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[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Be aware though evilamor they're making the same false promises that were not kept within this game

They didnt make false promises.....You just assumed things not in evidence.

interviews by the actual creators from the bioware teamn including casey hudson himself is more then enough evidence thanatos you just like to fight to fight we have proof we have even shown you evidence which you clearly spit on and ignore so yes

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

Your giving him too much credit, he doesn't deserve to be compared to a horse.
Although .. in the retuarant he was eating fried roaches!

class act there....Shouldn't you be riding the shortbus back to school?

I believe in return to sender - therefore I have returned to you what you have sent to me.
(and yes I'm reactive not proactive when it comes to how I treat people)

Would be fine if I was the first to insult you. Did I hurt your feeling telling you the truth????????? Did you run out of your mommas basement and tell on me?

You act like a class ass and therefore all bets are off when it comes to you. 
Quite a few other have had views where they liked even loved the ending. 
I gave them respect as they acted like normal adults.

You on the otherhand are intentionally being an ass.

[LiarasShield]

Either case though the promises of what the endings should've intelled should've happend but that isn't the case that is why me and many others are on this forum because things didn't go down the way that they said it would

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

He didnt lie. Seeing as the whole game was a ending he gave us more then he said.

Ok, you started by saying Bioware never said what they said and when we prove they said what they said and we have proved what they said was misleading at best and lying at worst, you change the meaning of the word ending.  You keep changing where the finish line is.  The end of a story is at the end.

Hmmmm and where oh where has it ever been that a whole game was a game ending.  Actually, the marketing exec said ME3 was a beginning.

David Silverman, Director of Marketing at Bioware,

"What we're trying to do with Mass Effect 3 is that it's a new beginning
for the series. It's probably a natural entry point. Given the fact
this is the beginning of an all-out war with this ancient alien race.
We've been foreshadowing this war with this race that's been dormant for
50,000 years. Well now they've finally woken up, launching their full
scale invasion and trying to wipe out all life as we know it. It's a
natural point for people to jump in."


And I'm pretty sure that the last part of a game is the ending of the game and the whole game is not the ending. 

There are endings within the game-but I'd agree partly with Silverman, that most of those things are merely endings to inner conflicts and beginnings to new lives.  The Krogans are beginning to realize their potential and will begin to revitalize their people.  The Quarians have begun a new life of cooperation (maybe) with the geth and the reclamation of Rannoch.  The game is in no way an ending.

The ending is the point at which the game stops, it is the final part of the final chapter of the story.

The last Harry Potter book did end the current stories of Harry Potter, but the whole book was not the ending. 

An assertion now that the whole game is the end is something recently made up by people who don't like others to complain.  They are changing the rules in order to fit their misguided notion or to reaffirm their claims that Bioware never lied to people.  People put out proof that Bioware lied or misled, so then change it so the ending is not the ending, the whole game is.  BS.

It's also why Bioware started implying that people just were not smart enough to understand the ending so they'd give clarity.  It made some people not want to appear dumb so they agreed the ending was super intellectual and they understood it.  Others are just dumb.  Yep, I'm stupid because I see this concept is pseudo-intellectual:  The created will always rebel against their creator and thus destroy their creator so in order to prevent the created from destroying their creator we must destroy their creator.  We're here to help.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 25 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Be aware though evilamor they're making the same false promises that were not kept within this game

They didnt make false promises.....You just assumed things not in evidence.

interviews by the actual creators from the bioware teamn including casey hudson himself is more then enough evidence thanatos you just like to fight to fight we have proof we have even shown you evidence which you clearly spit on and ignore so yes

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

Your giving him too much credit, he doesn't deserve to be compared to a horse.
Although .. in the retuarant he was eating fried roaches!

class act there....Shouldn't you be riding the shortbus back to school?

I believe in return to sender - therefore I have returned to you what you have sent to me.
(and yes I'm reactive not proactive when it comes to how I treat people)

Would be fine if I was the first to insult you. Did I hurt your feeling telling you the truth????????? Did you run out of your mommas basement and tell on me?

You act like a class ass and therefore all bets are off when it comes to you. 
Quite a few other have had views where they liked even loved the ending. 
I gave them respect as they acted like normal adults.

You on the otherhand are intentionally being an ass.

