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[Tony Redgrave]

Koobarex wrote...

RustyMcBlade wrote...

DonJuan2000 wrote...

Some stupid statistical data, show that end game are not so important. All that just show the opposite, how is very important for core gamers ( who pay you lots and more... ), expecially in a RPG game like Mass Effect.

2nd it show what does mean to have lost one of the Mind of Bioware: Drew Karpyshyn, not so involved in ME3 as last book with huge problems too.

yeah, bring Drew Karpyshyn back!

Drew, it seems you were the blood and bones of this series, as much as Shepard was.

Drew Karpyshyn is the man.

[DeviousCastle]

To echo many, I enjoyed all until the beam charge. If i want to be depressed, I'll watch the news, not the end of an epicly loved game. But I am patient and take you at your word that what is coming will change our attitude.

Key favorites:

Always a fan of Legion, so the Geth/Quarian series was most enjoyable. Loved the ending with Tali.

Most seem to miss the Princess Bride easter egg during the Genophage questline. Mordin's conversation about his first encounter with the female.

Catching Tali and Garrus just made me laugh the first time, since my pass through engineering I asked myself "Where is Tali?" prior to finding them.

From the DLC, seeing Liara's reaction to the Prothean and realizing how she was so wrong.

Many more... but that is what I remember.

[inFam0us]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

inFam0us wrote...

''You are taking away our future. Without future, we have no hope.''

I direct this sentence straight to all the bioware developers out there.

Wasn't that one of shepards' last lines?

Yes I agree:)

Exactly, straight from the ''ending'' of Mass Effect 3.

[pharsti]

I somehow just pictured Shepard stabbing BW in the lungs and yelling at "him".

"This is for the ending you...."

Made me laugh >_>

[ShepardMyFriend]

My favorite line in the game was....
Shepard - "What do you need me to do?" towards the end of the game. That line seemed to sum up all the stress and agony that Shepard had gone through....too bad the ending threw it all in the trash

Modifié par ShepardMyFriend, 15 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[Notho]

The game was great, fantastic, one of the best ever... Then I reached the end.

[UlricKerensky]

Listen, Bioware- it's been one hell of a ride for all us, so I hope you don't mind me getting down to brass tacks on this one. I want to give you constructive criticism and ideas, and I appreciate you opening a dialogue.

Firstly, almost the entire game was pure gold. There are a ton of great moments- and most of them are 'banter' moments on the ship, like Kaidan and Vega playing poker or Tali drunk. Most fans would shell out the money for an extended banter/romance pack without blinking, so there's a revenue stream for you. As an aside to this, many fans want a better picture for the Tali easter egg. I didn't feel too incredibly strongly about it, one way or another. But here's an incredibly easy way to earn some community trust back: make a better render contest, and offer up the next piece of DLC. Make people vote for which of the top three images should be the official face of everybody's favorite quarian. Dead simple. Super effective. Fans get to participate.

As for the ending, I'm sure you've been given both barrels about it enough times, so I'm not going to repeat the whole lack of conclusion/choice/seeing how your choices actually made a difference. Your fans feel so bitter and angry because they feel that best case scenario, you gave them half of an ending.

As a side note, I think the thing that has been riling up everyone so much is the handling of the community. Answering questions instead of sidestepping them really didn't help, and increased the frustration a lot. I understand- you're under siege, and your corporate overlords probably have a gag order out. You guys don't deserve half the crap you've gotten from everyone.

I've been a loyal fan for a decade, Bioware. You guys can un**** yourselves, I know it. Hell, you can even make some fat stacks churning out a ton of DLC for Mass effect. One piece of advice, though- don't make us pay for the ending. We'll shell out the money, but you will have lost consumer trust forever. Gamers will be so furious for having to pay for the other half of the ending that all the good you've done over the years will evaporate. Hell, even now, in your darkest hour, your fans have shelled out almost 50 grand in charity as a form of civil protest. Just remember that.

