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[V-rcingetorix]

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Si-Shen wrote...

You don't like all their smiley faces?
I am happy they are listening and discussing what we have been posting, rather then ignoring us.

They aren't listening, they're just giving us vague statements that don't actually commit them to anything and then trying to change the subject.

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I think they're listening, why go through all the hubbub w/o actually giving something in return? Not economically feasible. Even with the bad ending, the rest of the game was EPIC, soeven if this is not going to be completely what we want, it will be something. That's the best anyone can hope for.

[3DandBeyond]

V-rcingetorix wrote...

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I think they're listening, why go through all the hubbub w/o actually giving something in return? Not economically feasible. Even with the bad ending, the rest of the game was EPIC, soeven if this is not going to be completely what we want, it will be something. That's the best anyone can hope for.

Actually, that's not the best anyone can hope for, it's the best we can expect.  We can hope for the moon, realizing we probably won't get it.

What I truly wish they would see is the depth of the fandom they have created and it isn't because of graphics or perfection or bug-free gaming.  It isn't because of a lot of things.  It is because of a cohesive, coherent story line.  A badder than bad enemy that seems to keep getting badder, but the some ambiguous kid shows up and the game stops being Mass Effect.

Bioware created a fan base that other companies would drool over.  The demographics are all over the place (young, old, male, female, straight and not so straight, different races, different ethnicities, and global).  This should tell them something about how good the game is.  It also should tell them someting about how bad the ending is. 

We are a motley crew, from all different backgrounds, and we may not agree on what the ending should be, but we do mostly agree that at best right now it is flawed.  But even more apparent is that there are vast numbers of us that see it as a gamebreaker.  If you sat us all in a room, I doubt you could get us to agree on very much else, but we basically agree on this one thing.  That is hopefully what they see-the good in what they've done and what they could do again.

[Redbelle]

Having played through ME1 again recently you can see how the characters have evolved. the one that stands up above the others though is Joker. When we first meet him he is defensive and hostile, the further into the trilogy you get he becomes more settled as he feels accepted by those around him.

[darkway1]

I personally would like Bioware to take on board the affect of basically releasing Mass3 before it's finished,we have seen it all before with DA2 and SW old republic but Mass3 has made a significant impact on fans and gamers in general.

[darkway1]

Redbelle wrote...

Having played through ME1 again recently you can see how the characters have evolved. the one that stands up above the others though is Joker. When we first meet him he is defensive and hostile, the further into the trilogy you get he becomes more settled as he feels accepted by those around him.

Mass1 makes sense in so many ways.........scanning planets,landing on them,finding a base and off starts a new mission...clear out the base.

Mass3's version........scan planets......reapers come.....run around with benny Hill music playing in the background,assets gained mean next to nothing..........why even bother including the scan section in Mass3???

[Ralph The Wonder Llama]

darkway1 wrote...

I personally would like Bioware to take on board the affect of basically releasing Mass3 before it's finished,we have seen it all before with DA2 and SW old republic but Mass3 has made a significant impact on fans and gamers in general.

The question of releasing Mass 3 before being finished is a good one.  Along these lines it make you wonder why Bioware created the "End_03_Shepard_Alive_Fem" and "End_03_Shepard_Alive_Male"  videos. The clips show a flyover the rubble then stop on Shepard's N7 dogtags, the rubble shakes like someone is climbing out from underneath the rubble, then ends.

 The clips were never shown in gameplay but they are provided with the game (PC Version in the Movies folder, BINK format).  It looks like Bioware staff came into work one day and were told, "okay everyone wrap it up, we are over budget and late for the relese date, get the game to the market..."  I don't know if this really happend but it makes you wonder.

[darkway1]

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I personally would like Bioware to take on board the affect of basically releasing Mass3 before it's finished,we have seen it all before with DA2 and SW old republic but Mass3 has made a significant impact on fans and gamers in general.

The question of releasing Mass 3 before being finished is a good one.  Along these lines it make you wonder why Bioware created the "End_03_Shepard_Alive_Fem" and "End_03_Shepard_Alive_Male"  videos. The clips show a flyover the rubble then stop on Shepard's N7 dogtags, the rubble shakes like someone is climbing out from underneath the rubble, then ends.

 The clips were never shown in gameplay but they are provided with the game (PC Version in the Movies folder, BINK format).  It looks like Bioware staff came into work one day and were told, "okay everyone wrap it up, we are over budget and late for the relese date, get the game to the market..."  I don't know if this really happend but it makes you wonder.

