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[NOD-INFORMER37]

Its not over yet btw, check out this thread-

http://www.holdtheli...r-tsunami.1386/

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 01 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

So I was playing my new game last night and I got to thinking.......How many of you ever pay any other game???I mean lets face it ME3 was a great game but I have loved many games and didnt like the end. ( No I did like this one so dont try) The point I am making is this if you dont think you can can play it any more I feel pity cause you miss out on all the great moments in the game just cause you didn't like how Shepard ends the war.If you ever play Infamous You understand a ending that makes you go WTF? Not that you diodnt understand it but that it came out of nowhere. Now if this is what you guys hate I would understand it.....

Understand this, a lot of people don't live in your world.  For many people it isn't possible to buy a game every couple of months, so they save for a game they really want.  Other people put a lot of money into buying other things to help round out the series and so they didn't buy other games either.  They waited for this one.  So, unlike you if a game ending sucks they can't always just say "oh well, I can buy a different game."

But even that is beside the point.  I have a lot of other games and when they are misrepresented or do not work in some way as intended or they have problems, I do complain about them.  I pay good money for these things and I pay my money for them.  I have every right and reason as a consumer to speak up when they fail.  If the ending had been fantastic, we'd still all be here, but we'd be discussing how great it was.  It's because we cared about this series more than most other games we play.

I have at least 2 other games that I really liked that failed on some level big time.  I along with others posted about the issues they had and guess what, the devs fixed them-FIXED THEM.  But there were people like you that said others shouldn't complain and just live with it if they didn't like it.  If I did that, the money would really start to add up. 

I am a consumer and I will voice my opinion.  You really need a new hobby.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mai 2012 - 09:15 .

[3DandBeyond]

Insane_Ivan wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

So I was playing my new game last night and I got to thinking.......How many of you ever pay any other game???I mean lets face it ME3 was a great game but I have loved many games and didnt like the end. ( No I did like this one so dont try) The point I am making is this if you dont think you can can play it any more I feel pity cause you miss out on all the great moments in the game just cause you didn't like how Shepard ends the war.If you ever play Infamous You understand a ending that makes you go WTF? Not that you diodnt understand it but that it came out of nowhere. Now if this is what you guys hate I would understand it.....

There were great moments but the general consensus is that 99% of the game was great but the ending was so full of plot holes and broken promises (promises such as multiple endings which were not true).  I would suggest running a few searches in youtube to watch some good videos made by some talented people to help you understand exactaly why we are upset.  I just hope this expanded dlc does the franchise justice.

Example on what it was like for me.
-It is like going on the greatest rollercoaster ride you have ever been on.  The ups and downs, twists, spins,  stuff shooting at you, and you have the choice to switch over to several different tracks while still in the car.  Just when you are about to take a suicide dive in the car and experience the greatest momentof the ride . . . Then Bam it is over in the flash of three colors and thats it.  You get off the ride and just as your thinking "What the F***".  Starchild comes up to you and kicks you straight in the nuts.

Hold The Line

-Insane_Ivan

He's been here for awhile now even though he said he'd moved on to play other awesome games.  He likes to come back and poke fun at everyone once in awhile-his definition of moving on.  He doesn't care that there are logical reasons for not liking the ending or anything like that.  He likes it-you'd think he'd understand that means he can really move on since he already has his perfect complete game, but noooooo.

What he won't see is that we are saying this ending came out of nowhere just as in his example of Infamous.  This ending doesn't fit the rest of the game or series at all.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mai 2012 - 09:18 .

[Kushan101]

Makrys wrote...

Patrick Weekes has consistently said those words were not his. He has denied he ever said those things. So... I don't really know what to think of the articles that have featured those quotes. Either he's lying (which I doubt), or the articles were somehow fabricated against Bioware. Don't know... but just sayin'. He's said he never spoke those words.

The alternative being that someone wrote that out, making it sound like they had genuine insider knowledge, then proceed to paint an extremely realistic picture about how such a terrible ending could have come from such a skillful writing team, then proceeded to hack his account on the PA forums, post it up, and scuttle away into the shadows of the net while informing the gaming press.

Either that, or he has lied about posting it to save his job

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

So I was playing my new game last night and I got to thinking.......How many of you ever pay any other game???I mean lets face it ME3 was a great game but I have loved many games and didnt like the end. ( No I did like this one so dont try) The point I am making is this if you dont think you can can play it any more I feel pity cause you miss out on all the great moments in the game just cause you didn't like how Shepard ends the war.If you ever play Infamous You understand a ending that makes you go WTF? Not that you diodnt understand it but that it came out of nowhere. Now if this is what you guys hate I would understand it.....

