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[Holger1405]

LiarasShield wrote...

If you love the ending that post in a thread that is about people who love the ending instead of making such posts here when this thread is about the issues we have with the ending and the game besides what are favorite part in the story is if you love the ending my dear then you're in the wrong thread sweet heart

The "dear" and "sweet heart" part proofs my point about respect.
For the rest, I already told you that I'm not going anywhere. Like it or not.

Modifié par Holger1405, 22 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[3DandBeyond]

It's a no win game, exactly what everyone plays a game for. You know, you play cards to not win. You play sports to not win. No one ever wants to win. They just want to have fun along the way, and at the end of an emotional challenge they want some little kid to come spit in their face. And they want that kid to tell them that while they may have kicked and carried that ball all the way down the field and fought off tackles and survived mostly intact the outcome of the game will be decided by which button you push. It's great that the kid doesn't care about all that crap that came before because that just complicates things.

All that matters is making a choice. It doesn't even matter that the choice doesn't give you any satisfactory conclusion and features no total win. It's because, lucky you, the outcome of the game wasn't about how many touchdowns you made, it wasn't about how many times you were knocked on your assets and got back up again, bruised and beaten. No, what mattered was you got a choice at the end and the end didn't have to make sense. After all that punishment, why the heck would you care who wins or whether there should be some clear cut victory or loss at all. Didn't you have lots of fun playing it?

You ran that football down the field because at the end you were hoping for just a partial victory. No, wait you wanted to be smacked down in utter defeat. No, that's not right. You wanted the outcome of the football game to be some satirical comment on the gestalt and existentialism of some see through being in the form of your team mascot. That's why people play games.

[LiarasShield]

well trolls will be trolls *shrugs*

Modifié par LiarasShield, 22 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[LiarasShield]

well I have 92% of fans on my side and you have 5% percent on your side which side do you think has more decent reasons or valid reasons for why they either hate or love the ending I'm pretty sure that 92% percent does again like thanatos you troll and troll because you either enjoy fighting with other fans that or you argue just to argue

You don't win and we don't beat the reapers we submit to their creator and give into either letting the reapers live or for our forces to be trapt in space

Trolling is overated so again this your final post of acknowledgement

[Holger1405]

Voodoo2015 wrote...


Apparently you like the ending of ME3 it's ok. I'm not Judging U, just wondering.

What is your opinion about what makes the ending so good.

For me, the ending din't make any sense to many plot holes.

I did not understand why BW / EA made ​​a game where several hundreds of hours of enjoyment.
Where no explanation is needed, totally godlike game a recurring theme throughout the series.
And then make an end with different twists, where the majority of fans do not understand.

Go 30 pages back in this Thread, it's all there.

[LiarasShield]

and yes 3dand you couldn't be more spot on and it just makes me feel like facepalming so hard

[Voodoo-j]

For those that *like* the ending, you don't want to *like* multiple different endings that was supposed to be?

You play a game were you can try many flavors of ice cream, but even though there are many different toppings, you are TOLD what topping you can have, and only that topping.

Really... you like that?

[LiarasShield]

but the funny thing is is that some of us would actually pay for ending where we don't give up or we do actually win bio would have the potential of getting so much more money if they did add a victory ending would I be mad at them for charging for it yes but many fans would adventually get over because they finall got a victory ending and we wouldn't have to give into the catalyst

[LiarasShield]

so yes even though alot players would be mad I'd still wouldn't mind pitching in 10 or 20 dollars or even more for us to actually have a chance at beating the reaper forces and not giving into their creator

[Voodoo-j]

This isn't about opinion anymore, it's about what it was said to be, and that it's not.

It did not end as it was said to be.

[sdinc009]

Voodoo-j wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

It's a scifi action/adventure.

Obviously, the GENRE is Sci-Fi Space Opera, but is the story constructed to be a comedy or a tragedy? A story always tends to fall into one of these 2 constructs (which are explained in the link above) and which one is observable with how the story unfolds and concludes.

[Voodoo-j]

I'd be happy to pay someone else that creates an ending we can copy to into the game.

Yeah thats kinda raw..  I'd Rather Bioware fixed it.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 22 mai 2012 - 07:56 .

[sdinc009]

Benchpress610 wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

As it stands now I would consider it a tragedy as it ends in bleak note. However there are differences: Our hero is literally our hero. We shape him/her to our taste. The weaknesses and/or mistakes affecting Shakespeare’s heroes do not contribute to Shepard’s fall. No matter what we do, how virtuous or rash we make him to be, he inevitably will fall.
 
