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[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Use to be you didnt throw fits after a certain age.

Used to be you showed basic respect for other people and if you had nothing nice to say, then silence was preferable.  Anyone of a certain age was taught that as a child.

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Use to be you didnt throw fits after a certain age.

Used to be you showed basic respect for other people and if you had nothing nice to say, then silence was preferable.  Anyone of a certain age was taught that as a child.

I am sorry I was taught to give the respect you were given.

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Use to be you didnt throw fits after a certain age.

Used to be you showed basic respect for other people and if you had nothing nice to say, then silence was preferable.  Anyone of a certain age was taught that as a child.

I am sorry I was taught to give the respect you were given.

^ 2% of the time   I seen your first posts in this thread, your not fooling anyone.

[Iakus]

LiarasShield wrote...

In the end we didn't retake earth back because msot of earth is destroyed or burned down besides london and even during most of london looks almost completely annhilated so we really didn't take earth back and since the catalyst controls the reapers from the very begining and since shepards gives into the catalyst wether because of bleeding out or not let alone


The false promises in the interviews instead getting 16 different drastic endings where our choices would affect the ending we get 3 color different explosions that trap our forces and has 90% percent of the same animation minus the color doesn't feel like different endings just seems like looking at the color of the rainbow

Heck we didn't even take back the rubble, the Catalyst gave it back.

On his own, multicolored terms.

[3DandBeyond]

What I think my conclusion here is that there are some people that have no problem trusting and respecting some demigod child image that has been turning people into goo.

So, I'm thinking they actually would have no concerns if in real life that guy with a gun, that's been killing their friends and family might be lying if he said he's doing it to help.

And I guess none of them have had children that they've given the "stranger and bad people" talk to. You know the one that used to just be, "don't talk to strangers, don't take candy from strangers, you can't trust them". And I'm sure if as an adult some unknown person walked up to them on the street and gave them a cookie, they'd just eat it because they'd trust them. So, it makes perfect sense that the guy that wants to turn them into human goo is a nice guy and would never actually lie to them.

I can see it now, Shepard has kids. The reapers are still on the way. Shepard tells his/her kid, "don't take candy from strangers, but if that glow boy shows up, he's ok in my book." It all makes sense now.


And I'd really like to know where these people live because if they think Bioware should just sell what they like to sell, I have some stuff I'd like to sell, too. It doesn't matter if you want to buy it or not, you should. Because I want to sell it. That's the important part.

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Use to be you didnt throw fits after a certain age.

Used to be you showed basic respect for other people and if you had nothing nice to say, then silence was preferable.  Anyone of a certain age was taught that as a child.

I am sorry I was taught to give the respect you were given.

Hmm, still running on empty I see.  Uh, I guess you don't understand the concept, bubbles.  Someone has to give respect first (and it means being just plain decent and not saying bubbles-like things, bubblesisms).

In order for 2 people to have a decent discussion, both must be somewhat decent to each other, a foreign concept in bubblesland.


You've come on here and repeatedly slung insults at people in what you seem to think are humorous, sad little one liners.  Yes, I'd call that earning respect.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 23 mai 2012 - 08:59 .

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Use to be you didnt throw fits after a certain age.

Used to be you showed basic respect for other people and if you had nothing nice to say, then silence was preferable.  Anyone of a certain age was taught that as a child.

I am sorry I was taught to give the respect you were given.

Hmm, still running on empty I see.  Uh, I guess you don't understand the concept, bubbles.  Someone has to give respect first (and it means being just plain decent and not saying bubbles-like things, bubblesisms).

In order for 2 people to have a decent discussion, both must be somewhat decent to each other, a foreign concept in bubblesland.

I can't see how this line of conversation came about, it doesn't seem to be in response to anything specific or aimed to counter/validate someone else's POV.

[Voodoo-j]

Its a bubblesism!

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

What I think my conclusion here is that there are some people that have no problem trusting and respecting some demigod child image that has been turning people into goo.

So, I'm thinking they actually would have no concerns if in real life that guy with a gun, that's been killing their friends and family might be lying if he said he's doing it to help.

