and franchise.

The original dark energy ending was the idea of the writer Drew K.- who didn't work on ME3.  Many see it as actually allowing even fewer choices or less use of all the decisions made through the games than you got.  You could kill the reapers who fear dark energy.  They were a group of people that fused together to stop it.  Or you were supposed to try and find a way to stop dark energy, even possibly joining with the reapers.  The reapers actually saw humans as something special due to their diversity.

Here's info on it...http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5557/article/former-mass-effect-lead-writer-defends-series-conclusion/.

Thanks for the link......it does put Mass1 and 2 events into context very well (as it should really,lol).......sooooo.......they changed all this cos the current ending was deemed better?????

[MaxMcKay]

umm anyone notice how long it's been since a Bioware person was seen in this thread? Or is it just me?

[darkway1]

MaxMcKay wrote...

umm anyone notice how long it's been since a Bioware person was seen in this thread? Or is it just me?

Does it matter,when they do listen they don't say anything anyway.....this is a place to have a moan among like minded moaner's.......here,have a seat,a beer....and have a good old moan.

[Redbelle]

darkway1 wrote...

MaxMcKay wrote...

umm anyone notice how long it's been since a Bioware person was seen in this thread? Or is it just me?

Does it matter,when they do listen they don't say anything anyway.....this is a place to have a moan among like minded moaner's.......here,have a seat,a beer....and have a good old moan.

Aaaaah beer, at least you'll never betray me