The other and most important difference is that, unlike Mass Effect, in Shakespeare’s tragedies after the agony of the hero’s death there is almost always and uplifting and satisfying sense that the world is better of. Life goes on. Example: in “Romeo and Juliet”, because the pain of losing their children, the Montesco and Capulet families reconcile, in “Macbeth” the death of the hero (as see him as a villain) ends a dark tyranny.  
 
Then again…Mac Walters is NOT William Shackespeare.

As the ending stands now it is a tragedy, but that's why I wanted to omit the ending and look at everything else. For example, consider that (depending on how you chose Shepard's backstory) the Earthborn origin has Shepard starting out as a nobody that becaomes what he/she is through driven and determination. That is the framework for a comedy. Also, the endings of both ME 1 and 2 (for the most part depending on choice) fall in line with celebratory and victorious accomplishment, which again falls in line with a comedy. Perhaps this is truely why the ending to ME 3 seems so out of place. Because in a series that for the most part has fallen in line with a comedy, fo no reason has flipped to a different story structure. Also, a tradegic hero dies in the end due to some critical flaw, but what is Shepards critical flaw that results in his/her demise? The tragic death of the hero does not seem to be due to any fault of the hero, but just totaly random.

[sdinc009]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

The fun thing about Mass Effect is that whether it's Comedy or Tragedy is up entirely to the player.  You can get to the end of Mass Effect 3 with nearly no friends at all, pick any of the 3 endings, and view it all as a defeat... or you can get to the end having saved almost everyone, pick any of the 3 endings, and view it all as a defeat.  Wait, I mean, view it as a victory.  Sorry, force of habit there.

I don't know HOW to view it as a victory, but I accept that some people can.

Just not me.

Or 92% of the other people who took that poll.

Ok, so there's an obvious disconnect there. Thanks for pointing this out. So in ME1 and ME 2 it was the players choice whether the game turned out to be a Comedy or a Tradegy. But in ME 3 that choice is removed and everyone's ending is always a Tradegy. That's disconnecting from the whole series framework, which would explain the "WTF" feeling most get at the end because the story no longer obeys the structure that was established for the entire series.

[LiarasShield]

The endings weren't the endings they promised and we got the ab c ending that we weren't suppose to not get they lied in actual interviews and if everybody didn't think that submitting to the reaper creator or giving into the catalyst flawed circular logic and then having the catalysts decide what your choices were or how a Giant cliff hanger is all your forces being trapt in our Solar system

If Everybody thoguth this was ok their wouldn't be 92% percent in polls saying they hate the ending

Their wouldn't be a giant organization that had thousand of mass effect players in the retake mass effect organization and donate 70 thousand dollars to charity if everybody loved the ending if the majority of fans loved the ending and loved the giant cliff hanger of our fleets being stranded in space

Their wouldn't be a extended cut that will try to make sense out of the plot holes or the senselessness that we have or add onto the giant cliff hanger of everybody trapt in our solar system if everybody thought the ending was ok

So Bioware knows they've messed up but won't publicly admit it or acknowledge it

[sdinc009]

[Ben20530]

In 846 pages its important not to lose sight of the fundamentals. For me these are;

1) We all want more. More endings, more content, more detail.
2) We all want our ending old or new. Our Shep, our LI, our choices.
3) We are not all, and maybe only a few, going to get what they want.

The mere fact that there are thousands of posts in this topic and others shows what a giant of a universe this was, what a compelling journey it was. One where you can take whatever you want from it and leave the rest. It is a triumph and a gaming milestone.

For me, my Shepard isn't done yet. I hope I see him again. I hope all your Shepards get their endings.

[Voodoo-j]

That's the important thing, I don't have one Shepard, I have many, I want the endings that were said to be specific to them.

[Holger1405]

BlueStorm83 wrote...



I'm just saying that if there are dudes who like to be beaten, "soiled" upon, called worthless etc. etc. then compared to THOSE, this ending is (to me at least) like being given some Prime Rib and a thousand dollars.  It's WAY WAY better than some horiffic things that some people also seem to like.

Rofl, Ok, in this coherency...

And I apologies for prejudging you.

Modifié par Holger1405, 22 mai 2012 - 09:00 .

[BlueStorm83]

Holger1405 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...



I'm just saying that if there are dudes who like to be beaten, "soiled" upon, called worthless etc. etc. then compared to THOSE, this ending is (to me at least) like being given some Prime Rib and a thousand dollars.  It's WAY WAY better than some horiffic things that some people also seem to like.

