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[pjotroos]

Giskler wrote...

Not going to get really wordy other than the fact that Mass Effect 3 was incredible up to the beam run. Godchild and pick your color completely ruined the best sci-fi universe and franchise in videogaming. Unbelievable that the developers could even remotely think that this ending gives any closure. I feel betrayed and my faith in Bioware is forever shattered.

I cant believe how poorly you've handled this. You've pushed away a lot of loyal fans this past week.

Yeah, I'll just bump it up, since I agree fully.

Can we please get the proper explanation on why did you decide on a scenario that alienates people more the more they're invested in the series? The situation you have right now is people that played through some or all of your games are saying "yeah, whatever, it's good enough", guys like me that followed all three parts with story DLC are vivid, and then the people that paid you extra for all the books and comics and weapon packs and collector editions are just camping up forums for days because they can't get over what happened. You can go all artistic in a movie that's two hours long, but game series running for years is a certain obligation. It's meant to entertain first and foremost. It's meant to provide some replayability. Most of all it's meant to not aggravate people. There's enough misery in the world as it is, we don't need more of it in our escapist superhero fiction.

[Thelonesomerider]

Mordin's death was may favorite moment, along with tali getting drunk, and anything with garrus or liara

[bmg2]

Shepard Wins wrote...

As stated countless times above, it was brilliant until the ending. The ending was just as bad as the rest was good. Which means VERY.

Note that I am a completionist, I have done every sidequest and saved everyone I could in previous games.

Favourite moments:
+ Curing the genophage on Tuchanka, Mordin's death scene (INCREDIBLY sad but beautiful and touching)
+ Thane's death, as above, actually made me burst into tears, hell tears fill my eyes even now as I am writing these words and rememembering it.
+ Miranda saying "Nobody's perfect" on Horizon, it was just so UNBELIVEABLY brilliant
+ Peace between Geth and Quarians. Malakim2009 said it best above: "Felt like I just brought peace to the Middle East."
+ Legion referring to himself as "I", EDI and her questions about the nature of being alive. Pure Asimov and Philip K. Dick stuff. Brilliance.
+ Killing Kai Leng. "That was for Thane, you SOB!"
+ Conrad Verner's reapperance and making those little sidequests back from ME1 matter.
+ The overall attention to detail. It's what made this whole game. All the little self-references all over the place (ocular flashbangs, calibrations, refund guy getting his refund, a krogan mechanic mentioning a combustion manifold, daniels and donnelly talking about FBA couplings etc.)
+ jokes between Joker and Garrus deserve a separate note, they were AMAZING
+ Jack in Grissom Academy. See, this is EXACTLY the kind of closure that should be in an ending of an epic saga. You do something for someone, and later see how that affects him. Jack being just one of many, many examples here.
+The fact that I could go on about all these great things...

...and then came the last 15 minutes. I think it has already been adequately discribed. The endings held no water whatsoever and pretty much ruined the entire series for me. I walked away from the monitor depressed, alienated and confused. It was just. That. Bad. Made me wish I could get some Brain Bleach and erase everything that happens after Harbinger almost hits Shepard and Co. with the laser.

QFE.

There's just so many things that made the game so amazing up to the last 15 minutes or so. Not just all  that happened with current and previous companions, but even little things like the Asari and Krogan from ME2..helped them out..they were happy...saw them on Tuchanka later in ME2...then he dies in ME3 and you take his last message back to his love on the Citadel... So many amazing things in the game and games...then it's all destroyed in the last 15 minutes.

Modifié par bmg2, 15 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Xaijin]

My favorite moment has yet to happen because the endgame and the endings are not BioWare quality, nor are they consistent with the universe itself.

If you need to use as the projected 1st round DLC net recoup to pay for new content and Karpyshyn's involvement in crafting a RANGE of endings, then do it. Because any future BioWare purchases directly depend on it.

Modifié par Xaijin, 15 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[CMD-Shep]

I really loved this game. I did. It was just the right mixture of action and RPG for me. That said, the ending(s) was very unsatisfying because it left a lot of questions unanswered. Questions that deserve answers.

[Spectre DeLorean]

Like many, the endings felt unsatisfying but unlike many, it isn't because of Shepard. I expected to die since Bioware stated that the trilogy would be Shepard's tale.

Sure, it would have been cool to perhaps had a memorial service during the credits similar to Spock's funeral with remaining key characters present, but I digress...

The thing that left me most unsatisfied is the relays getting destroyed. Sure, there could be implied hope in that the remnants of the civilizations could re-develop FTL and have the remaining technology that used mass effect fields to rebuild efficient FTL technology, but aside from that there is an underlying sense of despair that every bond, every alliance, every interaction with each alien species across the millenia is now gone.

