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[Sigma2010]

Benchpress610 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
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And actually going back to Terminator-ME3 borrows some early words of Shepard's from what John Connor says-that the Terminator will not stop.  Amazing that they couldn't also borrow more.

That is actually one of my favorite lines all time: "That terminator is out there. It can't be reson with, it can't be bargain with. It absolutely won't stop until you are dead" Why can't the Reapers be like that? They don't need to be explained away.

That statement sums up how the Reapers should be looked at 100%. ME3 should play out like Terminator in that regard. Fight for survival against a relentless enemy (minus MP impacting the game, starkid and space magic). 

The ultimate goal for the crucible should have been to find the componets of the weapon that took down the Reaper in ME2 in addition to gathering war assets. BW seemed to stray really far away from the elements that made ME1 and ME2 so enjoyable. 

[Redbelle]

This link connects to IT and is probably the most comprehensive collection.......... it must be it's labeled as a documentary and goes on for nearly 1hr30mins.

A plus point for this one however is that the voice guy doesn't just assume everything points to IT. some of the arguments he clearly comes down against on while others he leave's as plausible not not conclusive. It's like watching an extended edition of MythBusters.

Plenty of meat in the subject however for pro and anti enders to get their teeth into.

[3DandBeyond]

@alleyd,
That is just priceless, truly priceless.

[No_MSG]

Several disjointed thoughts to add to the mix.

1. One thing that really annoys me is people who say Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. Last I checked, Deus Ex Machina was one of the most conventional ways to defeat an overwhelming force. Star Wars Episode I, Doctor Who, Most things written by Shakespeare, most Greek and Roman plays, etc. I originally included Independence Day in the list, but since their Deus Ex Machina didn't even work, I'll let it stay.

2. I think there needs to be a purple option, that let's you free the Reapers from Space Hitler's control. With freedom, some would die, some would fight, some would turn on each other. That would still be a terrible choice, with a ton more deaths than our happy-go-lucky Deus Ex Machina, but leaves it as an actual fight. Hell, at the end, you could even have Reapers donating their DNA, in hopes of cloning their species, before flying into the sun(set). To activate it, how about Shepard has to trip on a rake and break his/her neck. You get your "sacrifice" that way, too.

3. To those who say Shepard surviving would be a "Disney" ending: Watch Schindler's List. Come back and tell me that was a "Disney" ending. I'll rebut that statement right now by saying: It's not a Disney ending because everything else was so damn tragic. No one was getting a Disney ending in that movie. And that's how I feel about Mass Effect 3. In fact, by dying, Shepard is taking the easy way out, and avoiding all the pain and depression that would surely follow something like attempted galaxy wide genocide.

[Chesus]

Okay, constructive. Disregard my insults of DA2 and SWTOR, they are out of line. The rest of it is relevant to the topic at hand. But constructive or not, it unfortunately doesn't help with the simple fact that they have stated that they won't be making changes to the things we're complaining about.

[fr33lancer969]

okay bioware i've been pretty patient with you guys since you're the type of company who does listen to the community (hence the extended cut) but an extended cut is not what the majority of the people want, personally i don't mind just a bit more closure but think about it if you've been checking up on your number of "fans" like the people who play swtor you'll find that it's been dropping rather dramatically lately, and yes the extended cut may very well turn out to be what saves everything about the ending, but if you don't get it right it's over for most of your community, but seriously would you guys rather take that risk or release an optional dlc that does completely change the ending for those who hate it? cause for real its not about what the damn critics think of games that get you guys your money it's about what the community thinks (in case you didn't notice they're the ones who actually buy the games)

[jigokusabre]

I've heard about a "director's cut" ending to address the weakness of the ending. I think this misses (or does not fully hit) the target. The fundamental issue that I have with the ending is that it makes no sense.

Why is the Normandy escaping a Mass Effect relay explosion with my crew when the crew is fighting reapers planetside and the Normandy is fighting in the massive spacebattle in orbit? There's really no amount of "additional material" that explains away this point.

What's equally strange is that you want to "give people time to experience the game" before releasing a new/extended/reworked ending. The game leading up to the confrontation with Harbinger is not a problem. People can "experience" that while you work on a new ending.

You should not want any more people than necessary to see the current ending. Trust me, I was thoroughly willing to believe that the complaints were from entitled spunk-munching ingrates either too dense to understand something that isn't monologued at them IN VERY CLEAR TERMS or are unhappy that their favorite character X didn't get their happy ending, or that their decision to [minor plot item in previous game] didn't create a separate and distinct ending from their choice to [minor plot item in current game]. I was willing to believe that, then I reached the end...

You don't want to squander that benefit of the doubt any more than you have to. Don't dally.

[Kain82]

Chesus wrote...

They aren't changing their 3 pisspoor options; only going to expand on them ever so slightly. This doesn't make any sense to me. Three horrible choices with ever so slight variations depending on your EMS.

