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[Thanatos144]

daveyeisley wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

daveyeisley wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

spoiled children....

Yo, yo, you got dat so right, dawg. You keep droppin all dis maturity on us ungrateful babies. We all admire you, dawg. You got such a handle on being a grown-up. You tryin to teach us how to grow, right? You wanna help us all. I feel you dawg.

What else, what else?

I dont care if you admire me. I just find it humorous you 5 keep at this.

We jus' tryin to do right by you, mastah!

So you are now saying I am a racist?????Really? Grow up

[daveyeisley]

ROFL, nah dawg, you too perfect to have a flaw dat big, yo!

[Malditor]

I wonder if this is a good portion of the 825 pages of this thread rofl.

[3DandBeyond]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Older lady... I beg to differ, such a young a vibrant soul.  
But this is exactly what (most) everyone really wants, a reason to play through again.
If Bioware can fix that then the % of unhappy people (even if it's an ending they don't completely agree with) will drop dramatically.

As for anyone who thinks we've complained enough, their stated ec doesn't beam down a ray of sunshine in the gloom of ME that I have had since I seen Shepard get blasted of his/her feet.  Once I have hope, or Bioware has dashed all hope, then and only then shall I stop.  I'm waiting to see their response, if they are listening.

You are very kind and I thank you, appreciate your words.
I do also believe that until the EC has been released (and perhaps after) the discussion will continue.

I see ME as a series of stories on failures, evil, designs on god-hood, love, loss, misguided thinking, and above all redemption.  The willingness to make quantum shifts in beliefs and understanding and to be changed within onself.  To literally see a different path and to embrace that choice.  It's Mordin, it's the Turians, it's the Quarians, the geth, EDI, Miranda, Wrex and the Krogans.  It's Shepard as well-every decision Shepard makes is one of constant adaptation-a real oxymoron.  Shepard must constantly see new ways to do things and accept new vision.  And Shepard does that.  Yes, sometimes Shepard had to make difficult decisions, but often because there was no other way.  But always there was redemption.

The devs could take a lesson here.  They have a captive audience, one that wants to see them redeem themselves.  We aren't looking for them to fail, we aren't sitting here fully expecting they will disappoint because that is the attitude that got us here.  It's defeatist.  It expresses what Shepard became at the end of the game.  Shepard, or that Shepard pretender at the end gives up and gives in.  We don't want to do the same.

I do hope the game and devs can be redeemed.  Their words don't give us a lot of hope, but I just can't believe that people that could write so many tales of rising above mistakes that were made, could not see that they have the chance to do the same here.

[daveyeisley]

Cmon Bubbles, you know we hangin on yer every word! Drop some more knowledge on us!

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

Ah...bubbles making ripples again. Isn't that nice....

One day when you have something of substance instead of bootlicking and whining you will be worth more notice than what you get now which is humour.

Point me to the part where you've been humorous.  I missed it.  Heck, point me to the part where you were civil, rational, decided to actually discuss instead of ridicule people who simply differ in opinion from you.

I feel sorry for you, nothing more, nothing less.  You have said you can't understand that we have nothing better to do than this, and yet you seem to have nothing better to do yourself.

You've called people childish, but only someone insecure that fully embodies the word childish would resort to name-calling instead of debating with actual thought.

You've indicated that people here are ignorant but when people have regaled you with scientific fact and actual intellectual thought, you've exemplified that word.

You've continually labeled people as self-important, entitlement seeking whiners and yet there is no one so whiny as one who looks upon valid complaint this way and feels the need to point it out repeatedly.

You've indicated that you believe your intellect to be far above the level of most of those posting here ("what do they teach in schools these days?") and yet you cannot count above 5.

You have categorically stated you have better things to do and have moved on to other awesome games and away from here.  To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, "I do not think that means what you think it means".

You have sometimes stated that you are ok with the ending as is which indicates you have the game you wanted and should be satisfied.  And yet, you still feel the need to defend it.  The lady doth protest too much methinks.

You state that people here just don't seem to understand Mass Effect, but you have not played all 3 games on one platform.  You state things that are not true (can be and have been disproven) but then ignore or deny it when people point these things out to you.

You seem to think we are a bunch of sad people with no lives, but you have to stop looking at your own reflection when you say that.  That's a mirror, not a window.

