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[darkway1]

Katarn84 wrote...

 Just finished first playthrough (between Grissom Academy bug and real live I took it slowly) and got best ending with synthesis, what can I say?

This game is effing AWESOME! I don't care what others say about it, I loved the game, I loved the plot and I loved the ending. IMHO it's an epic win.

Although I'd like to know what happens to all my allies, I only saw Joker, EDI and Tali crash landing with the Normandy, if I'm correct there's going to be a DLC to expand this point, right?

Good for you,glad to see you loved the game.........yes there will be DLC to expand/explain the ending.......how and what it will address is unknown?

[HomerIsLegend]

3DandBeyond wrote...

That's one of the big things though as I see it.  You played full on renegade, expecting to die.  Go out in a blaze of glory.  Totally satisfying and easily accepted, understandable ending.  But both the renegade (who I don't see as sinful, I see as abrupt, hurried, impatient, and even bold) and the paragon (not saintly, but thoughtful, hesistant, mulls over different scenarios, decisive when all facts are presented) do the same stupid thing. 

That is, the renegade that pushes people out the window, punches reporters, insults and threatens doesn't even raise a finger of protest.  The thoughty, questioning paragon does the same and just lumbers off when given "choices".  Yeah, ok forget about what someone might do in the real world, this wouldn't happen in a full on space magic world.  Shepard could be rendered down to one crawling charred partly synthetic hand and would still raise it to say, "uh wait, what?" as a Paragon and would have turned it into a fist and started punching the kid as a Renegade.  Then, the hand would have grabbed the kid and indicated he needed to think again. 

I definitely played and saw my Ren. as evil so as usual with these games it's all open to the player's interpretation.

[M8DMAN]

I thought the ending completely destroyed the replay value. To be honest I haven't even touched ME3 since I've finished it.

Thanks for the $69.99 dollar paper weight Bioware.

[darkway1]

M8DMAN wrote...

I thought the ending completely destroyed the replay value. To be honest I haven't even touched ME3 since I've finished it.

Thanks for the $69.99 dollar paper weight Bioware.

LOL......yeah I'm the same,I play the muliplayer just to get some value out of it.......there's just no insentive to blowing up the universe again and again,no real different endings,no rewards......at least with Mass2 you had different LI to explore,quests you could screw up etc

It's not as bad as the latest Duke nukem game though.....I use that game to put my coffee cup on,it's become an expensive coaster. 

[Redbelle]

HomerIsLegend wrote...

Katarn84 wrote...

 Although I'd like to know what happens to all my allies, I only saw Joker, EDI and Tali crash landing with the Normandy, if I'm correct there's going to be a DLC to expand this point, right?

Wait... you just contradicted yourself a bit mate.. if you're fine with the open ending why do you need expansion DLC?  You already know what happened to your allies... they flew off in the middle of the galaxy's final battle and crash landed in Hawaii.

I don't think he has contradicted himself as he states he loved the playthough and ending. He has merely picked up on the fact that not all squad mates are represented at the end cinematic. While this is one of a number of area's of concern long time anti enders have spotted and pin on a slip in narrative cohesion, I think it's important to note taht as a first time playthrough the posters experience was different from ours.

It's finding out why he feels the ending hits the mark that I am curious about. What did he see in the ending that resolved the game......... the alternative perspective could be enlightening.

[Benchpress610]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

My biggest fear is with regards to Bioware it's self,it's not like a bunch of amateurs were responsible for the ending,Bioware them selves think that the ending is perfectly fine,as intended,which in it's self demonstrates how truly blinkered they are to some pretty serious plot issues.

If they honestly think their product is 100% solid then the Bioware we love is sadly lost.

Indeed. I have hopes that this is a stunt but over 2 months those hopes have dwindled....... That said while BW are defending their baby I also hope they are taking away lessons form this. First and foremost. You do not pump 100% effort into a labour of love and then fall down exhausted before you deliver an ending worthy of all the previous efforts.

My nasty mind just went somewhere well nasty.  And in my nasty mind I actually see that something that unfulfilled doesn't even result in a baby at all.  Ok, I need to stop.

I think given that statements are out there from one of the writers as to what happened with the ending it may well be that people are walking the party line.  The writers didn't come up with the ending, apparently.  One person did, alone.  I have no doubt if this is true that the others don't just love the ending.  They all may have discussed it, but weren't involved in the implementation.

Ok, nasty mind back again.  If only one person worked on it, again there's no baby.  And the others that want you to look at their cute kid are looking at something that doesn't exist.

Baby?...What baby?...that kid looks like a toddler, and not particularly cute...

[darkway1]

Redbelle wrote...

HomerIsLegend wrote...

Katarn84 wrote...

 Although I'd like to know what happens to all my allies, I only saw Joker, EDI and Tali crash landing with the Normandy, if I'm correct there's going to be a DLC to expand this point, right?

