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[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

To be fair I am only speaking my mind about a few of you....In order
to to remain honest you are one of them. Mostly cause of you obstinate
way you like to ignore all that proves you are inaccurate and how you
like to try and flame those who try to show it......Not much for hypocrisy....And unlike Voodoo I actually know the definition of the
word.

You are saying that I do exactly what you do.  You don't discuss a subject, you deny proof.  It is you who ignores things not I.  I don't flame you, have never flamed you.  On the contrary, you have called me childish, whiny, demanding, raging, ignorant, obstinate, and the list goes on.  I called you Bubbles.  I defy you to tell me that is worse than what you have called me constantly.

You have never tried to have a civil discussion and have only tried to enflame things.  I've moderated forums before.  I know a what that means and you would be banned from most other forums.  You add nothing to the discussion.  You poke fun at people and then claim it was all harmless.  I could call someone an idiot (as you have done) and there's no two ways about it, that is an insult.  It's not just opinion. 

You lied just as Bioware did.  You said you had moved on, but you keep inserting your disgusting little childish comments into discussions others are having.  You are one sad puppy.

I did move on. You mean I cant come back and have a opinion????? How
very fascist of you. Now Yes I do just do as you do ......If you dont
like ti maybe you should think about what you post before you post it.  I
am not here to be a salve on your feelings I am here to discuss things
and if I offend some well that isn't my problem cause mostly I try not
to. I say mostly cause sometimes I like to fire shots back at people
like yourself.

Bioware didn't lie. You assumed things and were proven wrong. That is not Biowares fault it is yours.

See I like this conversation. It is honest.

[darkway1]

The big difference between you Thanatos144 and 3DandBeyond is that if 3D disagrees with someone's point of view she will give a full explanation to justify her thinking......you on the other hand don't,you just seem to find fault with what people say.

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I did move on. You mean I cant come back and have a opinion????? How
very fascist of you. Now Yes I do just do as you do ......If you dont
like ti maybe you should think about what you post before you post it.  I
am not here to be a salve on your feelings I am here to discuss things
and if I offend some well that isn't my problem cause mostly I try not
to. I say mostly cause sometimes I like to fire shots back at people
like yourself.

Bioware didn't lie. You assumed things and were proven wrong. That is not Biowares fault it is yours.

See I like this conversation. It is honest.

You just don't get basic concepts.  This isn't a conversation or discussion.  You wouldn't know honesty if it bit you in the arm.  You constantly fire shots at people.  That is a mature way to discuss things.  You can keep saying Bioware never lied.  They said a lot of things that you choose to ignore about what the game would be and the game was not what they said it would be.  That's a lie at worst or a broken promise at best.

Never said you couldn't post anything.  You've told us we shouldn't.  That we should move on.  Anyone with half a brain knows that when someone says they are moving on, it means they are leaving for good.  I didn't say you had to, you have told us to.  You also told us you have.  You have chosen not to.  You think I'm raging.  Nope. You again are imposing your own emotions upon me.  Where you are concerned I feel nothing.  I'm laughing at the person in the room who keeps making a fool of himself.  I don't insult you.  I don't have to.  You do a good job of it yourself. 

Sad.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 mai 2012 - 03:59 .

[daveyeisley]

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am discussing things......It isn't injustice I see per say that I am
trying to correct it is misrepresentations. I am not a protester heck I
am just a guy who doesn't worry about speaking my mind. The truth is what it
is. I have been proven wrong once or twice here....But I didn't throw a
fit and call people names when it was shown. Nope I admitted to being
wrong and moved on. I like discussing things I also believe any who try
to silence others views must know they are wrong about something.

Ok. You feel you are discussing things.

So we can both agree that in a discussion, it is ok for people to agree, and it is also ok for people to disagree.

Right?

Now, before, you said you were expressing your views.

I believe that expressing one's views is very different from discussing things. Simply because, expressing one's views does not mean you are willing to explain or discuss them.

Do you agree?

So this leads me to believe that expressing one's views is a one-shot deal. You do it, then its over and done with.

If you stick around to explain, and exchange ideas, then you are discussing.

Now, I am interested to know what you believe the goal of a discussion is.

