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[Holger1405]

Ksandor wrote...

Brainwashed, whitewashed, hired pro or just mainstream? Whatever... I am SO glad you liked the ending. Unfortunately the majority did not like it. The game did not sell well, company reputation is down from heroic to disliked and only that matters because... gimme casshhhhh! Now, please go and post 10.000 more positive posts. I am sure the hired pros will earn their money. Thanks.

You have every right to hate the endings. But be sure that there are People out there who like the endings, with the exact same rights as you have to hate them.   

Ksandor wrote...
The game did not sell well....

Maybe you wish it wouldn't sell well, because you don't like it, but as a matter of fact, it did sell well.
Google the numbers if you don't believe me.

Modifié par Holger1405, 25 mai 2012 - 10:13 .

[cyrslash1974]

Yes, the game did sell well. Impact of the desappointed ME3 players could have a consequence on the selling of the next games developped by Bioware, but ME3 is a commercial success.

[antony1197]

"We are listening" HAHA seriously thats comedy right there.

[Archonsg]

The short and dirty of it is that, speaking for myself, having read the statements and press releases from Bioware, and based on that knowledge do understand that everything on this thread could very well be pointless.

I mean, look at the evidence, this thread and the other stickied one that suggest that they might listen to suggestions both have one common theme. Both were created by Bioware and then, summarily ignored by Bioware.

I mean, I was here since day one, and the common theme of postings were not that they were looking for clarification, not just for closure, but mainly for alternative endings and or endings that did not involve a circular logic spouting entity that was introduced 10 minutes before the game's ending credits.

The IT spin came about because people could not believe, did not want to believe that this ending was truly what was intended to end the series with (IT is flawed, even true, as it leaves the end incomplete) and rather prefer to believe that it's better to have a gaming company intentionally scammed us at worst, or played a tasteless joke at best.

All this time, Bioware, who in the past was renowned to be one of the few to actually engage with discussions with their core fans remained silent.

Then, they released that EC DLC statement.
I knew then, in my heart that the Bioware I knew for the past 20 years or so, is gone. Still I hang on to hope, and hope is why I am still posting here.

I hope that someone in Bioware actually do read all this, that that person still has the capacity to feel empathy towards this once respected company's customers and see that we are not a bunch of whiners, that we really do have valid issues with the game and that more than the casual customer, actually want Bioware to succeed.

I am posting this in full knowledge that it will probably be ignored and lost in the crush of postings to come. I am just saddened that what Bioware has done is essentially turned a loyal fan to an untrsting critic. Where, once, I would not have given a second thought in purchasing a Bioware product, I now shun and will not buy anything, more so if it's part of a series, till a significant amount of time had passed to make sure that I am getting a product i was told I'd be getting.


I want to believe the EC DLC will fix things, but as someone better then I mentioned pages past, no matter how much you try to fix a house set on poor foundation, that house will still sink. And thus so too is my feelings for the EC DLC, its meant to fix a severely flawed ending that Bioware refuses to change. Can't fix something if you don't addressing the flaws.

Modifié par Archonsg, 25 mai 2012 - 12:40 .

[AlienShagger]

Archonsg wrote...

The short and dirty of it is that, speaking for myself, having read the statements and press releases from Bioware, and based on the knowledge do understand that everything on this thread could very well be pointless.

There is no circumstance under which this thread is pointless. There is no gathering of people and exchange of ideas that is pointless.

Archonsg wrote...
I mean, look at the evidence, this thread and the other stickied one that suggest that they might listen to suggestions both have one common theme. Both were created by Bioware and then, summarily ignored by Bioware?

People here are in many threads in BioWare and non-BioWare sites; there are things BioWare cannot ignore and that would be the results of discussions here.

Archonsg wrote...
I mean, i was here since day one, and the common theme of postings were not that they were looking for clarification, not just for closure, but mainly for alternative endings and or endings that did not involve a circular logic spouting entity that was introduced 10 minutes before the game's ending credits.

People look for many things, but mainly for the ME3 ending to make sense. You can have a debate about it and that's why we're here.