Wait... you just contradicted yourself a bit mate.. if you're fine with the open ending why do you need expansion DLC?  You already know what happened to your allies... they flew off in the middle of the galaxy's final battle and crash landed in Hawaii.

I don't think he has contradicted himself as he states he loved the playthough and ending. He has merely picked up on the fact that not all squad mates are represented at the end cinematic. While this is one of a number of area's of concern long time anti enders have spotted and pin on a slip in narrative cohesion, I think it's important to note taht as a first time playthrough the posters experience was different from ours.

It's finding out why he feels the ending hits the mark that I am curious about. What did he see in the ending that resolved the game......... the alternative perspective could be enlightening.

There's quite a few people who like the game as a straight shooter,I have a few mates who had no interest until Mass3 came along .......if you haven't played Mass1 and 2 then it's very hard to connect with the characters in Mass3, you have no idea about squad members history,no past LI,no clue to what Shepard has actually done etc.......it almost feels detached from the rest of the games.So my mates who haven't played Mass1 and 2 simply don't share my own views on Mass3 with regards to the ending.........it's not about the ending,it's about shooting stuff,to them.

[MtOMajorCat0311]

I have replayed the game several times, but only twice to the endings (one sythesis - which seemed wrong somehow, and one destroy which seemed right but flawed), On the three successive playthroughs (different sheps) I have stopped right before Cronos (Cerberus), as I just can't seem to bear moving forward from that point, knowing what is coming. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but I keep hoping that a fix will come eventually that makes playing it through to the end worthwhile and fulfilling - instead of a gut-wrenching void...

[Benchpress610]

MtOMajorCat0311 wrote...

I have replayed the game several times, but only twice to the endings (one sythesis - which seemed wrong somehow, and one destroy which seemed right but flawed), On the three successive playthroughs (different sheps) I have stopped right before Cronos (Cerberus), as I just can't seem to bear moving forward from that point, knowing what is coming. Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but I keep hoping that a fix will come eventually that makes playing it through to the end worthwhile and fulfilling - instead of a gut-wrenching void...

That’s exactly how I feel. I have done only one play through. Then, I have several imports at different stages of the game: Tuchanka, Ranoch and just before the Cerberus HQ. Then, I have three on Earth at the beginning just waiting for and hoping for a fix to the ending. I’ve been playing MP just to increase my EMS to assure the best outcome when and if it comes.

[Redbelle]

ok, a quick look through the in game ending credits shows 8 writers who contributed to the story of mass effect. Assuming they didn't split up to write different parts of the game, i.e. rannoch, Tchunka etc, I submit these 8 people held the narrative together throughout the majority of the game.

A post that is supposed to have been posted by one of these writers then goes up and is then taken down again, but not before someone screen captures it and is put up on another website.

Link: http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/

I've confirmed the name of the person who wrote the post has his name appear in the game credits as a writer. This is the best source I have found so far that explains just how Bioware got it wrong, who got it wrong, and why.... if the extended cut DLC comments made at Pax East are accurate, I have hope that the ending will be fixed/clarified as all 8 writers are back on the job instead of the 2 who wrote the original ME3 ending.

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 mai 2012 - 05:33 .

[Mooseboy0188]

Redbelle wrote...

ok, a quick look through the in game ending credits shows 8 writers who contributed to the story of mass effect. Assuming they didn't split up to write different parts of the game, i.e. rannoch, Tchunka etc, I submit these 8 people held the narrative together throughout the majority of the game.

A post that is supposed to have been posted by one of these writers then goes up and is then taken down again, but not before someone screen captures it and is put up on another website.

Link: http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/

I've confirmed the name of the person who wrote the post has his name appear in the game credits as a writer. This is the best source I have found so far that explains just how Bioware got it wrong, who got it wrong, and why.... if the extended cut DLC comments made at Pax East are accurate, I have hope that the ending will be fixed/clarified as all 8 writers are back on the job instead of the 2 who wrote the original ME3 ending.

If that article is true, then that's really sad.  And it kind of blows their whole "team's artistic integrity" argument out of the water.

[Makrys]

Mooseboy0188 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

ok, a quick look through the in game ending credits shows 8 writers who contributed to the story of mass effect. Assuming they didn't split up to write different parts of the game, i.e. rannoch, Tchunka etc, I submit these 8 people held the narrative together throughout the majority of the game.

A post that is supposed to have been posted by one of these writers then goes up and is then taken down again, but not before someone screen captures it and is put up on another website.

Link: http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/

I've confirmed the name of the person who wrote the post has his name appear in the game credits as a writer. This is the best source I have found so far that explains just how Bioware got it wrong, who got it wrong, and why.... if the extended cut DLC comments made at Pax East are accurate, I have hope that the ending will be fixed/clarified as all 8 writers are back on the job instead of the 2 who wrote the original ME3 ending.

