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[Thanatos144]

Redbelle wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

chomicze wrote...

@Redbelle
That's one, he is much bigger than any other reaper, and it's slightly brighter overall. Also has specific plates? armor? on his front.

I'll have to look at the concept design or the final pre-rendered models to decide if thats Harby without using his eye's to mark him out. However I don't have easy access to that material. Harbinger however was shown to make ppl he possessed develop the yellow/orange headlamp eye's and when we see him for the first time at the end of ME2 he is the only one with this feature. Probably to make it apparent that he's the mastermind. No other Reaper has been seen with this eye design............... But if you've seen Reapers in your local neghbourhood with bright, glowing, menacing eye's call in to Reaper Watch and you could win.............:

Thats a hell of a thing to go by.........And it is subjective not proof.

True, but at the end of ME2 the collector general was seen to be released from Reaper control and his eye's lost their luminense. After the explosion and the cutscenes we see The Reapers on the march....... flight........ something........ and only one Reaper has this luminous eye feature. While this is not connecting proof that this was the Reaper in charge of the collector general, from a narrative perspective it makes sense that this is the Reaper that has been masterminding the events of the collectors and now he's bringing his buddies in.

Okay Okay Okay.....At least you tried. Which is more than anyone else
did......I don't know if it is Harbinger or not but at least I admit to
not knowing which is more than many here seem capable to do.

[Redbelle]

ME wiki has a picture of Harby, front back, sides etc......... however it is difficult to match features from the in game final ending scene as harby is stadning against a dark backdrop. Can confirm the 6 eye thing though.

http://images.wikia....2/Harbinger.jpg

Harbinger seems to have an additional ventral......... I think that means top, protrusion along his main hull. I've compared this to Sovies hull and Sov lacks the protrusion. Not sure if this is true of other Reapers but all the searching I'm doing still isn't turning up any other Reapers with eyes.

To help ppl make up their on minds here's an extract from MEwiki Reaper's page:

There are several varieties of Reaper, which vary significantly in
size, purpose and firepower. The most well-known subtype are the
two-kilometer long Sovereign-class "Capital Ship" Reapers. Capital Ships
are armed with multiple "magnetohydrodynamic" cannons capable of
shearing through most opposing vessels, and are also capable of
unleashing swarms of Oculi to engage fighter-sized craft.
The Reaper known as Harbinger appears to be of a unique subtype;
Alliance intelligence identifies it as being the largest Reaper in the
armada, and its design differs notably from the Sovereign-class subtype.
In addition, Harbinger's cannons appear to be capable of a much higher
rate of fire than those of any other Reaper.
In addition to Reapers on the scale of Sovereign, there is a subtype of Reaper known as the Destroyer.
Destroyers are only 160 meters in height, considerably smaller than the
two kilometers that Sovereign boasted, but possess a formidable
capacity for destruction despite their reduced stature. The frontal
plates of a Destroyer can fold to the sides, exposing a powerful beam
weapon.
Other subtypes of Reapers include Troop Transports and
Processors, both of which lack sentience and are instead remotely
controlled by other Reapers. Troop Transports vary in length between 200
meters and one kilometer and are used to transport Husks to unconquered worlds and bring victims to Reaper processing centers. Processors are mobile centers for mass DNA harvesting.

When comparing the speed of fire from the Ranoch Reaper to the Reaper who protects the transportation beam the Reaper shows a much more rapid rate of fire. As the wiki states the Harbinger is cabable of higher fire rates I'd say that this information, coupled with the events that ocur in ME2 with the eye's labels the Reaper guarding the transport beam as Harbinger.

Modifié par Redbelle, 05 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[darkway1]

Thanatos144 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

chomicze wrote...

@Thanatos
Thoughts require thinking, when it's only shout without any arguments, it's worthless.

Exactly.....there's nothing clever about poking some one with a stick.

Trell me something....Why is it everytime someone doesnt follow the haters ideology and make no mistake thats what it is the haters attack and belittle????????Are you guys taught this in school now a days?

I have made my point clear Thanatos.....I think that no one can be right or wrong at this point in time......not until the DLC is released, No one in this thread has ever tried to stop anyone saying anything..........in fact the only person who has demonstrated that they can't except some one elses point of view...........isYOU.

[chomicze]

@ Redbelle
Yes, you're right. And every other reaper we see in game has different armor on the front. Here is this last fight, I made a screenshot few minutes ago:
http://imageshack.us.../harbygame.png/

You can compare this to this image you send, and also to picture of Harbinger in codex. Any other reaper doesn't fit...

[Redbelle]

I think I may have found a Reaper that can match Harbies rate of fire....... I don't know though. you'll have to decide for yourselves.

Link:

[3DandBeyond]

Well, same person that asserts that it matters if it is Harbinger or not, and that's been given substantive evidence that it is, stated Liara only searched for Shepard's dead body because Cerberus paid her-never read Redemption, either.  Never apologized for the mistake on that one, either.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 05 mai 2012 - 06:52 .

[darkway1]

Redbelle wrote...

I think I may have found a Reaper that can match Harbies rate of fire....... I don't know though. you'll have to decide for yourselves.

