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[AlienShagger]

Ben20530 wrote...

What happened to my friends?

Well writen. Hate me if you will, but somehow after reading this I have even more respect for the final scenes.

I spent 2 years in a war when I was a kid. Didn't get to re-play anything back then. But even I forget... Having our entertainmet emulate experiences others have on daily basis may bring us a bit closer to appreciating the weight of our decisions.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

no shepard didn't follow character and broke everything giving into the reapers and their creator and the circular wrong logic that their creator presents and forces shepard into making the decisions that the reapers want

And alien your whole point going off this is the indoctrination theory which they have already denied I mean it is already bad enough that they promised 16 different endings and how we wouldn't get a abc ending but that is exactly what we got or how our actions would affect the ending and not everybody would get the same endings but that is what we got we have shepard submitting to the creator of the reapers for 3 different colored suicide explosions that don't really accomplish anything other then your forces being stranded and shepard dying and the reaper god smiling at the end yay Go us

uh no no no no no lol O-o my sanity will not acknowledge such failure espically in video games because the whole sense of trying to beat the game is to indeed beat the game not the game beat you

Most of the series wasn't pure tragedy so why in the last 10 minutes is that so?

[BlueStorm83]

Holger1405 wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...




Still can't think why a suicide with no real victory is appealing to some of you it just makes me question the very sanity of people today U-u

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- I'm quick to say that anyone who LOVED the endings is just a blind fanboy. While I acknowledge that it is possible for a human being to enjoy anything (LOTS of horrible sick fetishes exist) I'd be more willing to believe that people would say things like, "If the Catalyst created not only the Reapers, but all current organic life as well, I'd be willing to trust him and then ending BLANK was satisfying to me." Qualify it. I can accept a victory ending, I can accept a defeat ending. I can't accept an ending that tries to do both, succeeds at neither, and hinges on a character with a POWERFULLY independant and decisionmaking personality just kinda give up.

Ironically, Shepard was Shepherded into three near-identical cluster****s.

These two statements showing an incredible lack of appreciation for other people's opinions.
In addition they are offensive, especially because they are also based on opinions only. Opinions who are neither confirmed nor the absolute truth.

@Holger1405
I'm inclined to agree you here. There's no need to insult others based soley on their opinion. I don't agree with the people that like the ending and have many posts that detail how it is a terribly broken ending, but I do not need to reduce myself to insults to get my point across. Let's keep things repectful people

Agreed.

Lol, I never finished my thought there.  I was going to say that I was quick to say that anyone who loved the endings are blind Fanboys... but that I can understand that sure, it's possible for some to.  Wasn't trying to be insulting there, but I got sidetracked by my own hate for what is undoubtedly an underdeveloped, rushed ending based on a small group's flawed understanding of the whole story and product.

When you beat Final Fantasy 6, you get around 40 minutes of ending.  Half is credits, but they're interspersed with scenes of your many many party members making their way out of the last dungeon and finding their way back to their lives.  Something like that would have been nice here, no matter WHAT happened to Shep.

[sdinc009]

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

[Nordland SE]

Ben20530 wrote...

I will play it again soon, when I have calmed down. But I will get to London, talk to everyone, walk up to Anderson's battle map....and save the game. I could not put myself through the end again, not until the DLC which I already fear to be a lost cause.

I would much rather witness the glorious death of all my squad than simply not know their fates.

I fear the same thing, only new cinematics won't change the two color ending.
The whole end needs to be rewrited and that is not going to happen according to BioWare.

Modifié par Nordland SE, 22 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[LiarasShield]

A true victory ending or a ending where shepard doesn't give into the enemy or for shepards suicide to at least save the people that he or she is trying to make a noble sacrifice for our last hope pretty much is extended to give some decent replay value to me3

[Holger1405]

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm Done trying to be respectful or reason with some of you because you don't have great attention span or you refuse to see what is in your damn face that is shown to you

Fine, then let's talk.

You are making up things about the endings on about every site of this Thread, things simply do not add up. You are claiming to be an "observant person", still you don't understand the simplest coherence in this endings.

