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[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...
No actually very little in the game is taken for fact that isn't...But
tons from the hater crowd is. Like it is taken as fact that the species around the earth will start killing each other cause they are
stranded.......Like they are all to stupid to realize they would need
each other to make it home....Or that The relays would destroy the
galaxy even though asteroids didn't crash into them.....

The reason people think the relays would destroy everything is not just due to The Arrival, but because of everything written about them.  The massive storage of pent up energy that when released would and should be well, massive.  In order to believe that they would not create large scale destruction, you would theorize they implode instead of explode.  Also, there are scenes of the large shockwaves caused and the Normandy was running from one and got destroyed.  But, yes this is supposition, but it is based upon things within the game and not just made up.

The idea that species will destroy each other is basic nature.  If they would all just get along and realize they need each other then that also puts the lie to some of the star kid's comments. Different beings can get along.

But...the fleets that are stranded have finite resources and they all want to get home.  There are many different cultures with old, festering wounds of hatred for each other.  They got along for a purpose.  Now, they are locked in a desparate position.  They don't have the resources for all of them to make it home, but one strong race could steal what another one has and have a chance to make it home.

There are many instances within the game where things have been done by the stronger races for expediancy.  Krogan uplifted to fight Rachni.  Geth created and improved to work as slaves for Quarians.  Genophage created.  Genophage cured.  Mercenaries enlisted to fight reapers. 

People will panic.  It happens.  It's a very easy jump to make.  Far easier than many the game wants you to make with the ending.

I can point to real corollaries in life today.  We all seemed to get along in the aftermath of some horrible events.  That lasted less than a year.  People are now at each other's throats when we need each other the most, more divided than ever before.  When bad things happened that touched our concerns for our own survival, we came together, put aside differences, crime even went down.  Now, it's common for people to shout each other down over even minor things.  People can get along in adversity, but can fall apart over it as well.

[Benchpress610]

sbricca wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
  The Catalyst tries to steer Shepard to NOT choose Destroy, but then this makes it all even stupider.  Others have said it.  Why would there be a Destroy option if he didn't want you to use it?

I agree...in this case the IT should work very well.....
I tried to understand the logic behind this ABC ending if it's true...i've played ending many times, i offered a coffee to the marauder shield too, but nothing, i cant find this ending satisfying, only with IT it should be acceptable, and only with a ME4 or a big big big DLC

Agreed…I don’t subscribe to IT, but it might make this whole nonsense acceptable. However, it won’t make it satisfying. For that they will need to make EC into a whole expansion pack.

[3DandBeyond]

alleyd wrote...

 I'm confused about the food issue. The reapers targeted large urban centres and were essentially harvesting humans. They weren't using WMD's that could cause say a Nuclear or Chemical fallout. 
There were 11 billion population, pre Reaper. No doubt a lot less now. Earth's food resources may be sufficient enough to feed the reduced population and those fleet members that share our food. 
Install large scale food production as a priority

With re Quarian & Turian. Quarians already possess the tech to feed themselves for 100s of years. Adapt some of the now "(non essential military craft). Select a planet and setup intenseive food production facilities on a large scale

Both the Geth and Salarians have tech that can alter thee atmosphere and weatheer of a planet. Get them on that.

A transportation network "might" not necessarily be a disaster. It take only a few months to build the crucible after all.

There is a theory that the OM4 could have been built after the normal relay network (Different colour etc) Might be prothean and they knew how to use Mass Relay transit (The Conduit was a mass Relay) we seem to have a very important Prothean data site on Mars.

Does anyone agree with these observations

Some of the issues of course stem from those that can't eat the food from Earth.  But one real issue does exist.  All that you say could happen, you are right it could happen, but only if Earth is saved.  Some endings show it vaporized.  But, you could put that as part of a worst case scenario.

Other issues are that the numbers of people on the vessels could potentially be far more than existed on Earth.  Could be-that is speculation.   But, it isn't only about food.  Fuel is an issue and without super fast travel finding the resources to create it would be tough.  You would also need to rebuild facilities to make and store it since in the game the reapers did target fuel facilities.  You could probably do it. 