Archonsg wrote...
The IT spin came about because people could not believe, did not want to believe that this ending was truly what was intended to end the series with (IT is flawed, even true as it leaves the end incomplete) and rather prefer to believe that it's better to have a gaming company intentionally scammed us at worst, or played a tasteless joke at best.

We'll see about what they intended or not. That doesn't change that the creative process in the online community is amazing and produces new strategies every day.

Archonsg wrote...
All this time, Bioware, who in the past was renowned to be one of the few to actually engage with discussions with their core fans remained silent.

We're not asking for their permission here. They can claim what they want, millions of people will react to their actions.

Archonsg wrote...
Then, the released that EC DLC statement.
I knew then, in my heart that the Bioware I knew for the past 20 years or so, is gone. Still I hang on to hope, and hope is why I am still posting here.

No no, you came to one of the places where people easily may discuss actual protest action against BioWare. I think that is more than hope.

Archonsg wrote...
I hope that someone in Bioware actually do read all this, that that person still has the capacity to feel empathy towards this once respected company's customers and see that we are not a bunch of whiners, that we really do have valid issues with the game and that more than the casual customer, actually want Bioware to succeed.

They will if they have to in order to keep their bottom line. Look, I am actually fine about the ME3 final scenes, but if you want them changed, I think you should talk to people about what effective action can be taken by the community, instead of hoping and begging. This doesn't go for BioWare alone, but for any problem we have in the country.

Archonsg wrote...
I am posting this in full knowledge that it will probably be ignored and lost in the crush of postings to come. I am just saddened that what Bioware has done is essentially turned a loyal fan to an untrsting critic. Where, once, I would not have given a second thought in purchasing a Bioware product, I now shun and will not buy anything, more so if it's part of a series, till a significant amount of time had passed to make sure that I am getting a product i was told I'd be getting.

I didn't ignore it.If you don't buy their stuff, that's fair enough, but you may find that more effective if you organize and do it with a bigger group of people. Maybe there are groups out there that already do that or other activity that would push BioWare in the direction you'd want.

Archonsg wrote...
I want to believe the EC DLC will fix things, but as someone better then I mentioned pages past, no matter how much you try to fix a house set on poor foundation, that house will still sink. And thus so too is my feelings for the EC DLC, its meant to fix a severely flawed ending that Bioware refuses to change. Can't fix something if you don't addressing the flaws.

Well, they did make a series that really kicked ass according to you, right? I mean, you are totally invested in it, they must have done something right. Maybe see if we can get more oppenings on the issue and hear what their angle is, then decide what our demands are and how to enforce them in an organized manner?

[Voodoo-j]

When the first pay for DLC flops like a fish, perhaps then it will be too late.

[Voodoo-j]

Next week I'm going to run through on Insanity just to get the achievement, then it's getting shelved.

[sdinc009]

Holger1405 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

Brainwashed, whitewashed, hired pro or just mainstream? Whatever... I am SO glad you liked the ending. Unfortunately the majority did not like it. The game did not sell well, company reputation is down from heroic to disliked and only that matters because... gimme casshhhhh! Now, please go and post 10.000 more positive posts. I am sure the hired pros will earn their money. Thanks.

You have every right to hate the endings. But be sure that there are People out there who like the endings, with the exact same rights as you have to hate them.   

Ksandor wrote...
The game did not sell well....

Maybe you wish it wouldn't sell well, because you don't like it, but as a matter of fact, it did sell well.
Google the numbers if you don't believe me.

It only technically sold well because of the number of preorders and I was among them. Once word got out about the abysmal ending sales dropped like a rock. As it stands, in terms of game sales and how it's currently being sold, it did not do well.  I was in Gamestop yesterday and it was selling for $27.99 and is only 2 months old.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...



As it is now the reapers win and everybody dies in a trapt solar system and Of Course I wanted shepard to defeat the enemy that he or she united a galaxy to defeat I of course Want shepards sacrifice to save the people that he or she wanted to save you're beyond being just plain optimistic alot of people already proven at best that it would take at least 2 to 3 years to rebuild the mass relays and in that time everybody could die you're beyond jsut denial and you haven't understood since several posts ago so please bug thee others since you obviously can't understand where I'm coming from

That to me is Naive cause I don't see how they die......I didn't know just
being near earth space would kill all aliens...Food? Why the Quarians
grow their own and can share with the turians.....So why else would they
all die???????? You continue to see things bleak cause you didnt get
the ending you expected that to me is bizarre.