I accept your opinion, you hate the ending. That's fine, and you have every right to express that felling.
But I will not accept or respect that you are claiming that only your point of view is true, and that other People who think different are somehow deluded, because they don't follow your viewpoint.

You have a lot to learn about respect and tolerance.        

Furthermore, Bioware already stated that they will not change the ending, so I guess you will not get what you want, despite your screaming outbreak here.   

[Holger1405]

BlueStorm83 wrote...


Lol, I never finished my thought there.  I was going to say that I was quick to say that anyone who loved the endings are blind Fanboys... but that I can understand that sure, it's possible for some to.  Wasn't trying to be insulting there, but I got sidetracked by my own hate for what is undoubtedly an underdeveloped, rushed ending based on a small group's flawed understanding of the whole story and product.

When you beat Final Fantasy 6, you get around 40 minutes of ending.  Half is credits, but they're interspersed with scenes of your many many party members making their way out of the last dungeon and finding their way back to their lives.  Something like that would have been nice here, no matter WHAT happened to Shep.

Ok then, but I still find the "fetish" insertion marginal.

Modifié par Holger1405, 22 mai 2012 - 05:46 .

[Flubberlub]

Whilst it does irritate me that Bioware will not change the ending for their own reasons; whatever they may be, I do believe that they can "fix" the ending, whether it be by adding these new cutscenes, somehow solving all the gaps in the storyline, giving meaning to every decision we made, or even saying right before the extended cut is released: "haha, fooled you, of course we're fixing the ending, and its in the extended cut, and you can get it for FREE".
But I have to say, if they even think about using the indoctrination theory, they will have destroyed another half of their fanbase. But there are ideas out there worth listening to, and speaking on behalf of all of us, I've got to say, we do not mind how long Bioware take.

[daveyeisley]

I think IT is a good thing. I also thing it is a classic case of reaching/grasping/stretching. Still better than what we have, but requires a lot of mental gymnastics to fit.

To adopt a viewpoint that sees this debacle as a positive thing or an accidental triumph goes beyond stretching or grasping or reaching and borders on delusion. Perhaps a sublime delusion, but still favoring willful ignorance of direct evidence.

It doesn't lead anywhere positive for the creator or the audience, and will more than likely result in the dissolution of the group or entity that birthed it. Its a no win, and that is beyond bleak and basically worthless to our hobby, the medium, and the industry.

My opinion, of course. Your mileage probably varies.

[LiarasShield]

Holger1405 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm Done trying to be respectful or reason with some of you because you don't have great attention span or you refuse to see what is in your damn face that is shown to you

Fine, then let's talk.

You are making up things about the endings on about every site of this Thread, things simply do not add up. You are claiming to be an "observant person", still you don't understand the simplest coherence in this endings.

I accept your opinion, you hate the ending. That's fine, and you have every right to express that felling.
But I will not accept or respect that you are claiming that only your point of view is true, and that other People who think different are somehow deluded, because they don't follow your viewpoint.

You have a lot to learn about respect and tolerance.        

Furthermore, Bioware already stated that they will not change the ending, so I guess you will not get what you want, despite your screaming outbreak here.   

Actually since this thread is also about listening to what was probably wrong with ending and that they're supposedly listening to the issues of the ending since you seem to think they're fine then you my dear one are posting in the wrong thread and two

Again ultimate defeat is your cup of tea dear it isn;t mine

[LiarasShield]

If you love the ending that post in a thread that is about people who love the ending instead of making such posts here when this thread is about the issues we have with the ending and the game besides what are favorite part in the story is if you love the ending my dear then you're in the wrong thread sweet heart

[LiarasShield]

Again since you seem infintile about how the catalyst is the one who created the reapers who has allowed all this destruction to continue for endless ages and then for shepard to unite the galaxy to defeat the reapers and their maker only to submit to the reaper collective and only accept the reapers choices as the ones that are right and who everything falls apart with the reapers wuning in most cases