I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD,THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT LOOKS..........I also think the free DLC is just Bioware finishing what they intented to be on the disc......if they had the time......I don't think they are actually offering anything new.

[Voodoo2015]

Wait, now when the anger has cooled.

Thought a little, read and listened to what fans think.
EA / BW comes out with an extended cut ending, not a new ending.

Space magic will remain, Godchild will remain, we don't get an epic boss battle with Harbinger. The ending will look the same as it does now?

The only EA / BW will do is to fill in the plot holes.

EA / BW this is only an explanation why the ending sucks. EA has been voted the worst company in America, They have done it again, congratulations.

EA, which owns BW is the real culprit, BW has nothing to say about the ending.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 12 mai 2012 - 10:10 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Are they going to fix the Liara ending bug? I'm sick of looking at her mug at the end of the game! Why can't I see my LI Tali?

[darkway1]

As we all know,not a lot of thought went into the ending so I doubt fixing any "LI" issues will be addressed.....I'll never forget looking at my "LI" dead on the floor just before entering the transport beam only to see her later on climbing out of the Normandy.......sloppy and unforgivable.

[Redbelle]

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I personally would like Bioware to take on board the affect of basically releasing Mass3 before it's finished,we have seen it all before with DA2 and SW old republic but Mass3 has made a significant impact on fans and gamers in general.

The question of releasing Mass 3 before being finished is a good one.  Along these lines it make you wonder why Bioware created the "End_03_Shepard_Alive_Fem" and "End_03_Shepard_Alive_Male"  videos. The clips show a flyover the rubble then stop on Shepard's N7 dogtags, the rubble shakes like someone is climbing out from underneath the rubble, then ends.

 The clips were never shown in gameplay but they are provided with the game (PC Version in the Movies folder, BINK format).  It looks like Bioware staff came into work one day and were told, "okay everyone wrap it up, we are over budget and late for the relese date, get the game to the market..."  I don't know if this really happend but it makes you wonder.

I think the reason they did this, and this is assuming that BW make no mistakes and everything they have done is intended, is to sell more DLC. We've seen DLC that expand the number of available misions in ME2, now however, they can keep pumping out more DLC that expands on missions and the ending as the ending no lniger has to feed directly into a sequel.

This makes sense on a a certain lvl as, for example, not seeing Aria T'loak and her mercenary horde at the final battle allows for BW to make DLC that has Shepard retaking Omega with Aria who can then live/die and that decision does not then influence the end.

As discussed above I agree on the matter that developers should not release games before they are ready. Gamers are not Beta Testers. Gamers may fill this role perfectly well as the ending contrevousy has shown in identifying key flaws but by the time a game hits the shelves the major flaws should be ironed out and only minor ones needed to patch. Saved the council recently and the squadmates I brought along are not there when the camera cuts to them, then they appear as if by space magic........ I see this as a minor issue though that can be fixed.

[darkway1]

 Nice little article.

http://www.cinemable...Free-41436.html

[LKx]

Without a solid script which could convence us that the Catalyst is trustworthy, it sounds like it is the tenchnological singularity which he claims to want to prevent. It's synthetic afterall, and it DOES wipe organics every 50.000 years.

The fact that he leaves lesser evolute orgainic civilizations alone could be just to have something else to harvest after 50.000 years, afterall it placed citadel and mass relays to have the lesser civilization evolve in the way it wanted.

You CAN'T foresee what reasoning scheme a TS would have, then it's claim that what it's trying to prevent something that wipes ALL organic life (is it even possible?) could just be its synthetic assumption.

Modifié par LKx, 12 mai 2012 - 12:59 .

[darkway1]

EA seems to be making huge profits via DLC,so Mass3 seems to have been tailored to spawn DLC content.....the ending is as intended,ending DLC as intended......the only real problem (from Bioware/EA's point of view) is that the reaction from gamers has put a spanner in the works.

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

EA seems to be making huge profits via DLC,so Mass3 seems to have been tailored to spawn DLC content.....the ending is as intended,ending DLC as intended......the only real problem (from Bioware/EA's point of view) is that the reaction from gamers has put a spanner in the works.

