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[3DandBeyond]

Jusseb wrote...

Here's what i think will happen.

This whole ending discussion of ME3 is huge, probably one of the biggest complaints about a videogam.. correction, an experience and story in recent history.

I believe that the expectations about the Extended Cut are so high, that it only can fail. The expectations are to high because of all the discussion and attention.

There are also so many lose ends that i believe cannot be fixed with a few cinematics.

Actually you are partly right and partly wrong .

This is the biggest show of complaint about a videogame definitely based solely on content within the game.  Other games have had bugs, flaws, and such that have generate a lot of anger and discussion.  I do doubt that any of that can eclipse the amount of disgust that this one ending has generated.

But, expectations for the EC are not overwhelmingly high.  In fact, they are quite low.  Most people are reacting to the comments that have been made by the devs in stating that they wouldn't change the ending, they wish to adhere to their artistic vision (but they can't seem to explain what that is or don't want to even though they indicated they would at some point), and that the EC will clarify what we seem to be too dense to understand.  Expectations are very low and many have already dismissed it as garbage, basing this on my last point, what the devs have said.

Hopes, however are high and this is because, in the absence of any real meaningful dialogue with the devs, we have nothing else to go on.  This story, its 3 games, and countless other satellite items (books, comics, apps) become meaningless with this kind of treatment of an ending.  They intend or intended to release a Mass Effect movie and we got excited at the thought, but that was before.  They talked about an ME4 that maybe explored things taking place at the same time as ME3 or before it and people got excited in speculating that it was going to be about Omega or the Protheans.  Yes, we got excited about that, but that was before. 

All we have left to hold onto and maybe make all of this stuff matter again is some slim hope that they will listen.  So far, all they've stated says they haven't been, but like Shepard, we will keep trying because we can't do anything else and we don't want to give up yet.  If the EC isn't good enough, well that's that.  We tried.  No expectations.  Hope.

[LiarasShield]

daveyeisley wrote...

You know what, Holger... nevermind... I think it is safe to say, your expectations were simply much lower than a large majority of fans who played the whole trilogy. The ending worked for you, and thats your opinion.

I vehemently disagree and have a lot of reasons why I wasnt satisfied.... thats my opinion.

I dont think you will ever be able to offer an explanation for your satisfaction that will make sense to me. Feel free to try, but I really doubt it. We simply went into this with very different expectations.

I was very, very disappointed... and even if there had been a mechanism to call the Catalyst on his BS, it wouldnt have improved things much. There was still no good reason to tack on genocide and murder to the destruction of the reapers. There was no good reason why shepard absolutely must die in every other choice. There was no good reason the ending cinematics left so many questions unanswered, and failed to personalize the resolution based on past player choices.

Im happy for you that these things didn't bother you. I expected a lot more from the storytellers who wove this epic.

I Agree I believe most deadicated fans to the mass effect universe and had great high expectations of the ending of the final game will be the most hurt and that fans who aren't really into the series or people like thanatos who say well their is always another game eh no big deal or people who only played mass effect 3 and not the others in the series can easily ignore such bad terrible things in the ending hardcore deadicated fans like you and me can't lol

[Benchpress610]

@3DandBeyond,
As usual your analysis is right on. For one, by BW’s official statements, I don’t expect much from the EC, maybe a couple of automated dialogs and a few cut scenes. However, due to the colossal s**t storm and backlash generated by the ending, some saner heads in BW might be reconsidering their strategy. That’s what I’m pinning my hopes on. They have too much to lose in this. I had even forgotten about the movie. Who is gonna want to watch that knowing who it will end?

[LiarasShield]

And watch cause thanatos is gonna make somre random comment and pretend hes moved on but he hasn't and probably won't you'll never stop getting people to share their concerns thanatos so stop trying to lol

[Benchpress610]

^^We call it now "bubbles"^^

[LiarasShield]

lol

[FrenchiVIII]

I'd like to know the the following things from the extended cut:
- who is the child and why he is so sure that sintetics will destroy all organic life
- who made the crucible, and who decided to use the citadel/catalyst to improve it, why and most of all how (as the citadel is always the first objective of the reapers, how could the organics design a way to include that in the crucible?)
- why the companions that are fighting on earth teleports magically into the normandy at the end of the game
- what the hell will do the reaper after the choice of syntesis, as they will became purposeless.

and, other things that this ending definitely lacks:
- a more detailed conversation with the child is in order, you can't end a saga like this with a small dialoge with just one possibility of choice during the conversation
- some kind of confrontation with the harbringer, why he didn't speak a single line in the whole game? what he will think/do after Shepard decides the synthesis/control option?
- obviously explaination of what happens to the galaxy after the ending, regarding both your final choice and your other choices (rachni, genophage, geth/quarian).
- explanation of the fate of the companions and LI (will Liara or whoever have a son from Shepard?)