It's also possible to perhaps if necessary re-build the relays, but that's a big if...as is the idea the OM4 might have survived.  It is possible.  But here's another thing-we don't know how much of the Prothean stuff is really theirs.  We don't know how much of everything has been destroyed.  We just don't know enough about anything to make structurally sound decisions.  I have to make stuff up to support what I say, but I also have to make stuff up to support the endings and anything that comes after.

It can be fun to do and you make some good points.  But, it would take a lot of coordination using resources that may no longer exist and a timeframe that might fray raw nerves.  It could also actually all work out.

Great ideas here.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 05 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[3DandBeyond]

Benchpress610 wrote...

sbricca wrote...

I agree...in this case the IT should work very well.....
I tried to understand the logic behind this ABC ending if it's true...i've played ending many times, i offered a coffee to the marauder shield too, but nothing, i cant find this ending satisfying, only with IT it should be acceptable, and only with a ME4 or a big big big DLC

Agreed…I don’t subscribe to IT, but it might make this whole nonsense acceptable. However, it won’t make it satisfying. For that they will need to make EC into a whole expansion pack.

I agree as well.  IT, which I don't agree with for a variety of reasons, is the only thing that would allow them to keep the star kid and citadel part of the ending.  It's the only thing that can make sense of it.  But it would need a large amount of DLC to explain and fix what it opens up.  I wouldn't mind this, but I'd want Shepard at the core to be kept intact.  This is the biggest deal for me.  It's the one thing that no matter what causes my outrage at the ending.  Shepard wimps out.

As for IT, I would hate to see Shepard succumb wholly to it.  It calls into question decision made all along the way, because indoctrination being a rather slow-building thing would have started a long ways back.  Unless they retcon it all.  They could do that. 

Of course, I also wish we didn't have to keep the kid and IT would probably mean he'd stay.

[sbricca]

 the IT is unexpected for them, they have not planned it before the launch, about that im pretty sure... hudson gave up the holidays because of EC (i read something about that in this forum, Priestly said )

[darkway1]

3DandBeyond wrote...

There actually are visual differences between Harbinger and Sovereign class reapers. Harbinger is also the oldest and largest of the reapers.

But, what does it matter? The reaper at the end could have been Bob.

BOB the reaper............he's here for WAR.

[TheMachdude]

 Check out this survery, it's really in depth and hopefully BW will use it. 

[Acid Mars]

I loved the ending.

Reapers dead!!! Shepard alive!!

What's the problem?

[darkway1]

Acid Mars wrote...

I loved the ending.

Reapers dead!!! Shepard alive!!

What's the problem?

Maybe you should take the time to read what been said in the forum????.......if you can be bothered?

[3DandBeyond]

Acid Mars wrote...

I loved the ending.

Reapers dead!!! Shepard alive!!

What's the problem?

Hmmmm.  A charcoal body laying in rubble that gasps once.  I too keep that image in my head as the only thread of hope to hold onto.  Not only because I would like an ending with unicorns and butterflies and Shep and friends all skipping hand in hand in a meadow, but because another type of sadder ending should be possible.  Both should exist and some say do exist. 

But in this game I saw my characters do just about everything (some things can only be seen playing the Sims), but I don't see the consequences of all they worked for.

And your ending only happens based upon certain things.  And you don't even get to face the reapers at the end and get any satisfaction out of their death and destruction-if you chose this.  Satisfying endings with real bad guys feature the hero rubbing their faces in their own impending doom.  And the Shepard that does make one of these awful choices isn't related to the Shepard I created a face for.  I decided then to create a face for a Shepard that would make any one of the choices and not try to shoot the star kid in the face.  She looks somewhat like a circus clown.

[darkway1]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Acid Mars wrote...

I loved the ending.

Reapers dead!!! Shepard alive!!

What's the problem?

Hmmmm.  A charcoal body laying in rubble that gasps once.  I too keep that image in my head as the only thread of hope to hold onto.  Not only because I would like an ending with unicorns and butterflies and Shep and friends all skipping hand in hand in a meadow, but because another type of sadder ending should be possible.  Both should exist and some say do exist. 