The Quarians barely have enough to keep them going that is why they send the younglings of the quarians on pilgrimages to bring back supplies for the flotilla because they do not have that much supplies so they wouldn't be able to share and if they tried it would only most likely end up killing them both because now they're little food supply is cut even more in half

[LiarasShield]

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...



You want to know what noble sacrifice is I'll show you





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A01XGczHIk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyK5r41t1CI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq-0SaMxqk


This is what noble sacrifice really is giving your entire being to save the people you love and care about or giving them hope so that they can carry on and have future to change or protect what has came before and to craft a brighter future[/quote]


Ultimately heroes should go out like heroes a sacrfice should save the the person or people that your sacrificng your life for and with all the cliff hanger our forces trapt in sol will they be able to make the relays in time we just don't know without assumptions will the reapers if they live eventually turn on us again and commit mass genocide on us all over again most likely can't see really why they wouldn't go back to their old ways but yes cliff hanger all forces trapt around sol system all relays blown up nobody is going home no indictation of anything showing otherwise right now in all endings it feels like the enemy forces shepard to die which ultimately doesn't save us but saves the reapers I can't be ok with this the 90% of fans who disliked the reasons for exactly this reason
or the lies or the plotholes they find thousand or millions of fans wouldn't be upset without valid decent reasons nor would they make giant organizations and give 70 thousand dollars to charity either if they weren't decent people

And I'm passionate fan who has loved this series for a long time so of course people like me and 3dand, voodo and daveyiesly will keep coming back because were passionate about the series and just can't see how it is ok for stuff to go this way[/quote]


Simply thanatos I quote my on posts so that I don't have to keep saying the same things to you or repeat my self a thousand different times to newcomers who may come to this thread[/quote]

I guess I must admire some of you who hold on to the illusion of that we won or that our forces will be ok submitting to the enemy creator letting the reapers live so they may in the future kill advanced organics again and for all the relays to be destroyed or disabled with all our forces stranded

Again The flotilla does not have that much resources that is why they send new quarians on pilgrimages to try to find valuable things for the flotilla they barely have enough resources to keep them going since the loss of rannoch let alone trying to share it with a completely other race in the end it would only end up hurting them both then particulary saving one side or another

[LiarasShield]

But then again false hope or desperate hope is better then none I guess?

[sdinc009]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Next week I'm going to run through on Insanity just to get the achievement, then it's getting shelved.

I'm giving them the chance to fix this with the EC DLC and if they fail then I'm done. Not shelved, SOLD. I'm not playing this abysmal excuse for an ending that completely ruins an entire trilogy. Bioware will not get another cent from me after what they have done. I just got The Witcher 2 from recommendations by many people recovering from "the ending" as well as the very positive reviews. This is the first time I've been able to play a game since ME3 ruined the whole experience for me. Wow, now CD Projekt RED knows what they're doing. Not only have they created a wonderful game, but guess what!? They announced that they're making The Witcher 2 DLC FREE! Yeah, free DLC and they didn't screw up their game. Well done, CD Projekt RED has just earned a loyal customer and I'm looking forward to our future business. I'm giving Bioware the chance with the EC DLC to determine whether I'm staying a customer of theirs.

[Voodoo-j]

If they don't fix nay CORRECT it... perhaps there may be another way that appears as well. It's already lost it's resale value. I may play through to the end later on as well, I love the game, and the other 2 before, but just not the ending. (We can stop right before the the moment the game departs from it's true form.)

[Voodoo-j]

Fix would mean they can do something with the current ending. Correct means they put the correct ending in place.

[Voodoo-j]

Here it is... Ha, I spoke to soon.. they are really trying to suck up.. another free pack.

http://www.trueachie...-on-its-way.htm


To think I would have at least purchased one of them.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 25 mai 2012 - 02:22 .