All the hype, all the quotes about how the final product is tailored by the player were flat out lies. Someone even posted a quote about how it wasn't going to be an A, B or C kind of ending that I honestly can't believe is real. How could they say that and then give us EXACTLY that?

Bioware brought us Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, DA:O and a brilliant ME1 , 2 & 99% of 3. Unfortunately they are ultimately responsible for turds like DA:A, DA2, SWTOR (great features but mostly just WoW with lasers), and the last 1% of ME3.

The solution seems so easy to me that I'm utterly amazed that the concept did not occur to them. You say that all the things we did are supposed to matter? That the endings are tailored to how we played the games? Prove it. Give us those options. Keep the ABCs for whomever was satisfied by that, but give the rest of us what we have earned.

I do not mean to come across as an entitled jerk. I honestly believe that a person works for what he gets. But I did work for this. I worked for three games to achieve an ending that should not be predetermined cookiecutter-ish, generic or vague.

If you hadn't made so many promises, built up the hype that your product was something it clearly is not, this would almost be forgivable. Instead, from the few responses I've seen from Bioware reps they appear to be honest-to-goodness shocked by all the outrage? Do you not play through your own games? I don't see how anyone could play through all three games and be satisfied by the conclusion. They don't make drugs strong enough to achieve that.

Agreed. Though haven't played SWTOR so I can't judge, looks like a solid game with what I've seen but the upcoming ME3 Extended DLC will determine if I'll ever try it. Bioware are on thin ice with me, no thanks to the indoctrinated EA I bet.

Modifié par Kain82, 11 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[Voodoo-j]

 I was just poking around and noticed this....

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1 minute ago   Why I liked the ME3 ending (no, really!)Created about 2 hours ago by pirate_wench249160Last post by Zany Jedi
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So now all the I hate people that don't like the ending... now have a place they can go too!


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Modifié par Voodoo-j, 11 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[daveyeisley]

[daveyeisley]

Hackett: My gut says somethig's not right here.
Shepard: What do you suggest?
Hackett:  Get the [Bioware Development team] to come clean.

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Shepard: How'd we get here? [Bioware] are better than this.
Legion: No. Based on empirical evidence, they are not.

Shepard facepalms.

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Jack punches Shepard.
Jack: How many times did I tell you not to trust [all that pre-release hype]?
Shepard: You're not telling me anything I haven't told myself.

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Zaeed: Waste of time, trying to appeal to a [FUGPUSC's] better nature.

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Mordin: Am familliar with [Bioware's] work. Can adjust. Did not come all this way for nothing.

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Anderson: The end of the [development cycle] has a way of reminding you what you forgot to do.

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Illusive Man: But I can!
Shepard: Are you willing to bet [Bioware's] existence on it?

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Mordin: Had to be [a large team]. [A small team] might have gotten it wrong.

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Garrus: That's the thing with getting old. The [PR spinjobs] get just as old.

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Modifié par daveyeisley, 11 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[daveyeisley]

Conrad to Catalyst: I mean, really? What made you think that was a good solution? I mean, even I can tell that's a dumb idea, and Shepard will vouch, I've done some dumb stuff!

[Archonsg]

I still wonder why some people are so against a happy ending, as if it'll take away any value of the sad ending they value so much. Oh wait, it does, doesn't it? Why, because no one would want a dismal ending if they had a choice?

So, here's the rub, if those of you are so set on a sad ending, why not just play towards that ending and let the rest of us who want a happier end for Shepard and crew have ours? It is too bad that Bioware, knowing this, that few if any would want to choose such a sad end for Shepard, forced the issue by removing all choices and ability of the player to effect change in game towards that happy ending.
Choices and ability that the previous installment allowed.

Bioware should be ashamed. Those of you who selfishly cling to the sad ending as the only choice because having any other would undervalue yours should be too.

[ArthurVon]

The topic title is not complete, it should be, we are listening, and we are laughing.

[ArthurVon]

daveyeisley wrote...

ahahah xD

[groaaaa]

NA1 wrote...

You guys have GOT to stop putting smiley faces everywhere.

Thank you I knew i couldnt be the only one this was bugging

[groaaaa]

Archonsg wrote...

I still wonder why some people are so against a happy ending, as if it'll take away any value of the sad ending they value so much. Oh wait, it does, doesn't it? Why, because no one would want a dismal ending if they had a choice?

So, here's the rub, if those of you are so set on a sad ending, why not just play towards that ending and let the rest of us who want a happier end for Shepard and crew have ours? It is too bad that Bioware, knowing this, that few if any would want to choose such a sad end for Shepard, forced the issue by removing all choices and ability of the player to effect change in game towards that happy ending.
Choices and ability that the previous installment allowed.