And I guess none of them have had children that they've given the "stranger and bad people" talk to. You know the one that used to just be, "don't talk to strangers, don't take candy from strangers, you can't trust them". And I'm sure if as an adult some unknown person walked up to them on the street and gave them a cookie, they'd just eat it because they'd trust them. So, it makes perfect sense that the guy that wants to turn them into human goo is a nice guy and would never actually lie to them.

I can see it now, Shepard has kids. The reapers are still on the way. Shepard tells his/her kid, "don't take candy from strangers, but if that glow boy shows up, he's ok in my book." It all makes sense now.


And I'd really like to know where these people live because if they think Bioware should just sell what they like to sell, I have some stuff I'd like to sell, too. It doesn't matter if you want to buy it or not, you should. Because I want to sell it. That's the important part.

Do you think BW will fix up the gun mechanics in the ending? I was able to swallow much of the ending on the first playthrough up to the point where he essentially said, 'synthetics will always destroy organics', but after uniting the Geth and Quarians and hearing about how they had begun a symbiotic relationship that would shave decades off of rebuilding their homeworld my suspension of disbelief collapsed in on itself and things I'd let slide like infinite ammo became a pressing question with no answer.

I didn't see an infinite ammo bandanna like Solid Snakes......... How'd Shep do it?

ECDLC, I'm counting on more than clarity, got a few oversights to fix too.

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

I can't see how this line of conversation came about, it doesn't seem to be in response to anything specific or aimed to counter/validate someone else's POV.

I couldn't tell what the initial comment was in regard ot myself.  I don't see any rage thing that it pointed to.  I just think now that he comes on here to insert one line comments in his idea of fun.  Or maybe it was just some general comment trying to insinuate that all people are doing is raging.  Something that isn't mostly true.  There's some raging sure, but I don't think a person stops complaining because they reach a certain age.  And he equates complaining (having valid complaints) is raging, whining, demanding, and so on.  His thesaurus is broken.

[AlienShagger]

Redbelle wrote...


Do you think BW will fix up the gun mechanics in the ending? I was able to swallow much of the ending on the first playthrough up to the point where he essentially said, 'synthetics will always destroy organics', but after uniting the Geth and Quarians and hearing about how they had begun a symbiotic relationship that would shave decades off of rebuilding their homeworld my suspension of disbelief collapsed in on itself and things I'd let slide like infinite ammo became a pressing question with no answer.

I didn't see an infinite ammo bandanna like Solid Snakes......... How'd Shep do it?

ECDLC, I'm counting on more than clarity, got a few oversights to fix too.

All guns in the game have infinite ammo, they just have cooling issues. Those are heat sink clips you put in them. Shepard is just a super-cool guy at the end, so his gun doesn't need further cooling.

OOOooor he is passed the **** out and in his dream he could be carrying a badger as a weapon.

Modifié par AlienShagger, 23 mai 2012 - 09:26 .

[daveyeisley]

About IT-

I am afraid the EC will be rushed, unfortunately, because so many folks are 'holding the wallet' until they see some progress, so releasing new products in the face of the fanbase's resistance may or may not work out financially.

I would be curious to see, honestly. It would provide commentary either on how much of the fanbase is really holding the wallet, or at least how comitted or lacking comittment those who have asserted they will hold the wallet are. It would be a strong argument for or against the financial effectiveness of the retake movement.

I understand and agree with folks who would be upset that the game was released without an ending...

However, I feel that as long as the DLC that gives an IT ending is free, it is still a better situation than what we have and still better than the EC with merely context, clarity, and closure.

Some folks would be left out and that would indeed be a travesty, but it would still be fixable. Hard copy CDs could be ordered directly with the DLC content needed, though this would almost assuredly come with a price tag equal to the material cost and shipping cost (and if you dont have internet, at least you dont have to pay for internet in addition to the CD in this case).

IT would also need to be handled right to avoid creating new plot holes other than the ones that IT would allow them to fix. I wouldn't care if they need a year to do it right. Just please, get it right.

It ties into the lore so well, and makes more sense to me that Shepard, while maybe very resistant, is not totally immune, and the reapers last ditch attempt to defeat Shepard's will involves them going to greater lengths than have ever been heard of (ie. a subconscious 'invasion' of his psyche that presents him with the choices they want, but also allows for a choice for him to escape just so that he might actually accept the scenario rather than reject it instinctively).