Shepard didn't go out like a hero he or she went out like a suicide victim where the main villian wins and decides what he or she should do like I keep saying in 2 out of the endings the reapers live and in all endings that do not include extended yet all the races are trapt in the sol system and left with a gian't cliff hanger you have nothing to offer more then per assumption happynay sayings things at least

Alien idea of indoctrination sounds a tad bit cooler since shepard doesn't give into the reaper controller and it being a dream as distasteful as that would be and feel like an asspull at least it would be better then what we have

You love the ending you know majority of us do not heck even check the polls if you need to truely understand since it doesn't matter what decent input alot of other players will say you like thanatos will believe this is a perfect ending despite becoming a zombie and submitting to the creator of the reapers and having him essentially doom our forces and or lets his creatures the reapers live

You're posting in the wrong thread about loving the ending and to me you come off as trolling so eh I guess I'm really done with you since to me you're like a ant attacking the sun with mere assumptions and happy go lucky things that I wish would've happend

This wasn't a sacrifice it was the death of the human spirit and shepard giving into the enemy that has been destroying once again beyond pure speculation you have nothing to fight me with so stop wasteing my time with silly posts that really don't back up your opinon because the events that have occured at least make some logical train of thoughts of how i'm portraying how these events are most likely going to go until which I hope

The exended will truely give us a decent victory ending and maybe a chance to say no to the catalyst

Modifié par LiarasShield, 22 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[LiarasShield]

Trust me the polls explains that there are much more wider audience that hate endings because of the things I brought up then your 2 or 5% who loved the endings for god whatever reason may be

[Voodoo2015]

Holger1405 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm Done trying to be respectful or reason with some of you because you don't have great attention span or you refuse to see what is in your damn face that is shown to you

Fine, then let's talk.

You are making up things about the endings on about every site of this Thread, things simply do not add up. You are claiming to be an "observant person", still you don't understand the simplest coherence in this endings.

I accept your opinion, you hate the ending. That's fine, and you have every right to express that felling.
But I will not accept or respect that you are claiming that only your point of view is true, and that other People who think different are somehow deluded, because they don't follow your viewpoint.

You have a lot to learn about respect and tolerance.        

Furthermore, Bioware already stated that they will not change the ending, so I guess you will not get what you want, despite your screaming outbreak here.   

Apparently you like the ending of ME3 it's ok. I'm not Judging U, just wondering.

What is your opinion about what makes the ending so good.

For me, the ending din't make any sense to many plot holes.

I did not understand why BW / EA made ​​a game where several hundreds of hours of enjoyment.
Where no explanation is needed, totally godlike game a recurring theme throughout the series.
And then make an end with different twists, where the majority of fans do not understand.

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

AlienShagger, you're bringing in a LOT of outside sources and reasons why the ending was brilliant.  You're hinging it all on indoctrination, and comparing that to the war in Iraq and other things.  Indoctrination has been a background plot point throughout the series- if they wanted it to be major, they could have had an entire game set on the Citadel with the nervous, claustrophobic feeling that any and all of your friends, allies, anyone you pass on the street could be an indoctrinated sleeper agent.  Battlestar Galactica did that VERY well with the sleeper Cylons throughout the series.  Mass Effect has been about War, to be sure, but Iraq?  That's kinda reaching.

Furthermore, I'd like to point something out that we've all kinda forgotten.  This is a GAME.  People play games to WIN games.  Maybe Mass Effect is more complex than Cribbage or Monopoly or Othello, but it has the same basic structure, that after it begins, you try to beat the competition and win.  Also, all these comparisons to worldwide events is a current events thing, and while hard hitting now, the meaning would eventually fade.  The best stories are timeless.  Which is what ME was before such a divisive finale.

