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[LiarasShield]

how a planet works like gravity oxygen hellium ahh thanatos those are actual elements from real science in the game and if their is no oxygen then their is not enough friction to burn a body so once again real science being employed into a fiction setting

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

nor would we have 817 pages talking about it if it was a heroic sacrifice and didn't leave so many pages open instead of finishing the book

You have 817 pages of a few spoiled people who are pissed that Shepard dies in most of the endings.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

yet shepard gave up to flawed logic and had space child makes the decisions for her instead having her own true individual choice and not being a mindless zombie who gives up instead of living up to the hero she has been in the previous games let alone a giant cliff hanger where all our forces are trapt in our damaged solar system since long range travel has been damaged or harder to accomplish yeah.....If what thanatos really said was true I don't think so many fans would be angry

What choice does she have???????Does she say **** you advance machine at lets the galaxy die? Is she a hero or a coward?

 A coward is someone who surrenders to flawed logic she should told the catalyst to go **** himself and have her forces fight the reapers to the bitter end because that is how they would've wanted to go out not being possiably trapt in our hurt solar system never to go home

A coward is one who accepts the catalyst lies or deceit at face value I mean why would the main villan or enemy who created the reapers to destroy all of life or civilization give you the options to destroy them or get rid of them more then not he is tricking her into dooming her forces and causing her own death while the reapers win or have the last laugh

[LiarasShield]

yet you think that this is ok It doesn't even matter if shepard dies if she goes out like a hero not a suicide victim!!!!

[JediMike2372]

When someone asks whether they should buy the game, I tell them don't bother. Especially if they have not played the previous two. I mean, how could they expect us to accept the endings as they stand? Shepard not putting up an argument with the Starchild over the choices given is just insane. This is the same person who saw that the Geth are worth saving(at least my Shepard) and reuniting with the Quarians and brokering peace with them. Telling EDI to explore her newly found sentience and feelings. The ending does not mesh with the rest of the story. The choices are counter to what I personally have gone through and the ending just renigs on all of it.

[LiarasShield]

And you can't even tell me that the final game didn't at least deserve a shot at a good ending because their was one in mass effect 1 and 2 depending on performance that should;'ve happend here

Their shouldve been the ending where shepard dies and everybody is trapt if you really bad and didn't have enough ems

And then if you did well the relays wouldn't be destroyed and the races would have a chance at going home and starting a new future

Wether shepard lives or dies at this point does not matter but it would be a heroic meaningful sacrifice not a suicide that alot of us can't support

[BlueStorm83]

     Guys, Thanatos is clearly just trolling you all.  I mean, for God's sake, the third codex entry you get in Mass Effect 1 explains how Asari don't actually need to physically mate with anyone to reproduce, but rather they randomize a copy of their own DNA to more closely emulate their partner.  The THIRD CODEX ENTRY EVER.

     He's trolling, plain and simple.  Don't even reply to him.

[LiarasShield]

what we saw was the destruction of the human spirit and complete submission not the never give up or we will find a way or will keep pushing through hero that shepard has always been If the sacrifice was heroic and worth something I bet your ass this thread wouldn't be as pick as it stands now

[Archonsg]

Holger1405 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Hold on. Allow me to correct something. I never said there was NO ATMOSPHERE. I said that the Atmosphere of Alchera where Shepard was found and the Normady crashed has NO OXYGEN content and that it had an ammonia methane atmosphere. Hence no oxygen equates to Shepard not being fried to a crisp.

In theory correct, but in order to enter the Atmosphere, Shepard's body must have a velocity from well over 20000 Km/h, (12400 mph). In an atmosphere of this dense the Body would be slowed down rapidly, and that leads to enormous heat due to friction.

Oh that there is friction is no doubt. Neither is there a doubt that Shepard is a corpse before he hit the ground.What I was pointing out was :

1) Alchera has an atmosphere at about 0.8 the density of earth and an atmosphere made up of methane / ammonia. 20% less resistance perhaps, perhaps less since different gases do have different properties and react differently to heat and resistance. We'll need someone with actual knowhow on how this work to get a "better" picture but I'll use a direct correlative in this case, 0.8 density = 20% less resistance untill we can get a better info yes?