All that aside, yes, I think IT done right could be a great solution to the controversy, but like any other solution (including doing nothing, or releasing an EC that doesn't address fan's concerns) it will have drawbacks.

I think IT done right would have drawbacks that could be better mitigated than other solutions (with the exception of perhaps retconning the glow boy and rewriting the ending, which I seriously doubt they have ever considered let alone been willing to do... /deep sigh).

As for doing It 'right'.... I' hardly sure where to really begin with that. There was opportunity, certainly. The dreams of the boy could be seen as foreshadowing (and fit quite nicely).

So many things fit with it, and I know the 'point' of it would be for the IT dream sequences to be somewhat difficult to distinguish from reality... but I still sort of feel the 'dream sequences' would still need to be more clearly differentiated from shepard's regular perception.... probably just me, though.

The dialogue with the Catalyst, and how he supposedly 'flip-flops' the paragon/renegade color coding, trying to paint Shepard's goal (destroy) as against organic life's best interest and control/synthesis as the better options for everyone, it makes sense, but still, to me it is unclear. Shepard doesn't act in a suspicious manner at all.

I would need to see Shepard really questioning why Destroy is bad and will kill the Geth and EDI (and shepard). I would need to see the catalyst equivocating a little more to sew more concrete doubt about his statements, maybe even to the point of showing irritation/anger at being questioned (sort of like how in the worst possible EMS ending, he is quite obviously irritated with Shepard).

Something more to hint that there is an unspoken reason the Catalyst doesn't want Shepard to choose destroy. If this is done, then it becomes far easier to digest IT, and the final choice having only 1 'right' answer.

After making the choice to reject the attempt, it would be very cool to see a sequence of cinematic recaps of all the 'clues' and quotes that add up to Shepard's unconscious realization and rejection of the attempt.

Mind you, this is not with the idea of Shepard already having been indoctrinated. It would need to be clear that he was never indoctrinated, and that the dream sequence was nothing more than a last ditch attempt which relied solely on Shepard choosing to accept the reapers' control by choosing what the reapers wanted him to choose.

"If we destroy the reapers, this all ends today. What if you can't control them?"

He already knows the dangers of allowing them to retain their existence.

How cool would it be to have Shepard' be the only recorded case ever of single-handedly defeating indoctrination?

After 'waking up' I wouldn't need additional gameplay... but I would like to see cinematics showing my allies and war assets coming directly into play, and if I have enough EMS to beat the reapers, I would want to see epilogues for each surviving crewmate both new and old (and especially some treatment of Shep and LI).

[Ralph The Wonder Llama]

In the end...

The game failed to satisify its customers. Sales will drop. Can BioWare and EA repair this damage... We shall see.

[Redbelle]

AlienShagger wrote...

Redbelle wrote...


Do you think BW will fix up the gun mechanics in the ending? I was able to swallow much of the ending on the first playthrough up to the point where he essentially said, 'synthetics will always destroy organics', but after uniting the Geth and Quarians and hearing about how they had begun a symbiotic relationship that would shave decades off of rebuilding their homeworld my suspension of disbelief collapsed in on itself and things I'd let slide like infinite ammo became a pressing question with no answer.

I didn't see an infinite ammo bandanna like Solid Snakes......... How'd Shep do it?

ECDLC, I'm counting on more than clarity, got a few oversights to fix too.

All guns in the game have infinite ammo, they just have cooling issues. Those are heat sink clips you put in them. Shepard is just a super-cool guy at the end, so his gun doesn't need further cooling.

OOOooor he is passed the **** out and in his dream he could be carrying a badger as a weapon.

Grud, Now I'm thinking of Red Factions unicorn gun. All I could think as Rainbow beams shot out was what is Cole using as the trigger? That Unicorn looks waaaaaaaay too happy!

[AlienShagger]

karmattack wrote...

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

In the end...

The game failed to satisify its customers. Sales will drop. Can BioWare and EA repair this damage... We shall see.

Already happening. The game's now priced at under $40 at many major retailers including Amazon and Best Buy. They know they f'd up. We'll see how DLC turns this around. It's their only shot.

Yea... I loved the ending, but it certainly jacked the replayability for me. I mean, It's not like I'm going to try the other two options.