Link:

LOL....it's BOB the reaper..lol.

[chomicze]

@Redbelle

Yup, i'm sure it's him. Godchild resurrects him, while we were not looking nad turns into our last oponnent we cannot fight. It all makes sense now!

[3DandBeyond]

chomicze wrote...

@Redbelle

Yup, i'm sure it's him. Godchild resurrects him, while we were not looking nad turns into our last oponnent we cannot fight. It all makes sense now!

That's because the starkid is omnipotent, except when he isn't.

[chomicze]

@ Redbelle

But he isn't only when he wants to. In spare time he make three choices options of destroying himself for some lost organics that faint in closed Citadel.

[Redbelle]

I just resisted posting a Normandy Nyan Cat tagged as "A better ending". So instead, here's a fan mash up of an ending.

Link:

......................oh I can't resist!

Link:

[3DandBeyond]

Let me just say that you reminded me of a point most of us miss. The name of the ship is the Normandy-what does that evoke? I know what it means to me. It may mean different things to all people. But, I saw the ending as something that would call to mind that other Normandy.

[Redbelle]

Has anyone seen the Anime Robotech...... In this, at some point in story, Earth gets Razed by bombs or somesuch device taht basically ends human civilisation as it is. Cities filled with skyscrapers and millions of ppl just cease to exist. At that point a new civilisation starts to emerge from the destroyed remains of the old civilisation.

The reason I point this out is that essentually, This has happened to the ME galactic civilisation. The homeworlds of all major species have been ripped apart and the means of traveling between stars is essentually gone. No more hopping from one quadrant to another, the citadel....... not needed anymore as a hub of galactic civilisation because even with FTL drive technology, it would take hundreds of years to get from Earth to Thessia.......... I'm not even going to go into the stranded crews of the ships and all. So that's it, galactic civilisation ends.

Now despite saying I'm not getting into the strandard fleet there is one aspect I would like to look at...... life on Earth. Lets say that somehow, all species come down to Earth and manage to live there for..... I dunno......... 400 years...... and suddenly a massive problem presents itself and we are in need of a hero. Can u see where I'm going with this? I'm thinking of character generation whereby we can roll not only humans but Krogan, Salarians, Quarians....etc etc.

I restarted Dragon Age earlier and it got me thinking, how cool would it be if I could change my Elf for a Quarian and snipe all these dark spawn........ replace dark spawn with husks.......etc etc......

I'm not happy with the narrative of how ME3 ended but I can't shake the notion that BW ended the game the way it did for a reason. Ignore the logic gaps and look at what has actually happened. All civilisations have been seperated.The in roads made towards gaining human acceptance in the wider galactic community, potentially will be forgotten....... except by the Asari who live for 1000 yrs possibly.......... The Quarians or Geth now have a planet...... The Krogan will either be struggling to survive or reproducing like rabbits resulting in overpopulation of their devastated world........ The salarians will be...... licking their eyeballs? maybe?

Meanwhile any of the species who survive on Earth could be looked on by their natives species as being outsiders of their race as they have lost the majority of their culture.......

I've just been thinking about what ME4 could be like.

Modifié par Redbelle, 05 mai 2012 - 07:29 .

[3DandBeyond]

I think an ME4 set after all the events involving Shepard and the Reapers would be fantastic-the powers that be have ruled it out, but who knows at this point. There are interesting, compelling story lines that do exist, but like many others I just don't think I could go forward without resolution here and I certainly can't go backwards or sideways which is what they've said it would be.

Like you, I can't shake the feeling they ended ME3 this way for a reason. But they did themselves a disservice by piling on top of it, saying things that suggested they think fans are only upset because ME3 is the end of this story. If they meant for more then why not encourage and not discourage fans? Fans, that word means everything.

Your exploration into what could be, @Redbelle, along with others, like alleyd really show that there's a whole universe of possibilities out there.

[Capthon]

www.masseffect-universe.de/comments--id-974.html

Modifié par Capthon, 05 mai 2012 - 08:10 .

[chomicze]

I think it's highly unlikely to create a ME4 after happenings of the trilogy. It will bring too many choices to game universe. It will be different game for everyone, one without geth, or without most of quarians, what's with Krogan, what about level of universe destruction, So there is either they can implement all these varieties (which I don't believe), or they'll start from one universal point (which is the worst thing they can do in my opinion, and I will never play such game).

[Redbelle]

I guess that was the point of a previous post I put out. The ending of ME3 is less of an ending and more of a reboot. With Shepard gone we need a new player character who has to grow into the role of a player character. This character needs to enter the world of ME knowing nothing and this has to extend to the player in that the player must know about the same as the character they play. By destroying the galaxy it's a massive reset button.

[Holger1405]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Here is speculation I can see as a possibility, but again it is full of holes. But, it's just to show that everyone creates a lot of "maybes".

The creator will always rebel (destroy) the creator. We think the kid, whoever he really is, created the reapers. Perhaps, it is impossible for him to destroy the reapers and he is acting out of fear of them. Maybe, the advent of Sovereign and then Harbinger, is the foretelling of his own doom, but he has no power himself to act against them.