2) Alchera's gravity is also about 20% less than that of Earth's so that might throw our known object falling at for xxx amount of time = xxx amount of meter's traveled. (actual speed will vary) Is 20% less gravitational influence enough to "slow" Shepard's speed on re-entry? I do not know, I am not an astro-physicist but again, until we get better or actual info, we could just use the 20% difference as a direct correlation yes?

3) Surface temperature of Alcheara is -22c, which means that the atmospheric temperature is again in correlation, lower and might again act as yet another buffer in keeping Shepard's body being burned away in re-entry. 

4) Shepard may be dead, but he is still fully armored and aside from what seems like a seals breach, is still fully functional. kinetic shields and material meant to withstand EVA work (space absolute temperatures range quite high)

temperatures and variations in space and thus it its conceivable that the armor has some way to keep temperatures on the inside a constant (or at least as best is its able to) near survivable conditions. 
an excerpt if you will : 

So, (to finally get to the answer!) temperatures vary so much in the absence of air because there is nothing to reflect, absorb, and scatter the entering heat and nothing to hold in the heat on the "night" side. This is why the day/night temperature of the Earth in the northern US during a typical June is 21°C / 11°C (70°F / 52°F), whereas that on the Moon (located at the same distance from the Sun as the Earth but lacking an atmosphere) is 115°C / -180°C (240°F / -290°F).

What all this means is that given all this, are asked to believe that it is possible for a body still encased in armor to re-enter such a planet and not have said body incinerated. 
I thought it to be plausible. 

As I mentioned in that other post above (the one with the picture of the Shepard's Xray-ed skeleton, page 815 ) it's not that they are asking us to remove ALL disbelieve, or that there isn't any suspension at all. 

In this fictional set piece, applying what is termed the "socratic exercise" if given all the above, given the rules of physics, could this happen? That is science fiction. It asks, what if ... within the realms of reality can something happen. 

Lastly, does the above look like I am "spinning" things, considering the use of the socratic exercise in determining whether or not this particular event is plausible?

Modifié par Archonsg, 17 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[Malditor]

Most of us players understand that in the end Shepard was destined to give his/her life to end the Reaper cycle. Just because there are a smaller portion of players that insist that Shepard must live so they can have their "happily ever after" version of an ending doesn't mean the end doesn't make sense. Do I think there should be more loose ends tied up, sure, and I'll be happy with the extended cut when it's released. However, I would have rather gotten more in game content via DLCs to have new things to do on my next play through. I've played games with endings so much worse than you people claim this to be. I've read whole series of books only to have an ending that made me angry enough to want to throw the book across the room *Dark Tower Series by Stephen King for those who may have read it*. That did not make me so angry I thought I had the right to tell the authors or developers that they were wrong and that I deserved an ending that fit what I thought should happen. This type of reaction just shows how incredibly spoiled we are becoming as an overal society. Telling others not to play this game because you personally don't like the ending is a great disservice to the game and anyone thinking of playing the game.

[LiarasShield]

yes but if in the end all is failure or that you end up traping the very forces you sent out to save or bring together why would I allow other people to experience that pain or loss if I could prevent it?

[Archonsg]

Malditor wrote...

Most of us players understand that in the end Shepard was destined to give his/her life to end the Reaper cycle. Just because there are a smaller portion of players that insist that Shepard must live so they can have their "happily ever after" version of an ending doesn't mean the end doesn't make sense. Do I think there should be more loose ends tied up, sure, and I'll be happy with the extended cut when it's released. However, I would have rather gotten more in game content via DLCs to have new things to do on my next play through. I've played games with endings so much worse than you people claim this to be. I've read whole series of books only to have an ending that made me angry enough to want to throw the book across the room *Dark Tower Series by Stephen King for those who may have read it*. That did not make me so angry I thought I had the right to tell the authors or developers that they were wrong and that I deserved an ending that fit what I thought should happen. This type of reaction just shows how incredibly spoiled we are becoming as an overal society. Telling others not to play this game because you personally don't like the ending is a great disservice to the game and anyone thinking of playing the game.

Destined.
Must end in a death.
Can't have a happy ever after.

In a game about choice and consequences.
Do you realise just how that sound?



Books are non inter active. When I read a book I understand that I have NO CHOICE in how the book ends.