But in this game I saw my characters do just about everything (some things can only be seen playing the Sims), but I don't see the consequences of all they worked for.

And your ending only happens based upon certain things.  And you don't even get to face the reapers at the end and get any satisfaction out of their death and destruction-if you chose this.  Satisfying endings with real bad guys feature the hero rubbing their faces in their own impending doom.  And the Shepard that does make one of these awful choices isn't related to the Shepard I created a face for.  I decided then to create a face for a Shepard that would make any one of the choices and not try to shoot the star kid in the face.  She looks somewhat like a circus clown.

Stop right there sexy lady........don't feed these people who only come here to provoke,there's over 700 pages in this thread detailing issues with the ending......if people want to chat or debate then people should at least bring some thing to the table.

[Thanatos144]

darkway1 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Acid Mars wrote...

I loved the ending.

Reapers dead!!! Shepard alive!!

What's the problem?

Hmmmm.  A charcoal body laying in rubble that gasps once.  I too keep that image in my head as the only thread of hope to hold onto.  Not only because I would like an ending with unicorns and butterflies and Shep and friends all skipping hand in hand in a meadow, but because another type of sadder ending should be possible.  Both should exist and some say do exist. 

But in this game I saw my characters do just about everything (some things can only be seen playing the Sims), but I don't see the consequences of all they worked for.

And your ending only happens based upon certain things.  And you don't even get to face the reapers at the end and get any satisfaction out of their death and destruction-if you chose this.  Satisfying endings with real bad guys feature the hero rubbing their faces in their own impending doom.  And the Shepard that does make one of these awful choices isn't related to the Shepard I created a face for.  I decided then to create a face for a Shepard that would make any one of the choices and not try to shoot the star kid in the face.  She looks somewhat like a circus clown.

Stop right there sexy lady........don't feed these people who only come here to provoke,there's over 700 pages in this thread detailing issues with the ending......if people want to chat or debate then people should at least bring some thing to the table.

LOL shut down all opposing thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Redbelle]

Thanatos144 wrote...

chomicze wrote...

Then why are asking about running into Harbringer's beam?

Cause the truth is people are assuming that it is harbingers beam.....And we all know what happens when you assume.

Check for the yellow eye's, if it has harbies eye's, i.e. the yellow ones then it was Harbinger. No other Reaper has been seen with this look.

*Edit*, just checked youtube and the Reaper has Harbies eyes. As no other Reaper has been seen with eye's I'd say thats Harby.

Modifié par Redbelle, 05 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[chomicze]

@Thanatos
Thoughts require thinking, when it's only shout without any arguments, it's worthless.

Modifié par chomicze, 05 mai 2012 - 06:03 .

[chomicze]

@Redbelle
That's one, he is much bigger than any other reaper, and it's slightly brighter overall. Also has specific plates? armor? on his front.

[darkway1]

chomicze wrote...

@Thanatos
Thoughts require thinking, when it's only shout without any arguments, it's worthless.

Exactly.....there's nothing clever about poking some one with a stick.

[Thanatos144]

Redbelle wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

chomicze wrote...

Then why are asking about running into Harbringer's beam?

Cause the truth is people are assuming that it is harbingers beam.....And we all know what happens when you assume.

Check for the yellow eye's, if it has harbies eye's, i.e. the yellow ones then it was Harbinger. No other Reaper has been seen with this look.

*Edit*, just checked youtube and the Reaper has Harbies eyes. As no other Reaper has been seen with eye's I'd say thats Harby.

They never have shown Harbinger.

[chomicze]

"They never have shown Harbinger"

Then you never played ME1, or Arrival, or didn't see cinematics after ME2, and cinematics in ME3. Sorry, fail.

[Thanatos144]

darkway1 wrote...

chomicze wrote...

@Thanatos
Thoughts require thinking, when it's only shout without any arguments, it's worthless.

Exactly.....there's nothing clever about poking some one with a stick.

Trell me something....Why is it everytime someone doesnt follow the haters ideology and make no mistake thats what it is the haters attack and belittle????????Are you guys taught this in school now a days?