Were the many inactive, lost and hidden relays the codex referred to destroyed as well, even though for all intents and purposes they were "unplugged" from the larger network?

Are the inactive relays the key to reuniting the galaxy at large?

If so, perhaps any future Mass Effect games (if there are any) would use the search and activation of these other relays to rebuild and reconnect with the other species around the galaxy rather than human society seemingly forgetting the half century they spent amongst the stars and the galactic community really existed.

[lashrouxed]

UlricKerensky wrote...

Listen, Bioware- it's been one hell of a ride for all us, so I hope you don't mind me getting down to brass tacks on this one. I want to give you constructive criticism and ideas, and I appreciate you opening a dialogue.

Firstly, almost the entire game was pure gold. There are a ton of great moments- and most of them are 'banter' moments on the ship, like Kaidan and Vega playing poker or Tali drunk. Most fans would shell out the money for an extended banter/romance pack without blinking, so there's a revenue stream for you. As an aside to this, many fans want a better picture for the Tali easter egg. I didn't feel too incredibly strongly about it, one way or another. But here's an incredibly easy way to earn some community trust back: make a better render contest, and offer up the next piece of DLC. Make people vote for which of the top three images should be the official face of everybody's favorite quarian. Dead simple. Super effective. Fans get to participate.

As for the ending, I'm sure you've been given both barrels about it enough times, so I'm not going to repeat the whole lack of conclusion/choice/seeing how your choices actually made a difference. Your fans feel so bitter and angry because they feel that best case scenario, you gave them half of an ending.

As a side note, I think the thing that has been riling up everyone so much is the handling of the community. Answering questions instead of sidestepping them really didn't help, and increased the frustration a lot. I understand- you're under siege, and your corporate overlords probably have a gag order out. You guys don't deserve half the crap you've gotten from everyone.

I've been a loyal fan for a decade, Bioware. You guys can un**** yourselves, I know it. Hell, you can even make some fat stacks churning out a ton of DLC for Mass effect. One piece of advice, though- don't make us pay for the ending. We'll shell out the money, but you will have lost consumer trust forever. Gamers will be so furious for having to pay for the other half of the ending that all the good you've done over the years will evaporate. Hell, even now, in your darkest hour, your fans have shelled out almost 50 grand in charity as a form of civil protest. Just remember that.

Pretty much my opinion here 100%.  

You guys advertised the game as having a really great closure and it was the total opposite.  Even Casey Hudson himself said that he liked an ending where not everything needed to be knowed and i quite disagree with him on that subject. 

You want to make more Mass Effect? Fine, here is something first tough.  Close up this chapter, get us some epilogue, make us reflect on everything that we did for the past 5 years, I want to yell a battlecry full of joy and victory or cry all the tears in my body over this series. 

What I DO NOT WANT tough is being left speechless at all the unanswered questions, characters not acting like they should and more importantly, I want choice, Mr Hudson said it himself:  We write the story, there is no canon, we drive it.  To have this power removed at the end and everything ending up pretty much the same no matter what I choose is dissapointing. 

Oh and 17 different endings which are 95% the same is not really 17 different endings.  You would have been in a better position doing only 3 completely marvelous endings.  

That's my 2 cents...

[meisjoe]

 Just having you acknowledge the issue helps a lot!

[Scitenik]

My favorite moment? Was it the crushing disappointment after realizing all the endings were the same and nothing mattered? Was it when I realized that all those characters that sacrificed themselves over the course of the game ended up amounting to nothing? Was it when I realized that it still annoys me almost a week later? Or that there really aren't any plans to change anything?

Oh, sorry, favorite moments.

Gah. I really did love the game. The characters, the tension, the pacing, it was all great.

[Ochre]

Esquin wrote...

Priestly, stop trying to deflect.

Stop trying to distract us from the bad ending by getting us to focus on the rest of the game when the ending really does ruin the entire game. I know why you're doing it, so do many of us. We're not fools. But we're not going to just forget about this because you remind us of the rest of the game. We know about the rest of the game. But heres the thing. I can't even bring myself to play it again after that ending.

This.  Exactly.  The whole "focus on the journey, not the destination" isn't going to fly.  We know about the journey, its great, but its rendered completely pointless by the terrible ending you've left us.  You've left us with unanswered questions and a prompt to buy DLCs because Shepard is such a legend.  Do you really think we could stomach a DLC that is part of the journey when we have such a crappy ending?

I'm not saying there should be a sunshine and puppies Ending DLC but I'd like my choices from the 3 games to actually matter, to have made a difference and have that be reflected in different endings.  If there has to be a heroic sacrifice, I can accept that, but make it mean something.  Give us closure on the crew you've helped us to care about over the previous two games.