A game advertised to be able and (here's the real kicker) HAVE multiple varied endings would allude to :

1) Ending where everything goes to hell. No one is saved.
2) Ending with the Pyrrhic victory, enemy is defeated but actual survival of the galaxy in doubt. (this is what we have) 
3) Ending in victory but with sacrifice. Everyone, the galaxy included is saved at the cost of your character and or companions
4) Ending in complete victory. Everyone, the galaxy included is saved, you retire with your love interest and bask in the adulation of a grateful galactic community.


What we got wasn't "varied and vastly different endings" by any span of anyone's imagination.

Modifié par Archonsg, 17 mai 2012 - 05:40 .

[BlueStorm83]

     There's been a lot of anger toward people who demand that Shepard should have lived through.  While I accept that the whole time through I expected Shepard to die, while I could even live with that happening even if it wasn't the only option, I DO maintain that I don't believe in a no-win scenario.

     There's a Star Trek: TNG episode where Data loses a board game to some ugly fat man from space.  Data then thinks he's broken and tries to resign, until captain Picard tells him, "Data, some times you can do everything right, and still lose."  Now, that's poignant as all hell.  It's also kinda true.  But here's another thing: if you do everything right and still lose, then whoever's on the other side must also have done everything right too, yeah?

     If there's never any way for Shepard to win the war, become an admiral, visit Tali and Liara and their kids (because we're gonna make this as hot as possible) go on a Tuchanka Safari weekend with Wrex and Grunt where they drink 4 gallon Krogan beers and feast on Varren steaks (Where the hell were the Varren on Tuchanka!?) and even resurrect the dead, whatever, I accept that, it's a war.  But there's always the nagging thought in my mind: shouldn't it at least be POSSIBLE to get all that done?

     If I could convince Saren Arterius to shoot himself in the head (seemed like a hella longshot at the time) can't I find SOME way to not get myself killed in the end?  Can't I actually defeat the enemies?

     I don't count the Destroy ending as Shepard beating the reapers.  The Catalyst Starchild Godboy Smokey created the Reapers: in a very real way, he IS the Reapers.  Doing anything he says is letting the Reapers win.  Control and Synthesis allow them to continue to exist.  Destroy might end them physically, but if they had that intended option all along, isn't that just the Reapers' collective will winning out in the end, albeit in a stupidly self-destructive way?

     And I still maintain that Shepard should have had the options to 1) stand and wait, and let the combined might of the greatest fleet ever try to win on their own strength (as Hackett already said they would do) 2) to call Hackett and tell him to blow up the Citadel Control Room, destroying the Little Bastard and his options, or to 3) follow the proud tradition that Saren and The Illusive Man began, one shot to the side of the head, in a final "**** you," to the reaper invasion and their enigmatic nonsensical machine god.

[LiarasShield]

Rationally it is something that I would not allow my self to let continue

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

nor would we have 817 pages talking about it if it was a heroic sacrifice and didn't leave so many pages open instead of finishing the book

You have 817 pages of a few spoiled people who are pissed that Shepard dies in most of the endings.

And that isn't insulting, eh?

God, you can't and won't even read.  You've said you are 40 and because you think that gives you the wisdom of the ages, you insult the education of people that you see and have called childish.  But in your mind (not reality) that doesn't mean immature.  And without so knowing you've insulted a lot of people that are able to communicate better than you and do so more respectfully and that are actually older than you.  Many of whom actually read books and try to understand advanced concepts.

One example of just how you work is your assertion that it was completely sensible for Shepard's teammates to abandon him/her because they did it before and even Liara had to be paid by TIM to recover the body.  When that was proven untrue you never again brought it up and didn't and couldn't even say you were wrong.

Do yourself and us a favor, read a book, heck play these games again so you can speak as if you actually did play them.  I know and will readily admit I don't know all there is to know about them, and appreciate those that know more, but you take the cake.

You call us names constantly, continually come here to laugh at people, yet claim you have better things to do.  I think not.

You said previously that the endings could be explained better, but you didn't need it, that apparently others are ignorant because they do. 