There are many intelligent people here and in many other threads that speak eloquently and even intellectually on this subject.  The sad thing is it is so lost on you that you view it as childish and ignorant.  Read more, talk less for your own good.  You might learn something.

Finally, you really need to look up the term bootlicking, for it is you that have been doing just that.  No one else, but you.  It's just like brown-nosing, suck up, and so on.  You need to put down the mirror.  What did they teach in your school?

It's becoming bathtub bubbles.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[daveyeisley]

Bubbles only purpose in this thread has for some time been simply defiance. Someone back in the late 700 pages or so basically told him if he was happy and didn't want to discuss anything with an open mind and use both of his brain cells simultaneously he should stop babbling.

So, much like a recalcitrant child, he stays and keeps babbling just to spite us. He has nothing of value to say, and seemingly no interest in learning, and is currently deserving of only ridicule for his behavior.

I stopped being annoyed. Now, I am just going to mess with him for trying to mess with me. More fun that way.

Modifié par daveyeisley, 18 mai 2012 - 01:24 .

[3DandBeyond]

daveyeisley wrote...

Cmon Bubbles, you know we hangin on yer every word! Drop some more knowledge on us!

I really don't want him to drop anything on me-I know what it would be.

[daveyeisley]

3DandBeyond wrote...

daveyeisley wrote...

Cmon Bubbles, you know we hangin on yer every word! Drop some more knowledge on us!

I really don't want him to drop anything on me-I know what it would be.

You see, he has backed himself into a corner and is refusing to admit he is outmatched. He is mouthing off just to avoid having to shut up.  Its sad, and pitiful, as you said.

Still, he is going to drop those lovely packages of fecal matter whether we like it or not, so we might as well enjoy ourselves while trying to ignore the smell.

Modifié par daveyeisley, 18 mai 2012 - 01:27 .

[3DandBeyond]

daveyeisley wrote...

Bubbles only purpose in this thread has for some time been simply defiance. Someone back in the late 700 pages or so basically told him if he was happy and didn't want to discuss anything with an open mind and use both of his brain cells simultaneously he should stop babbling.

So, much like a recalcitrant child, he stays and keeps babbling just to spite us. He has nothing of value to say, and seemingly no interest in learning, and is currently deserving of only ridicule for his behavior.

I stopped being annoyed. Now, I am just going to mess with him for trying to mess with me. More fun that way.

Oh, I agree-he isn't to be taken seriously.  The result of what he's doing is the exact opposite of what he wants.  It extends the debate.  It's just that sometimes it comes down to debating his lack of input rather than other things.  That's ok, he seems to have the need to be unhappy.  I just point out that everything he says about others is exactly what he is himself. 

Yes, he drops stuff, just don't step in it.

Oh and he's 40 you know.  Funny thing is I could almost be his mother (well if I'd been a pretty young mother), but he's assumed I'm a kid.  He thinks I don't get it that I can't always get what I want, though I've lived way past long enough to learn that lesson.  My nephews are half his age and would never act as he does. 

I think a great many of us (and one person stated this very well) look upon this as a place to come and have lively discussion.  We know we won't always agree, but discussion is great.  We may discuss the unbelievable-the meaning of the ending that is.  Or we may discuss our feelings about the games in general and the ending.  I cannot imagine any other game that could get someone like myself discussing such topics with such a diverse group as has assembled here and it amazes me. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 mai 2012 - 01:34 .

[Voodoo-j]

Fine as it is.
2%(1594 votes) - (+1 mr bubbles)

I want bubbles to explain how 2% is the majority.

[3DandBeyond]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Fine as it is.
2%(1594 votes) - (+1 mr bubbles)

I want bubbles to explain how 2% is the majority.

He can't count higher than 5-this will be a problem.

[daveyeisley]

^^ROFLMAO!!!!

[3DandBeyond]

Ok, at the risk of sounding really stupid, have any of you seen some of the descriptions for the supposed but denied content within the mythical "rebellion" multiplayer DLC?

It's been said this DLC if it exists will contain a character called a Phoenix. I'm sure all of you know what a Phoenix is, but it's never been shown in the ME games. It's a mythical bird that rises above the ashes to live again. Ok, what does that sound like? It has got me really wondering. We have the vision of someone in ashes at the end of the game if you pick one certain choice. Of course the DLC could all be false, but I think it was a Sony source that leaked it.

Ok, talk amongst yourselves.