Why should people put their time and effort into discussing something, regardless of whether they agree or disagree?

[LiarasShield]

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

You want to know what noble sacrifice is I'll show you





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A01XGczHIk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyK5r41t1CI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq-0SaMxqk


This is what noble sacrifice really is giving your entire being to save the people you love and care about or giving them hope so that they can carry on and have future to change or protect what has came before and to craft a brighter future[/quote]


Ultimately heroes should go out like heroes a sacrfice should save the the person or people that your sacrificng your life for and with all the cliff hanger our forces trapt in sol will they be able to make the relays in time we just don't know without assumptions will the reapers if they live eventually turn on us again and commit mass genocide on us all over again most likely can't see really why they wouldn't go back to their old ways but yes cliff hanger all forces trapt around sol system all relays blown up nobody is going home no indictation of anything showing otherwise right now in all endings it feels like the enemy forces shepard to die which ultimately doesn't save us but saves the reapers I can't be ok with this the 90% of fans who disliked the reasons for exactly this reason
or the lies or the plotholes they find thousand or millions of fans wouldn't be upset without valid decent reasons nor would they make giant organizations and give 70 thousand dollars to charity either if they weren't decent people

And I'm passionate fan who has loved this series for a long time so of course people like me and 3dand, voodo and daveyiesly will keep coming back because were passionate about the series and just can't see how it is ok for stuff to go this way[/quote]


If thanatos really can't have a decent discussion or random insult us from time to time it really is about time to report him because he does keep randoming insulting us and being a hypocrit of which he has called other despite him doing the word tossing alot of the times

[BlueStorm83]

Guys, Shhhh. Fighting is pointless.

--- Here's why they can't build the relays as fast as the Crucible: The Protheans were actively studying the Mass Relays, as stated by Vigil. There is no evidence that the current Council has any such research. The Crucible was laid out as blueprints. It was easy to build because the Protheans designed the plans to be read by anyone: Liara stated as much. Mass Relays are Quantum Locked, that's why they're nearly impervious. Even if the Quantum Lock expired when they were destroyed, now they're (worst case) rubble or (best case) damaged beyond repair. Smash an old Rotary Phone, then rebuild it without any plans. That's the difference in the current level of technology between Council Races and the Reapers, at the height of their existence, when they built the Relays. Even assuming that the current council races are half as intelligent as the Protheans were, even assuming that the Council had a secret Mass Relay research project, and even assuming that they survived the Reapings, it would take at least a few months to just BUILD a relay (it took months to build the Catalyst, though in real time it took us just between 40 and 50 hours, Hackett provides a timeline in a conversation.) That's if they had explicit plans. Assuming that they'll need to examine a dead relay and reverse engineer, I'd predict (my own estimate, nothing more) at the very least two years to get it right. ALSO you'd need the MATERIALS for it. And since they don't have the relay system to move materials with, like they did with the Crucible... Yeah.

At best, it's a long way off. At worst, it'll only get done after MASSIVE deaths due to bad conditions after the war.

Modifié par BlueStorm83, 24 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[BlueStorm83]

Oh, and also, a relay only works as a pair. One to throw, one to catch. So you'd still need to fly the new relays into position via conventional FTL drives. So tack on 2 to 3 years for delivery, because I heard that somewhere and I don't want to research right now, I have to go to work.

[3DandBeyond]

The problem is here that for many the bar keeps moving. At first the ending "began" at the moment Shepard got hit by the bean and then at the star kid point, with the 3 choices and that was said to have a lot of holes in it, plot wise and all. Then, people pointed out the circular logic didn't make sense and others said that maybe it made sense to the star kid. Then, people pointed out that didn't matter, it should be what Shepard believed and people said that Shepard didn't have a choice and had to make a decision no matter what. And people said Shepard could or should have at least protested, but doesn't say anything and people think that just makes sense, somehow.

Then, people point what is wrong with the endings, but someone says well the Shepard they play could have made a choice and that it matters what a different Shepard might do. And then someone says but I played a different type and mine wouldn't do that. And the other person says that it doesn't matter because theirs would and that's all that matters.