You state time and again that all people want is a happy, Shepard lives ending, when people have out and out stated that that isn't even the biggest thing wrong with it.  And still so what if people wanted a happy ending?  How does any of this hurt you at all?  You have the game and ending you want, why aren't you playing it and revelling in its awesomeness? 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 17 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[LiarasShield]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

     There's been a lot of anger toward people who demand that Shepard should have lived through.  While I accept that the whole time through I expected Shepard to die, while I could even live with that happening even if it wasn't the only option, I DO maintain that I don't believe in a no-win scenario.

     There's a Star Trek: TNG episode where Data loses a board game to some ugly fat man from space.  Data then thinks he's broken and tries to resign, until captain Picard tells him, "Data, some times you can do everything right, and still lose."  Now, that's poignant as all hell.  It's also kinda true.  But here's another thing: if you do everything right and still lose, then whoever's on the other side must also have done everything right too, yeah?

     If there's never any way for Shepard to win the war, become an admiral, visit Tali and Liara and their kids (because we're gonna make this as hot as possible) go on a Tuchanka Safari weekend with Wrex and Grunt where they drink 4 gallon Krogan beers and feast on Varren steaks (Where the hell were the Varren on Tuchanka!?) and even resurrect the dead, whatever, I accept that, it's a war.  But there's always the nagging thought in my mind: shouldn't it at least be POSSIBLE to get all that done?

     If I could convince Saren Arterius to shoot himself in the head (seemed like a hella longshot at the time) can't I find SOME way to not get myself killed in the end?  Can't I actually defeat the enemies?

     I don't count the Destroy ending as Shepard beating the reapers.  The Catalyst Starchild Godboy Smokey created the Reapers: in a very real way, he IS the Reapers.  Doing anything he says is letting the Reapers win.  Control and Synthesis allow them to continue to exist.  Destroy might end them physically, but if they had that intended option all along, isn't that just the Reapers' collective will winning out in the end, albeit in a stupidly self-destructive way?

     And I still maintain that Shepard should have had the options to 1) stand and wait, and let the combined might of the greatest fleet ever try to win on their own strength (as Hackett already said they would do) 2) to call Hackett and tell him to blow up the Citadel Control Room, destroying the Little Bastard and his options, or to 3) follow the proud tradition that Saren and The Illusive Man began, one shot to the side of the head, in a final "**** you," to the reaper invasion and their enigmatic nonsensical machine god.

Yeah it could be used to to justify the broken circular logic the synthetics must destroys us so we won't make other synthetics that will destroys us so it be like we create the reapers again or the reapers get recreated again so we don't get killed by the geth or any other machine created by organic life so that the reapers destroy us so that they won't get a chance to still completely silly and all the fleets are trapt in each ending in our solar system doesn't give us a feeling of wining or a heroic sacrifice

[AnInfiltrator]

Malditor wrote...

Most of us players understand that in the end Shepard was destined to give his/her life to end the Reaper cycle. Just because there are a smaller portion of players that insist that Shepard must live so they can have their "happily ever after" version of an ending doesn't mean the end doesn't make sense. Do I think there should be more loose ends tied up, sure, and I'll be happy with the extended cut when it's released. However, I would have rather gotten more in game content via DLCs to have new things to do on my next play through. I've played games with endings so much worse than you people claim this to be. I've read whole series of books only to have an ending that made me angry enough to want to throw the book across the room *Dark Tower Series by Stephen King for those who may have read it*. That did not make me so angry I thought I had the right to tell the authors or developers that they were wrong and that I deserved an ending that fit what I thought should happen. This type of reaction just shows how incredibly spoiled we are becoming as an overal society. Telling others not to play this game because you personally don't like the ending is a great disservice to the game and anyone thinking of playing the game.

there are some valid points here, to discourage people playing the game because of the ending of the 3rd in a series... everyone i know i convince to give it a try because of the amazing quality on display, i could accept the ending as it is now, also => i try to think how Shepard could survive the options she does have, i mean, the Citadel blows up, she is right in the heart of the Reaper's den so it isn't improbable that (s)he doesn't survive (i also do not have an argument against the Catalyst child, since, to me, it isn't a child but more a familiar image used by the Catalyst to interact with Shepard, or even an image used to lull her in some kind of safety zone)

but i've also heard some other valid points (such as the apparent small-to-no difference between the different endings and the feels-rushed handling of the final scenes) so i will happily wait for the extended ending

[Malditor]

