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[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

That's the difference between my posts and "spin" posts us that I usually have facts and actual science behind me. Fact, Alchera's atmosphere has no oxygen, fact, to ignite an amonia/methane atmosphere would require almost fission temperatures or materials that would react to amonia or methane to give off oxygen. Very unlikely to impossible given that those materials are parts of a combat armor.

No, I do not need to "spin" anything. It just makes bubbles look stupid for saying so.

LOL except it has ice....thus it has atmosphere....Just not one we can breath.........Again you are spinning.

But the methane and ammonia atmosphere means no oxygen atmosphere.  On Earth there are silica rocks but they are not floating freely in the atmosphere.  Just because Alchera may have H2O water does not mean the oxygen is free in the atmosphere.

Your post is what is called spinning.....Making excuses and supposition...Fact is in reality Shepard would be dead....Them magically having a body and the tech to bring a person back from the dead is space magic....it is even more amazing than a AI that tells Shepard the choices let to him/her....

 /facepalm
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Ignorance can be cured, but only if you choose to do so.

Then you should do that.

[Voodoo-j]

Endings suck, we want a brighter one.
91%(66922 votes)

Endings are fine, we just want the Normandy strand on Earth or somewhere near Shepard.
6%(4270 votes)

Fine as it is.
2%(1594 votes)

Ha.. two more within 5 mins - it should be at the top of this thread

[Voodoo-j]

I was wondering if Bubbles had voted? One of those 1594?

[Thanatos144]

...Okay I am suppose to take in game science as not space magic??????You all do know it is a FICTIONAL story right?

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

...Okay I am suppose to take in game science as not space magic??????You all do know it is a FICTIONAL story right?

Most importantly it's entertainment we all purchased, and the ending was so far from what the vast majority had come to expect as a Bioware product there has been a vast response from the consumer.

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

...Okay I am suppose to take in game science as not space magic??????You all do know it is a FICTIONAL story right?

Most importantly it's entertainment we all purchased, and the ending was so far from what the vast majority had come to expect as a Bioware product there has been a vast response from the consumer.

Majority is debatable.....I know it makes all 5 of you feel important to think so but hey delusions are abound in this thread.

[Benchpress610]

Comguard2 wrote...

Just in case anyone from Bioware is still following this thread:

I am still incredibly annoyed by what the ending to Mass Effect 3. If it was your intention to create the worst ending in the history of gaming, nice job.

Fix it. You know what went wrong, don't screw up you second chance - most companies don't even get such an opportunity.

So true!!! Most companies would only dream on having such a loyal customer base. Loyalty accumulated over years of good game design and execution. Most of us are giving BW, based on past history, the benefit of the doubt and are waiting on the EC to decide whether to move on or stick with them. I’d be suicidal to squander this chance.   

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

...Okay I am suppose to take in game science as not space magic??????You all do know it is a FICTIONAL story right?

Most importantly it's entertainment we all purchased, and the ending was so far from what the vast majority had come to expect as a Bioware product there has been a vast response from the consumer.

Majority is debatable.....I know it makes all 5 of you feel important to think so but hey delusions are abound in this thread.

Yes... all 5

Endings suck, we want a brighter one.
91%(66922 votes)

Endings are fine, we just want the Normandy strand on Earth or somewhere near Shepard.
6%(4270 votes)

Fine as it is.
2%(1594 votes)

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

okay all sleepy time for me so have fun complaining.....By the way......Blue people using alien DNA to reproduce is space magic as well......That would be like a dog having a human baby.

You do know that asexual creatures or animals do exist in our world and isn't just only a part of science fiction?

