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[Thanatos144]

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

2%

[JediMike2372]

Landon7001 wrote...

Jim-an-old-gamer says:
01:07am April 17 2012
Well, I finished ME3 last week and then spent a week in my spare time reading all about the travesty that was the ME3 ending. Yup, it was beyond awful. Here are my thoughts and it's not pretty…


I’m an older gamer; probably been gaming since before many of you were born. I started in 1975 on mainframes playing Star Trek on hard-copy terminals (yup, that is not a misprint). I am a huge gamer and build my own custom rigs to play on and do consoles too. There isn’t a game that matters in over three decades that I haven’t played. I love gaming; I know gaming. I’m in 49 Steam groups. That’s my background so you know…


I’m not going to rehash all the things that have been said by many others so very well. I’ll tell you that, to me, this was the worst ending in the history of gaming. I mean that not in an absolute sense, but that the delta between the expectations we had after the first 2 games, and the impossibly horrible ending of ME3 is the greatest in my recollection. Plain and simple, the people at Bioware and EA lied to us all. Flat out lied. We were given a great sandbox to play in and we were allowed to take this story in many directions based on our play. That was one of the defining aspects of the game. The first two games were terrific and while playing the third, I was about half-way through it but hadn’t seen all the grief about ME3 on the Internet as yet. At that point I stopped and took a break and said to my wife that this was the first gaming experience that could approach the Half-Life world in quality, emotion, combat and fun. It was awesome.


And then they took it all away. Like many of the gamers worldwide I had invested a ton of time and money into this franchise. And for one of the very few times in my 36+ years of gaming, I actually cared for this crew. I know that a non-gamer may not understand this, but think of it like the Harry Potter books or the LOTR trilogy. I cared about those souls I read about many times in Tolkien’s books. I felt this way about Shepard and his gang.


For all the reasons so well stated in Angry Joe’s 10 reasons on his WEBsite, I couldn’t agree more that BW/EA really blew this one on a grand scale. I mean I’m not sure that I have ever seen so much negative reaction to a game EVER! And it’s all because they did not respect the fans, the canon or the structure they had built. I can’t imagine who the genius was at BW/EA that green-lighted this mess. And it’s laughable how they are “standing by their choices”; it’s laughable. I am quite sure that there are employees are BW that knew this was a mistake of grand proportions and kept quiet to protect their jobs. Who was the Einstein that made this happen? And then they try to make all this negative controversy a marketing feature? I mean it’s just laughable. I only hope that people who may think about purchasing this series read about all of this on the Internet. Those who suggest a boycott may have something. Nothing else is likely to work. I’m not buying BW/EA ever again without the correct fix (not cut scenes…).


You just know that it is not going to get fixed the way all the fans would like. The suits and money men won’t support it even though they have made a bazillion dollars on this franchise. And that Einstein at BW would have to admit they made the biggest dumb ending decision in gaming history and would you do that? Naaah, he will keep quiet and hope it all blows over. A few cut scenes aren’t going to fix it. We want ME3 to end the same way ME2 ended; with choices and closure. I had hoped that BW would offer to give the code to the fans so someone could program the correct ending structure. You can bet they won’t do that either.


And I have a few words for all the “It’s Bioware’s game!, grow up” types. You’re all wet; all of you. You don’t know gaming and you obviously don’t care about gaming. It is not like a book or a movie. Those are fixed objects; the fallout of someone’s mind. An RPG game is an interactive experience and it is designed specifically for the gamer to interact with. The designers know this and build the gaming world for this. Do we sit around and tell you that it’s stupid to do whatever it is you like and get upset when those in THAT world screw with YOUR world? Don’t tread on our feet and we won’t tread on yours’. Butt out if you can’t think of something constructive to say. These are our feelings and if you don’t like it then go to Hell. I am as pissed at all of you as I am at Bioware.


In the end, this is what we have; Bioware took one of the finest sci-fi gaming franchises of this generation and almost created a masterpiece. It was almost Half-Life quality. It could have been amazing. And they tore it to shreds in the end. They really screwed the gaming community and especially the hard-core fans. Tens or hundreds of thousands feel various combinations of regret, anger and bewilderment. But what it really is, is sad. It is sad for the gamers; it is sad for Bioware’s team who almost made it happen, but then ruined it. It is just sad. I’m sure most will move on and try and put it behind us. I mean it’s a game. But we had really invested a lot in the ME world. I’m sure that whatever your hobbies are, that there are passionate people who aren’t happy when someone screws with your world.