[ShepnTali]

To put it simply, this was the first game/ franchise I saw myself playing indefinitely. The action and shooting is great, but the characters and their story arcs are what it's all about to me. As it stands, they left me, I didn't leave them. I can remember fondly the many fun, funny, touching, endearing, and heartache moments I had with those characters, but I can't revisit them knowing this is how it ends. This Shepard was my Shepard. Paragon all they way. And if he promised to build a house, or have little blue babies, he would hold to that. I guess in the end, this really wasn't my Shepard.

[Sylvianus]

I loved 99% of the game, lol.

The end with Anderson and Shepard discussing together, it was just wow. Miranda's death touched me. Miranda crying when I chose finally Ashley. It surprised me. I even felt bad. :'(

I loved the whole sequence with earth, really epic. The moment of goodbye to everyone, really cool,.

The last scene with TIM on the reaper is just too epic.

Grunt emerging victorious against the rachni, too good.

When the genophage is destroyed, krogans free. Awesome music

Discussions with Garrus are often funny.

Thessia, and the prothean discovery.

Grissom academy !

Date with Kaidan and ashley LI ( my femshep and my maleshep )

Loved the scene with the death of Thane, where shepard pray .. makes for itself.

Mordin is the end of class too!
When Conrad Verner jumps to protect me, for in fact nothing is hilarious!

Modifié par Sylvianus, 15 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[WilliamDracul88]

At least we know that Tali is Hammasa Kohistani.

[panamakira]

I really liked the game. Period. It was awesome. Some small critics here and there but overall I enjoyed it. I'm glad you guys are at least aware at how upset we are. It's fair to say that we should give more people a chance to play. That is fair.

In any case, it's hard to pinpoint my favorite part in ME3. I have to admit Fem Shep takes the whole damn cake! She just felt more human, more vulnerable, more tense, we FEEL the final battle is inevitable and approaching so my best momentS in the game are the date scenes with friends and LI, just because it was awesome for everybody to just take a 5min break for once. The romance scene with Kaidan, saving the Krogan from the Genocide and the resolution with the Geth and Quarian.

The main missions were just awesome and to know/feel we had a hand in so many significative aspects of the game, well let's just say that when we get to the end and realize that the amazing choices we were part of in the game were completely ignored and insignificant. Let's just say we have a very BIG VALID reason as to why we feel cheated from the endings. We wanted variety, we wanted choices, we wanted our choices to matter more than different light colors.

I'm hoping you can make it happen Bioware. Give us a real ending worth replaying the whole series for. You gave us fantastic games. Give us fantastic endings to match!

ShepardMyFriend wrote...

My favorite line in the game was....
Shepard - "What do you need me to do?" towards the end of the game. That line seemed to sum up all the stress and agony that Shepard had gone through....too bad the ending threw it all in the trash

THIS! I forgot this. Only line in the end scene that totally killed me. It all came down to this for Shep. This is the type of person he/she is. This is what it meant. What happened to the Galaxy needed to reflect that what Shep did, even if he/she dies was worth something.

Modifié par panamakira, 15 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[stargatefan1990]

Darkwingduck wrote...

It's so hard to talk about this game now because my opinion of it changed so quickly. Literally as I powered through the final mission I was thinking how it was game of the year. How I really felt like all of the stories were being tied together so nicely. We watched the Krogans struggle from game one and finally we got to really help them and repair their relationship at least in part with other species. I got to annoy the heck out of a Salarian who wanted me to desperately stop touching his console (I do what want), peace between the quarians and geth (who were allowed to become individuals) it was magical. I got to see a very drunk Tali and Jack care about people other than herself it was a journey and I was filled with such hope.

Then this moment happened as Shepard ran towards the beam and my adrenaline was pumping and then everything seemed to stop. Shepard was hit and my fight or flight instinct kicked in and I thought I had made a mistake. Maybe I zigged instead of zagged and I wanted to exit out of the game and reload to do something else but as I tried to process Shepard got up. It was at that moment that the hope I had began to slip away and it continued rapidly. Everything that followed (aside from shooting the Illusive man I really enjoyed that) was utter mind boggling disappointment. Every second I was on the citadel I wondered where my crew was, they had been right behind me and yet there was no mention of them. One of them being Shepard's love interest so I'd assume she should have been at least a little concerned but whatever she got blown up priorities and all that I could let that go for a second. But the choices were such bull and I mean that as politely as I can.