Understand this, a lot of people don't live in your world.  For many people it isn't possible to buy a game every couple of months, so they save for a game they really want.  Other people put a lot of money into buying other things to help round out the series and so they didn't buy other games either.  They waited for this one.  So, unlike you if a game ending sucks they can't always just say "oh well, I can buy a different game."

But even that is beside the point.  I have a lot of other games and when they are misrepresented or do not work in some way as intended or they have problems, I do complain about them.  I pay good money for these things and I pay my money for them.  I have every right and reason as a consumer to speak up when they fail.  If the ending had been fantastic, we'd still all be here, but we'd be discussing how great it was.  It's because we cared about this series more than most other games we play.

I have at least 2 other games that I really liked that failed on some level big time.  I posted about the issues they had and guess what, the devs fixed them-FIXED THEM.  But there were people like you that said others shouldn't complain and just live with it if they didn't like it.  If I did that, the money would really start to add up. 

I am a consumer and I will voice my opinion.  You really need a new hobby.

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Modifié par Thanatos144, 01 mai 2012 - 09:18 .

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

.It isn't broken cause it isn't. The end we have is the only one we are
getting. By the way...The Fallout ending? They didnt do that cause of
popular demand. They did that to sell DLC. ME3 doesnt have to do that.
They can insert it anywhere in the game they want like they did in ME1

[ghost9191]

lol thanny is still on here criticizing ppl for posting on this forum thread by posting on this forum thread.

[Burben23]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

.It isn't broken cause it isn't. The end we have is the only one we are
getting. By the way...The Fallout ending? They didnt do that cause of
popular demand. They did that to sell DLC. ME3 doesnt have to do that.
They can insert it anywhere in the game they want like they did in ME1

Alright guys, I'm pretty sure he's won the argument with that genius response.

BTW the script for the DLC has been released!

http://ferretbrain.c...les/article-853

[Thanatos144]

ghost9191 wrote...

lol thanny is still on here criticizing ppl for posting on this forum thread by posting on this forum thread.

No I am not...Even though your post makes it hard not to. Hey maybe Bioware likes to hear the truth that they did a fantastic job instead of all the whining that they didnt do what was expected.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 01 mai 2012 - 09:47 .

[Thanatos144]

Burben23 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

.It isn't broken cause it isn't. The end we have is the only one we are
getting. By the way...The Fallout ending? They didnt do that cause of
popular demand. They did that to sell DLC. ME3 doesnt have to do that.
They can insert it anywhere in the game they want like they did in ME1

Alright guys, I'm pretty sure he's won the argument with that genius response.

BTW the script for the DLC has been released!

http://ferretbrain.c...les/article-853

Thats kinda funny..

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

The game is not broken in a way that renders it unplayable.

However the end of the game and the trilogy does not hold up to the standards set by BW throughout the rest of the game. To many questions are left unanswered by the games end. The ending, instead of resolving these questions, establishes, for lack of a better term, a Z plot where we were once concerned with resolving the A plot.

By the game, or any stories end plot threads must be resolved. This is a basic rule of story telling. It can be broken on occasion to good and dramatic effect. If you saw the movie Inception think back to all the times the characters used a device to establish if they were dreaming like a dice or a spinning top. The end of the movie then focuses on the top as it spins...... and spins..... and spins...... then a not a wobble but the audio cue that signals a spinning top is losing spin and <fade to black>. That was a masterful use of keeping a plot thread open at the end of the movie........ is the hero still asleep?

Sadly the end of ME3 has none of what made the inception movie ending good. It has no high concept. It's a war game where we have to defeat the reapers. The narrative end of the game should be a clear cut ' you win'! Or because ME has established the possibility in the ME2 suicide mission 'you lose'!

Instead we get alot of waffle from Star 'where did you come from and what's your role in the story' Kid who takes the simple and logically plot destination and ties it in knots. He breaks the narrative and the suspension of disbelief and you cannot stop him. While the game might not be broken the Star Kid shatters the ending by bringing into question the point of the journey to reach him.

If SK had told me you can beat the Reapers by choosing these 3 options then I'd be mildly less grumpy. But SK's claims of being the Reapers creator etc etc demands further explanation. We do not recieve this other than an 'I am so much better than you that my brain and reasons for doing what I do are beyond you comprehension'.

The ending is not an ending because it does not resolve the questions brought about by it's own mythology and it mishandles it to such a gross extent that we are left, not with a few questions I can overlook as the game resolves itself, but a horde of questions as the ending suddenly morphs into a completely unknown beast from where I thought we were going. Plot twists can be good. Think the 6th sense and Unbreakable, but they are rare at the end of movies because they are hard to accomplish.

[Insane_Ivan]

Burben23 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

.It isn't broken cause it isn't. The end we have is the only one we are
getting. By the way...The Fallout ending? They didnt do that cause of
popular demand. They did that to sell DLC. ME3 doesnt have to do that.
They can insert it anywhere in the game they want like they did in ME1

Alright guys, I'm pretty sure he's won the argument with that genius response.