I put the third CD back in the case and put it up on the shelf with the first two. And as I did that, all of this was on my mind. I deleted the three games from my gaming system along with Origin’s stuff and I won’t game for a while. I’m just not there. Bioware could be right that eventually it may blow over for them. But we won’t forget…

Regards,

An old guy named Jim

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Jim summed it up quite nicely in my opinion.  I have been a BW fan since I first played KOTOR.  That game blew me away.  Then one day I was looking for something new and I picked up this game called Mass Effect.  I was hooked.  The story was compelling, the combat wasn't horrible and the fact that it was choice driven made me think of KOTOR and how much I enjoyed that.  I did multiple play throughs, bought DLC's waited on pins and needles for ME2.  I was awe struck at how much improvement went on for that one.  Again multiple playthroughs and gladly gave my money for DLC's.  Now here comes ME3.  I went and preordered the Collectors Edition like I did with ME2.  Payed the extra for the weopons and perks you get for the preorder.  Got home, played for over 30 hours, much to the dismay of my wife, although not at once .  Loved the feeling of the play and most of the side tracked missions and scanning.  Then, there was the final battle in London and the beam.  Got to Anderson and then in walks TIM.  How did he get there?  Was he there when the Reapers moved the station?  Did he get there after?  Who knows.  BW sure didn't elaborate on that point.  But I thought "OK.  TIM is here and indoctrinated."  I could tell by the progression of the story that that was going to happen.  But then I shot Anderson, and then I shot TIM.  Ok.  The lack of emotional response on shooting Anderson floored me.  I mean if I shot my mentor I would show more emotion than that.  Especially after I was free of TIM and could.  Then came the activation of the Crucible.  Nothing happens and then comes the worst part.  Starkid and the 3 nonchoice choices you get.  Broke my heart in 3.  Not 2 since BW likes things in 3's.  I mean, they think that we are complaining because Shepard dies?  No.  We are not feeling entitled or anything else.  The only thing we feel we are entitled to is an ending that makes sense and provokes an emotional response, and this did not do it.  Not even a little.

So those of you who say we are complaining because we didn't get the joy-joy ending with blue babies, go to hell and take the ending with you.  I was expecting a death ending for the most part.  What I wasn't expecting was for it to be meaningless.  And yes I would like to see the happy ending, but not at the cost of the games story.

In the words of Dennis Miller-"That's just my opinion, I could be wrong"

[AlienShagger]

Landon7001 wrote...


I put the third CD back in the case and put it up on the shelf with the first two. And as I did that, all of this was on my mind. I deleted the three games from my gaming system along with Origin’s stuff and I won’t game for a while. I’m just not there. Bioware could be right that eventually it may blow over for them. But we won’t forget…

You shouldn't forget. BioWare gave you more than an ending; they gave you the most important choice you can make and, intentionally or not, in some crazy twist of luck or artistic skill, managed to ask you to make the same choice in your own life.

This is far more than any story I experienced did for me, except perhaps writings of Plato more than a decade ago. Anything less than this would have been infinitely less, no matter how otherwise soothing (or perhaps because of it).

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

2%

I wasn't talking about the percentage of the rage trolls in the fanbase.....

Modifié par Thanatos144, 21 mai 2012 - 06:48 .

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

2%

I wasn't talking about the percentage of the rage trolls in the fanbase.....

rofl  thats classic

[DyneEnigma]

So now, if people ask me how bad an ending is, I compare it to ME3's. Yep. ME3 still has the worst ending. I'd destroy my world in Minecraft before I play through those endings again. Even WITH this "Extended Cut" bs.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

He or She already does that by submitting to the being who has either created or controls the reapers who have been destroying advanced organic civilizations for thousands or millons of years so once shepard meets the main villian or the creater of the reapers he or she doesn't challange his twisted logic for the reason he causes mass genocide and only gives in to the creator of the reapers and only sees the creator of the reapers choices as shepards only options when this is the being who has used the reapers to destroy most of the galaxy zillions of times over

And in 2 of the 3 endings the reapers live and in all the endings shepards forces are trapt around our dying solar system so in all the endings either the reapers live or they cleanse most of the galaxy of advanced organic life

