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[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

Aye, the packs bought with BW points are really micro transactions and given that in game credits are so easy to come buy, unnessary. Save the points for the DLC's.

Come to think of it, I wonder if this free DLC is being funded by ppl spending BW points on packs...... TF2 went that way and is holding up well.

Speaking of guns, That Tempest is indeed a sweet little uzi mascarading as a rife. Put on the light weight materials mod and it essentially becomes a high RoF gun that impacts little on your abilities. I usually pair it with the antimaterial rofle or a shotgun for my Infiltrators and Vanguards.

On that note, I am loving the way BW set up the class system. I usually specialise in most games with a single class or two but this MP has me playing all of them. Not up to full speed on a few but being able to reset the class level and try again is a sweet feature.

The guns that wuv me

Actually, that is exactly why the map packs are free and why your pack items are exhaustable.  Keep in mind EA is doing this with all their games, trading cards or packs.

If you play bronze level missions, you get just under 15k in credits for a successful mission, so at best you can get 2 recruit packs, but those only have level 1 bonus items.  You need 20k for level 2 bonus items with the veteran pack, but in order to really get the stuff you need, you need 99k, which some people do not have the patience for.

I can't tell you how many missions I end up being the last person in or how many just plain crap out (which hopefull they partly fix with the patch) so it's a waste of whatever items I got.

Also, I think it is only the 99k pack that will upgrade (rare) the amount of things you can carry at once, like medi-gel and cobras.  Playing on the PS3, I have had way more luck getting any of this stuff than on the 360.  Most of my 99k rares on the 360 have been upgrades to weapons I don't use.  But on the PS3, I got the Justicar and a lot of other things.  Just have to keep trying.  And buying things does not increase your odds-one guy on youtube did so repeatedly and all he was getting was the same stuff I get for free.

[3DandBeyond]

Grimmest wrote...

I just finished ME3 yesterday. With the same Shepard I played ME1 and ME2. 

There is a multitude of memorable moments throughout the series. It's hard to pick just one. The series is that good.

However, it's fairly easy to pick the lowest point of the series: the ending.
Unfortunately, this one bad moment overshadows all the good ones. Maybe sometime in the future when the ending isn't so fresh in my mind I'll be able to overlook it. But this is certainly not the case now.

I'm sure this has been discussed to death in many hate-inflamed threads, but these are the reasons I personally find the ending to be a deal breaker:

1) All endings are exactly the same. It's really just one ending.
2) None of the tough decisions you made in the entire series nor those extremely deep reletionships you built with various NPCs really make any difference in the outcome.

This was not what we were promised.

Two more reasons I thought the ending was terrible:

1) Normandy crash-landing on Eden planet is simply nonsensical.
2) AI-kid's logic is absurd. Whole dialogue with him was too short and contrived to be convincing at all.

I'm skeptical about any DLC fixes to the ending and I fear any such attempts would deteriorate the matter even further, instead of helping. But, please, if a DLC that rewrites/expands the ending will be released, do *not* charge for it. That would be insulting.

Finally: I'm not attacking neither Bioware nor EA. I just wanted to provide feedback.
And, yes, I'm coming late to the discussion, I know.

There's no such thing as being late to the discussion-whether you like the ending or don't.  Opinions are valid at any time.

I do think you are in agreement with many of us, that we worry that Bioware will stick with a broken ending that needs to be rewritten (if only for the dialog and choice items) at the very least.

Shepard needs to get his/her spine and voice back and a logical conclusion must be presented-real reasons for doing anything.

[BlueStorm83]

--- I just skipped two whole pages of posts: all because I am so VEHEMENTLY against indulging Thanatos/Bubbles nonsense. I skip any post he makes, and post that quotes him, and any post that mentions either of his names in the first sentence. I will now ignore my own post: I mentioned him in the begining.

[Voodoo-j]

Archonsg wrote...

Gotta Share this :

Terence Jay Music : The Wanted Parody

Lol!

That was freakin awesome!

[BearlyHere]

Grimmest wrote...

I just finished ME3 yesterday. With the same Shepard I played ME1 and ME2. 
snip:
Two more reasons I thought the ending was terrible:

1) Normandy crash-landing on Eden planet is simply nonsensical.
2) AI-kid's logic is absurd. Whole dialogue with him was too short and contrived to be convincing at all.

I'm skeptical about any DLC fixes to the ending and I fear any such attempts would deteriorate the matter even further, instead of helping. But, please, if a DLC that rewrites/expands the ending will be released, do *not* charge for it. That would be insulting.

Finally: I'm not attacking neither Bioware nor EA. I just wanted to provide feedback.
And, yes, I'm coming late to the discussion, I know.

That crash landing on Eden bothered me too. A friend who was an aspiring writer showed me a booklet of writers' guidlines he got from a SF mag ages ago. Besides telling writers what they were looking for, there were a few pages devoted to what they weren't looking for, or the bigest mistakes that novices make. One was the Deus ex machina, and the other was a variation on the Eden story. The booklet said they had even given the latter a name, the Shaggy God story, and those accounted for 80% of the unsolicited stories they received.

I don't think it's attacking Bioware to point out the obvious. I know the ending is someone's baby, but it's ugly, and that diaper really needs to be changed. Sad but true.

[Voodoo-j]

Im not sure why people think it's Eden Prime?
Per the Wiki Eden Prime has no moons.

[Archonsg]

BearlyHere wrote...

Grimmest wrote...