Then, people say the kid wasn't the enemy, the reapers were and should be and someone says the kid helps to explain things, but it's pointed out he doesn't make much sense. And the other person says that that doesn't matter. He doesn't have to.

Then, people say the endings are very much alike, down to the cutscenes, other than the colors used, and someone says well they are really very different, even though they do look a lot alike. But that doesn't matter anyway. I can imagine what it all means.

Then, people say there's no satisfying sad or happy ending and someone says that satisfying and happy should be that one scene of a breathing bunch of rubble and ash with dogtags on it. It is supposed to give one all the information they need to imagine what happens next. But, it doesn't matter, because who wants some stupid, girlish happy mushy ending anyway.

Then someone says, "I do. Most people want both good and bad choices with context." And someone says, you have all the context you need. But what's wrong with you anyway, don't you have an imagination? Stupidhead.

Then, someone says they bought a full game expecting the type of endings that were promised and that means someone said that the ending would be such and such and then it wasn't which constitutes a failed promise. And another person says no one promised anyone anything.

Then someone cites proof of said promises. And the other person insists no one promised anything.

Then someone says please read the proof. And the other person insists no one promised anything.

Then someone else offers more proof, and says please read more proof. And the other person in true robot form, insists there were no promises, but...

this other person then says the devs actually delivered on their promises (the ones they never made) because the whole ME3 game is the ending. Genius!! The ending is no longer the ending, it is the end of the ending. Brilliant. Can't or won't agree with real proof and then have to agree with it, so change the meaning of what it's talking about.

It's like knowing that where you live it's warm and sunny, but telling someone it's raining. They say it is warm and sunny, but you insist it's raining. Finally, when they point outside and show you it's warm and sunny, you say it is raining-it's raining in Sri Lanka. Change your story to fit the proof.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 mai 2012 - 04:21 .

[darkway1]

I personally see no need what so ever to report Thanatos144....ironically the guy just keeps fuelling the thread,reminding us constantly why we are here in the first place.

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

I personally see no need what so ever to report Thanatos144....ironically the guy just keeps fuelling the thread,reminding us constantly why we are here in the first place.

Exactly.  He's like the team mascot.  He keeps the fans going and actually does reinforce exactly the opposite of what he seems to be trying to do.

Ironic and hypocritical in one neat package.  What's not to love.  We love bubbles.

[darkway1]

Thank you Thanatos144...we love you...and keep up the good work.

[Voodoo-j]

And comic relief!

[LiarasShield]

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

You want to know what noble sacrifice is I'll show you





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A01XGczHIk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyK5r41t1CI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq-0SaMxqk


This is what noble sacrifice really is giving your entire being to save the people you love and care about or giving them hope so that they can carry on and have future to change or protect what has came before and to craft a brighter future[/quote]


Ultimately heroes should go out like heroes a sacrfice should save the the person or people that your sacrificng your life for and with all the cliff hanger our forces trapt in sol will they be able to make the relays in time we just don't know without assumptions will the reapers if they live eventually turn on us again and commit mass genocide on us all over again most likely can't see really why they wouldn't go back to their old ways but yes cliff hanger all forces trapt around sol system all relays blown up nobody is going home no indictation of anything showing otherwise right now in all endings it feels like the enemy forces shepard to die which ultimately doesn't save us but saves the reapers I can't be ok with this the 90% of fans who disliked the reasons for exactly this reason
or the lies or the plotholes they find thousand or millions of fans wouldn't be upset without valid decent reasons nor would they make giant organizations and give 70 thousand dollars to charity either if they weren't decent people

And I'm passionate fan who has loved this series for a long time so of course people like me and 3dand, voodo and daveyiesly will keep coming back because were passionate about the series and just can't see how it is ok for stuff to go this way[/quote]


Well honestly thanatos is wasteing his time in trying to stop us from expressing ourselves since we do have freedom of speech lol

[3DandBeyond]

The problem is no amount of actual evidence fits the narrow scope of the information the ending gives us (which is minimal at best) and so can't fit some people's perceptions of what it all means.

On the one hand, we aren't allowed to say this and that occurred in the game so it is some sort of evidence if not proof as to what would and should happen.  But others create full backstory from nothing that is in the game or even commentary about it and say that's proof.  You can't have a real discussion when those are the rules.