This is the major point often forgotten by those that want to ascribe esoteric meaning ot the ending. Games are about fun, and they can be about social commentary along the way.  They can be thoughty and introspective experiences.  They can be challenging.  They can be dark and disturbing.  But, they damn well better not stray from their core vision in the last 5 minutes of the game, add a new character as the major character of the game-more of a major character than the main protagonist/hero of the game as in the case of ME3, where the kid embodies not just one enemy, but untold numbers of enemies.  If you buy the idea that the kid becomes the antagonist then you should buy the idea that instead of Shepard, they should have sent in a circus clown named Foo Foo.

What happened isn't that ME3 tried to continue some major plotline of the player and/or Shepard being indoctrinated.  The only headaches I got occurred at the end of the game when I began bashing my head against the wall asking why the hell I gathered all the fricking war assets, let Mordin die, Thane die, Legion die, told EDI about love and that humans did more along the way then just reproduce, that life meant more than just existing-so EDI changed her fricking programming to aspire to love, altruism, and other great things.  And my headache got worse as I slapped myself for actually thinking any of this mattered-all that reaper tag, the concern for my friends, resisting temptation so I stayed faithful to my LI.  Heck, I kept twisting myself in knots wondering why I hadn't just let TIM live and do whatever the hell he wanted. 

What we wanted was a winnable game.  Winning isn't everything, but it often is the most fun thing about gaming.  A great game would have featured a way to die nobly and show what that meant afterward and a way to survive victoriously and show what that meant afterward.  This game especially.  Because in this game, I've never played as a renegade-made very few renegade moves.  I never have to if I don't want to.  And the endings could have reflected that.  People that wanted sacrifice in victory should have been able to achieve it and never have to have any other kind of ending if they didn't want it.  Same for someone that thinks the reapers should succeed-they want dark, then by all means give that to them.  And for those who want something that warms their heart in a different, less sad way, then a happy victorious Shepard survives ending.  But, for god's sake we basically really wanted a real ending.  As it is the ending leaves you hanging off the edge of a cliff. 

I do see that IT makes some sense of the non-ending we already have, but it fails in that it doesn't change what is there, and it doesn't provide a true ending.  A great many of us thinks that much of what is wrong with the ending starts in London when Shepard gets hit by the beam.  A lot of people think that's where indoctrination takes hold.  But for me personally to believe in IT, then I am still left with the god awful kid and his stupid comments and 3 choices.  It changes how you can perceive them, but doesn't change that they are there.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 22 mai 2012 - 07:09 .

[Voodoo-j]

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

It's a scifi action/adventure.

[Voodoo-j]

I like to sum things up.. the obvious post.

No matter if anyone liked/disliked, can or can't make sense of the ending.

The end result is, the ending is not what was expected, was not what was advertised, does not have the multiple different ending to make multiple replays of the game have different outcomes varying by the choices made in all 3 games.

Ending fails to deliver
PERIOD

[BlueStorm83]

Holger1405 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...


Lol, I never finished my thought there.  I was going to say that I was quick to say that anyone who loved the endings are blind Fanboys... but that I can understand that sure, it's possible for some to.  Wasn't trying to be insulting there, but I got sidetracked by my own hate for what is undoubtedly an underdeveloped, rushed ending based on a small group's flawed understanding of the whole story and product.

When you beat Final Fantasy 6, you get around 40 minutes of ending.  Half is credits, but they're interspersed with scenes of your many many party members making their way out of the last dungeon and finding their way back to their lives.  Something like that would have been nice here, no matter WHAT happened to Shep.

Ok then, but I still find the "fetish" insertion marginal.

I'm just saying that if there are dudes who like to be beaten, "soiled" upon, called worthless etc. etc. then compared to THOSE, this ending is (to me at least) like being given some Prime Rib and a thousand dollars.  It's WAY WAY better than some horiffic things that some people also seem to like.

[Benchpress610]

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

As it stands now I would consider it a tragedy as it ends in bleak note. However there are differences: Our hero is literally our hero. We shape him/her to our taste. The weaknesses and/or mistakes affecting Shakespeare’s heroes do not contribute to Shepard’s fall. No matter what we do, how virtuous or rash we make him to be, he inevitably will fall.
 