Well, many of their statements always seemed to indicate that the core ME3 game was not the full ME3 game and that the story would continue with DLC.  I might have been ok with that if they'd just let us all in on the joke.  The fact that they never unequivocally have stated that they meant to continue Shepard's story through ME3 DLC and then almost directly stated that their "ending" was great, just what they wanted is insulting to fans.  I think we had enough hints to be able to figure out that they meant for this not to be the end, but even so as some portal to DLC it sucks.  And it isn't just because it's incomplete, it's because it doesn't fit with anything else in ME.  It would have been far better as I've said before to tell people before release that ME3 would be in 2 parts-and maybe make the first part the race to build the crucible and build assets and so on and the second part the fights to save all.  I would not have minded that at all.

[darkway1]

I did say that gamers have put a spanner in the works..........however this is only the case if people don't buy any more DLC........if people do buy Mass3 DLC in their hordes then there is no problem for EA/Bioware.
People don't understand that Digital download games cost far more to buy online than they do via normal retail......the reason for this is to encourage retail sales........but more and more people are buying the online digital version???????
This has sent a clear message to EA......digital game distribution and DLC profits are growing each and every year.......so it's no wonder games are being tailored to DLC......people just keep buying the stuff.

[darkway1]

40% of people who bought Mass3 also bought Ashes DLC on day one.......

[darkway1]

.......and this is all day one,god knows what's in store for the rest of the franchise.

http://kotaku.com/58...ll-cost-you-870

[3DandBeyond]

I think the problem is what they may have been trying to create (and what I assert a lot of gaming companies are trying to create) is something like a movie theater that gets you in the door, but won't let you leave until you pay more.

DLC isn't a problem when used to provide satellite stories that don't really affect the core game or outcome. As fans we don't mind DLC if it is that alone. But, what slowly has happened and is picking up steam, is the idea that DLC is a part of the ending or helps determine the ending of a game. And this, I object to vehemently. It is part of the same question of having multiplayer determine the ending and then making purchases within multiplayer determine your success there.

This is what is at the core here. I fully believe they intended originally to charge for a clarified ending. I fully believe they intended to charge for the resurgence MP pack. This is based upon what they did with the From Ashes pack-it's well known that Javik's story was originally supposed to be part of the core game-there were many pre-game references to it.

We can see that the focus is shifting on finding ways to nickel and dime fans to death, by charging for bullets (micro-transactions). I do think it's a gamble for them, but one they figure they will win in the long run, because there are people out there that buy things and then will buy everything else no matter what. And there are people out there that think we can't change anything so why bother.

What is forgotten in all this is just how abusive this idea is of fans/players and that it's all about who they can fiscally afford to "leave behind". It's also all about who they are targeting as their main fan base.

Those left behind are those without an internet or with less than great connections (in some countries people with PS3s can't access the PSN store at all, so they can't get DLC including the EC at all) and those that actually care about getting a quality value for money core game. Just consider how short many SP games have become in order to make room for cash cow MP.

It just seems so much like companies are taking fans for granted and if we allow it then that's our mistake.

[Archonsg]

darkway1 wrote...

40% of people who bought Mass3 also bought Ashes DLC on day one.......

That is probably only because the rest bought collectors and N7 editions.

[Holger1405]

LiarasShield wrote...

Again half a second cut to credits didn't mean shepard lives just means he or she could've died on earth and hiting the relays or going ftl whille the relays are destroyed and your loyal crew just abandoning you
and the fleets to rot in space essentially leaving you during the most important battle because if we don't win the reapers will destroy all advanced civilazation anyway joker picking up your squadmates magically some how and then fleeing during the final battle and having all the races stuck near our devastated solar system is not a win where in hells glorious earth do you keep thinking that this is a win in anyway?

First @LiarasShield, I don't try to lecture you, or to upset you in any kind of why, but for me, someone who is not a native English speaker, a little punctuation would make it easier to understand you exactly.

@ The Normandy ending up on that Planet.
I agree. That makes no sense at all. It's a massive plot hole and for me the most illogical part of the ending. Still, I don't understand why are you referring to it as some act of mutiny. I think you and me, as, for this matter, almost any other ME Player, will agree that neither Joker, nor the rest of the crew, would never ever leave Shepard, or the battle, without a very good reason.

This reason not pointed out to us is a great mistake from Bioware. To say it even more clearly, I think it would be best if they not leaving at all, at least in some endings, after the DLC is released.

@ The Shepard breath scene.

LiarasShield wrote...
Again half a second cut to credits didn't mean shepard lives just means he or she could've died on earth

First: This video files of that scene are named "End03_Shepard_Alive_Male" or "End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem" plus there is no other explanation for this scene whatsoever, then Bioware saying Shepard did survive.
Second: And more important, this scene is canon proof that Shepard is alive.