If that article is true, then that's really sad.  And it kind of blows their whole "team's artistic integrity" argument out of the water.

Patrick Weekes has consistently said those words were not his. He has denied he ever said those things. So... I don't really know what to think of the articles that have featured those quotes. Either he's lying (which I doubt), or the articles were somehow fabricated against Bioware. Don't know... but just sayin'. He's said he never spoke those words.

[Pkxm]

if it really is patrick i hope he didnt get into trouble over those comments. everything he said was 100% truth

[ghost9191]

Makrys wrote...

Mooseboy0188 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

ok, a quick look through the in game ending credits shows 8 writers who contributed to the story of mass effect. Assuming they didn't split up to write different parts of the game, i.e. rannoch, Tchunka etc, I submit these 8 people held the narrative together throughout the majority of the game.

A post that is supposed to have been posted by one of these writers then goes up and is then taken down again, but not before someone screen captures it and is put up on another website.

Link: http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/

I've confirmed the name of the person who wrote the post has his name appear in the game credits as a writer. This is the best source I have found so far that explains just how Bioware got it wrong, who got it wrong, and why.... if the extended cut DLC comments made at Pax East are accurate, I have hope that the ending will be fixed/clarified as all 8 writers are back on the job instead of the 2 who wrote the original ME3 ending.

If that article is true, then that's really sad.  And it kind of blows their whole "team's artistic integrity" argument out of the water.

Patrick Weekes has consistently said those words were not his. He has denied he ever said those things. So... I don't really know what to think of the articles that have featured those quotes. Either he's lying (which I doubt), or the articles were somehow fabricated against Bioware. Don't know... but just sayin'. He's said he never spoke those words.

did anyone from bioware come out and deny that at all?  And seeing how the first ending was leaked it is understandable that they wished to keep it quiet, even if it hurt the ending only having only two people working on it(if it is true).

[3DandBeyond]

If indeed someone is out there fabricating things like this then they are helping no one. You need to keep it real. The writing was bad, but if it wasn't because of one person then this is ridiculous. All it does is foster a lot of negativity, ill will, and all on both sides.

If he did however say it (which looking back on it might not make sense because I am sure he has a non-disclosure agreement and it's not smart to criticize your bosses, anyway), then it's really condemning.

But, lies are often swirling around such things-some people just doe it to stir the pot. So sad.

It calls into question everything that gets written unless by "reputable" (whatever that means) sources.

But this is interesting info:

http://masseffectclu...eekes-294868077

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mai 2012 - 07:04 .

[Redbelle]

I found a thread that reports to have unofficial interview conversation with PW.

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/11154234

Interestingingly in the thread he says that the relays did not rupture and nova. They overloaded and did not go Boooooom. Also there is reference to Joker running away and the EC DLC will clear up that question, how plot relevant characters on the citadel may have used emergency shelters and survived....... <speculation> potentially making attempts early in game to increase the defence of the station more relevant to the end <end speculation>, The fate of Harby, etc.

Gonna see if I can find a clearer and confirmed transcript of this but the thread has this down as NOT OFFICIAL Bioware statements.

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

I found a thread that reports to have unofficial interview conversation with PW.

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/11154234

Interestingingly in the thread he says that the relays did not rupture and nova. They overloaded and did not go Boooooom. Also there is reference to Joker running away and the EC DLC will clear up that question, how plot relevant characters on the citadel may have used emergency shelters and survived....... <speculation> potentially making attempts early in game to increase the defence of the station more relevant to the end <end speculation>, The fate of Harby, etc.

Gonna see if I can find a clearer and confirmed transcript of this but the thread has this down as NOT OFFICIAL Bioware statements.

Ha, I think I was posting this same thing but from another site. 

[Airell]

Well in 36 days we will find out about E.C.   E3 is june 5-8

Modifié par Airell, 01 mai 2012 - 08:00 .

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

thanatos again we have decent reasons and issues why we don't like the ending once again if you like the ending then why are you in a thread about people who don't and you can't say you have moved on because you keep coming back to this thread

Actually I am in a thread to tell about our favorite moment in the
game.....But I digress. I didn't say you cant complain I just said it
will give you something new to complain about.

[Redbelle]

Airell wrote...

Well in 36 days we will find out about E.C.   E3 is june 5-8

Woot! See you there Bioware!...........

Wow, After that I might have to make a T-shirt.

[Archonsg]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I found a thread that reports to have unofficial interview conversation with PW.

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/11154234

Interestingingly in the thread he says that the relays did not rupture and nova. They overloaded and did not go Boooooom. Also there is reference to Joker running away and the EC DLC will clear up that question, how plot relevant characters on the citadel may have used emergency shelters and survived....... <speculation> potentially making attempts early in game to increase the defence of the station more relevant to the end <end speculation>, The fate of Harby, etc.