Where my mind wanders to is the idea that this race or class that is supposedly to be included may point to something else.  Either it's a new military order or class created to honor Shepard or it's what Shepard is in reality.  This is just for discussion's sake and of course fantasy until we know what happens.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 18 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[daveyeisley]

Me
Voodooj
Benchpress610
3dandbeyond
redbelle
archonsg
amstrad hero
liarasshield

He sees the above names, and thinks we are the only people here because we post the most. Still obviously more than 5, but as we have seen facts dont bother him at all. I almost envy the bliss he must have achieved.

He just ignores the fact that the list keeps growing and growing as new people finish the game and come to the forums for the very purpose this thread was created. To discuss our opinions and feelings, and to offer Bioware feedback.

He ignores:

Bayul
Bluestorm83
mandalore007
sdinc009
akenn312
no_msg
tjbartlemus
gyrosp
calibisto
dalethfc

And this is only going back like 10 pages. That kind of willful ignorance can only be deliberate trolling. So sad.... but it wouldn't matter to him if there we a million people here saying they didnt like the ending. He would keep baiting the few of us that post often, just so he doesn't have to take the advice he was offered about leaving the thread.

[Voodoo-j]

My assumption is that he likes the ending (which is fine and completely his right) and he feels he is defending Bioware. Such a noble gesture. The issue is he is not nobly defending. Not using facts, and childishly attempting to diminish the spirit of anyone that disagrees.

As we are not in preschool, this tactic fails miserably.

If you want to defend, get some logic behind your statements.

[Benchpress610]

Malditor wrote...

I wonder if this is a good portion of the 825 pages of this thread rofl.

This is the comedy relief part of the thread. We have all kinds of entertainment here

[sdinc009]

Malditor wrote...

akenn312 wrote...

I believe in your right to like the game but saying people should have not said anything at all because they don't deserve anything, or getting raw with them for not liking the ending because you can't get new DLC content is fanboyish behavior. I think that the story's ending is bad, and also I "think" Bioware cut too many corners on the game that has been already argued to death here. Basically I think this game and story can be considered great for those who have a blind fanboy devotion to the Mass Effect franchise or EA & Bioware, but it is not a game that had a good ending and left a lot of players left out on an island with the way the game is made.

So I would like to leave this article here called "Fanboys Ruin Everything" and here is a partt from the article

"So here's my solution: cut it out. Like, for real. I'm not saying that you have to like what everyone else likes, or that your purchasing habits need to change. All that really needs to change is the way you view your favorite players in the industry. They aren't infallible. Sometimes their games suck. Occasionally their competitors might even make a better game. The people that disagree with you might not have been dropped as children or exposed to high doses of radiation at a young age. And, yes, your favorite developers, publishers, and console-makers will attempt to use your loyalty to make a quick buck. Be just as passionate but with a generous helping of sense."

Link to the article.
http://www.cheatcc.c...78#.T7Vpxb91P0g



But also I do have to agree, we ending haters have been beating the hell out of a dead horese. The posting over by all of us now that they are doing the EC is getting a little much, I do think we should cool it for a while.

Interesting, I never once said people didn't have the right to voice their opinion or that they don't deserve anything. Actually, I said they should be working on the EC and regular DLC in tandum so everyone gets what they want. To demand one to the exclusion of the other is wrong. To insist that I'm a fanboy because I enjoyed the game and want to be able to play more content is strange. Why can't it just mean that I have a different viewpoint than you? Even almost all those who want the ending changed have said they liked the rest of the game, but because I like the game and had no problem with the ending I'm a fanboy. Does that mean anyone who liked the game is a fanboy? I'm looking forward to the EC, any new content is nice after I buy a game, though being able to experience new things in the game is more desireable to me than revisiting something old. That's just my preference, again, I don't demand everyone feel the same though.

Ok, it's fine that you like the ending and want them to release DLC, but you've got to be able to see this as a whole. Right now Bioware has a problem which is that the vast majority of their fans are creating a very large problem for their company because of the ending. If they release SP DLC that does not fix that specific problem it would be bad for them. I would agree that I would also like to have extra DLC, but not before this issue gets resolved. This is business. They've got to put out fires before they can start rebuilding otherwise the whole thing will burn to the ground

[daveyeisley]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

I wonder if this is a good portion of the 825 pages of this thread rofl.