[Thanatos144]

chomicze wrote...

"They never have shown Harbinger"

Then you never played ME1, or Arrival, or didn't see cinematics after ME2, and cinematics in ME3. Sorry, fail.

Really?????/You have proof they shown Harbinger?????They showed Sovereign
but not Harbinger............They show a bunch of reapers at the
end of ME2s arrival.....Did I again miss the name tag?????

Modifié par Thanatos144, 05 mai 2012 - 06:14 .

[Redbelle]

chomicze wrote...

@Redbelle
That's one, he is much bigger than any other reaper, and it's slightly brighter overall. Also has specific plates? armor? on his front.

I'll have to look at the concept design or the final pre-rendered models to decide if thats Harby without using his eye's to mark him out. However I don't have easy access to that material. Harbinger however was shown to make ppl he possessed develop the yellow/orange headlamp eye's and when we see him for the first time at the end of ME2 he is the only one with this feature. Probably to make it apparent that he's the mastermind. No other Reaper has been seen with this eye design............... But if you've seen Reapers in your local neghbourhood with bright, glowing, menacing eye's call in to Reaper Watch and you could win.............:

[Thanatos144]

Redbelle wrote...

chomicze wrote...

@Redbelle
That's one, he is much bigger than any other reaper, and it's slightly brighter overall. Also has specific plates? armor? on his front.

I'll have to look at the concept design or the final pre-rendered models to decide if thats Harby without using his eye's to mark him out. However I don't have easy access to that material. Harbinger however was shown to make ppl he possessed develop the yellow/orange headlamp eye's and when we see him for the first time at the end of ME2 he is the only one with this feature. Probably to make it apparent that he's the mastermind. No other Reaper has been seen with this eye design............... But if you've seen Reapers in your local neghbourhood with bright, glowing, menacing eye's call in to Reaper Watch and you could win.............:

Thats a hell of a thing to go by.........And it is subjective not proof.

[Redbelle]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

chomicze wrote...

@Redbelle
That's one, he is much bigger than any other reaper, and it's slightly brighter overall. Also has specific plates? armor? on his front.

I'll have to look at the concept design or the final pre-rendered models to decide if thats Harby without using his eye's to mark him out. However I don't have easy access to that material. Harbinger however was shown to make ppl he possessed develop the yellow/orange headlamp eye's and when we see him for the first time at the end of ME2 he is the only one with this feature. Probably to make it apparent that he's the mastermind. No other Reaper has been seen with this eye design............... But if you've seen Reapers in your local neghbourhood with bright, glowing, menacing eye's call in to Reaper Watch and you could win.............:

Thats a hell of a thing to go by.........And it is subjective not proof.

True, but at the end of ME2 the collector general was seen to be released from Reaper control and his eye's lost their luminense. After the explosion and the cutscenes we see The Reapers on the march....... flight........ something........ and only one Reaper has this luminous eye feature. While this is not connecting proof that this was the Reaper in charge of the collector general, from a narrative perspective it makes sense that this is the Reaper that has been masterminding the events of the collectors and now he's bringing his buddies in.

[chomicze]

We are not haters. We are self-aware consumers. We got product that doesn't fullfil our expectations and producer's promises. We also got a product, that is extremely well written, enjoyable. We love Mass Effect, that's why we care. We care about story, universe, plot and characters. I said this once, and I can repeat: this is one of the best game series I've ever played, and I played a lot. Beginning on C64.

BUT, ending is nowhere near whole series. It's like from another, low budet, sci-fi film directed by Shyamalan's nephew. I was taught, that discussion requires well adjusted and thought through arguments. When someone is not putting any, that's no discussion. It's shouting, or politics.

Look on this thread. Who comes with arguments? I can clearly accept when someone writes:
"I like the ending. I cared only about Shepard and destroying reapers. Shepard in my ending is alive, and reapers are destroyed, so everything else FOR ME is not important". And it's ok, then I can accept such statement. But shouting "AAA, you're wrong, noone said that (though we have exact quotes...)"is just childish.