I am thinking you need to revue your posts or look up the definition of respect.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Either case though the promises of what the endings should've intelled should've happend but that isn't the case that is why me and many others are on this forum because things didn't go down the way that they said it would

They never once told you how it would end...You assumed.

[Khemi]

3DandBeyond wrote...
In London, when Shepard is saying final goodbyes, EDI is there and tells Shepard that Jeff may have unshackled her and she learned a lot of things from other sources, but only in that moment did she feel alive and that was because of Shepard. Thank you Bioware for making my only somewhat sensible choice be to kill the child of my better nature.

This. Oh, so much. This. We can rationalize it would have been what she would have wanted in the circumstances, but still, this.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Either case though the promises of what the endings should've intelled should've happend but that isn't the case that is why me and many others are on this forum because things didn't go down the way that they said it would

They never once told you how it would end...You assumed.

They said our choices would matter they said it wouldn't end like a a b c ending I didn't assume anything since this point blank what they said

[LiarasShield]

and our actions didn't affect the ending because we get the same 3 different colored explosions you have nothing of decent value to beat the facts and the words they have said within their own interviews I feel like you purposely like being in the dark which you keep showing to us

[Redbelle]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Either case though the promises of what the endings should've intelled should've happend but that isn't the case that is why me and many others are on this forum because things didn't go down the way that they said it would

They never once told you how it would end...You assumed.

It's true, they didn't tell us how it would end......... Game developers generally hate it when the ending is leaked so BW didi not tell us how it would end......... However they did tell us how it wouldn't end. The A, B and C reference on how it wouldn't end has been heard by many now and to be fair the options presented to the player were blue, green and red........... That however is splitting hairs.

The 16 endings are similar to one another in the divisions of their B, G and R choice pools. Without meaningful variation we essentially got 3 different endings.

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I am thinking you need to revue your posts or look up the definition of respect.

I laugh in your face, there is not a sane person that reads this thread and know the truth of you trolling and showing no respect to anyone here.

You don't deserve any respect for you actions, and it matters not what words you type, the truth is obvious, you know, and I know it.

That is what matters.

[LiarasShield]

and it isn't even really 3 different endings since they have 90% of the same animation minus a different color

[Redbelle]

LiarasShield wrote...

and it isn't even really 3 different endings since they have 90% of the same animation minus a different color

That's what I was referring to earlier when I mentioned the endings have little meaningful variation.

Each ending essentially uses stock film with a few minor alterations thrown here and there. It's understandable from a programming perspective as producing 16 individual endings that are all different would take up alot of time compared to producing an ending with recurring scenes.

[Voodoo-j]

LiarasShield wrote...

and it isn't even really 3 different endings since they have 90% of the same animation minus a different color

That's my thought, the same ending with a few lines of dialogue difference and 3 different colors.

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I am thinking you need to revue your posts or look up the definition of respect.

Thanatos144,
I am thinking you need to review yours.  People have been having discussions here.  You have always been insulting.  Whenever you've seemingly started to try to actually converse and someone starts using facts and figures, you get mad and insult their intelligence.  That's real respect.  You never have once admitted you could be wrong.

Case in point, you asserted it made sense for Joker to fly away with everybody, abandoning the fight and Shepard-that no one knew to be definitely alive or definitely dead.  You said it made sense because no one went to look for Shepard at the beginning of ME2 and Cerberus had to pay Liara to.  I pointed out that this was false. 

Others may not have looked for Shepard, but some of them had their own problems and didn't have the money or the ship to form an expedition and they may have rightly assumed it was useless because Shepard had to be dead which Shepard was.  And Joker was in no position to search at all.  But I pointed out that Liara was already looking for Shepard before being approached by Cerberus and the money Cerberus gave afterward was used to help locate and procure Shepard's body, not as some treasure for Liara.

You ignored this and just moved on - and started your one line insults again. 

You have always come here looking for a fight.  You are like a schoolyard bully who continually tries to intimidate others and when they stand up to you, you blame them.  Please, there's still time to change.  You don't have to agree with other people about the substance of ME3 - thank God we all have such diverse opinions on things - but discuss what you see as valid points and don't just keep trying to pick fights.

You are the one that was big on the idea that respect has to be earned.  You've earned none.