This is the comedy relief part of the thread. We have all kinds of entertainment here

Yeah, we totally needed an outlet for our sarcasm, and Bubbles is practically begging us to uplift him with a galeforce torrent of wit.

Its still pitiful in the sense he has not the awareness or wherewithall to see that he should be embarassed, but that is just more ammunition for sarcasm!

Modifié par daveyeisley, 18 mai 2012 - 02:07 .

[bayul]

Hey I love Bioware, I love their work. I am grateful that they exist, I'm grateful to have experienced Mass Effect and the Dragon Age series. But expectations on possible endings and options to improve the outcome of the war had been very clear and straightforward in ME1 and 2. The Third one went out of its way to throw all options out the window and replace all hopes with a generic, nonsense tri-color ending. No romantic conclusion, no epic victory conclusion, no disastrous defeat (A clear defeat despite reuniting the whole galaxy for war would have been incredible...a lesson of sorts)....instead we got an enigmatic, anti-climatic, incredibly disconnected ending. Cut after cut, it just doesn't make sense. SOMETHING happened along the way. We really are part of the quality control process...and if MOST agree something was terribly awful...then the perception is by most probability, correct.This is a gem for the ages, not just a new Super Mario.This is a Science fiction piece I expect to remember for decades. And most people that go out of their way to comment are fans that have been experiencing Mass Effect from game 1. Not converts from Modern Warfare and Gears of War. For the glory of the Mass Effect franchise, the ending must be corrected.

KEE'LA SALAI!!!

[daveyeisley]

Kee'lah Se'lai!

[3DandBeyond]

Here's another interesting tidbit. I didn't finish all the events with Conrad in ME1, but apparently he returns in ME3, right?

And in talking with him, Shepard tells him that s/he is helping build a big anti-reaper dark energy device and Conrad says he knows a lot about dark energy. Ok, since it's basically known or thought that the original ending before the leak may have been about dark energy and the reapers were trying to destroy it or something, this may have meant something. Maybe it still does.

In the endings that there are now there's nothing about the Crucible being some dark energy weapon, but that would have been amazing. If you look up dark energy, it goes along with a cyclic model of the universe, something stated by Einstein. The universe expands over long periods of time and then has a fast contraction and then bounces and starts expanding again.

There are many theories on this-some that the cycle keeps speeding up or that something called phantom energy accelerates the cycles and then accelerates the universe's expansion to the point that it might rip.

I don't know but this all could have been so interesting and I would have been happy if they'd have made a Mass Effect 3, part 1 that began to explain what was going on and worked on finding ways to fight the reapers and then a Mass Effect 3, part 2 that actually got to the end.

[Voodoo-j]

Also, for his count of different people posting, I am guessing that like the many times someone said something I was thinking, but better, I did not post. How many have come here and read what they were feeling and left those already doing so to fight the good fight?

[Voodoo-j]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Here's another interesting tidbit. I didn't finish all the events with Conrad in ME1, but apparently he returns in ME3, right?

And in talking with him, Shepard tells him that s/he is helping build a big anti-reaper dark energy device and Conrad says he knows a lot about dark energy. Ok, since it's basically known or thought that the original ending before the leak may have been about dark energy and the reapers were trying to destroy it or something, this may have meant something. Maybe it still does.

In the endings that there are now there's nothing about the Crucible being some dark energy weapon, but that would have been amazing. If you look up dark energy, it goes along with a cyclic model of the universe, something stated by Einstein. The universe expands over long periods of time and then has a fast contraction and then bounces and starts expanding again.

There are many theories on this-some that the cycle keeps speeding up or that something called phantom energy accelerates the cycles and then accelerates the universe's expansion to the point that it might rip.

I don't know but this all could have been so interesting and I would have been happy if they'd have made a Mass Effect 3, part 1 that began to explain what was going on and worked on finding ways to fight the reapers and then a Mass Effect 3, part 2 that actually got to the end.

From what I've gleamed going over what the original writer has posted on the web, there were a few different possible endings they were building up to, and they had not dedcided on any specific one when he was part of the team.

[daveyeisley]

I agree they probsbly should have either:

a) Announced and released the game in 2 parts to properly handle the scope of the story they were tackling.

Pushed back the release date as many times as needed to do the whole thing properly, and sold it in a double thick case with 4 discs and a $80 or $90 pricetag.