The other and most important difference is that, unlike Mass Effect, in Shakespeare’s tragedies after the agony of the hero’s death there is almost always and uplifting and satisfying sense that the world is better of. Life goes on. Example: in “Romeo and Juliet”, because the pain of losing their children, the Montesco and Capulet families reconcile, in “Macbeth” the death of the hero (as see him as a villain) ends a dark tyranny.  
 
Then again…Mac Walters is NOT William Shackespeare.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

Again since you seem infintile about how the catalyst is the one who created the reapers who has allowed all this destruction to continue for endless ages and then for shepard to unite the galaxy to defeat the reapers and their maker only to submit to the reaper collective and only accept the reapers choices as the ones that are right and who everything falls apart with the reapers wuning in most cases

Shepard didn't go out like a hero he or she went out like a suicide victim where the main villian wins and decides what he or she should do like I keep saying in 2 out of the endings the reapers live and in all endings that do not include extended yet all the races are trapt in the sol system and left with a gian't cliff hanger you have nothing to offer more then per assumption happynay sayings things at least

Alien idea of indoctrination sounds a tad bit cooler since shepard doesn't give into the reaper controller and it being a dream as distasteful as that would be and feel like an asspull at least it would be better then what we have

You love the ending you know majority of us do not heck even check the polls if you need to truely understand since it doesn't matter what decent input alot of other players will say you like thanatos will believe this is a perfect ending despite becoming a zombie and submitting to the creator of the reapers and having him essentially doom our forces and or lets his creatures the reapers live

You're posting in the wrong thread about loving the ending and to me you come off as trolling so eh I guess I'm really done with you since to me you're like a ant attacking the sun with mere assumptions and happy go lucky things that I wish would've happend

This wasn't a sacrifice it was the death of the human spirit and shepard giving into the enemy that has been destroying once again beyond pure speculation you have nothing to fight me with so stop wasteing my time with silly posts that really don't back up your opinon because the events that have occured at least make some logical train of thoughts of how i'm portraying how these events are most likely going to go until which I hope

The exended will truely give us a decent victory ending and maybe a chance to say no to the catalyst

See I agree with you 3dand and voodo because we don't get anything other then failure and yet some how people think that it is ok for us to lose or in series about choices and decisions that their shouldn't at least be a possiable chance to have a victory ending or a ending where we don't submit to the reapers but fight them to the very end and then depending on how high or low your ems is determines wether it ends well or ends bad but the relays don't get destroyed or damaged so nobody gets trapt if shepard forces win

[BlueStorm83]

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

The fun thing about Mass Effect is that whether it's Comedy or Tragedy is up entirely to the player.  You can get to the end of Mass Effect 3 with nearly no friends at all, pick any of the 3 endings, and view it all as a defeat... or you can get to the end having saved almost everyone, pick any of the 3 endings, and view it all as a defeat.  Wait, I mean, view it as a victory.  Sorry, force of habit there.

I don't know HOW to view it as a victory, but I accept that some people can.

Just not me.

Or 92% of the other people who took that poll.

[LiarasShield]

yeah if 92% percent of fans obviously can't see giving up to the catalyst or following the choices that the creator of the reapers tell them to do with eithers the reapers living or our fleets get stranded in our sol system with no way home and possiably small rescources

Then yeah obviously The 92% of fans maybe have point

[Holger1405]

Flubberlub wrote...

Whilst it does irritate me that Bioware will not change the ending for their own reasons; whatever they may be, I do believe that they can "fix" the ending, whether it be by adding these new cutscenes, somehow solving all the gaps in the storyline, giving meaning to every decision we made,

I agree, they still have every chance to do that. 

Flubberlub wrote...
or even saying right before the extended cut is released: "haha, fooled you, of course we're fixing the ending, and its in the extended cut, and you can get it for FREE".

imho they can't do that, it would cost Bioware all credibility because...

Flubberlub wrote...
But I have to say, if they even think about using the indoctrination theory, they will have destroyed another half of their fanbase.

of this.

Modifié par Holger1405, 22 mai 2012 - 10:42 .