Shepard has been the type to sacrifice him/herself throughout the series, if it means saving another. At the end of this particular series the Catalyst says the way of the cycle will no longer work as it had, therefore a new way is needed. The choice is given to Shepard because he/she has been able to make it further than any other species has before. Seems fitting, not sure why it wouldn't. I agree, there could have been a myriad of other options or ways things could have ended. It would have been nice to see more of a significant change in the 3 endings, however, as said by someone else on these boards, All the technology that allowed travel between systems, the jump gates and the citadel, are Reaper tech. Therefore, in order to really ensure that the Reaper threat is ended all that needed to go. Perhaps if you chose synthesis you no longer need the gates or citadel? Of course if you chose control maybe you aren't strong enough and you get the choice then to destroy everything? These are questions that may be answered by the EC coming out. But having these answers means less to me than having something new to do in the game. However, in order to placate the overly loud minority, all other content is pushed back to give you "closure". I'm sorry, but that is just selfish.

Modifié par Malditor, 17 mai 2012 - 05:56 .

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

yet shepard gave up to flawed logic and had space child makes the decisions for her instead having her own true individual choice and not being a mindless zombie who gives up instead of living up to the hero she has been in the previous games let alone a giant cliff hanger where all our forces are trapt in our damaged solar system since long range travel has been damaged or harder to accomplish yeah.....If what thanatos really said was true I don't think so many fans would be angry

What choice does she have???????Does she say **** you advance machine at lets the galaxy die? Is she a hero or a coward?

When faced with three stupid choices, s/he has no way of knowing there is no other way.  S/he doesn't even suggest there could be or demand that there should be, such as, "you stupid freaking glowing moron.  This is what we've all done to get here.  You've controlled these Cuttlefish clones all along.  Stop them now!"  S/he doesn't even try to be friends with the glow boy and appeal to it rationally.  S/he doesn't do anything.

And the choice is not about being a hero or a coward, it's a resignation, giving up and just doing what s/he is told without any concern for the consequences.  Because Shepard never protests.

And basically it's not sacrifice.  It's suicide, genocide, and fratricide.  There's nothing heroic about it.  It's giving in and ceding control to the guy that has been sending creatures to eat you.  Well, actually they've been sent as part of their needs during their reproductive cycle and that is in the game, which is a big yuck.

[LiarasShield]

yes but the catalyst is the one who controlls or created the reapers he has been having them commit mass genocide every 50 thousand years It is very hard to believe that he'd give you any real option of wining without either A destroying you and traping your forces or B keeping the reapers alive which in two of the endings happen by the way

Control doesn't work because no one has ever been able to control the reapers before Saren tried the illusive man tried but it never worked so again it leaves me to think it is a trap because no one can really control the reapers remember because they're beyond our understanding

Synthesis goes against the entire series as a whole because it destroys individuality or the only way for the galaxy to have peace is for everybody to be the same it goes against what mass effect stand for about bringing completely unique and different races for a purpose

And Javik himself said that they were not able to beat the reapers because they couldn't adapt or evolve because they ended up being all the same and that is why the reapers destroy and harvested the protheans turning them into the collectors we fought in me2

Destroy is the only option that makes somewhat sense but again the main villian wouldn't give you a solution without it benefiting him in the end and in the good destroy ending it looks like shepard is in the rubble probably most likely from harbingers blast and that either it was all a dream or a indoctrination attempt because the destruction of the citadel and then earths amospheric reentry wouldn't work because unlike Acheera we have Oxygen which can cause friction and burns thing up and our planet as a whole is generally warm so it wouldn't really work either

[BlueStorm83]

     The whole "Synthetics will always destroy Organics" thing was absolute and total nonsense there. 

-----The Geth and Quarians might be best friends now.  Proves him wrong.

-----Maybe OTHER synthetics will rise up to destroy Organics!  The Geth would probably have a problem with that, they're the Quarians' BESTEST FRIENDS.  New Synthetics wouldn't beat them, or might even be converted to the Geth way of thinking.

-----If Synthetics DO eventually destroy Organics:  Who gives a crap?  That's nature, the strong survive.  If no Organic life can survive in an all-synthetic Galaxy, it might be SAD, but that would be evolution and progress.  In fact, since a universe actually has an expiration date (determined by the universal expansion and the mass of the universe) theoretically, self sustaining synthetic life would be the only possible survivor of that.