A sacrifice and a meaningful one only happens if you end up saving the people that you sacrifice your life for but because the main villian the catalyst forces shepard into what options he or she is promitted and gives up to the main villian and have the main villian decide what you should do it is no longer a victory or sacrifice since none of these choices was under shepards own will power and the creator of the reapers forced shepard into its decisions it would like to see appear

We don't win we didn't beat the reapers nor did we really save anybody our fleets are stranded in our damaged solar system  and by the time they run out of supplies unless they can rebuild the relays or find a planet within our solar system that wasn't damaged then they do not have a shot

And any meaningful sacrifice was shot the moment shepard gave in to the main villian and had him decide what he or she does

We didn't beat the reapers they beated us

[LiarasShield]

and that is not acceptable

[Redbelle]

daveyeisley wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Well, you know it's like this:

Minor character (the kid in the beginning) Shepard is hit hard emotionally.  Has nightmares about it and tells others (Garrus, I think and hints at it to Liara) that this haunts him/her.  Big dramatic heart tug attempt. 
Major character (Anderson) gets shot by you (Shepard) and Shepard seems to feel nothing.
Major character (Thane) dies and Shepard is expressionless.
Major character (Mordin)  sacrifices himself and Shepard is expressionless.

I think the player seems to feel more about these things than Shepard does.  Apparently major things in the game didn't matter as much as minor things, so it makes sense to pull this star kid, possibly a being of light from some minor codex entry and make him the major character in the last 5 minutes.  It all makes sense now.

I ran thru the game doing a 'speed run'.... finished it in just over 17 hours played ignoring most of the optional content and making almost all renegade choices....

When I argued with mordin at the Shroud and he admtted that he made a mistake... Wow.

What he said about the Big Picture hit home. Should hit home with the big dogs at EA and Bioware, too....

"Big picture made of little pictures..."

You have to get all the minor ones right (which they mostly did, yeah), but also the major ones, too (which sadly, they didn't).

Don't want to spoil things for you but if you haven't already, try that ending after killing Wrex in ME1 and destoying Mordins student 's data in ME2. The sequence then slips together so finely you want go Ahhhhhhhhh.

Modifié par Redbelle, 21 mai 2012 - 07:34 .

[3DandBeyond]

AlienShagger wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...


I put the third CD back in the case and put it up on the shelf with the first two. And as I did that, all of this was on my mind. I deleted the three games from my gaming system along with Origin’s stuff and I won’t game for a while. I’m just not there. Bioware could be right that eventually it may blow over for them. But we won’t forget…

You shouldn't forget. BioWare gave you more than an ending; they gave you the most important choice you can make and, intentionally or not, in some crazy twist of luck or artistic skill, managed to ask you to make the same choice in your own life.

This is far more than any story I experienced did for me, except perhaps writings of Plato more than a decade ago. Anything less than this would have been infinitely less, no matter how otherwise soothing (or perhaps because of it).

Pardon me, but what???  So, he made the decision to walk away from the game and take his money with him.  That is exactly what a company that wants to sell you stuff is after.

Honestly, this is a thinking person's game, but to imply that the ending is on a par with Plato is well I can't say the word.  Give me a break.  It is childish nonsense that has been picked apart by better minds than mine and they have done so eloquently.  It is like a psychotic break and it is in no way encouraging-it does not encourage deep thought, does not encourage or inspire the soul.  It's like trying to imply that within a rubber band is the meaning of all life and telling people to go ahead and discuss it.  I can do that with anything, but I sure as hell am not going to pay a lot of money for the experience.

Anything less than what we got would have been more than what we have.  A great many people would have been satisfied (I wouldn't) if they had stopped the game when Anderson died.