I have played a lot of videogames and never has a set of choices made me flat out not want to choose. It wasn't that it was a morally difficult question or one that made me sit and question which followed that particular Shepard's moral compass it was that every single one seemed so "who cares". They all went against the grain of what I had come to expect from the Mass Effect franchise and from Shepard. You gave us this Hero who could accomplish the impossible where every time someone said she wouldn't succeed Shepard said watch me and did it anyways. You gave us this character who became a beacon of hope for an entire galaxy who climbed mountains and yet you let them fail at their most important task.

More than all the plot holes(Joker abandoning Shepard, squadmates magically on normandy, how anderson got on the citadel etc etc etc) the fact that the ending erases everything you have accomplished and works for is utterly disappointing and depressing. To single out the accomplishments Shepard amasses in this game alone is staggering and so much is done to simply have it not matter. It really doesn't matter because the damage done by the ending choices makes everything else seem so insignificant in comparison or it erases them completely. You can talk about the journey all you want but with that ending all of that hard work feels like it was for nothing. It feels like I wasted my time putting so much effort into every single decision.

If someone were to tell me before I finished the game that the ending would actually make me depressed I would have laughed at them. But it did and it didn't make me feel sad in the way that Hawke's mom dying in DA2 made me sad or Mordin or Legion dying made me sad. Those character's deaths were tragic in the latter two I'd come to truly love them as characters and I felt Shepard's pain of losing a friend. No this wasn't sadness this was a game making me feel lost because the forty hours that I had just invested, no the hundreds of hours i'd invested over three games felt like it didn't matter. There was this massive build up because of how amazing Mass Effect 3 was and then this utter let down of a hopeless ending when everything we've come to expect from Shepard suggested it wouldn't end that way.

If you want to know why we are upset it is because we expect the best from Bioware when it comes to story telling because a lot of the time you are the best. We trust you because in the past you have done so right by us and listened to us and chatted with us on the forums we feel connected to you. When I think of game developers I put Bioware in another category entirely because you actually talk to your fans and seem to genuinely care. But you didn't make a good ending to the most amazing Mass Effect or sci fi or whatever game. This sounds so dramatic but in that moment it felt like you broke everything I'd come to expect of you and I felt utterly let down and betrayed. This sound so corny but we are so upset because we do love this company, we love the games you make and we trust you so much. We want to be on your side, we want to love this game 100% and see it succeed and be recognized as the masterpiece it should be. It is difficult to admit when you've made a mistake but that ending was a mistake and it needs to be fixed.

This!!!!

[Shepard Wins]

As stated countless times above, it was brilliant until the ending. The ending was just as bad as the rest was good. Which means VERY.

Note that I am a completionist, I have done every sidequest and saved everyone I could in previous games.

Favourite moments:
+ Curing the genophage on Tuchanka, Mordin's death scene (INCREDIBLY sad but beautiful and touching)
+ Thane's death, as above, actually made me burst into tears, hell tears fill my eyes even now as I am writing these words and rememembering it.
+ Miranda saying "Nobody's perfect" on Horizon, it was just so UNBELIVEABLY brilliant
+ Peace between Geth and Quarians. Malakim2009 said it best above: "Felt like I just brought peace to the Middle East."
+ Legion referring to himself as "I", EDI and her questions about the nature of being alive. Pure Asimov and Philip K. Dick stuff. Brilliance.
+ Killing Kai Leng. "That was for Thane, you SOB!"
+ Conrad Verner's reapperance and making those little sidequests back from ME1 matter.
+ The overall attention to detail. It's what made this whole game. All the little self-references all over the place (ocular flashbangs, calibrations, refund guy getting his refund, a krogan mechanic mentioning a combustion manifold, daniels and donnelly talking about FBA couplings etc.)
+ jokes between Joker and Garrus deserve a separate note, they were AMAZING
+ Jack in Grissom Academy. See, this is EXACTLY the kind of closure that should be in an ending of an epic saga. You do something for someone, and later see how that affects him. Jack being just one of many, many examples here.
+The fact that I could go on about all these great things...