Maybe, he needed the Crucible to create the option to destroy them. And, just maybe he needs you to make it work-you have to do it. It may also be a reason he specifically had them target advanced organics-those who would fight back, in the hopes they would figure it all out and help him avoid his own annihilation. Maybe. He said he needed Shepard to make it work (paraphrasing). And his statements may have only been directed at Shepard to try and explain what was happening to him. Kind of like the Elcor who have to explain their emotions or in Star Trek, the Next Generation-there was that race of people that spoke in stories to explain things.

Yay, finely more questions...

Maybe, but it was never made clear to which extent Shepard has synthetic parts.
So they may or may not be destroyed, in the end it doesn't make a great difference, the "breath" scene clearly shows that Shepard can survive.    

But I agree, it is a little ambiguous, again, waiting for the DLC.

[chomicze]

Ok, but how would you feel when you realize, playing this hipothetical ME4, that something/ or all in this universe is different than you decisions in trilogy? I would feel betrayed and turn off the game. At least that's what I think.

[Redbelle]

Holger1405 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Here is speculation I can see as a possibility, but again it is full of holes. But, it's just to show that everyone creates a lot of "maybes".

The creator will always rebel (destroy) the creator. We think the kid, whoever he really is, created the reapers. Perhaps, it is impossible for him to destroy the reapers and he is acting out of fear of them. Maybe, the advent of Sovereign and then Harbinger, is the foretelling of his own doom, but he has no power himself to act against them.

Maybe, he needed the Crucible to create the option to destroy them. And, just maybe he needs you to make it work-you have to do it. It may also be a reason he specifically had them target advanced organics-those who would fight back, in the hopes they would figure it all out and help him avoid his own annihilation. Maybe. He said he needed Shepard to make it work (paraphrasing). And his statements may have only been directed at Shepard to try and explain what was happening to him. Kind of like the Elcor who have to explain their emotions or in Star Trek, the Next Generation-there was that race of people that spoke in stories to explain things.

Yay, finely more questions...

Maybe, but it was never made clear to which extent Shepard has synthetic parts.
So they may or may not be destroyed, in the end it doesn't make a great difference, the "breath" scene clearly shows that Shepard can survive.    

But I agree, it is a little ambiguous, again, waiting for the DLC.

On the subject of implants, in ME1 I remember getting  involved in a sting that had a company of military grade implants to improve reactions, stamina eyesight etc........ And in ME2 Shepard told Conrad  something along the lines of......."Anyone with a half decent scanner will be able to tell you don't have the hardware to be a soldier". Not a direct quote but it has the essential jist of the dialogue.

I think in the ME universe everyone has an implant in some way, shape or form......... Omni tools for example.

Shep probably has a few more implants than most because of cerberus lazarus project but it is unknown if Shep could live without them since the majoirty of his body was rebuilt as close to as it was before the collectors killed him.

[Redbelle]

chomicze wrote...

Ok, but how would you feel when you realize, playing this hipothetical ME4, that something/ or all in this universe is different than you decisions in trilogy? I would feel betrayed and turn off the game. At least that's what I think.

The following link goes to a chap who talks for 40 mins. Not about the ending or the narrative..... instead he talks about the ending in relation to the EC DLC from the customer's perspective. He also takes a look at how BW are treating their customers in relation to what they feel about the ending and generalises as to how not buying BW games could impact on BW future rise or fall............. and sums up with what all companies should take on board as a healty relationship model between customer and company

Link:

[darkway1]

chomicze wrote...

Ok, but how would you feel when you realize, playing this hipothetical ME4, that something/ or all in this universe is different than you decisions in trilogy? I would feel betrayed and turn off the game. At least that's what I think.

You make a very very good point.....if Mass4 takes place after events of Mass3 then you have to give reference to which ever ending you pick.......red,reapers dead?......but the universe continues,blue,reapers go away......universe continues but green is a tricky one as it changes everything.......can't think of a way around that one with out making two different games so to speak?

No one actually knows how the green option works in practice.....so I guess we'll have to wait for the DLC to answer that one.

Modifié par darkway1, 05 mai 2012 - 09:04 .

[darkway1]

Redbelle wrote...

chomicze wrote...

Ok, but how would you feel when you realize, playing this hipothetical ME4, that something/ or all in this universe is different than you decisions in trilogy? I would feel betrayed and turn off the game. At least that's what I think.

The following link goes to a chap who talks for 40 mins. Not about the ending or the narrative..... instead he talks about the ending in relation to the EC DLC from the customer's perspective. He also takes a look at how BW are treating their customers in relation to what they feel about the ending and generalises as to how not buying BW games could impact on BW future rise or fall............. and sums up with what all companies should take on board as a healty relationship model between customer and company

Link:

Ive seen all the vids made by that GUY and he's soild,he talks a lot of sense.......his views on Bioware games in general are bang on.

Modifié par darkway1, 05 mai 2012 - 09:07 .

[juhi95]

I'm exepect this from extended cut:
:DD

[chomicze]

@juhi95

And you know what? I wouldn't mind if the closure would be this way I loved such endings in old movies !