I may go ME1-2-3 just to do a Renagade and **** Ashley. Dirty little ****

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Use to be you didnt throw fits after a certain age.

Used to be you showed basic respect for other people and if you had nothing nice to say, then silence was preferable.  Anyone of a certain age was taught that as a child.

I am sorry I was taught to give the respect you were given.

^ 2% of the time   I seen your first posts in this thread, your not fooling anyone.

And what does it say? That I think everyone sounded like a whiney kid????Thats a opinion not being rude.

[Archonsg]

karmattack wrote...

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

In the end...

The game failed to satisify its customers. Sales will drop. Can BioWare and EA repair this damage... We shall see.

Already happening. The game's now priced at under $40 at many major retailers including Amazon and Best Buy. They know they f'd up. We'll see how DLC turns this around. It's their only shot.

They (Bioware) forgot to ask themselves, what would make a fanbase wet themselves and buy more DLCs (throw in a DLC expansion at $29.90 - $49.90 to "update" ME1 to ME3 combat / graphics even), depressing nihilistic irrational ending (singular) that gives no reason whatsoever to the player to replay ME1, 2 and 3, or ....multiple endings as advertised (yes, happy, blue babies, house on Rannoch, wrestle with krogan babies named after Shepard endings too) running the full gamut of "oh crap we REALLY fracked up, to "They came, they wrecked but we conquered! Boooyaahhh!" Endings. 

Seriously, Bioware, you really had to choose the depressing option?
I mean, really? 
Just by giving ME3 a "win" option would have opened up a whole avenue of revenue, that I can't believe you really thought going "goth artsy" would wow your customers.

[Redbelle]

karmattack wrote...

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

In the end...

The game failed to satisify its customers. Sales will drop. Can BioWare and EA repair this damage... We shall see.

Already happening. The game's now priced at under $40 at many major retailers including Amazon and Best Buy. They know they f'd up. We'll see how DLC turns this around. It's their only shot.

If BW stay true to form they will support DLC for a year since the launch date so the EC DLC may just be a band aid. But the possibility of additional content that expands, for example, on that last gasp of Shep is still a possibility. If this is the case then from a marketing perspective it would be a mistake to announce their intent now. Fans would want it this year instead of next year.

But that's speculative. It's wait and see I'm afraid.

[Redbelle]

AlienShagger wrote...

karmattack wrote...

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

In the end...

The game failed to satisify its customers. Sales will drop. Can BioWare and EA repair this damage... We shall see.

Already happening. The game's now priced at under $40 at many major retailers including Amazon and Best Buy. They know they f'd up. We'll see how DLC turns this around. It's their only shot.

Yea... I loved the ending, but it certainly jacked the replayability for me. I mean, It's not like I'm going to try the other two options.

I may go ME1-2-3 just to do a Renagade and **** Ashley. Dirty little ****

Replaying a second time and having just saved Ash from Udina......... or me.......... or both. I'm reminded of something I noticed in my first playthough. Ash has very little conversation wheel dialogue when she comes on board the Normandy. I'm saving Rannoch atm and I haven't had a decent coversations with her yet, and there is so much to say. From supporting her sister to how she felt about Shep joining Cerberus etc etc.

I've got a ME1 game going where I'm going to save Kaiden. I'll see then if this extends to his characer too. (boy that's going to be a long haul). Oh and this Shep is a sniper. Come Garrus's bottle shooting challenge no way I'm missing on purpose this time...Mwahaha!

[AlienShagger]

If they are coming out with a DLC, I want them to take all the time they need and do it properly. The final scenes are good as they are; if they **** them up with global synthesis cumshots and what not, I may have to declare them mentally incompetent and take legal custody of ME series.

[3DandBeyond]

AlienShagger wrote...

karmattack wrote...

Ralph The Wonder Llama wrote...

In the end...

The game failed to satisify its customers. Sales will drop. Can BioWare and EA repair this damage... We shall see.

Already happening. The game's now priced at under $40 at many major retailers including Amazon and Best Buy. They know they f'd up. We'll see how DLC turns this around. It's their only shot.

Yea... I loved the ending, but it certainly jacked the replayability for me. I mean, It's not like I'm going to try the other two options.