Just saying all you keep using to justify anything science proven or anything that has been mentioned in the codex or the information of a planet that shepard body landed on or floated around with only space magic when fans are using evidence within the game to prove you wrong

And yes their are asexual animals on our planet that can reproduce without another partner or able to copy their own dna so is is quite plausible to think that a race beyond our knowledge or comprehension may have the same characteristics not everything is space magic because you can find examples of them being true or relevent within our own world and your starting to insult people again you gotta be nice Mr bubbles

[LiarasShield]

But as someone mentioned before without oxygen a fire can not start since their was no oxygen on the planet archeea shepards body couldn't be set on fire or begin to disintagrate but their would be a great amount of body damage from the fall onto the planet but as others have mentioned not all is space magic because we have events and facts within our world that would prove that some of the things that are talked about in the series is quite plausible

[Benchpress610]

Bubbles’ arguments remind me of the scene in the movie “Planet of the Apes” where the three monkeys in the tribunal are oblivious to the evidence presented that the man is able to speak, even tough the man is speaking right in front of them, and then cover their ears, eyes and mouth.

[GlennWH]

Meanwhile, with the usual suspect continuing their usual debates, is there any sign (referencing the title of this thread) that Bioware is still listening?

Other than Chris locking threads?

[Holger1405]

Archonsg wrote...

Hold on. Allow me to correct something. I never said there was NO ATMOSPHERE. I said that the Atmosphere of Alchera where Shepard was found and the Normady crashed has NO OXYGEN content and that it had an ammonia methane atmosphere. Hence no oxygen equates to Shepard not being fried to a crisp.

In theory correct, but in order to enter the Atmosphere, Shepards body must have a velocity from well over 20000 Km/h, (12400 mph). In an atmosphere of this dense the Body would be slowed down rapidly, and that leads to enormous heat due to friction.

[AnInfiltrator]

finished it this Tuesday

amazing series of games full of great moments, i almost cannot choose!

i was surprised by the beauty of the TimeCapsule moment with Liara and my femShep at the moment, the music,... i had goosebumps all over (and not only with this scene)


the ending, my rational answer : i can accept it, it took some time (and when you think about it, there are some plot holes) but i can accept it, i sure hope this was also the ending that was meant to be and not an ending that had compromises (pressure or influence not by the creative team)

the ending, my emotional answer : i can't say that i liked it or that it was what i expected, i expected to get a happy end and to see a great scene(s) with my team (and another amazing scene with my romance of choice) that would give me more goosebumps, so i'm quite curious about the extended ending this summer

it has to be said, reading thru some answers i've seen here, that this series really has hit the spot, since i haven't experienced on any other game (series) such heavy reaction on an aspect that is not really related to the gameplay

it's 2 days on now and i cannot get the game out of my head, so i'll be sure to get another playthrough when it's summer

Modifié par AnInfiltrator, 17 mai 2012 - 04:21 .

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

okay all sleepy time for me so have fun complaining.....By the way......Blue people using alien DNA to reproduce is space magic as well......That would be like a dog having a human baby.

You do know that asexual creatures or animals do exist in our world and isn't just only a part of science fiction?

Just saying all you keep using to justify anything science proven or anything that has been mentioned in the codex or the information of a planet that shepard body landed on or floated around with only space magic when fans are using evidence within the game to prove you wrong

And yes their are asexual animals on our planet that can reproduce without another partner or able to copy their own dna so is is quite plausible to think that a race beyond our knowledge or comprehension may have the same characteristics not everything is space magic because you can find examples of them being true or relevent within our own world and your starting to insult people again you gotta be nice Mr bubbles

I am making a point that using fiction n to explain something in a
fictional story is fine......Just cause you dont like the fiction does
not make it a crime against the story.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 17 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

...Okay I am suppose to take in game science as not space magic??????You all do know it is a FICTIONAL story right?

Ok, I now understand why the ending is fine with you.  I couldn't conceive that anyone could actually buy into the circular logic presented but I get it now.

You start off saying that something is Space Magic (which does exist in the game but not to  the extent used in the ending).  But I digress.  You assert something is Space Magic and are just horrified that anyone could accept it.  Someone states that Science Fiction can explain some of the stuff shown, but you assert that it's just Space Magic again, because that's what you do.  Someone proves it is actually based on some scientific fact and facts presented within the game.  But, you assert that no it is Space Magic because again that's what you do.  Then, someone posts references to illustrate the point that the game has extrapolated some science fiction from what is actual scientific fact or work on actual scientific project.  But then you decide that we just don't understand that this is a fictional story.  Ok, your caboose has left the track pulling the engine and all the cars with it.