And while you're trying to figure out what to do, don't think that this community is going to fall for an "Oh shiny!" and be so easily distracted from the issue of the endings.  Ending.

[Zhor2395]

Getorex wrote...

Aedera wrote...

For those of you who continually say "the ending ruined the entire game for me" I propose an analogy for you:

Lets say you go to an amusement park with your friends. The day is awesome, you get to the front of the line for every ride, the weather is awesome, theres great food. But, at the end of the day, you spill coffee all over your favorite white shirt. Does the bad thing happening at the end of the day ruin the rest of it? No. Does the ending of this game that most (not all, including myself) people dislike, ruin the rest of the experience? No. You're being entirely over dramatic and emotional.

The "poor" ending to the game changes NOTHING about the journey getting there, nothing about the writing, the dialogue, the choices, storytelling, characters, absolutely nothing is changed. How you can let 5 minutes destroy 30+ hours of quality emotional story is beyond me. The story and gameplay was stellar, my props to BioWare for delivering, and I apologize for all of the crap being flung your way.

This ending wasn't spilling coffee.  It was your best friend getting hit by a red car..or was it blue?  Or wait...green.  Also, instead of all your friends being there to witness it, they magically were on a cruise ship.

Sickeningly, I laugh.  Well said.  

not that i'd want my friend getting hit by car, but lololololol

[Thelonesomerider]

the ending did not give justice to this amazing game, to many plot holes and more questions than answers

[Polat995]

Ochre wrote...

Esquin wrote...

Priestly, stop trying to deflect.

Stop trying to distract us from the bad ending by getting us to focus on the rest of the game when the ending really does ruin the entire game. I know why you're doing it, so do many of us. We're not fools. But we're not going to just forget about this because you remind us of the rest of the game. We know about the rest of the game. But heres the thing. I can't even bring myself to play it again after that ending.

This.  Exactly.  The whole "focus on the journey, not the destination" isn't going to fly.  We know about the journey, its great, but its rendered completely pointless by the terrible ending you've left us.  You've left us with unanswered questions and a prompt to buy DLCs because Shepard is such a legend.  Do you really think we could stomach a DLC that is part of the journey when we have such a crappy ending?

I'm not saying there should be a sunshine and puppies Ending DLC but I'd like my choices from the 3 games to actually matter, to have made a difference and have that be reflected in different endings.  If there has to be a heroic sacrifice, I can accept that, but make it mean something.  Give us closure on the crew you've helped us to care about over the previous two games.

And while you're trying to figure out what to do, don't think that this community is going to fall for an "Oh shiny!" and be so easily distracted from the issue of the endings.  Ending.

Hell yeah! Sorry Chris. We are not idiots that can you easily deceive. Stop asking about our best moments and FOCUS ON THE ENDING!

[Aurvant]

My favorite part was with my FemShep and Liara during the Time Capsule scene. It was cute and her speech when you let her make the recording herself about Shepard is just amazing. Liara's VA was spot on and I could feel the emotion there.

Least favorite part? Everything that happened after Harbinger shot Shepard with the laser beam.

[VampireCommando]

Favirote bit, THE ENTIRE FREAKING GAME!!!!!!

Seriously the entire game, from the little devil child playing with his toy ship, up until defending the missles right at the end, the entire game was a master peace that is beyond anything ever produced... Apart from the last 20 minutes, lets not talk about them shall we, just fix them .

[ShdwFox7]

pablosplinter wrote...

Favourite moment?

All of it tbh .......until the end

^ This

[oneyedjohn]

The fall of earth, mordin's death, the Cerberus raid on the citadel. and all of the missions related to Rannoch are my favorite moments.

as for the ending, all i want is a text epilogue of what happened to the galaxy after the crucible fired.

[notDestin]

Thanks for the post.

[Mole267]

My biggest problem with the ending, it's over way too quickly and you actually never see any of your decision making and hard work have any fruition.

The scene I got with the Normandy escaping with everyone, that really made no sense either. Did they all board the Normandy after the fight on Earth became hopeless, and escape? Leaving Shepard behind to sacrifice himself, even though they couldn't possibly know what he was doing?

[Lost Mercenary]

Hated the ending. Total rubbish. Blah blah blah yadder yadder yadder. Everyone and their dog has already said how I feel about it so more of it I will not speak.

Favourite moment?

Tali: I love you.
Shepard: Keelah'Selai



Romance and total badassery all in the same moment? That's the Shepard way!

[Tony Redgrave]

Darkwingduck wrote...

It's so hard to talk about this game now because my opinion of it changed so quickly. Literally as I powered through the final mission I was thinking how it was game of the year. How I really felt like all of the stories were being tied together so nicely. We watched the Krogans struggle from game one and finally we got to really help them and repair their relationship at least in part with other species. I got to annoy the heck out of a Salarian who wanted me to desperately stop touching his console (I do what want), peace between the quarians and geth (who were allowed to become individuals) it was magical. I got to see a very drunk Tali and Jack care about people other than herself it was a journey and I was filled with such hope.