[3DandBeyond]

I also want to go back to one discussion we all had as to whether that was Harbinger that hit Shepard with the beam in London. This seemed to matter to Thanatos, so after the one reaper is taken down with the missile battery, Anderson meets up with Shepard. Anderson says that Harbinger and some other reapers are headed their way. The implication is that Harbinger was the one that shot Shepard. It's not proof but a preponderance of evidence. It still could be Bob the reaper, the name doesn't matter, but just so you know, Thanny.

And for someone that says that some people are using "facts not in evidence" you've used an awful lot of fiction to assert certain things as being true about the ending.

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I also want to go back to one discussion we all had as to whether that was Harbinger that hit Shepard with the beam in London. This seemed to matter to Thanatos, so after the one reaper is taken down with the missile battery, Anderson meets up with Shepard. Anderson says that Harbinger and some other reapers are headed their way. The implication is that Harbinger was the one that shot Shepard. It's not proof but a preponderance of evidence. It still could be Bob the reaper, the name doesn't matter, but just so you know, Thanny.

And for someone that says that some people are using "facts not in evidence" you've used an awful lot of fiction to assert certain things as being true about the ending.

Funny, I remember being the one who proved that the Reaper who shot Shepard was Harby and delivered the evidence + and cited references to show how I had arrived at that conclusion. In a nutshell it was the glowing eye's, the rapid rate of fire and an image of Harby on wiki that showed his distinct hull design. Features that have not appeared on other Reapers to date.

While it is possible to say that there are other Reapers with these features and we just haven't seen them I have to point out that not seeing similar Reapers is a lack of evidence. We can only base our analysis on what we see and hear. Start using speculation and supposition to counter what we see and hear and we will never arrive at a firm conclusion

Modifié par Redbelle, 25 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I also want to go back to one discussion we all had as to whether that was Harbinger that hit Shepard with the beam in London. This seemed to matter to Thanatos, so after the one reaper is taken down with the missile battery, Anderson meets up with Shepard. Anderson says that Harbinger and some other reapers are headed their way. The implication is that Harbinger was the one that shot Shepard. It's not proof but a preponderance of evidence. It still could be Bob the reaper, the name doesn't matter, but just so you know, Thanny.

And for someone that says that some people are using "facts not in evidence" you've used an awful lot of fiction to assert certain things as being true about the ending.

Funny, I remember being the one who proved that the Reaper who shot Shepard was Harby and delivered the evidence + and cited references to show how I had arrived at that conclusion. In a nutshell it was the glowing eye's, the rapid rate of fire and an image of Harby on wiki that showed his distinct hull design. Features that have not appeared on other Reapers to date.

While it is possible to say that there are other Reapers with these features and we just haven't seen them I have to point out that not seeing similar Reapers is a lack of evidence. We can only base our analysis on what we see and hear. Start using speculation and supposition to counter what we will never arrive at a firm conclusion

I missed your post on that and so I'm sorry.  It could also be that I read it and my forgetful brain put it aside.  It's just I hadn't remembered Anderson's comments about Harbinger coming to their location and it solidified my understanding that it was Harby at the end.

It never mattered to me but one bubbly person said people should stop assuming it's Harbinger, as if that was important.

I had only remembered people saying there were no pics of Harby (there is one in the codex) and that it was hard to see the one at the end, but there is a clear view at times.  I didn't need convincing at all.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 25 mai 2012 - 06:22 .

[Benchpress610]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

I did blow a few hundred microsoft points on it just to get something I could work with. 
(it was also before I seen the ending)
Once you play enough it's easy enough just to earn the points to buy the packs as needed.

It is far better to wait and get the credits for the packs.  I definitely agree.

You can earn the credits for the packs, but they've worked it out so that they can get a lot of people to get impatient and pay for the packs.

You have to ask why they made MP more of a necessity for SP.

I know that for bronze level games, you get somewhere around 15,000 credits for a successful mission-around 7,000 or less for one that isn't.  Consider that I am not the best player and my last 5 games, I've been the top player with 5 times the score of the second place person.  I repeatedly healed everyone, was the last person standing many time, and sometimes the only person at the extraction point.  So, getting a successful mission is getting pretty difficult.  I've also had the game dump all other players in the mission multiple times so I was playing alone.  I'd get through a couple waves, but...

Anyway, each game takes 20 minutes.  To get the best pack it takes about 2 hours of solid, successful play time.  It's doable, and I admit can be fun, but they are counting on people to be impatient.  By that time a person no longer has any medigel, rail amps, mods, special ammo packs so they might use the credits for the lesser packs.

