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[Flubberlub]

Here's a thought: I liked the daze after being hit by the beam. I enjoyed the battle of intelligence between Shepard and the Illusive Man. Anderson's last words hit me, and they hit me hard. The end was coming, and I could feel it.
Couldn't you have blacked out and found the "star child" in there? Couldn't an apparition of done kind unlocked a key that you had in you, but you were not special, everyone had the ability, they needed to have experienced loss like no other. Now you are given a choice, a final choice, one threat means e everything

[ArthurVon]

I think all the people wrote why the ending really sucks, it was one of the worst video games ending I have ever seen in my 10 years of gaming activity.

[Linksys17]

@bioware

These are not the endings you're looking for (crosses fingers)

[Xellith]

Unless this is a dream and ending dlc is otw.. this ending is totally unacceptable.  The ending just doesnt fit. It juts out of place like a beesting on someones face.  Its just "wrong".

Modifié par Xellith, 10 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[3DandBeyond]

LiarasShield wrote...

3dand didn't you say you had a ps3?

Yes I do, 360 too that I got recently and someone who shall remain nameless actually decided to get and give me the 360 versions of all 3 games.  I avoided angry retribution in the face of a gift.

[LiarasShield]

do you have the ps3 version of mass effect 3?

[LiarasShield]

cause if so I wanna add you so maybe we can kick ass on multiplayer ^^

[3DandBeyond]

LiarasShield wrote...

cause if so I wanna add you so maybe we can kick ass on multiplayer ^^

Yes, I have ME3 on PS3, send me a PM with your PSNID-so I can add you.

[GNRfan26]

3DandBeyond, I can understand why you were displeased with the way that I chunked my article. I appreciate the constructive criticism from your part and I am listening. But I want to protect the artistic integrity of my original post and therefore make only a small edit to the end of my post to improve clarity. If it is any consolation, I will allow you to choose the color of said edit.

[Chesus]

They aren't changing their 3 pisspoor options; only going to expand on them ever so slightly. This doesn't make any sense to me. Three horrible choices with ever so slight variations depending on your EMS.

All the hype, all the quotes about how the final product is tailored by the player were flat out lies. Someone even posted a quote about how it wasn't going to be an A, B or C kind of ending that I honestly can't believe is real. How could they say that and then give us EXACTLY that?

Bioware brought us Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, DA:O and a brilliant ME1 , 2 & 99% of 3. Unfortunately they are ultimately responsible for turds like DA:A, DA2, SWTOR (great features but mostly just WoW with lasers), and the last 1% of ME3.

The solution seems so easy to me that I'm utterly amazed that the concept did not occur to them. You say that all the things we did are supposed to matter? That the endings are tailored to how we played the games? Prove it. Give us those options. Keep the ABCs for whomever was satisfied by that, but give the rest of us what we have earned.

I do not mean to come across as an entitled jerk. I honestly believe that a person works for what he gets. But I did work for this. I worked for three games to achieve an ending that should not be predetermined cookiecutter-ish, generic or vague.

If you hadn't made so many promises, built up the hype that your product was something it clearly is not, this would almost be forgivable. Instead, from the few responses I've seen from Bioware reps they appear to be honest-to-goodness shocked by all the outrage? Do you not play through your own games? I don't see how anyone could play through all three games and be satisfied by the conclusion. They don't make drugs strong enough to achieve that.

[LiarasShield]

GNRfan26 wrote...

3DandBeyond, I can understand why you were displeased with the way that I chunked my article. I appreciate the constructive criticism from your part and I am listening. But I want to protect the artistic integrity of my original post and therefore make only a small edit to the end of my post to improve clarity. If it is any consolation, I will allow you to choose the color of said edit.

You know that was a very funny reply lol  choose which color of thee edit

[3DandBeyond]

GNRfan26 wrote...

3DandBeyond, I can understand why you were displeased with the way that I chunked my article. I appreciate the constructive criticism from your part and I am listening. But I want to protect the artistic integrity of my original post and therefore make only a small edit to the end of my post to improve clarity. If it is any consolation, I will allow you to choose the color of said edit.

Hahahaha.  Colors, pretty colors.  All is made well if there are colors.  Why, you could just post any old thing if you let me choose blue, red, or green. 

[LiarasShield]

too bad all the mass effect endings result in is different colors of depression and galaxy screw over red, green or blue I guess red fits since it emotes my seething blood red hatred for these terrible endings lol

Modifié par LiarasShield, 10 mai 2012 - 08:03 .

[LiarasShield]

You know what I find even more funny is now chris priestly is trying to get fans to buy random me merchandise

[LiarasShield]

Goes into my whole if the galaxy is essentially doomed or the rest of the races are why would I want to keep reading books or comics about this series if anything meaningful to it is gone also why would I want random merchandise if the universe is essentially done....

[Paradox711]

Chesus wrote...

They aren't changing their 3 pisspoor options; only going to expand on them ever so slightly. This doesn't make any sense to me. Three horrible choices with ever so slight variations depending on your EMS.

All the hype, all the quotes about how the final product is tailored by the player were flat out lies. Someone even posted a quote about how it wasn't going to be an A, B or C kind of ending that I honestly can't believe is real. How could they say that and then give us EXACTLY that?

Bioware brought us Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, DA:O and a brilliant ME1 , 2 & 99% of 3. Unfortunately they are ultimately responsible for turds like DA:A, DA2, SWTOR (great features but mostly just WoW with lasers), and the last 1% of ME3.

The solution seems so easy to me that I'm utterly amazed that the concept did not occur to them. You say that all the things we did are supposed to matter? That the endings are tailored to how we played the games? Prove it. Give us those options. Keep the ABCs for whomever was satisfied by that, but give the rest of us what we have earned.

