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[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

thanatos you're more arrogant then anyone in this thread you have proven it like twenty times already and it keeps getting worse lol

He's not worth the effort.  He must not get much attention in real life.  He said he's 40, but acts worse than my nephews did at 5.  Time is better spent on things that matter.  He doesn't.  Sad little man.

Indeed he really isn't worth the notice lol

Then stop noticing..... go all the way into your delusions.

[Thanatos144]

we all have freedom

[3DandBeyond]

BladeHero12 wrote...

What reason is there to take the Rachni Queen at her word in the first ME?

I've played the Mass Effect games on the PS3, and my only experience with the events of ME1 comes from the DLC comic that plays out at the start of ME2.

Leaving the Collector Base to TIM is a Renegade action, but that doesn''t mean the Control option is a Renegade choice; Rewriting the Geth Heretics was a Paragon option, but in the long run it makes brokering peace between the Geth and Quarians a less likely option on Rannoch; as far as I'm concerned the only Paragon choice on Rannoch is "Rally the Fleet". 

There are a number of moments in the series that have Shepard making major decisions, and I tried to see events from Shepard's perspective when I encountered them; I destroyed the Heretics, destroyed the Collector Base, and saved Maelon's research becasue I, as Shepard, felt that these were the better choices of the ones available. In the end Shepard has to make some hard choices and take some major risks without knowing what the impact will be in weeks, months, and years following; this is still true at the end of ME3.

The Rachni were actually used by the Protheans in a way similar to how the Krogan were used later on.  When Shepard meets the Rachni queen in ME1, she's supposed to be the last.  Her children have all been reaperized and she is locked up by Saren, much the same as in ME3.  If your Shepard tends to follow the logic that she's a living being that was caught and taken against her will, just like what's happening to everyone else, then saving her may make sense.  But the difference between trusting her and trusting the kid is a big one.  The Rachni were used and they may not have been able to travel through a relay and make trouble had a Salarian not opened up a relay to their system.

As far as Control goes, it is the more renegade option based on its own merits.  The renegade is most often seen as not as good as paragon, but that's not the total picture.  The renegade is basically more pragmatic and chooses the more expedient route.  And Control is TIM's choice, but it was also shown as an impossible choice because any that sought control of the reapers had been indoctrinated.  The case that most of us make here is that none of the choices are anything a paragon Shepard would do.  They all are akin to godhood, but Control is absolute godhood-that is a more renegade choice, but it's all opinion.

I own a PS3 as well and it's really unfortunate what they did with the PS3 games.  I started playing ME2 first on the PS3, and owned ME1 for the PC-got a new computer and played ME1 and learned some things that are not in the comic and all.  Played ME3 on the PS3 too.  Then, I got a 360 and was given all 3 games for it.  You get a much better experience with all 3 games on one platform.  And there are a few war assets that you can pick up as well.  There is more info in dialog-sometimes other options.  And characters from ME1 will show up in 2 and even 3.  Some things seem to play out differently as well.

Along the way, Shepard makes a lot of choices though that don't change anything in the end.  That and all of the flawed logic just make the ending incoherent and not fit with the rest of the story in my opinion.

Here's another little tidbit in ME1-easily missed and forgotten.  There's this AI on the Citadel that is siphoning off money from gambling machines.  It has no body, so it's similar to EDI.  It wants to get enough money to join the geth.  And it's going to blow Shepard up when Shepard discovers it.  This AI says that organics will always try to control and destroy synthetics. 

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

we all have freedom

Again, the hipocrisy, your on a roll!!!

[Landon7001]

does any one disagrre that bioware should be held accountable lagally for the blatant and constant lies about their product pre release? ive just never seen any thing like it, i mean,it cant be legal. the game is the exact opposite of everything they said it would be {or wouldnt be} false advertising??

[penguin_565]

 Hahaha Grunt's rage.

[Stakrin]

My single favorite moment? Can't say. Wrex in general. Garrus and Legion calibration. Mordin's renegade death scene. Legion saying "I know" "Your people used to lick their eyes"-Javik.
The reaper on rannoch. Garrus "You were born to do this" Speech. (really all of Shepards closure discussions. The characters were written in a way that they were actually memorable, and you actually had to care about them.)

[Voodoo-j]

Landon7001 wrote...

does any one disagrre that bioware should be held accountable lagally for the blatant and constant lies about their product pre release? ive just never seen any thing like it, i mean,it cant be legal. the game is the exact opposite of everything they said it would be {or wouldnt be} false advertising??

I believe in letting it lie where the pieces fall, in the end it's what they choose to do on their own that will seal the consumer/producer relationship.  Legally forceing them into any other action is moot.  It's like paying someone to be your friend, its a false relationship.  There are many games out there, in the end it comes down to which ones consumers feel meet their needs.  If the end of this comes to be what the majority of consumers in this commodity feel is acceptable or not is what will be the result.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 31 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[dorktainian]

 

bioware.  just watch this and understand why the hell we think the ending sucks.