Of course you can think or imagine that Shepard died after that scene, but let's assuming that Bioware did give you the exact ending you are desire, with the exact last scene you are desire, and then this final scene fades out... Now you also can think or imagine that in the very next moment a Taxi drops on Shepard, killing her/him in the process.

Of course you never would do that, because you are satisfied with the outcome, but with all due respect, I think that you only bringing up the possibility that Shepard dies after the breath scene because you're not satisfied with the current ending.
I myself think that the breath scene is a little too shallow, and I hope that Bioware will include more closer for Player who want a Happy ending, nevertheless the breath scene is canon proof that Shepard survives.

@ The fleets stranded in the Sol system.

This would include a lot speculation, so I cut it.
Still, I like to asked again, why are you jumping to the worst possible conclusions?
And please don't say the endings didn't giving you a choice, because they do, it's entirely up to you how you imagine the aftermath.

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm trying to figure out how some where in your mind how that is a victory in any form or like I have been saying are you in denial because until the extended dlc that is pretty much where you are most rational people can not see this as a victory

I am not in denial, not in the slightest. I Think we have different perceptions what a Victory in the Mass Effect universe is.
For me the most important Point of the Mass Effect storyline was always and ever (which means since I Played ME1 :innocent:) to stop the Reapers.

On a said note, simply stopping them, even when you as a Player totally screw up, and get your squad mattes killed, earth destroyed and the galaxy devastated, it not a total defeat because the next generation of Organic life won't have to face the Reapers again.

But this is about victory.
As I said, my Shepard, my Squad, Joker (imho also Edi, but that is up to discussion) and the crew of the Normandy are alive. I destroyed the Reapers and saved Earth plus the rest of the Galaxy. This is imho not only a Victory, it is a Great Victory.

I had to wipe out the Geth, and regret it, I also had to kill three hundred thousand Batarians and I regret that too.
The Game a.k.a Bioware did pointed out, and more than a few time for that matter, that there's no easy victory, regarding the enormous, overwhelming threat that the Reapers are, imho it shouldn't be different.
BTW that didn't means you shouldn't have a Happy Ending, just no easy one.

Modifié par Holger1405, 12 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

.......and this is all day one,god knows what's in store for the rest of the franchise.

http://kotaku.com/58...ll-cost-you-870

Well to be honest that is hyperbole-in order to play the game you don't need the Chimera headset or all those figurines.  And they aren't DLC-they are extra fan-based accessories.  The DLC may well cost somewhere on the order of $100, but so far I think is a bit less than that.  If you add on repeat purchases people could make (but honestly shouldn't) of MP packs for equipment, spectre and so on, then you could start paying a lot more.  This is where they make real money-nickels and dimes or choose your currency.

[Archonsg]

@holger1405

At this point, I am going to wait and see what the EC DLC has to offer. Frankly speaking, my rage has cooled somewhat, but replacing that rage is cool calculation.

You see, while I was angry, and emotional, it would have been easy for Bioware to have just said "Sorry guys, time and budget did not allow us to give you guys a fuller ending, but we ate working on it....btw It'll cost you $19.90 ..." and I'd probably would have bought it.

Now however, that I haven been given time to think, analyze not only where they went wrong but how, from my point of view I am will be less forgiving.
I just hope that our hopes are founded and the EC DLC will wow us. But, I am not expecting it will.

[darkway1]

Archonsg wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

40% of people who bought Mass3 also bought Ashes DLC on day one.......

That is probably only because the rest bought collectors and N7 editions.

Either way you look at it,it means paying more.

DA came with the stone guy......DA2 came with a war hound.....Mass2 came with Zaeed.........Mass3 came with some guns???

[darkway1]

3DandBeyond wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

.......and this is all day one,god knows what's in store for the rest of the franchise.

http://kotaku.com/58...ll-cost-you-870

Well to be honest that is hyperbole-in order to play the game you don't need the Chimera headset or all those figurines.  And they aren't DLC-they are extra fan-based accessories.  The DLC may well cost somewhere on the order of $100, but so far I think is a bit less than that.  If you add on repeat purchases people could make (but honestly shouldn't) of MP packs for equipment, spectre and so on, then you could start paying a lot more.  This is where they make real money-nickels and dimes or choose your currency.

Oh yeah,of course you don't need to buy any of that stuff but it just goes to show the all the promo work that comes with an AAA game these days,,,,,,copies of Mass3 in space,trailer aired on TV with Walking Dead,the Mass Movie.......and yet here we are with a half finished game....go figure.