Then this moment happened as Shepard ran towards the beam and my adrenaline was pumping and then everything seemed to stop. Shepard was hit and my fight or flight instinct kicked in and I thought I had made a mistake. Maybe I zigged instead of zagged and I wanted to exit out of the game and reload to do something else but as I tried to process Shepard got up. It was at that moment that the hope I had began to slip away and it continued rapidly. Everything that followed (aside from shooting the Illusive man I really enjoyed that) was utter mind boggling disappointment. Every second I was on the citadel I wondered where my crew was, they had been right behind me and yet there was no mention of them. One of them being Shepard's love interest so I'd assume she should have been at least a little concerned but whatever she got blown up priorities and all that I could let that go for a second. But the choices were such bull and I mean that as politely as I can.

I have played a lot of videogames and never has a set of choices made me flat out not want to choose. It wasn't that it was a morally difficult question or one that made me sit and question which followed that particular Shepard's moral compass it was that every single one seemed so "who cares". They all went against the grain of what I had come to expect from the Mass Effect franchise and from Shepard. You gave us this Hero who could accomplish the impossible where every time someone said she wouldn't succeed Shepard said watch me and did it anyways. You gave us this character who became a beacon of hope for an entire galaxy who climbed mountains and yet you let them fail at their most important task.

More than all the plot holes(Joker abandoning Shepard, squadmates magically on normandy, how anderson got on the citadel etc etc etc) the fact that the ending erases everything you have accomplished and works for is utterly disappointing and depressing. To single out the accomplishments Shepard amasses in this game alone is staggering and so much is done to simply have it not matter. It really doesn't matter because the damage done by the ending choices makes everything else seem so insignificant in comparison or it erases them completely. You can talk about the journey all you want but with that ending all of that hard work feels like it was for nothing. It feels like I wasted my time putting so much effort into every single decision.

If someone were to tell me before I finished the game that the ending would actually make me depressed I would have laughed at them. But it did and it didn't make me feel sad in the way that Hawke's mom dying in DA2 made me sad or Mordin or Legion dying made me sad. Those character's deaths were tragic in the latter two I'd come to truly love them as characters and I felt Shepard's pain of losing a friend. No this wasn't sadness this was a game making me feel lost because the forty hours that I had just invested, no the hundreds of hours i'd invested over three games felt like it didn't matter. There was this massive build up because of how amazing Mass Effect 3 was and then this utter let down of a hopeless ending when everything we've come to expect from Shepard suggested it wouldn't end that way.

If you want to know why we are upset it is because we expect the best from Bioware when it comes to story telling because a lot of the time you are the best. We trust you because in the past you have done so right by us and listened to us and chatted with us on the forums we feel connected to you. When I think of game developers I put Bioware in another category entirely because you actually talk to your fans and seem to genuinely care. But you didn't make a good ending to the most amazing Mass Effect or sci fi or whatever game. This sounds so dramatic but in that moment it felt like you broke everything I'd come to expect of you and I felt utterly let down and betrayed. This sound so corny but we are so upset because we do love this company, we love the games you make and we trust you so much. We want to be on your side, we want to love this game 100% and see it succeed and be recognized as the masterpiece it should be. It is difficult to admit when you've made a mistake but that ending was a mistake and it needs to be fixed.

Good post.

I really don't want to see Mass Effect, which I consider the very best game series of all time, remembered as the brilliant trilogy that was ruined by its abysmal ending.

Walking away from the ending(s) left me with a bitter feeling of betrayal and defeat. Ending(s) that we were told would stay true to the franchise, that would be directly affected by our heroes history and choices, an ending that was supposed to conclude the most epic story ever told in a video game and, the most important point for me, provide closure on our heroes story.
But we got neither closure nor a conclusion, every choice we ever made was blantantly ignored and we got confusion and despair, a nonsensical and incoherent mess...in 3 different colors.

BioWare, Mass Effect deserves so much better than this and we know you can deliver. Just as you have time and time again in the past.

Modifié par Spaz85, 15 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[The Smitchens]

Honestly... the scene where that kid gets blown up by the reaper at the beginning is among my favorite moments. Shows the game has a quad and means business.

[gmboy902]

Thanks for the acknowledgement. Still crossing my fingers for a redo or addon, but at the very least we can know we aren't completely ignored.

[Stygian1]

Just heard about BioWare will be "addressing questions about the ending".... don't do this BioWare, change it for god's sake.


My only question would be this: "Why did the ending single handedly destroy my entire love for the ME universe, and how can you defend it any way?"