-----If the problem is Synthetics destroying Organics, why in the world did you make Synthetics to destroy Organics?

-----Wait a second, aren't YOU in fact the only Synthetic that is actively trying to destroy Organics?  The entire Geth populace is helping us against you (and you used to be their god, bro.)  And the only other AI that we know exists is getting REEEEEEEEALY friendly with my organic pilot right about now.  Lawl, "cockpit."  But seriously, the only Synthetic that has ever followed your logic is you.  You're just a crazy idiot.

-----Why does a Synthetic god even have a magical pipe that, if shot and blown up, will kill his creations and even himself?  Did you come up with this magical pipe after playing Super Mario Bros. and eating a mess of "super mushrooms?"  Is THAT why you're so trippy and nonsensical?

-----Since you have the most powerful Synthetics, and you're afraid that Synthetics will destroy the Organics, couldn't you just use your synthetics to intervene in any kind of Synthetic Rebellions that arise, therefore saving Organics in a way that does not render them into a slurry?

-----Who the **** are you, anyway?  Did you maybe reduce your own creator to the reaper paste to make Harbinger?

I like this thread.  Coming here to converse has been the only good thing about the end of ME3.  Also, this Wizard Smiley will make me smile, so I'm posting him. 

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

yes but the catalyst is the one who controlls or created the reapers he has been having them commit mass genocide every 50 thousand years It is very hard to believe that he'd give you any real option of wining without either A destroying you and traping your forces or B keeping the reapers alive which in two of the endings happen by the way

Control doesn't work because no one has ever been able to control the reapers before Saren tried the illusive man tried but it never worked so again it leaves me to think it is a trap because no one can really control the reapers remember because they're beyond our understanding

Synthesis goes against the entire series as a whole because it destroys individuality or the only way for the galaxy to have peace is for everybody to be the same it goes against what mass effect stand for about bringing completely unique and different races for a purpose

And Javik himself said that they were not able to beat the reapers because they couldn't adapt or evolve because they ended up being all the same and that is why the reapers destroy and harvested the protheans turning them into the collectors we fought in me2

Destroy is the only option that makes somewhat sense but again the main villian wouldn't give you a solution without it benefiting him in the end and in the good destroy ending it looks like shepard is in the rubble probably most likely from harbingers blast and that either it was all a dream or a indoctrination attempt because the destruction of the citadel and then earths amospheric reentry wouldn't work because unlike Acheera we have Oxygen which can cause friction and burns thing up and our planet as a whole is generally warm so it wouldn't really work either

The whole point being is the catalyst is the main villian and he wouldn't really let shepard win without it causing more harm then good some come on be real with yourselves the catalyst is the creator of the reapers hes not your friend he  is the one that made these powerful machines that have been trying to kill us to think that he'd give us any real situation to win is absurd

[Benchpress610]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

     Guys, Thanatos is clearly just trolling you all.  I mean, for God's sake, the third codex entry you get in Mass Effect 1 explains how Asari don't actually need to physically mate with anyone to reproduce, but rather they randomize a copy of their own DNA to more closely emulate their partner.  The THIRD CODEX ENTRY EVER.

     He's trolling, plain and simple.  Don't even reply to him.

Oh, we've known this person for ever. He's been trolling this thread for two months now. Bubbles, bubbles

[Malditor]

Sythesis doesn't make everyone the same. Also, it was already slowly heading that way, as indicated by all the implants that the different characters had alread. Also, it doesn't go against the whole of the series because there are constantly options at compromise. This is the epitome of compromise, and therefore is very much in line with the way the story has been going. The problem lies in the fact that there aren't variations of the 3 choices and/or the option for shepard to live. At least that's what I've gathered from all the arguments about the ending. Do I think the ending could have gone differently, perhaps more options and definitely more variation in final scenes? Sure, but like I said, not enough for it to halt all further progress in the new content to appease the ones who aren't happy with it.

[LiarasShield]

everyone is now half machine and half human everyone is forced to be the same that does go against the mass effect series because as a whole shepard worked with completely different races to accomplish a goal or to defeat a smart enemy they would have no chance of wining if they were all the same or couldn't adapt because javik plainly said that is the reason why his people lost the war in the first place