Bioware should be ashamed. Those of you who selfishly cling to the sad ending as the only choice because having any other would undervalue yours should be too.

I wouldnt go far as to say they are clinging to a sad ending I think its just theyve been led to believe its a "artistic" ending. I personally think this is NOT true and its a sad example of bioware being pushed for time and having its original ending leaked with the script resulting in the issues we are dealing with today. I absolutely despise the people who leaked the script for having a huge hand in the only solid conclusion being a few seconds of shepard breathing under rubble. Indoctrination theory for the new ending.

ALSO 
I forgot to mention something that if writers or people involved in the incoming dlc are actually writing i beg you to take note. The forum entries, reviews and fan made endings are against the one you gave us. They show no starchild, provide indoctrination theories even shepard just dieing to avoid the 3 endings you gave us. Surely you must take note of this?

Modifié par groaaaa, 11 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[3DandBeyond]

daveyeisley wrote...

Hackett: My gut says somethig's not right here.
Shepard: What do you suggest?
Hackett:  Get the [Bioware Development team] to come clean.

.....snip

This is hilarious.  Sad and hilarious.

[Benchpress610]

Archonsg wrote...

I still wonder why some people are so against a happy ending, as if it'll take away any value of the sad ending they value so much. Oh wait, it does, doesn't it? Why, because no one would want a dismal ending if they had a choice?

So, here's the rub, if those of you are so set on a sad ending, why not just play towards that ending and let the rest of us who want a happier end for Shepard and crew have ours? It is too bad that Bioware, knowing this, that few if any would want to choose such a sad end for Shepard, forced the issue by removing all choices and ability of the player to effect change in game towards that happy ending.
Choices and ability that the previous installment allowed.

Bioware should be ashamed. Those of you who selfishly cling to the sad ending as the only choice because having any other would undervalue yours should be too.

Haha, you're so right, they want to be miserable and drag everybody else with them. They want company. If we've had the option of an uplifting and happy ending, I’m sure they’d be very lonely in their misery.  

[3DandBeyond]

groaaaa wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

I still wonder why some people are so against a happy ending, as if it'll take away any value of the sad ending they value so much. Oh wait, it does, doesn't it? Why, because no one would want a dismal ending if they had a choice?

So, here's the rub, if those of you are so set on a sad ending, why not just play towards that ending and let the rest of us who want a happier end for Shepard and crew have ours? It is too bad that Bioware, knowing this, that few if any would want to choose such a sad end for Shepard, forced the issue by removing all choices and ability of the player to effect change in game towards that happy ending.
Choices and ability that the previous installment allowed.

Bioware should be ashamed. Those of you who selfishly cling to the sad ending as the only choice because having any other would undervalue yours should be too.

I wouldnt go far as to say they are clinging to a sad ending I think its just theyve been led to believe its a "artistic" ending. I personally think this is NOT true and its a sad example of bioware being pushed for time and having its original ending leaked with the script resulting in the issues we are dealing with today. I absolutely despise the people who leaked the script for having a huge hand in the only solid conclusion being a few seconds of shepard breathing under rubble. Indoctrination theory for the new ending.

I do think the leaked script had something to do with what got released.

I think what Archonsg is pointing to is fans that think the only valid ending is one where Shepard sacrifices everything and what Bioware has created in the no win sorta win ending. 

The thing is Bioware could have created some clearly delineated sacrificial and everybody survives endings, with some gray areas in between and there would be no disagreement here.

But, I think it's even worse.  It isn't just sad or happy-that could have been done and some say was done (I don't think so).  It was that the ending belonged more in a David Lynch movie than in a story rich Star Wars-esque video game.  Now, many feel that David Lynch movies are artistic (incomprehensible), but if so when you go to one, you know what you are getting.  You don't expect it as an ending for a video game like this. 

And I've made the mistake of watching David Lynch movies.  The best feeling I've had at the end was confusion.  The worst was revulsion and disgust.  Yep, good for video games.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[daveyeisley]

Heck, Conrad even saw that Thermal Clips were a bad idea.

Modifié par daveyeisley, 11 mai 2012 - 12:08 .

[Redbelle]

No_MSG wrote...



2. I think there needs to be a purple option, that let's you free the Reapers from Space Hitler's control. With freedom, some would die, some would fight, some would turn on each other. That would still be a terrible choice, with a ton more deaths than our happy-go-lucky Deus Ex Machina, but leaves it as an actual fight. Hell, at the end, you could even have Reapers donating their DNA, in hopes of cloning their species, before flying into the sun(set). To activate it, how about Shepard has to trip on a rake and break his/her neck. You get your "sacrifice" that way, too.

youtube has a purple ending involving Morinth and Shepard......... he dies but it's purple...... or pink.......I forget which.

If that's not enough there is also a rainbow ending around somewhere.

[Redbelle]

Verner is way better than the SC because......... you can shoot him. In the foot.