I like the ending as it is, but still it needs to be improved as lot as a lot of things are not explained and/or doesn't make any sense.

[No_MSG]

So, I finally realized what I don't "get" about the endings. Mass Effect isn't supposed to be uplifting. It's not about strength in unity, and strength in differences. It's about an unstoppable juggernaut that can't be stopped, and surrender is the only option.

It's about the Master Race victorious, breaking the lesser races. It's about the triumph of racism and genocide.

Mass Effect isn't like Star Wars, or Star Trek. It's not Dune, or Starcraft. It's best parallel is 1984. You aren't supposed to feel good about it. You're supposed to feel fear.

[LiarasShield]

well I sure can't accept the idea lol

[AngelLopezAgain]

Modifié par AngelLopezAgain, 09 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[LiarasShield]

Angel use the standard form so your regular link will appear in orange

[AngelLopezAgain]

LiarasShield wrote...

Angel use the standard form so your regular link will appear in orange

Sorry Thank you for the advice! 

[Archonsg]

AngelLopezAgain wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Angel use the standard form so your regular link will appear in orange

Sorry Thank you for the advice! 

or use the BB code "["url=www.whateverurl.com] The description of your link here [/url"]"

(remove the " before the [ ] brackets)

[Benchpress610]

Archonsg wrote...

AngelLopezAgain wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Angel use the standard form so your regular link will appear in orange

Sorry Thank you for the advice! 

or use the BB code "["url=www.whateverurl.com] The description of your link here [/url"]"

(remove the " before the [ ] brackets)

It’s not addressed to me but thanks for the tip. I always wondered how to link to a website without having to paste the whole URL.
 
BTW, I like your signature. What’s the rifle, a .50 Cal Barrett?

[Archonsg]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

AngelLopezAgain wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Angel use the standard form so your regular link will appear in orange

Sorry Thank you for the advice! 

or use the BB code "["url=www.whateverurl.com] The description of your link here [/url"]"

(remove the " before the [ ] brackets)

It’s not addressed to me but thanks for the tip. I always wondered how to link to a website without having to paste the whole URL.
 
BTW, I like your signature. What’s the rifle, a .50 Cal Barrett?

Yups.  
Boom!

Modifié par Archonsg, 09 mai 2012 - 06:43 .

[falconfan1]

I'm not going to sift through 793 pages of complaints and happy comments, so sorry if someone has already said this.

I don't know what Bioware has in store for the post-Mass Effect 3 Universe, but the ending really does set it up so perfectly. I mean the next game could be called Mass Effect Origns taking place another 50,000 years after me3. And there would be new species the invention mass effect cores. It would be totally epic! But that's just my opinion.

[daveyeisley]

@holger

I think either you have not done enough reading on this topic, or maybe you are willfully ignoring facts in an effort to gain attention or to instigate disagreement.

I'm not going to recap all the data that scuttled your thinking, but rather, I will direct your attention to the fact you have stated the Catalysts logic is wrong. The catalysts logic is revealed to be the premise for not only the final choice, but the whole Mass Effect universe. Due to the catalysts introduction and dialogue, the entire story is derived from the consequence of his logic.

Neither the player nor Shepard has any power to refute this premise, or to actually fix it. The final choice is a railroad to one of three negative outcomes. There is no actual win condition. That is a bad ending. I hope one day you become able to see that.

The choices are all derived from flawed logic, and offered by the enemy. None of them are true to shepards intent. In a trilogy all about choice, you get railroaded into nonsense at the end. Rubbish.

As for majority versus minority... If you actually think folks who enjoyed the ending are as numerous or more numerous than those who did not, who am I to attempt to relieve you of the illusion?

Have a stellar day

[falconfan1]

daveyeisley wrote...