[LiarasShield]

Mass effect use to be about determination to save the galaxy to never give up and fight to the end even in bleak scenarios but the end of this game will forever tarnish shepards will as a character and shepards squadmates shepard gave into the reaper creators twisted logic and only accepted the reapers choices as the choices that he or she would make giving in to the enemy and having the enemy choose shepard 3 choices of destruction

Shepards loyal squadmates during most of all 3 games jsut abandoning shepards and the rest of the fleets out of the blue when they would never have done that espically the squadmates you took during the run with harbinger

I honestly think those that can accept the ending the way it is now is indoctrinated by the reapers and see them as friends instead of the enemy we came to beat and save the galaxy from

[Voodoo-j]

I was really starting to enjoy the multiplayer as well, would have carried me through to Halo 4.

[LiarasShield]

I hear ya voodo I don't mind free dlc for multiplayer but I would pay 20 or 30 dollars for a true ending victory where we can say no to the reaper creator and fight them till the end and then have our ems score decide how badly we lose or how good we win depending on ems

[Voodoo-j]

And if someone is listening, if the ending would have brought enough reason to replay the solo game, I definitely would have followed through on the mp, maybe not constantly playing, but I like variety and would have played it quite often. Just some feedback on how I felt about the MP.

[LiarasShield]

The sad thing is That I only look forward to playing half or small portion of the game being multiplayer instead of being able to enjoy the full game

[evillamor]

Haven't visited here since I finished the games a week after release date. Digged the MP but what's the point if you feel like crap after going through one of the worst game endings in epic gaming history. This most likely sits beside Resistance 3 (both being trilogy) in my book. I just wish they'll announce something like halfway through, give it a few more months, what to expect, etc.

Their silence isn't helping and right now, the game is almost forgotten hence the USD 28 sale. There's just little interest anymore due to the bad publicity. So maybe what they'll do is re-release the game into "The definitive experience." type of game.

I'm still waiting for that definitive experience and will reinstall the game once the extended cut is released, enjoying too much Diablo 3 right now to even care.

[Helios969]

LiarasShield wrote...

I hear ya voodo I don't mind free dlc for multiplayer but I would pay 20 or 30 dollars for a true ending victory where we can say no to the reaper creator and fight them till the end and then have our ems score decide how badly we lose or how good we win depending on ems

Regardless of MP.  EMS tied to MP for those of us who only bought the game for SP just pisses me off.

[evillamor]

That being said, I'm a Bioware fan and I think I'll always be a sucker for their games, the only one I skipped is The Old Republic but otherwise, I'd most likely get Dragon Age 3 which is the next game they are releasing.

[LiarasShield]

Be aware though evilamor they're making the same false promises that were not kept within this game

[Benchpress610]

sdinc009 wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

Brainwashed, whitewashed, hired pro or just mainstream? Whatever... I am SO glad you liked the ending. Unfortunately the majority did not like it. The game did not sell well, company reputation is down from heroic to disliked and only that matters because... gimme casshhhhh! Now, please go and post 10.000 more positive posts. I am sure the hired pros will earn their money. Thanks.

You have every right to hate the endings. But be sure that there are People out there who like the endings, with the exact same rights as you have to hate them.   

Ksandor wrote...
The game did not sell well....

Maybe you wish it wouldn't sell well, because you don't like it, but as a matter of fact, it did sell well.
Google the numbers if you don't believe me.

It only technically sold well because of the number of preorders and I was among them. Once word got out about the abysmal ending sales dropped like a rock. As it stands, in terms of game sales and how it's currently being sold, it did not do well.  I was in Gamestop yesterday and it was selling for $27.99 and is only 2 months old.

Correct. The game has sold over 3M copies, which is makes their figures look great. However, that figure is skewed because a large portion of it is pre-order and first day/week sales based on the popularity of the series, BW’ reputation and pre-release marketing promises. To what degree sales have dropped after the first couple of weeks? We can only speculate and they won’t release their figures. The real test will be when they release their first pay for DLC.
 
The fact that SWTOR had 400,000 subscriptions cancelled during the last couple of months might be an indication of how this is trending.