...and then came the last 15 minutes. I think it has already been adequately discribed. The endings held no water whatsoever and pretty much ruined the entire series for me. I walked away from the monitor depressed, alienated and confused. It was just. That. Bad. Made me wish I could get some Brain Bleach and erase everything that happens after Harbinger almost hits Shepard and Co. with the laser.

[_Melk_]

Favorite moments...

After 4 play through...

- Thane scenes, specially his fight & final moment... loved it. Great way to say goodbye to a great char.

- Mordin... Both good and renegade turning good decisions before genophage cure were great... loved the seashell comment at the end. Another great moment(s)!

- Loved Wrex, just chatting with him was hilarious... ask him about the krogan females while he's in the Normandy.

- Gotta admit that I found Javik to be a very compelling character. He brought a LOT of depth to the lore of the entire ME story line. Loved it when I brought him to temple or when he visited the citadel.

- Tali -- man do I love her! Great personality that one. The moments when she returns to her homeworld are pretty special.... and when she gets drunk is pretty funny

- Grunt ... he his superior indeed! Touching when he tells Shepard to go on at the end of mission.

- Liara's time capsule. Loved it

- Thresher Maw against the Reaper on Tuchanka. Felt really good the first time... and the other times too come to think of it.

- Stabbing the assassin at one point and saying "This is for Thane you...". Felt great.

- So glad Jeff gets more time... loved that char.

- Meeting EDI in her physical form the very first time... whoa! -- And the final conversation with her was touching (paragon route.. haven't tried the other one yet)

+ some more I'm forgetting at the moment.

Note that I felt more closure with Thane and Mordin than any other characters, which is what makes the ending(s) so hard since you can't really achieve the same level of closure with the other friends you've shared so much with in the last few years. Not because Thane/Mordin died, but because it felt like you had the chance to say your goodbyes properly with them. Didn't really feel it for Jacob, Miranda or any others really.

Perhaps Tali and Wrex felt better since you resolved massive issues they had, and you have scenes with them that leave you with the feeling that whatever happens to you, you know they'll have a future (Wrex reuniting the Clans, perhaps getting a seat on the Council if it survives etc, Tali returning to her home world and building herself a house/home (with a view ) there).

Despite the endings, LOVED the game! Really.. all 3 (although, I HAVE to say I miss the Meko runs that were part of the first Mass Effect...loved exploring in it...)

oh, and Admiral Hacket (Gotta love Lance Henriksen's voicing him)

Modifié par _Melk_, 15 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[majinbuu1307]

HOLD THE LINE! Indoctrination theory is dead, so give us some answers please... (prothean VI detects indoctrination, sensed nothing on shepard)

[Cirrusstrafe]

Chris Priestly wrote...
What was your favorite moment?

Everything that wasn't the end sequence of 3, or my multiplayer profile getting wiped out and reset after investing a chunk of MS points and about 40 hours of play.

No seriously.  I love 1, and 2, and almost all of 3.  I am replaying 1 2 and 3 as renegade fem-shep since I did paragon maleshep for the original.  I own all the books and loved them as well.  Yes, this series is still my favorite.  No other games give me back to back cold shivers and nostalgia chills while playing previous installments.  A few, sure, but every line I have heard again in my current rerun of 1 has given me chills.

Remember to zip up your jumpsuit after using the bathroom?  That's good.

[Stygian1]

ShepnTali wrote...

To put it simply, this was the first game/ franchise I saw myself playing indefinitely. The action and shooting is great, but the characters and their story arcs are what it's all about to me. As it stands, they left me, I didn't leave them. I can remember fondly the many fun, funny, touching, endearing, and heartache moments I had with those characters, but I can't revisit them knowing this is how it ends. This Shepard was my Shepard. Paragon all they way. And if he promised to build a house, or have little blue babies, he would hold to that. I guess in the end, this really wasn't my Shepard.

I can''t agree more with every word u said lol

[Deemz]

I have read a couple of times that Bioware is listening to our complaints about the ending. What I would like to hear is that they understand or care that people are upset with the ending.