I've managed to complete a lot of successful silver missions and some gold ones and you really need the better packs for them.

True, it takes patience to accumulate the 99,000 creds needed for the Premium Specter Pack. But hey… you earn them by playing. Then the items you get are random. Most of the time you get stuff you don’t use. I’ve been praying for a Revenant for over a month with no luck so far. That’s a second reason not to spend real money. I’m not paying real money for random packages.
 
I did get the Striker AR…boy, that baby is a real can of whoop *ss…

Modifié par Benchpress610, 25 mai 2012 - 05:41 .

[Voodoo-j]

Once you max out the first and second tier you don't really have any reason to spend anyway, except to replenish medi gel and missile rounds. If you get decent players that support each other the silver level is easy, the gold on the other hand, I wont attempt unless I know I'm playing with a group that's working together.

[3DandBeyond]

Benchpress610 wrote...

True, it takes patience to accumulate the 99,000 creds needed for the Premium Specter Pack. But hey… you earn them by playing. Then the items you get are random. Most of the time you get stuff you don’t use. I’ve been praying for a Revenant for over a month with no luck so far. That’s a second reason not to spend real money. I’m not paying real money for random packages.
 
I did get the Striker AR…boy, that baby is a real can of whoop *ss…

Yes, you are so right-you pay for random.  One guy on youtube had a vid to show what he got when he bought (paid real money for) the Premium Pack.  He got terrible stuff each time and sad to say, people were laughing at him.

The Revenant is my favorite weapon.  I max out my ammo and shoot and keep shooting.  I never used it in SP much until I got it in MP and started using it.  In MP, I just dump all other weapons for it and used some biotics in between.  It's fun to see it push Guardians back.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 25 mai 2012 - 06:20 .

[daveyeisley]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Next week I'm going to run through on Insanity just to get the achievement, then it's getting shelved.

Sigh. Objective completed last week (insanity run).

Now only MP... or its shelved. Been Waffling because the combat is decent, and bronze runs can be good fun.

Finished my paragon adept, paragon soldier, paragon engineer,  renegade adept, renegade soldier, and started renegade vanguard... but cant bring myself to keep slogging. So sad.

[darth shango]

I finally beat ME3 and holy hell what a ride! I don't have any issues with the ending, it was moving, powerful, and artistic. There were so many great moments in this game, but I think my favorite one (asked by OP) was when you use Renegade interrupt to deliver the killing blow to Kai Leng and deliver the line "This is for Thane you son of a b***h!" That reminded me of Aliens when Ripley emerges in the load lifter to fight the queen.

[Archonsg]

I wish people would not describe a death sentence suicide as art.

[Helios969]

antony1197 wrote...

"We are listening" HAHA seriously thats comedy right there.

They probably got tired of the constant attacks by angry fans.  I can't say I blame them, even though it was self induced.  There's probably a couple listening, but not responding.  At least we can only hope.

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

I wish people would not describe a death sentence suicide as art.

I agree. Genocide, suicide, death of one's own soul and the murder of other's.  This is not art, it's not some bittersweet sacrifice.  It's actually akin to something EDI says when she's pondering information she had regarding people that were prisoners of the reapers.

EDI was surprised that most of the prisoners did not give in to the reapers-didn't help them if offered life and better things.  The prisoners had been given a choice and most of them rejected it even though it meant they would die.  They didn't give in.  But, Shepard does.  Those prisoners had a gun to their heads too and they knew that if they didn't speak up it might also mean they all would die.  You don't capitulate, you don't give in, you don't collaborate with the enemy.  The moment you change your ideals in order to just survive in some way, you've already lost.

It's why you don't give up true honor and valour and values and nobler causes to fight a war because the war then becomes meaningless-you rot the cause from within and lose.

If Shepard gives into this glow boy who says "we" and "us", meaning he and the reapers, the question should be who this kid really is followed by more questions such as why would the evil guy with reapers on a leash now be offering help and solutions to save the galaxy.  The logical conclusion is he wouldn't.

As for art-I can appreciate a work by Salvadore Dali, but I'd like to know a game is based upon his twisted reality before buying it.  And if a game has never ventured into surrealism before, I really can't be happy if it goes there in the end-the most important point of memory for a game and any story.