I may go ME1-2-3 just to do a Renagade and **** Ashley. Dirty little ****

That's the real point here.  One marketing exec said that the reason they could change things was because no one could remember what happened 8 years ago (it's been 5 and people replayed the games when they first came out and then replayed them again preparing for ME3).  When you have people like that that are trying to sell things, then you get what you get and it isn't going to be good.

The other thing is most people really just wanted to love the game and love it until, well you know what....

I had many Shepard's in the works that would have changed somewhat how I did things-one is horribly ugly that I had no problem seeing as a completely despotic character who surely would choose control.  But, for what?  The ending isn't vastly different from the others and it makes replaying the games rather less than fun.

Right now, I've said I am replaying the series because I want to be informed as much as I can be if I say something here and I couldn't play them as a series before because they were on 2 different platforms.

I actually appreciate how much fun they are to play and finding new things, but I can't shake the ending.  If I weren't trying to get everything I possibly can (messed up on Conrad Verner and didn't find him in ME2) in order to see all that happens, I'd just think it was a chore working for a demoralizing goal. 

This is a main problem since they also have always clearly said when you finish a game or all games you will want to go back and play again as a different Shepard.  Well, no, not so much.  I'd gladly do so for a great ending but not for this.

[3DandBeyond]

AlienShagger wrote...

If they are coming out with a DLC, I want them to take all the time they need and do it properly. The final scenes are good as they are; if they **** them up with global synthesis cumshots and what not, I may have to declare them mentally incompetent and take legal custody of ME series.

No, you won't.  You don't have to download the DLC.  Like the game you have, go enjoy it.  You have what you want.  I really do not see the point of people complaining (not you, but some complain that we complain) about content that hasn't  been released when they like what they have now.

[Holger1405]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

I could back up the current ending and make it work, with additional info to fill in the blanks, but again that's not really the issue.

It's not the ending Bioware said it would be.
I know I sound like a broken record, but at the end of the day, THIS is what the issue really is.

For you it is, but I bet that a lot of Players wouldn't care about it if they get a full-blown Happy End. Other Players would be fine if the catalyst are gone. Yet others would be OK if "destruction" didn't included the Geth.
See I personally don't think that Bioware made a lot of false promises.
The endings are very different if you think about all the possible outcomes. (depending on your EMS score and the choice you made after the Catalyst scene)

However, I agree that Bioware did a bad job in making this differences clear. 

They have always backed the idea of playing the game and having a different experience, different ending.  I can play different ways have a different experience, but yet I have the same ending, the choice of 3 colors.

True, but the outcomes of this choices is vastly different.
I already said that Bioware did made a bad job in making this differences clear, but think about it.

Destruction = Reapers gone, Shepard dead/alive (if your EMS score is high enough) Squad + LI alive/dead (depending on your EMS score.) Earth Saved/devastated/destroyed (EMS again)

Control = Reapers still alive, but under Shepard's control. (So basically you can decide what to do with them.) Shepard's Body is dead but his consciousness survived.  Squad + LI alive. Earth Saved/devastated.

Synthesis =  Reapers still alive. Shepard is dead. Squad + LI alive but synthesized (whatever that means) Earth Saved.

That's are imho big differences and that's are only absolute differences, now we could start to debate the philosophical differences or differences with regards to content between Destruction, Control and Synthesis.

It is true that some Bioware employs shouldn't stated what they did. (how do you create a ending that is unique for everyone if you have approximately 5 million Players? That is imho impossible in the first place.) But I don't think that their statements are downright lies.

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...


They (Bioware) forgot to ask themselves, what would make a fanbase wet themselves and buy more DLCs (throw in a DLC expansion at $29.90 - $49.90 to "update" ME1 to ME3 combat / graphics even), depressing nihilistic irrational ending (singular) that gives no reason whatsoever to the player to replay ME1, 2 and 3, or ....multiple endings as advertised (yes, happy, blue babies, house on Rannoch, wrestle with krogan babies named after Shepard endings too) running the full gamut of "oh crap we REALLY fracked up, to "They came, they wrecked but we conquered! Boooyaahhh!" Endings. 

Seriously, Bioware, you really had to choose the depressing option?
I mean, really? 
Just by giving ME3 a "win" option would have opened up a whole avenue of revenue, that I can't believe you really thought going "goth artsy" would wow your customers.

Too busy doing higher math where 5=8.