[GBGriffin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Chris,

I know that you probably can't keep up with all of these posts. I know I certainly wouldn't be able to in your position. I'd just like to offer my opinion on the matter on the chance you might pass it on to someone else.

As much as I can appreciate wanting fans to experience the game, I feel that BioWare has the opportunity to step forward and derail a lot of this anger before it gets any worse. The fact of the matter is that the response has only gotten more negative over time as the game enters into new markets, and I only see it getting worse if new players finish the game and arrive at the same place as the rest of us. Right now, anger is fueling anger and even the people who finish the game and enjoy it might feel uncomfortable voicing their praise.

In my opinion, BioWare, Casey, Mac, anyone who can be a face for the project needs to step forward and address the growing issue to the fans directly. This is not a demand, but I honestly feel it would be wise to say something now before it's too late. They have a chance to do something about this beyond staying silent and letting the unrest grow and spread outside of the BSN. In fact, the silence almost guarantees this discontent will spread because people will go elsewhere for answers if they can't find them here.

Ultimately, it is their decision on when they choose to speak, if at all. I just feel they are making the wrong one by refusing to issue a direct statement and allowing this mess to continue.

In response to your question, though, I would have to say my favorite moment would be the ending of Mass Effect 2. It is the most rewarding end to a game I have ever played (I'm not speaking for everyone, just myself).

Even though I've played through it so many times, I always love watching the squad fighting alongside one another and seeing the plan come together. For me, Shepard and the squad were one in that game; it was them working together to achieve the impossible. That was what I was expecting for Mass Effect 3, and it's why I'm disappointed with the ending.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 15 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[Lord Jaric]

Thank you for the response, it nice to get some kind of offical response the the issue of the endings. It helps ease some of the tension over the issue.

[Shallyah]

First of all, thank you Bioware for the awesome and epic experience that is Mass Effect. You surpased yourselves and delivered an experience like no other. I cried more times than I can remember during Mass Effect 3. I wish and hope that makes you feel accomplished as the creators of this story, because you inspired in me feelings that do not often flourish.

For that, thank you, thank you, thank you, and a million times thank you.


On the endings... yes. I invested myself emotionally to save Rannoch seeing as Legion, with his own soul and all, sacrificed his own life to give the Geth the gift of being. I managed to find a cure for the genophage, and watched a crazy genious mumbling his song with a smile of accomplishment when he knew his death was seconds away. I lost my head for certain masked lady with the most sexy accent in the story of videogames, and pomised one day she'd live without biosuit, and she'd have a home with a window open towards a sunny horizon of hope. I squeezed every bit, every second, every drop of Shepard's essence to salvage as much as possible from a crumbling universe... to then feel all was for nothing.

I know nobody said this would be a fairytale, nor I want one. But I want to feel a bit less crushed and disappointed about the outcome. I think Shepard, all of our Shepards, deserve it.

Modifié par Shallyah, 15 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[phoenixmanjoe]

There is nothing to discuss.  Every good moment preceding that ****** poor ending was totally negated.  Utter let down Bioware. Fix the ending, period.

[MakeMineMako]

Great game. Until little Dave Bowman Jr. showed up and told me I had no real choice. Then it crashed and burned. Plus, Bioware thinks it's "thought provoking art". And they won't admit they screwed the pooch on this one, and won't take steps to correct the major flaws in their "masterpiece" ending.

To hell with it. I'm done with it. I think I will just log in to lurk from now on, to kill time and keep up with any gaming news.

I also won't let myself get suckered into pre-ordering "collector's editions" of anything in the future. Hell, I liked the Mass Effect franchise so much, I even pre-ordered a copy of the SE from Gamestop for the exclusives, just because I didn't mind shelling out the dough for an excellent franchise. Boy, did I learn the hard way.

Peace out.

Signed: An unhappy consumer and a NOT-repeat customer.

[BalooTheBear]

I'm just shocked at the emptiness I am feeling four days later. I figured it would have passed by now but clearly not.

these games mean so much to everyone here. It's why this matters so much.

[pharsti]

Oh, the whole dialogue that was cut when FemShepard is lying there with Anderson is amazing, no idea who thought it shouldnt be in the final ga.... wait.... yes, i can see who thought that.