I do not mean to come across as an entitled jerk. I honestly believe that a person works for what he gets. But I did work for this. I worked for three games to achieve an ending that should not be predetermined cookiecutter-ish, generic or vague.

If you hadn't made so many promises, built up the hype that your product was something it clearly is not, this would almost be forgivable. Instead, from the few responses I've seen from Bioware reps they appear to be honest-to-goodness shocked by all the outrage? Do you not play through your own games? I don't see how anyone could play through all three games and be satisfied by the conclusion. They don't make drugs strong enough to achieve that.

I agree with a lot of what your saying, not all of it, but most. I also think that abusing the team won't get anyone anywhere but either banned from the forums or worse ****** off the dev team enough they might lose any goodwill to fan community they had in the first place. Make it constructive man.

[cyrslash1974]

I can understand, LiarasShield. Sometimes I would like to put all my ME stuffs in a box and send back this box to Bioware.

[LiarasShield]

yeah I mean if the races are doomed or the me universe as we know it is gone or done what point is their to read more stuff about it or to buy books or shoes about this universe if it is gone

[AmstradHero]

3DandBeyond wrote...
I don't play games to be demoralized or to be given some view of the futility of life itself or to be smacked in the face with what writers and devs imply is my own ignorance. I play them for fun. I play them as my go-to entertainment. I play them to play.

Movies that fail to make a lasting impression because of horridly depressing endings are best exemplified in "Pay It Forward"-kid comes up with awesome plan that gets other people to start thinking about others and try to make some small difference. Could have mattered way more than it does-but it doesn't because I never want to watch that movie again.

Movies that get it right and make you want to see them again and again and yes, they may be cheesy or simplistic or any word you want to come up with that says they are dumbed down in the opinion of some are::
Star Wars: A New Hope
Independence Day
Any Bruce Willis Blockbuster movie
Terminator
Predator
And there are many more that get it right.

These are movies that are about the indomitability of the human spirit. And that was what ME the series was also about until ME3's ending. And these movies became blockbusters because people went to see them repeatedly. Their art was in the way they drew you in and got you involved emotionally. ME had that up until the end.

Why couldn't ME3 have gone with this "formula". I know some people think it's distasteful to have a formulaic ending, but they are there because they work. And they make replay not only possible, but probable.

You're confusing formulaic with "happy", and you're assuming that simply because something doesn't have a happy ending that it is automatically bad.  A happy ending isn't always "right".

The problem with ME3's ending isn't that Shepard dies. It's that the plot and thematic inconsistencies make Shepard's death a pointless suicide rather than a glorious sacrifice. Even the "easter egg" ending where Shepard "survives" still has the same problems of all races being separated, isolated and facing a bleak future that render all of the player's actions moot. It's not just Shepard that is ruined by the ending, it's the entire galaxy, meaning there is no triumph. Even in a tragedy, there is a triumph of some kind. Unfortunately in ME3, any "victory" is undermined by the real ramifications of the ending.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 10 mai 2012 - 09:28 .

[3DandBeyond]

No, AmstradHero, I'm not confusing formulaic with happy.  Happy is one type of formulaic ending, but the one that most often works.  It's the rare movie that can pull off the formulaic sad ending.  They are hard to do and don't often encourage a following such as happy formulaic ones do.  They rarely become blockbuster, repeat screening movies.  Sometimes they do but they do not track well with moviegoers generally.

You've read my posts and you know that I don't think an unhappy ending is automatically bad.  But, in order to be received well it really must be awesome.  It's not easy to do.  And actually you do have to throw the formula out the window in order to create such an awesome ending (I contradict myself), because it's much harder within their own story in order to give the viewer that triumphal feeling.  They do tend to be more individual in their treatment of sacrificial or sad endings.  Each such story or movie has to find those moments of triumph within them and as such can't follow a formula as easily as a happier ending can.

Formulaic=predictable sometimes.

But you also left off my last comment within this post:

"There could have been alternates that were worse than that type, of course. I just wish Bioware would talk about this and have a real conversation with us."

This was my acknowledgement that there could have also been an ending that wasn't happy along with a possible happy one.  I've always said this.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 10 mai 2012 - 09:45 .

[LiarasShield]

3dand will liara have those blue children in your fanfiction?

[3DandBeyond]

LiarasShield wrote...

3dand will liara have those blue children in your fanfiction?

They are there, yes.  Little blueberries.

I have been writing about some ways I think conversations could go with all the teammates after.  And much of it so far is conversation more than story.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 10 mai 2012 - 09:55 .

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

3dand will liara have those blue children in your fanfiction?

They are there, yes.  Little blueberries.

I have been writing about some ways I think conversations could go with all the teammates after.  And much of it so far is conversation more than story.

Blueberries? Aaaaaawwwww, I wanted Blubelle's

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

3dand will liara have those blue children in your fanfiction?

They are there, yes.  Little blueberries.

I have been writing about some ways I think conversations could go with all the teammates after.  And much of it so far is conversation more than story.

Blueberries? Aaaaaawwwww, I wanted Blubelle's

Blubelles, now that's an idea-get writing!

[AM94]

honestly, since my second full play-through of the game, i don't really think i care if the ending is changed, rather that the EC manages to bring closure to the ending already in existence. The game is thoroughly amazing and the ending isn't all that bad its just confusing. I don't think ill ever get over the annoyance of the part of the cut-scene where the Normandy is in full retreat and then crash lands on a random planet and everyone comes out unscathed. I would rather that part is entirely removed but everything else is fine and as long as the EC does what i hope its going to do, i think ME3 could still go down as the best ME of the trilogy and among the best sci-fi rpgs of all time. Hopefully you guys bring great single-player DLCs to the game that will help explain certain things that are abandoned from ME2 such as Omega (hint hint).