And if you use polysyllabic words, you are accused of being uneducated.  I don't think such words means one's smarter, but it doesn't indicate lack of education.  Go figure.  Again, trying to have real conversation with such individuals is like one hand clapping.

In order to believe the ending you have to play it as if no game came before.  It can't make sense in the context of the games we've played.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 mai 2012 - 05:38 .

[Archonsg]

AlienShagger wrote...

Slow the **** down with all the self-sacrifice death wish stuff. Shy are people so hooked on meaningful suicide anyway?

Not I! I want my blue babies, I want to see Tear's of joy on Tali's unhelmeted face when I present her that little house in that valley she had her eys on, I want to be there as Garrus is called into service as the new Primearch, I want to wrestle with Krogan kids named "Shepard", most of all, I want Shepard, to have a life, with his or her love interest.

It is the least Shepard deserves.
And if you don't understand why, I feel sorry for you, to not be able to see and have hope in that capacity.
 

[demonuswolfus]

Well since it's been made very obvious the ending is not going to change, at the very least provide us with somehting that at least resembles a final boss for Shepard. I know this isn't the end of Mass Effect, but Shepard needs a more memorable ending, not one thats going to go down in history as being known to have upset a heck of a lot of people. trust me I ahve a lot of things i'd list here that need fixing in my opinion, but again it's falling on deaf ears because form the beginnign of the announcments for ME3, it was promised multiple [talking 16+] endings that took together your ME1 and ME2 choices and tossed them in with your ME3 choices to make a unique ending, that never occured.

[BearlyHere]

Archonsg wrote...

AlienShagger wrote...

Slow the **** down with all the self-sacrifice death wish stuff. Shy are people so hooked on meaningful suicide anyway?

Not I! I want my blue babies, I want to see Tear's of joy on Tali's unhelmeted face when I present her that little house in that valley she had her eys on, I want to be there as Garrus is called into service as the new Primearch, I want to wrestle with Krogan kids named "Shepard", most of all, I want Shepard, to have a life, with his or her love interest.

It is the least Shepard deserves.
And if you don't understand why, I feel sorry for you, to not be able to see and have hope in that capacity.
 

Exactly! For writers who quote The Princess Bride so much, they seem to miss the part about Wesley and Buttercup living happily after after.  Instead we get to watch a horrific scene Shepard being burned away so they can have a "bittersweet" ending where they get the sweet, and we get all the bitter.

It's like someone offering to share a double whip frappemocha with you, and you watch as they make this fabulous drink, and then pour out the dregs from the pot into a second cup and say, "Here's yours. Enjoy!" And there's a chocolate covered roach added for sweetness. That's their artistic vision.

[Ben20530]

Archonsg wrote...

AlienShagger wrote...

Slow the **** down with all the self-sacrifice death wish stuff. Shy are people so hooked on meaningful suicide anyway?

Not I! I want my blue babies, I want to see Tear's of joy on Tali's unhelmeted face when I present her that little house in that valley she had her eys on, I want to be there as Garrus is called into service as the new Primearch, I want to wrestle with Krogan kids named "Shepard", most of all, I want Shepard, to have a life, with his or her love interest.

It is the least Shepard deserves.
And if you don't understand why, I feel sorry for you, to not be able to see and have hope in that capacity.
 

I think there's plenty who want a death defying escape for Shep, but these forums seem to stomp on or ignore anything triumphant.

I only just got Ash back for Gods sake! I recognise the story telling value in death endings, but a bit of cheer and triumph in entertainment goes a long way!

[ElMuchu]

Ben20530 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

AlienShagger wrote...

Slow the **** down with all the self-sacrifice death wish stuff. Shy are people so hooked on meaningful suicide anyway?

Not I! I want my blue babies, I want to see Tear's of joy on Tali's unhelmeted face when I present her that little house in that valley she had her eys on, I want to be there as Garrus is called into service as the new Primearch, I want to wrestle with Krogan kids named "Shepard", most of all, I want Shepard, to have a life, with his or her love interest.