The ending asked Landon7001 the most important decision of his life.  Oh, for Pete's sake I've heard everything now.  Well, if it did, he gave them the answer.  No more money for Bioware games.  Good idea for a business.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

He or She already does that by submitting to the being who has either created or controls the reapers who have been destroying advanced organic civilizations for thousands or millons of years so once shepard meets the main villian or the creater of the reapers he or she doesn't challange his twisted logic for the reason he causes mass genocide and only gives in to the creator of the reapers and only sees the creator of the reapers choices as shepards only options when this is the being who has used the reapers to destroy most of the galaxy zillions of times over

And in 2 of the 3 endings the reapers live and in all the endings shepards forces are trapt around our dying solar system so in all the endings either the reapers live or they cleanse most of the galaxy of advanced organic life

A sacrifice and a meaningful one only happens if you end up saving the people that you sacrifice your life for but because the main villian the catalyst forces shepard into what options he or she is promitted and gives up to the main villian and have the main villian decide what you should do it is no longer a victory or sacrifice since none of these choices was under shepards own will power and the creator of the reapers forced shepard into its decisions it would like to see appear

We don't win we didn't beat the reapers nor did we really save anybody our fleets are stranded in our damaged solar system  and by the time they run out of supplies unless they can rebuild the relays or find a planet within our solar system that wasn't damaged then they do not have a shot

And any meaningful sacrifice was shot the moment shepard gave in to the main villian and had him decide what he or she does

We didn't beat the reapers they beated us

I can't accept a you lose ending no matter what it is the same garbage That ended up being FF 13-2

[Redbelle]

I can't comment, I'm the guy who switched off his PS2 when the crazy MGS2 AI colonel told me too.

Had a long hard think about what I'd done after that.

I think FF XIII-2 is going to rely on DLC content as well. no idea if SQE will tie it into the ending though.

Modifié par Redbelle, 21 mai 2012 - 08:30 .

[3DandBeyond]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Bubbles wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Bubbles wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

2%

I wasn't talking about the percentage of the rage trolls in the fanbase.....

rofl  thats classic

No rather he was thinking exactly how much of one's brain capacity can be in use and still be considered "thinking".  Fans who hate the ending > 2%.
One person who can't count higher than 5 = 2%.

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

Don't want to spoil things for you but if you haven't already, try that ending after killing Wrex in ME1 and destoying Mordins student 's data in ME2. The sequence then slips together so finely you want go Ahhhhhhhhh.

I actually spoiled that for myself when looking up a paricular scene.  Interesting, but also amazing that such different choices and outcomes are so meaningless to the big picture ending.

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Bubbles wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Bubbles wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

2%

I wasn't talking about the percentage of the rage trolls in the fanbase.....

rofl  thats classic

No rather he was thinking exactly how much of one's brain capacity can be in use and still be considered "thinking".  Fans who hate the ending > 2%.
One person who can't count higher than 5 = 2%.

Oh I can count higher I just dont believe in lying.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 22 mai 2012 - 12:50 .

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

He or She already does that by submitting to the being who has either created or controls the reapers who have been destroying advanced organic civilizations for thousands or millons of years so once shepard meets the main villian or the creater of the reapers he or she doesn't challange his twisted logic for the reason he causes mass genocide and only gives in to the creator of the reapers and only sees the creator of the reapers choices as shepards only options when this is the being who has used the reapers to destroy most of the galaxy zillions of times over

And in 2 of the 3 endings the reapers live and in all the endings shepards forces are trapt around our dying solar system so in all the endings either the reapers live or they cleanse most of the galaxy of advanced organic life

A sacrifice and a meaningful one only happens if you end up saving the people that you sacrifice your life for but because the main villian the catalyst forces shepard into what options he or she is promitted and gives up to the main villian and have the main villian decide what you should do it is no longer a victory or sacrifice since none of these choices was under shepards own will power and the creator of the reapers forced shepard into its decisions it would like to see appear

We don't win we didn't beat the reapers nor did we really save anybody our fleets are stranded in our damaged solar system  and by the time they run out of supplies unless they can rebuild the relays or find a planet within our solar system that wasn't damaged then they do not have a shot

And any meaningful sacrifice was shot the moment shepard gave in to the main villian and had him decide what he or she does

We didn't beat the reapers they beated us

I can't accept a you lose ending no matter what it is the same garbage That ended up being FF 13-2

Well the requiem of the goddess Dlc was the final dlc that was released for 13-2 it was about lightnings final battle with caius after lightning returns to the future once serah and noel supposedly temporarily killed him only for serah to die and for lightning to fight caius and how she became crystal and if you get the secret fragment she ends up waking later on in the future in a dead world all by herself I don't know if any dlc can redeem this since snows and lightnings dlc were ment to be the last ones

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Don't want to spoil things for you but if you haven't already, try that ending after killing Wrex in ME1 and destoying Mordins student 's data in ME2. The sequence then slips together so finely you want go Ahhhhhhhhh.