That in game science you refer to is an actual possibility out there or are you not aware of this.  Gas giant planets exist.  Alternate atmospheres beyond oxygen do exist-mainly why you cannot breathe in them.  You cannot light a match in space.  Ask yourself why and then you may understand why a falling body need not burn up in an atmosphere that does not support combustion.  Friction may exist but it will not ignite.  The best it could achieve is an erosion of the falling body, but not ignition.  If you take a look at one real tragedy that occurred here on Earth, the shuttle Columbia disaster you might note that it broke up and large portions of it were retrieved after falling to Earth.  In your mind, nothing should have been retrieved.  It should have all been burnt up.  It was in low orbit of course, but still.

Yes, it is fictional but you can't in one minute assert that something should not include fictional components and then yell at people for thinking it's ok to have fictional components.  It can have both fiction and fact, and when done correctly it works, when done incorrectly you get a star kid and red, blue, and green colored options.

This isn't a story about the future that will be, it's a story.  But it mostly has to make some sense and then it can take poetic license with things to make the story better or work better, but it can't dive off the deep end into la la land with silly beings and stupidity, which is why the space magic at the end is so much worse than any other used in the games.

[LiarasShield]

but some of the points being made aren't just fiction asexual animals that reproduce by themselves or by copying their dna does exsist and If a planet lacks oxygen and has low gravity or nothing to burn since their is no oxygen why would you think that would work in this series when the planets themselves represent planets so therefore as we know by a planet without oxygen their can't be fire U-u

[LiarasShield]

So again trying to use space magic to justify things when both in the real world and within in the game that some of these things do happen or occur does not really work Mr bubbles

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

...Okay I am suppose to take in game science as not space magic??????You all do know it is a FICTIONAL story right?

Ok, I now understand why the ending is fine with you.  I couldn't conceive that anyone could actually buy into the circular logic presented but I get it now.

You start off saying that something is Space Magic (which does exist in the game but not to  the extent used in the ending).  But I digress.  You assert something is Space Magic and are just horrified that anyone could accept it.  Someone states that Science Fiction can explain some of the stuff shown, but you assert that it's just Space Magic again, because that's what you do.  Someone proves it is actually based on some scientific fact and facts presented within the game.  But, you assert that no it is Space Magic because again that's what you do.  Then, someone posts references to illustrate the point that the game has extrapolated some science fiction from what is actual scientific fact or work on actual scientific project.  But then you decide that we just don't understand that this is a fictional story.  Ok, your caboose has left the track pulling the engine and all the cars with it.

That in game science you refer to is an actual possibility out there or are you not aware of this.  Gas giant planets exist.  Alternate atmospheres beyond oxygen do exist-mainly why you cannot breathe in them.  You cannot light a match in space.  Ask yourself why and then you may understand why a falling body need not burn up in an atmosphere that does not support combustion.  Friction may exist but it will not ignite.  The best it could achieve is an erosion of the falling body, but not ignition.  If you take a look at one real tragedy that occurred here on Earth, the shuttle Columbia disaster you might note that it broke up and large portions of it were retrieved after falling to Earth.  In your mind, nothing should have been retrieved.  It should have all been burnt up.  It was in low orbit of course, but still.

Yes, it is fictional but you can't in one minute assert that something should not include fictional components and then yell at people for thinking it's ok to have fictional components.  It can have both fiction and fact, and when done correctly it works, when done incorrectly you get a star kid and red, blue, and green colored options.

This isn't a story about the future that will be, it's a story.  But it mostly has to make some sense and then it can take poetic license with things to make the story better or work better, but it can't dive off the deep end into la la land with silly beings and stupidity, which is why the space magic at the end is so much worse than any other used in the games.