Rofl, Ok, in this coherency...

And I apologies for prejudging you.

All good, bro.  I'm usually succinct and express myself well.  Whenever I get, we'll say "Energized" I tend to omit details verbally (or textually) that are in my mind.

[Ben20530]

I want my ending too, but the cynic in me is telling me I'm not going to get it. And as I said earlier today, if I have to I'll settle for knowing how the story ends for all the characters.

But man, I want my ending...

[Holger1405]

sdinc009 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

It's a scifi action/adventure.

Obviously, the GENRE is Sci-Fi Space Opera, but is the story constructed to be a comedy or a tragedy? A story always tends to fall into one of these 2 constructs (which are explained in the link above) and which one is observable with how the story unfolds and concludes.

Imho we can debate on ME1 & 2 about this matter, but 3 is clearly a tragedy.


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Modifié par Holger1405, 22 mai 2012 - 09:13 .

[BlueStorm83]

---  I've been thinking, and no matter what happens (as some have touched on already) BioWare kinda boned themselves with this.

If this was all part of a marketing scheme (if the Indoc Theory is true) they pissed off people who are against cutting important plot points and putting them into DLC AND people who found closure and satisfaction in the current finale.

If this is their true overriding artistic vision for the Mass Effect universe, they pissed off all the people who got used to victory against all odds (Read, 99% of the typical Video Gamer.) as well as people who loved the way that they could see the story be shaped in whatever way they played to.

If the ending was rushed and truncated by EA's business practices, then they pissed off everyone who wanted more variety in the endings, everyone who enjoyed the current endings but wanted more clarity, everyone who enjoyed the universe's overall extreme level of polish, and everyone who was just plain enjoying the ride and then found that it was over.

Or if the ending really IS as complex and layered as they say it is, and we all don't understand, then BioWare has pissed off everyone who, until now, felt smart and who probably really IS smart (Playing Mass Effect through the first 2 games makes you twice as smart as most people I know) but who now feel stupid and confused.

BioWare needs to whip out a real-life Deus Ex Machina, go back in time, and delay the game's release another 8 months to make it as incredible in EVERY way as they wanted it to be. 

---  Oh, and (SIDE GRIPE!) to give us a fight where we're there not only with 2 squadmates, but with every surviving ally we have.  I mean EVERYONE.  Kaiden (or Ashley) Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Liara, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Zaeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Samara, James, Edi, Joker in an ATLAS, Kolyat, Primarch Victus, Anderson, Hackett, any of the soldiers we walked past and overheard on the Citadel, OTHER SPECTERS (For being such a powerful force, we see far too little of them,) Bailey, Aria T'loak, Liara's "dad," a fistful of Geth and Rachni, Kenn (the traumatized Quarrian from the first ME2 mission,) the quarrian voiced by Claudia Black (Admiral Xen, was her name?) and anyone else I can't remember.  That would have been badass.  just a big effing battle royale against a few hundred reaper ground forces.  Would be cool to even have it where if someone bites it in that fight, based ENTIRELY on performance, they're dead dead, not just knocked out until you use first aid.

Siiiiiiiiiiigh.

[sdinc009]

Holger1405 wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

sdinc009 wrote...

I would like to open a discussion to address something that has been on my mind so please feel free to comment and add your own insight. Disregarding the ending of ME3, is the Mass Effect series a comedy or a tragedy? Here's a link that compares the 2 story structures if anyone needs background info:

http://writinghood.c...edy-vs-tragedy/

Figuring out which type of story Mass Effect is may help pin point the way it should truely end. Read thoroughly and really think about it.

It's a scifi action/adventure.

Obviously, the GENRE is Sci-Fi Space Opera, but is the story constructed to be a comedy or a tragedy? A story always tends to fall into one of these 2 constructs (which are explained in the link above) and which one is observable with how the story unfolds and concludes.

Imho we can debate on ME1 & 2 about this matter, but 3 is clearly a tragedy.


Edit Typo
 

Obviously given the ending, but if we omit the way ME 3 ends, is the story logically a tragic story or comedic story? What critical flaw causes the demise of Shepard? Is there one or is the story telling about characters growing on a personal level and becoming better as a result of the events of the story? Throughout the game are you not improving the relations of not only your squad but also galacticx relations ie. Turians and Krogan, Krogan and Salarian, Geth and Quarian. And doesn't Shepard learn and grow as a result of his relations with your squad. Doesn't this tend to lean towards a comedic and uplifting celebratory conclusion?