I actually spoiled that for myself when looking up a paricular scene.  Interesting, but also amazing that such different choices and outcomes are so meaningless to the big picture ending.

I know, but tbh all that matters at that point is getting the Krogan on side. I admit if Mordin survives it would be nice to see him pop up at the end. I don't mean that comm unit either but to have him pop up and do something meaningful to help Shep advance to the conduit.

I mean, Jack/dead jack has her shield/artillery cadets. Mordin can have his sex ed leaflets and Kasumi can sneak around stabbing things. Miranda can look pretty or kill husks ala super mario. Samara pull's banchees inside out through their eye sockets, Grunt eats Ravagers for breakfast....... any of these ppl who didn't die could have been a part of Shep's journey to the conduit.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

He or She already does that by submitting to the being who has either created or controls the reapers who have been destroying advanced organic civilizations for thousands or millons of years so once shepard meets the main villian or the creater of the reapers he or she doesn't challange his twisted logic for the reason he causes mass genocide and only gives in to the creator of the reapers and only sees the creator of the reapers choices as shepards only options when this is the being who has used the reapers to destroy most of the galaxy zillions of times over

And in 2 of the 3 endings the reapers live and in all the endings shepards forces are trapt around our dying solar system so in all the endings either the reapers live or they cleanse most of the galaxy of advanced organic life

A sacrifice and a meaningful one only happens if you end up saving the people that you sacrifice your life for but because the main villian the catalyst forces shepard into what options he or she is promitted and gives up to the main villian and have the main villian decide what you should do it is no longer a victory or sacrifice since none of these choices was under shepards own will power and the creator of the reapers forced shepard into its decisions it would like to see appear

We don't win we didn't beat the reapers nor did we really save anybody our fleets are stranded in our damaged solar system  and by the time they run out of supplies unless they can rebuild the relays or find a planet within our solar system that wasn't damaged then they do not have a shot

And any meaningful sacrifice was shot the moment shepard gave in to the main villian and had him decide what he or she does

We didn't beat the reapers they beated us

I can't accept a you lose ending no matter what it is the same garbage That ended up being FF 13-2

Well the requiem of the goddess Dlc was the final dlc that was released for 13-2 it was about lightnings final battle with caius after lightning returns to the future once serah and noel supposedly temporarily killed him only for serah to die and for lightning to fight caius and how she became crystal and if you get the secret fragment she ends up waking later on in the future in a dead world all by herself I don't know if any dlc can redeem this since snows and lightnings dlc were ment to be the last ones

Still thinking the person and or people who thought complete failure was ok were friends with the square enix guys or they're in both companies

[Redbelle]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

He or She already does that by submitting to the being who has either created or controls the reapers who have been destroying advanced organic civilizations for thousands or millons of years so once shepard meets the main villian or the creater of the reapers he or she doesn't challange his twisted logic for the reason he causes mass genocide and only gives in to the creator of the reapers and only sees the creator of the reapers choices as shepards only options when this is the being who has used the reapers to destroy most of the galaxy zillions of times over

And in 2 of the 3 endings the reapers live and in all the endings shepards forces are trapt around our dying solar system so in all the endings either the reapers live or they cleanse most of the galaxy of advanced organic life

A sacrifice and a meaningful one only happens if you end up saving the people that you sacrifice your life for but because the main villian the catalyst forces shepard into what options he or she is promitted and gives up to the main villian and have the main villian decide what you should do it is no longer a victory or sacrifice since none of these choices was under shepards own will power and the creator of the reapers forced shepard into its decisions it would like to see appear

We don't win we didn't beat the reapers nor did we really save anybody our fleets are stranded in our damaged solar system  and by the time they run out of supplies unless they can rebuild the relays or find a planet within our solar system that wasn't damaged then they do not have a shot

And any meaningful sacrifice was shot the moment shepard gave in to the main villian and had him decide what he or she does

We didn't beat the reapers they beated us

I can't accept a you lose ending no matter what it is the same garbage That ended up being FF 13-2

Well the requiem of the goddess Dlc was the final dlc that was released for 13-2 it was about lightnings final battle with caius after lightning returns to the future once serah and noel supposedly temporarily killed him only for serah to die and for lightning to fight caius and how she became crystal and if you get the secret fragment she ends up waking later on in the future in a dead world all by herself I don't know if any dlc can redeem this since snows and lightnings dlc were ment to be the last ones

Dammit! When will FF get it's act together? It's been ropey since after FFX.