BTW the script for the DLC has been released!

http://ferretbrain.c...les/article-853

I really hope that They dont do a cheap ending update. It would be like getting crapped on after you were kicked in the nuts.

Hold The Line

-Insane_Ivan

Modifié par Insane_Ivan, 01 mai 2012 - 10:10 .

[Redbelle]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Burben23 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

.It isn't broken cause it isn't. The end we have is the only one we are
getting. By the way...The Fallout ending? They didnt do that cause of
popular demand. They did that to sell DLC. ME3 doesnt have to do that.
They can insert it anywhere in the game they want like they did in ME1

Alright guys, I'm pretty sure he's won the argument with that genius response.

BTW the script for the DLC has been released!

http://ferretbrain.c...les/article-853

Thats kinda funny..

An excert from the brain of someone I have come to admire in the space of 4 mins:



EDI (VO): No. The destruction of all organic life would have been
inevitable. My Very Fast AI Calculations have proved it. With Science.

JOKER: But what about you and me?

EDI
(VO): I fear I would inevitably have destroyed you. I mean, you've got
that bone thing and my pelvis was made of Titanium. But my Very Fast AI
calculations reveal it would have been one hell of a way to go.

loooooool:lol:

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[Redbelle]

Post-Credits Scene (Same in all Endings)

An old man and a young boy stand beneath a starry sky that looks suspiciously like one of the default Windows wallpapers.


OLD MAN: I'm Buzz Aldrin. Buy DLC.

ROFL, Parody never lets me down

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 mai 2012 - 09:56 .

[ghost9191]

Thanatos144 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

lol thanny is still on here criticizing ppl for posting on this forum thread by posting on this forum thread.

No I am not...Even though your post makes it hard not to. Hey maybe Bioware likes to hear the truth that they did a fantastic job instead of all the whining that they didnt do what was expected.

hey i just wanted to throw in my two cents

[Redbelle]

Hitting a silly phase here and since it's ME related:

[Thanatos144]

ghost9191 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

lol thanny is still on here criticizing ppl for posting on this forum thread by posting on this forum thread.

No I am not...Even though your post makes it hard not to. Hey maybe Bioware likes to hear the truth that they did a fantastic job instead of all the whining that they didnt do what was expected.

hey i just wanted to throw in my two cents

Noted  :happy:

[BlackFulcrum]

Now I've just finished ME3, although I long before heard of the horrible endings I still wanted to finish it all at my own pace, and thus I am also taking my time to write about how I feel about the ending, and I know that most
of what I say, has already been said by many others.

Lets first get one thing straight, ME3 was awesome, as were ME and ME2, but as many have said,
the last 10 minutes ruined it for me, they did not fit the game, they felt horribly disconnected from it actually.

In all honestly, I have only a little problem with the concept of the Starchild/Catalyst, my main problem is Shepard's reaction to him, which is, well, very un-Shepard like.
She (I play a femshep) barely gets a word in, takes his statement that he is the catalyst without almost any objection, she barely questions him about it, then when he reveals that he is the creator of the reapers, she barely
gets angry, I know she's wounded, but come on, she's not even trying to resist his logic, she says that “we rather keep our form”, and he says no, and that basically the end of that line of conversation.
And then he reveals the three options, and we have NO CHOICE but to take one those three.

Where is my Shepard that tells Reapers and other IA's with a god-complex (the Starchild is the penultimate version of this) to shove it where the sun don't shine.
He created the Reapers, that means he has their kill switch, or just plain access to their code, yet the only way to do that is not only to kill the Reapers, but to kill all synthetics, even the good ones like the Geth whom I
just reconciled with the Quarrians, who Legion gave his life for, and EDI, who is my friend.
Where is my Shepard that fight for self determination for every living being in the galaxy, be they organic or synthetic.
We cannot even argue with his logic, a logic, which by reconciling the Geth and the Quarrians, we already proved as flawed.
Also, nothing is even touched upon that organic species try to commit genocide upon each other left and right, no he's only concerned with the synthetic rising up and destroying their creators, and all organic life.

Also, more stunningly, our little Starbrat gave us this nice little tidbit, and I quote:
Shepard: “What where am I?”
Starchild: “The Citadel, it's my home”
Shepard: “Who are you?”
Starchild: “I am the Catalyst”
Shepard: “I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst?”
Starchild: “No the Citadel is part of me”

Uhm at that point we now know that the Starchild and the Citadel are pretty much reliant upon
each other, if anything, the Citadel is the Starchild's physical body.
Now jump ahead to the point where the Starchild reveals that it's the creator of the Reapers, and reveals the three options.