Gonna see if I can find a clearer and confirmed transcript of this but the thread has this down as NOT OFFICIAL Bioware statements.

Ha, I think I was posting this same thing but from another site. 

That link made me sad.
It was as if PW was talking about an entirely different game. There is a huge difference when something "overloads and didn't explode..." to what we actually got.

Perhaps PW is in damage control and the EC will properly reflect this little lapse.

Just all the more evidence to cement my suspicion that the ending was scripted to look cool first, lore and logic be damned, by the auhor of the horrid mess and now people are scrambling to cover it all it as best they can.

[Kaipur]

Makrys wrote...

Mooseboy0188 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

ok, a quick look through the in game ending credits shows 8 writers who contributed to the story of mass effect. Assuming they didn't split up to write different parts of the game, i.e. rannoch, Tchunka etc, I submit these 8 people held the narrative together throughout the majority of the game.

A post that is supposed to have been posted by one of these writers then goes up and is then taken down again, but not before someone screen captures it and is put up on another website.

Link: http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/

I've confirmed the name of the person who wrote the post has his name appear in the game credits as a writer. This is the best source I have found so far that explains just how Bioware got it wrong, who got it wrong, and why.... if the extended cut DLC comments made at Pax East are accurate, I have hope that the ending will be fixed/clarified as all 8 writers are back on the job instead of the 2 who wrote the original ME3 ending.

If that article is true, then that's really sad.  And it kind of blows their whole "team's artistic integrity" argument out of the water.

Patrick Weekes has consistently said those words were not his. He has denied he ever said those things. So... I don't really know what to think of the articles that have featured those quotes. Either he's lying (which I doubt), or the articles were somehow fabricated against Bioware. Don't know... but just sayin'. He's said he never spoke those words.

No he said he didn't want those words ATTRIBUTED to him because he was afraid of losing his job.  Within an hour of having posted that rant he took them down and asked others to remove quotes from the article.  He panicked because he didn't want to be unemployed.  HOWEVER, if I were in his position I would have said screw it.  If I'm not going to be listened to as a frickin' writer then I can take it someone where my talents are respected.

[Insane_Ivan]

Just Checking in on the Thread and posting my anticipation for the DLC that I hope will save the franchise.  I really hope you guys do this game some Justice with the ending DLC.  So many of us want the franchise we were promised. 

Besides that.  I have a bunch of Mass Effect books, comic books, and games that I am waiting to see if I have to burn them and move on, or keep them as inspiration to my science fiction work.

EDIT:  I may or may not make several "Space Magic" references in my Scifi/Horror project in support of the Retake Mass Effect Movement.  Credit for the saying will go to the community and if I whenI make money off of it then I will donate a percentage to Child's Play.

Hold The Line

-Insane_Ivan

Modifié par Insane_Ivan, 01 mai 2012 - 08:54 .

[Thanatos144]

So I was playing my new game last night and I got to thinking.......How many of you ever pay any other game???I mean lets face it ME3 was a great game but I have loved many games and didnt like the end. ( No I did like this one so dont try) The point I am making is this if you dont think you can can play it any more I feel pity cause you miss out on all the great moments in the game just cause you didn't like how Shepard ends the war.If you ever play Infamous You understand a ending that makes you go WTF? Not that you diodnt understand it but that it came out of nowhere. Now if this is what you guys hate I would understand it.....

Modifié par Thanatos144, 01 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[Insane_Ivan]

Thanatos144 wrote...

So I was playing my new game last night and I got to thinking.......How many of you ever pay any other game???I mean lets face it ME3 was a great game but I have loved many games and didnt like the end. ( No I did like this one so dont try) The point I am making is this if you dont think you can can play it any more I feel pity cause you miss out on all the great moments in the game just cause you didn't like how Shepard ends the war.If you ever play Infamous You understand a ending that makes you go WTF? Not that you diodnt understand it but that it came out of nowhere. Now if this is what you guys hate I would understand it.....

There were great moments but the general consensus is that 99% of the game was great but the ending was so full of plot holes and broken promises (promises such as multiple endings which were not true).  I would suggest running a few searches in youtube to watch some good videos made by some talented people to help you understand exactaly why we are upset.  I just hope this expanded dlc does the franchise justice.

Example on what it was like for me.
-It is like going on the greatest rollercoaster ride you have ever been on.  The ups and downs, twists, spins,  stuff shooting at you, and you have the choice to switch over to several different tracks while still in the car.  Just when you are about to take a suicide dive in the car and experience the greatest momentof the ride . . . Then Bam it is over in the flash of three colors and thats it.  You get off the ride and just as your thinking "What the F***".  Starchild comes up to you and kicks you straight in the nuts.

Hold The Line

-Insane_Ivan