Hopefully the next one based on the real world will do better. I played up to the boss fight and decided I liked the open world map area's better so dropped the boss to beat up not so helpless innocent wildlife..........................I'm such a bad person ; ;

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gee you all think Bioware should put in a option for Shepard to commit selfish suicide of the galaxy?

He or She already does that by submitting to the being who has either created or controls the reapers who have been destroying advanced organic civilizations for thousands or millons of years so once shepard meets the main villian or the creater of the reapers he or she doesn't challange his twisted logic for the reason he causes mass genocide and only gives in to the creator of the reapers and only sees the creator of the reapers choices as shepards only options when this is the being who has used the reapers to destroy most of the galaxy zillions of times over

And in 2 of the 3 endings the reapers live and in all the endings shepards forces are trapt around our dying solar system so in all the endings either the reapers live or they cleanse most of the galaxy of advanced organic life

A sacrifice and a meaningful one only happens if you end up saving the people that you sacrifice your life for but because the main villian the catalyst forces shepard into what options he or she is promitted and gives up to the main villian and have the main villian decide what you should do it is no longer a victory or sacrifice since none of these choices was under shepards own will power and the creator of the reapers forced shepard into its decisions it would like to see appear

We don't win we didn't beat the reapers nor did we really save anybody our fleets are stranded in our damaged solar system  and by the time they run out of supplies unless they can rebuild the relays or find a planet within our solar system that wasn't damaged then they do not have a shot

And any meaningful sacrifice was shot the moment shepard gave in to the main villian and had him decide what he or she does

We didn't beat the reapers they beated us

I can't accept a you lose ending no matter what it is the same garbage That ended up being FF 13-2

Well the requiem of the goddess Dlc was the final dlc that was released for 13-2 it was about lightnings final battle with caius after lightning returns to the future once serah and noel supposedly temporarily killed him only for serah to die and for lightning to fight caius and how she became crystal and if you get the secret fragment she ends up waking later on in the future in a dead world all by herself I don't know if any dlc can redeem this since snows and lightnings dlc were ment to be the last ones

Still thinking the person and or people who thought complete failure was ok were friends with the square enix guys or they're in both companies

Well hopefully if their is a 13-3 hopefully lightning will find a way to restore the timelines and vanqish the chaos of valhalla and perhaps restore her sister or perhaps meet her again in another time but it seems like lightning is the only survivor left after the chaos of valhalla hopefully lightning will be able to restore the earth or maybe become the new Goddess Of Etro

[daveyeisley]

Didn't mean to imply that we should all settle for EC making shepard's sacrifice more heroic.

I meant more that, sacrifice is a valid outcome but should be portrayed more dramatically.

I still contend that there should be more wildly varying outcomes based on previous choices, including a happy, if perhaps imperfect, outcome where the reapers are defeated, the jackass who has been playing god is destroyed (IE. Catalyst), and Shepard survives to settle down with his love interest.

[LiarasShield]

Well if bio Sticks with its artistic intergrity we may never have a victory ending or a ending where we actually get to defeat the reapers and their creator

[Gone Rampant]

Thanks for caring about the fans Chris. I'd like to repeat a statement you must be tired of- until the Catalyst showed up (I have less kind names for it elsewhere on the internet), I loved every minute of ME3. I remember reading somewhere that your team was originally going to resolve the Dark Matter thread at the end of the game, but you were forced to can that idea, which is why I can understand... well, you know... this controversity.

Other then that, Mass Effect 3? Almost certainly going to be my GOTY (Well, I'll get back to you on that after Halo 4 and Assassin's Creed 3...).

Anyways, thanks for a great 5 years of Shepard, FOX, dumb idiots who were destroyed on Amazon, huge amounts of detail in a six-pack, one of the best man-friends in history (Garrus), a million billion fanfictions about Talimancers and Shakarians, and a series that will never fade away.

You're like Angel, except you weren't cancelled.

[Gone Rampant]

By the way, my favorite moment? How about the whole ****ing trilogy?

P.S: Can you please just announce which month the Extended Edition is hopefully going to be coming out?