@holger

I think either you have not done enough reading on this topic, or maybe you are willfully ignoring facts in an effort to gain attention or to instigate disagreement.

I'm not going to recap all the data that scuttled your thinking, but rather, I will direct your attention to the fact you have stated the Catalysts logic is wrong. The catalysts logic is revealed to be the premise for not only the final choice, but the whole Mass Effect universe. Due to the catalysts introduction and dialogue, the entire story is derived from the consequence of his logic.

Neither the player nor Shepard has any power to refute this premise, or to actually fix it. The final choice is a railroad to one of three negative outcomes. There is no actual win condition. That is a bad ending. I hope one day you become able to see that.

The choices are all derived from flawed logic, and offered by the enemy. None of them are true to shepards intent. In a trilogy all about choice, you get railroaded into nonsense at the end. Rubbish.

As for majority versus minority... If you actually think folks who enjoyed the ending are as numerous or more numerous than those who did not, who am I to attempt to relieve you of the illusion?

Have a stellar day

I like what you're saying here. Maybe for the EC BW should just equip Shepard with a Proton Pack! HAHAHA In killing him you kill the Reapers! That would be great! John Shepard....official Ghostbuster!

[Benchpress610]

daveyeisley wrote...

@holger

I think either you have not done enough reading on this topic, or maybe you are willfully ignoring facts in an effort to gain attention or to instigate disagreement.

I'm not going to recap all the data that scuttled your thinking, but rather, I will direct your attention to the fact you have stated the Catalysts logic is wrong. The catalysts logic is revealed to be the premise for not only the final choice, but the whole Mass Effect universe. Due to the catalysts introduction and dialogue, the entire story is derived from the consequence of his logic.

Neither the player nor Shepard has any power to refute this premise, or to actually fix it. The final choice is a railroad to one of three negative outcomes. There is no actual win condition. That is a bad ending. I hope one day you become able to see that.

The choices are all derived from flawed logic, and offered by the enemy. None of them are true to shepards intent. In a trilogy all about choice, you get railroaded into nonsense at the end. Rubbish.

As for majority versus minority... If you actually think folks who enjoyed the ending are as numerous or more numerous than those who did not, who am I to attempt to relieve you of the illusion?

Have a stellar day

Excellent post, this whole fiasco can be summarized in two points.
In the last ten minutes:
1-      Player control is removed from the game making the gamer into a spectator.
2-      The genre of the narrative changed from Science-Fiction into Fantasy
If some people can’t object to that…well there is nothing we can do for them.

[LiarasShield]

daveyeisley wrote...

@holger

I think either you have not done enough reading on this topic, or maybe you are willfully ignoring facts in an effort to gain attention or to instigate disagreement.

I'm not going to recap all the data that scuttled your thinking, but rather, I will direct your attention to the fact you have stated the Catalysts logic is wrong. The catalysts logic is revealed to be the premise for not only the final choice, but the whole Mass Effect universe. Due to the catalysts introduction and dialogue, the entire story is derived from the consequence of his logic.

Neither the player nor Shepard has any power to refute this premise, or to actually fix it. The final choice is a railroad to one of three negative outcomes. There is no actual win condition. That is a bad ending. I hope one day you become able to see that.

The choices are all derived from flawed logic, and offered by the enemy. None of them are true to shepards intent. In a trilogy all about choice, you get railroaded into nonsense at the end. Rubbish.

As for majority versus minority... If you actually think folks who enjoyed the ending are as numerous or more numerous than those who did not, who am I to attempt to relieve you of the illusion?

Have a stellar day

Again you're spot on great props to you ^^

[Thanatos144]

checking in and yep same 5 people ( looks like you picked up one more) saying the same stuff......This is a broken record thread.

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

checking in and yep same 5 people ( looks like you picked up one more) saying the same stuff......This is a broken record thread.

Funny thing... I see 4 people I've not seen before on this very page.

Oh wait they don't exist.. so sorry, imagining things again. 

[Voodoo-j]

If only I could imagine an ending that is the culmination of 3 games :/

[Johnny Exogenesis]

Just finished Mass Effect 3 for the first time and I loved it, I got the synthesis ending. I can't wait for the Extended Cut DLC, 'cause there are some things that I'm wondering about.

[daveyeisley]

/norriskick bubbles

Bang, Zoom!