[Archonsg]

Landon7001 wrote...

does any one disagrre that bioware should be held accountable lagally for the blatant and constant lies about their product pre release? ive just never seen any thing like it, i mean,it cant be legal. the game is the exact opposite of everything they said it would be {or wouldnt be} false advertising??

Apparently Thanatos (bubbles) does.
His argument is that no one promised anything, and that since Bioware owns rights to the game, they could do anything they want and we, consumers should be grateful regardless.

This is contary to the fact that the BBB has made a comment thst Bioware's advertising and final product were misrepresented, and other evidence, such as still available videos made for and is still being used for advertising purposes, are misleading at best, fraudulent at worst. And yet ... as you can see from his above posts, think we, have no right to make our ire known.

Modifié par Archonsg, 31 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[Archonsg]

Bubbles =



Ferrous Cranus

Modifié par Archonsg, 31 mai 2012 - 12:19 .

[Benchpress610]

Archonsg wrote...

Bubbles =




Ferrous Cranus

Bioware can do whatever it likes, fraudulently sell me a product even, but I do not have to like it, nor keep quiet about it.

ROFLMAO

Modifié par Benchpress610, 31 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[Benchpress610]

Good morning friends. I know this is off topic, but I have a question: I was looking at my registered game content and I noticed this item “Online Pass (N7 Collector’s Edition)” does this mean that whoever bought the standard edition had to buy the Online Pass separately? I wasn’t aware PC players needed an online pass.

[Benchpress610]

Archonsg wrote...
Apparently Thanatos (bubbles) does.
His argument is that no one promised anything, and that since Bioware owns rights to the game, they could do anything they want and we, consumers should be grateful regardless.

This is contary to the fact that the BBB has made a comment thst Bioware's advertising and final product were misrepresented, and other evidence, such as still available videos made for and is still being used for advertising purposes, are misleading at best, fraudulent at worst. And yet ... as you can see from his above posts, think we, have no right to make our ire known.

Oh we are grateful…we showed plenty of our gratitude in the form of dollars $$$$

[Archonsg]

@benchpress610

Thought that was the case too. Unless they had a change of policies.
Have an N7 copy too and have been playing the heck out of MP. Just ignore thst MP pass thing.

That post above has a broken link, forum isn't friendly to android phones. Will fix it later when I get home.

Modifié par Archonsg, 31 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg,
Hilarious. It's the colander look, very stylish.

And the fact that the BBB spoke up at all does speak volumes. When has such a thing ever happened over a video game? I've played plenty of games where fans have had some issues. But, by and large these things did get fixed to some degree or another.

It is also amazing the extent to which Forbes has run articles regarding the ME3 ending. This indicates that what eventually happens will be of note.

One point that I might make here. There actually was one person that started a lawsuit over this. The ability to win such a thing is probably partly why some pre-release info is starting to disappear. It's already a huge uphill battle for a lawsuit like this, but because of the legal gray areas (and what the BBB said), Bioware may have been advised to not say anything much, especially not apologize. Sometimes, legally, apologizing is admitting you did wrong and taking responsibility-good things, but not when being sued.

Consider how they word things and how they are sticking with their ending in all that they say.

Part of the problem is, all along the way they have forgotten about different segments of fans at different times. The Multiplayer requirement and then EC coming out later totally disregards people that have no internet or no xbox live gold. This is a huge oversight even if it's a small percentage of fans. Keep in mind the game does not list a broadband connection as a requirement.

So, if they took responsibility (or if they had originally intended a DLC ending) they have a real problem at least with those fans.


And Benchpress,

As far as online play I know for the xbox and PS3, you do not need to buy the code for online play if you bought the game new.  This is a new trick game companies are using to remove the value of used games.  Buy it used and you need to buy the code unless the original owner didn't use it and it's with the game.  Why that would be in with the PC version I don't know.  It was only needed for consoles.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 31 mai 2012 - 01:29 .

[Archonsg]

Link in that original post fixed. ;>).
Pretty much describes Bubbles to a T.
Still at large, just got a different browser on the phone.

[3DandBeyond]

Ferrous Cranus. Absolutely. No true logic shall ever intrude upon the silence of a vacuous mind.