It is the least Shepard deserves.
And if you don't understand why, I feel sorry for you, to not be able to see and have hope in that capacity.
 

I think there's plenty who want a death defying escape for Shep, but these forums seem to stomp on or ignore anything triumphant.

I only just got Ash back for Gods sake! I recognise the story telling value in death endings, but a bit of cheer and triumph in entertainment goes a long way!

I fully agree and I would add that this is a video game: my job gives me enough stress and sadness, I do not need a video game to do the same. I was expected the end to be epic with at least a bit of light and hope for Shepard. My characters (like many of you I have several shep: 10 in my case) deserve it and I think so I am.

[Redbelle]

Dragon Age had a much more developed ending than ME3 did. Your past choices either led to your death or life, controlled who the king or queen of the country would be, decided if Morrigan left early or fought till the end, gace you the chance to elope with that saucy minx <cough> I mean that virtuous chantry thief Leilianna.......

I get that Mass Effect has always been more Hollywood in its story telling. But some divergence from the on the rails endings would have been nice. I know some ppl will say there are 16 endings, I've seen them. Aside from the light colours you'd need a microscope to spot the difference.......ook that's an exageration but the point stands that BW made a great end game of DA compared to ME3.

Hoping the end of year DLC for ME3 expands on the ending cause Shep's last gasp at the end of destroy is, strictly speaking, uneccessary unless they have something planned in the works.

[Siansonea]

"Yes we are listening".

860 page thread.

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Math?

[Redbelle]

ElMuchu wrote...

Ben20530 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

AlienShagger wrote...

Slow the **** down with all the self-sacrifice death wish stuff. Shy are people so hooked on meaningful suicide anyway?

Not I! I want my blue babies, I want to see Tear's of joy on Tali's unhelmeted face when I present her that little house in that valley she had her eys on, I want to be there as Garrus is called into service as the new Primearch, I want to wrestle with Krogan kids named "Shepard", most of all, I want Shepard, to have a life, with his or her love interest.

It is the least Shepard deserves.
And if you don't understand why, I feel sorry for you, to not be able to see and have hope in that capacity.
 

I think there's plenty who want a death defying escape for Shep, but these forums seem to stomp on or ignore anything triumphant.

I only just got Ash back for Gods sake! I recognise the story telling value in death endings, but a bit of cheer and triumph in entertainment goes a long way!

I fully agree and I would add that this is a video game: my job gives me enough stress and sadness, I do not need a video game to do the same. I was expected the end to be epic with at least a bit of light and hope for Shepard. My characters (like many of you I have several shep: 10 in my case) deserve it and I think so I am.

I've got a FemShep backup who has pretty much destroyed any and all things around her. The galaxy should be singing the Reapers praises if they ever take her out.

[LiarasShield]

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

You want to know what noble sacrifice is I'll show you





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A01XGczHIk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyK5r41t1CI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq-0SaMxqk


This is what noble sacrifice really is giving your entire being to save the people you love and care about or giving them hope so that they can carry on and have future to change or protect what has came before and to craft a brighter future[/quote]


Ultimately heroes should go out like heroes a sacrfice should save the the person or people that your sacrificng your life for and with all the cliff hanger our forces trapt in sol will they be able to make the relays in time we just don't know without assumptions will the reapers if they live eventually turn on us again and commit mass genocide on us all over again most likely can't see really why they wouldn't go back to their old ways but yes cliff hanger all forces trapt around sol system all relays blown up nobody is going home no indictation of anything showing otherwise right now in all endings it feels like the enemy forces shepard to die which ultimately doesn't save us but saves the reapers I can't be ok with this the 90% of fans who disliked the reasons for exactly this reason
or the lies or the plotholes they find thousand or millions of fans wouldn't be upset without valid decent reasons nor would they make giant organizations and give 70 thousand dollars to charity either if they weren't decent people

And I'm passionate fan who has loved this series for a long time so of course people like me and 3dand, voodo and daveyiesly will keep coming back because were passionate about the series and just can't see how it is ok for stuff to go this way[/quote]


Simply thanatos I quote my on posts so that I don't have to keep saying the same things to you or repeat my self a thousand different times to newcomers who may come to this thread