Did you ever even understand what the reapers did???????Was it that far past you? The whole damn story was abour cycles......Why does it shock you that the reapers are stuck in a groove? You know what...I am not even gonna try....why dont you play the game and learn something other than your own delusions.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

but some of the points being made aren't just fiction asexual animals that reproduce by themselves or by copying their dna does exsist and If a planet lacks oxygen and has low gravity or nothing to burn since their is no oxygen why would you think that would work in this series when the planets themselves represent planets so therefore as we know by a planet without oxygen their can't be fire U-u

Asexual organism do not use other DNA to reproduce.

[3DandBeyond]

Holger1405 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Hold on. Allow me to correct something. I never said there was NO ATMOSPHERE. I said that the Atmosphere of Alchera where Shepard was found and the Normady crashed has NO OXYGEN content and that it had an ammonia methane atmosphere. Hence no oxygen equates to Shepard not being fried to a crisp.

In theory correct, but in order to enter the Atmosphere, Shepards body must have a velocity from well over 20000 Km/h, (12400 mph). In an atmosphere of this dense the Body would be slowed down rapidly, and that leads to enormous heat due to friction.

It may lead to enormous heat but the heat and friction will not burn the body up.  It won't ignite.  At best what it would do is melt, maybe.  But, considering (and someone could better answer this) that the suit is resistant to a lot of energy build up, biotics, explosions, and all, we don't know just how resistant it could be to friction as well.  I will point this out-scientists have been working on frictionless material for years now.  And some of it is used in swimsuits.  Minor point.  But then you only need to look at the crashed Normandy.  It broke up, but it isn't burned, didn't melt.   Except for the fact that the pieces are close together (which I wouldn't expect, but they did this for the sake of the game and faster play), it is much like what happens now when objects orbiting the Earth re-enter.  And we don't know how high in orbit the Normandy was either. 

[Thanatos144]

Lets say Shepard doesn't burn up in the atmosphere.....After hitting the ground at such great velocity her/his insides would be jelly.......that is if by some miracle they wouldn't be sponging her/him off the Ice rocks....

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

but some of the points being made aren't just fiction asexual animals that reproduce by themselves or by copying their dna does exsist and If a planet lacks oxygen and has low gravity or nothing to burn since their is no oxygen why would you think that would work in this series when the planets themselves represent planets so therefore as we know by a planet without oxygen their can't be fire U-u

Asexual organism do not use other DNA to reproduce.

What do you think reproduction is?

I don't want to give you a lesson on it here, but somehow there's this thing called an egg that the body creates that has DNA within it.  It gets DNA from another source (in sexual reproduction) and then becomes an embryo.

Parthenogenesis means the embryo is formed by cells with something called DNA in them, that self-replicate, not needing fertilization.


Ok, you don't care, you don't listen, you don't want to know.  Black is red.  Blue means fruit.  And nothing that anyone says matters.  You are just being obstinate in order to ****** people off.  Go play.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Lets say Shepard doesn't burn up in the atmosphere.....After hitting the ground at such great velocity her/his insides would be jelly.......that is if by some miracle they wouldn't be sponging her/him off the Ice rocks....

Well they were able to restore his or her organs and they had enough of shepards dna from shepards brain since the helmet kept shepards brains together but thanatos you just seem to dismiss everything and use space magic only as reason when their is much more to it then that

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

but some of the points being made aren't just fiction asexual animals that reproduce by themselves or by copying their dna does exsist and If a planet lacks oxygen and has low gravity or nothing to burn since their is no oxygen why would you think that would work in this series when the planets themselves represent planets so therefore as we know by a planet without oxygen their can't be fire U-u

Asexual organism do not use other DNA to reproduce.

What do you think reproduction is?

I don't want to give you a lesson on it here, but somehow there's this thing called an egg that the body creates that has DNA within it.  It gets DNA from another source (in sexual reproduction) and then becomes an embryo.

Parthenogenesis means the embryo is formed by cells with something called DNA in them, that self-replicate, not needing fertilization.


Ok, you don't care, you don't listen, you don't want to know.  Black is red.  Blue means fruit.  And nothing that anyone says matters.  You are just being obstinate in order to ****** people off.  Go play.

What the hell do they teach in schools today?