[LiarasShield]

again the catalyst isnt the good guy the enemy that has been destroying advanced organics for generations and then saying their going to save us from advanced synthetics but then use the geth to kill us or fight us with their reaper code after nearly destroying the galaxy and do this a thousand times over do you really think the reapers are just gonna sit down and drink milk and cookies with us I hardly doubt so

In A situation where the enemy that your fighting or brought all your forces to beat it makes no sense to automaticlly give into said enemy with circular logic that can be torn apart and then forced into 3 choices that either sound suicidal and ends up traping all your forces or commiting mass genocide to races like the geth and the quarians

Or turing everybody into half machines or half organic hybrids against their will destroying individuality evolution to affect real change to destroy the whole essence of bringing different people together to accomplish a goal

And No one has ever been able to control the reapers so it makes no sense why it would be able to work now when the illusive man and saren both failed to do so and how is shepard controlling the reapers if his or her body is destroyed how in hells name are the reapers being controlled and in any of the endings where the main villian lives what makes you think they won't try to harvest or commit mass genocide again it just


*Deep breath* dear god I just oooooih *Facepalms


Maybe from now on on every post I make I shall have this picture accompanie it

Thought this was kinda cool


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Yeah a sacrifical ending is fine if you end up saving the people you sacrifice for but giving into the enemy and then having the enemy pick what you should or force you into 3 terrible choices that personally as player and as shepard would probably never do I'm sorry

I'd rather fight the reapers to the end and depending on how high ems is how bad we lose or how good we win with keeping the relays intact so all the forces can go home and have loyal squad stay with us and the fleets

And why Can't mass effect 3 have a good ending or at least a victory ending mass effect 1 had one mass effect 2 had one 99% of mass effect 3 despite the noble and sad sacrifices had heroic and well done moments so why in the ending where everything is suppose to make sense where we are suppose to be reaching a decent conclusion does everything lose cohesion losing gallons of blood or not I wouldn't give in or accept the cataylst without questioning my own sanity because he created the reapers he is using the reapers to destroy organics for aeons on end and is still using the reapers to destroy my forces as we are having this very conversation with the catalyst


And ultimately why would I Trapt my own forces or let the enemy that has been destroying life for thousand of years or is destroying us during most of the final game why in hells name would I let them live so that they can potentially kill us all over again I just sweet christmas U_u

At the end of the day a defeat is a defeat I wish our choices would've mattered I wish we could've really beaten the reapers espically under our own steam and not their creators wishes

Yea thanatos loves playing games to lose I bet he plays call of duty all the time online so he can get his ass destroyed or so that no matter what he does he will always lose yup he loves it more then anything


The Funny thing is that the one calling everyone delusional is the one who is delusional oh how the irony is

[3DandBeyond]

I believe that the sacrifice has already taken place, everywhere throughout the game. Shepard and friends have already given of themselves or led lives of pain and for far too long. The galaxy has deserved nothing, but has resisted everything. Shepard had to force them to act in their own self-interest. And this is now what Shepard must sacrifice all for? Shepard has already lived a life of sacrifice. And so have Shepard's LIs. Liara helped kill her mother. Jack, we all know what happened to Jack. Tali-human contact could mean death. Kaidan lived through some horrific experiences and deals with the effects of the L2 implant. Ashley must live down her own biases and the legacy of her family-maybe not as stark as what others deal with, but coming from a family like hers it is more major. Garrus has been alone and suffered loss.

Shepard has given everything and now it seems just fine for Shepard to give even more and for no good reason.

Crucible definition:

A place or occasion of severe test or trial: "the crucible of combat".

What's the test Shepard faces when confronted with the kid? As I see it, Shepard fails it big time, no matter what choice is made. We as players fail it too unless we just quit the game at that point.

[Benchpress610]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ferrous Cranus. Absolutely. No true logic shall ever intrude upon the silence of a vacuous mind.

Lol…some times I think he is inebriated with Spaceoline.
 
If you have read a short story by Isaac Asimov titled “I’m in Marsport Without Hilda”, you’ll know what I’m talking about. For those who haven’t, Spaceoline is fictitious anti-nausea drug which produces a free-association state, making the person who takes it shoot whatever comes to his/her mind no matter how incoherent it is. It’s a pretty funny story. I recommend it.
 
Talking about Asimov, he was a masterful SI-FI writer. I think Walters/Hudson should learn a thing or two from him.

[LiarasShield]

Despite Talking about how the ending fails and how any sense of victory and or sacrifice is wasted or does not succede in anyway how about we take the time to watch a beautiful scene from the movie moulin rouge





And come what may the song

from the sound track

Modifié par LiarasShield, 31 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[3DandBeyond]

Benchpress610 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ferrous Cranus. Absolutely. No true logic shall ever intrude upon the silence of a vacuous mind.

Lol…some times I think he is inebriated with Spaceoline.
 
If you have read a short story by Isaac Asimov titled “I’m in Marsport Without Hilda”, you’ll know what I’m talking about. For those who haven’t, Spaceoline is fictitious anti-nausea drug which produces a free-association state, making the person who takes it shoot whatever comes to his/her mind no matter how incoherent it is. It’s a pretty funny story. I recommend it.
 
Talking about Asimov, he was a masterful SI-FI writer. I think Walters/Hudson should learn a thing or two from him.

I've not read that, but should.

One really good set of stories is "The Gods Themselves". 

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

Despite Talking about how the ending fails and how any sense of victory and or sacrifice is wasted or does not succede in anyway how about we take the time to watch a beautiful scene from the movie moulin rouge





And come what may the song

from the sound track

Moulin rouge and Phantom of the opera are great movies for any romantic people out there