In my mind there immediately sprung up an other option, something that in my eyes would have occurred to Shepard, blow up the Citadel, destroying their creator/controller might seriously hurt the Reapers
A quick call to Hacket, to direct the firepower of the fleet on the Citadel, or the Crucible(a nice cascade reaction) or heck overload the Crucible, and for a shuttle pickup.
But no, we can only choose option red, blue, and green, I can't even tell him to just stuff it, that I refuse to play his games, no I just do as he says, because that's the only option.

As for the three options
Destroy: Probably the worst, yet also the most logical answer, I cam to stop the Reapers, this stops them dead, but it also kills EDI, and my Geth allies.
Control: I told TIM several times throughout the game that this was stupid and insane, I made him blow his own brains for it, and now I'm supposed to pick this, heck no.
Synthesis: Creating new lifeforms, altering our DNA into a mix of organic and synthetic, sorry but this doesn't even fit with the theme of the rest of the games.

I do not need a super happy ending where everyone lives, and we all share drinks on the beach in Rio looking out over a half sunken Reaper corpse.
I would have been very fine with a super best ending where Shepard still dies, killing the Reapers, or if you fail at bringing enough forces, you fail stop the Reapers (bad ending).
I know not all stories have a happy end for the hero, it's actually quite a common theme in Anime and Manga, yet it's never the bad guy wins, it's the cause the hero fights for wins, only he sacrifices himself for the greater
good, or suffers some personal tragedy.
Just blatantly accepting the reasoning of the Starchild, only picking from those three options, that feels like the bad guys winning, cause in the end you accept one of the three options the Reapers' own creator gives you, it doesn't feel like sacrificing yourself “for the greater good”, you do it, but it doesn't feel like it.

And of course the whole Joker and Normandy issue, lets forget the whole Joker ran issue for a bit.
How come Liara, my femSheps love interest, whom I took on the final mission, who was visually there when Harbinger landed, who according to the squad info was right behind me when I ran to the blue teleport beam, suddenly on the Normandy far far away, Liara, who moved heaven and earth to bring me back from the dead, made a deal with the devil for it even, Liara who sure as hell wouldn't just leave if it wasn't sure if my femShep was either dead or alive.
That's what irks me the most about that scene, it doesn't fit how the character acted all throughout the 3 games, once again.

And I can continue on about the EMS and missing troops, but we're talking about the ending here, and I'm pretty much ranted out about that for now.

Modifié par BlackFulcrum, 01 mai 2012 - 10:12 .

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Im broken and need to troll the forums so I feel better.
The more you talk to me the better I feel.
The end.

[ghost9191]

Insane_Ivan wrote...

Burben23 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

This game isnt broke so they dont need to to fix it. I nevber once saifd you couldnt voice your opinon I was relating something I thought about .....Troll someone else

Mirror-you.

It isn't broken in your opinion.  If you love it so much that's great.  You have what you want.  But, apparently that's not enough.

It doesn't matter to you how many people can point out the fatal flaws with the ending as it is-you like it, great.  But as much as you like it, that's how much many of us don't.  No matter how many times you say it's just perfect, you won't get us to agree with you on that.  So, what is your point and your purpose?

.It isn't broken cause it isn't. The end we have is the only one we are
getting. By the way...The Fallout ending? They didnt do that cause of
popular demand. They did that to sell DLC. ME3 doesnt have to do that.
They can insert it anywhere in the game they want like they did in ME1

Alright guys, I'm pretty sure he's won the argument with that genius response.

BTW the script for the DLC has been released!

http://ferretbrain.c...les/article-853

I really hope that cheap ending doesnt stay that way. It would be like getting crapped on after you were kicked in the nuts.

Hold The Line

-Insane_Ivan

my childhood innocence ( what was left of it) was destroyed the first time around, i don't want my adult innocence to go too.

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

do not edit my posts to say things I didnt say ....Last and only warning before I report you.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 01 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[Redbelle]

@BlackFulcrum

.............Welcome to the club man!!!

To help you through this difficult time I offer this alternative ending.



@voodoo, That was pretty bad netequette, I have to agree with Than on this one. Misquoting accidently is bad but rewriting other people's comments is a definite no no.

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 mai 2012 - 10:13 .

[Voodoo-j]

At this point I really only check to see whats going on... this goon is an obvious troll.
I've had a long day and feeling rather direct.
It's not like various others havn't time and again told him, he's not getting the hint, That if he cant say something constructive about how he feels.. and only destructive about how others feel he should go get lost in his awesome ego.

[ghost9191]

you know, i think harbinger should be destroyed by the destiny ascension when it turns to head down to earth, i mean that ships main gun could rip through the barriers of any ship in the alliance fleet so it's gotta be useful somehow