I just finished ME3 yesterday. With the same Shepard I played ME1 and ME2. 
snip:
Two more reasons I thought the ending was terrible:

1) Normandy crash-landing on Eden planet is simply nonsensical.
2) AI-kid's logic is absurd. Whole dialogue with him was too short and contrived to be convincing at all.

I'm skeptical about any DLC fixes to the ending and I fear any such attempts would deteriorate the matter even further, instead of helping. But, please, if a DLC that rewrites/expands the ending will be released, do *not* charge for it. That would be insulting.

Finally: I'm not attacking neither Bioware nor EA. I just wanted to provide feedback.
And, yes, I'm coming late to the discussion, I know.

That crash landing on Eden bothered me too. A friend who was an aspiring writer showed me a booklet of writers' guidlines he got from a SF mag ages ago. Besides telling writers what they were looking for, there were a few pages devoted to what they weren't looking for, or the bigest mistakes that novices make. One was the Deus ex machina, and the other was a variation on the Eden story. The booklet said they had even given the latter a name, the Shaggy God story, and those accounted for 80% of the unsolicited stories they received.

I don't think it's attacking Bioware to point out the obvious. I know the ending is someone's baby, but it's ugly, and that diaper really needs to be changed. Sad but true.

The problem is, taking this baby anology, is that we, the players, who have invested in ME3 over 5 years, are akin to being the Father of the ending while Bioware, the Mother. 
Over 5 years we were led to believe that in the course of our relationship, we'd have a baby of our making. Unique to the father's input, with the mother supplying her building material. 

So imagine your horror when you find out that not only is the baby butt ugly, is of the wrong race, deformed and announced clinically brain dead. Your wife then smiles at you innocently and says "Don't look at me like that, I'm rather surprised you'd react this way."

Modifié par Archonsg, 02 juin 2012 - 01:36 .

[Benchpress610]

Archonsg wrote...

Gotta Share this :

Terence Jay Music : The Wanted Parody

Lol!

Man, that video is hilarious

[3DandBeyond]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Im not sure why people think it's Eden Prime?
Per the Wiki Eden Prime has no moons.

I don't think Bearly meant Eden Prime.  She said it was an eden planet, like the garden of eden with Joker and EDI or whoever (Garrus) as Adam and Eve.

[daveyeisley]

Holger1405 wrote...

daveyeisley wrote...

While I still firmly assert that 4000 EMS is simply and completely impossible without multiplayer to boost readiness

It's not only a assertion, it's a fact.

The EMS issue is my greatest problem with ME3, still imho it doesn't mean that the game prefers Renegade actions. The difference between Paragon action and the Renegade Action is only 70 Points here. The most important Paragon action, making peace between the Quarians and the Geth, awards you with over 500 points more than the Renegade action.    

 

Back after a major PC repair that had me offline for almost a week.

One quibble with the above is that the decision to make peace is not solely a Paragon outcome. Those extra points can be gained by a renegade who sees the benefit of having both fleets intact and simply makes the quarians (mainly Han Gerrel) back down by threatening them with destruction at the hands of the Geth upgraded by Legions 'direct personality dissemination'.

Renegades can get the exact same points as Paragons in that situation, however, paragons cannot obtain the same points as Renegades in my previous example.

[BearlyHere]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Im not sure why people think it's Eden Prime?
Per the Wiki Eden Prime has no moons.

I wasn't saying I thought it was Eden Prime. I was speaking figuratively of them landing on a new Eden, especially if you tried synthesis where EDI and Joker walk off the ship together. "It's just you and me, babe. Let's get started on making some synthesis babies!"

I am saying the ending is a Shaggy God story, a retelling of the Eden story, or myth. As ArchonSG put it, not only an ugly baby, but one that cannot possibly be yours, but Bioware, the mother ignores your protestations. "I don't know what you're talking about. Of course it looks like you. He's not ugly, he's artistic, like a Picasso." And she hands off her howling spawn to us, leaking diapers and all, and goes off to make another.

[3DandBeyond]

alleyd wrote...

Just read an announcement about a future collision between the Milky way and Andromeda galaxies in the future.
If escaping this event was used as a Rationale by the Catalyst would you accept it. The Reapers were ascending life to recolonise in the future?

Or is my current ill health and emotional state making me slightly dense atm

Ha ha!  Well, it might at least be a rationale, but for me the problem with the Catalyst is even if he has what he thinks are noble reasons, living people in the galaxy might not like his methods.  There'd also be no way to change the goo back into people considering that humans had their goo removed and were made into husks and many were killed when they attacked others.  Same for all the rest.

If however the star kid had opened up the reapers as transport ships with stasis pods, that might be acceptable, but as it is the only protest Shepard makes of what the kid is doing is about ascension-you know, we want to keep our form and yada yada.

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

The problem is, taking this baby anology, is that we, the players, who have invested in ME3 over 5 years, are akin to being the Father of the ending while Bioware, the Mother. 
Over 5 years we were led to believe that in the course of our relationship, we'd have a baby of our making. Unique to the father's input, with the mother supplying her building material. 

So imagine your horror when you find out that not only is the baby butt ugly, is of the wrong race, deformed and announced clinically brain dead. Your wife then smiles at you innocently and says "Don't look at me like that, I'm rather surprised you'd react this way."

Actually this is all beginning to make sense now.  It is a David Lynch movie.  That baby analogy that Bearly and you bring up seals it.  It's "The Return of Eraserhead".  In case none of you have seen the DL movie, "Eraserhead" there is a baby in it that figures prominently and let's just say his body is made of oatmeal.  One of the single sickest movies I have ever seen and it makes as much sense as ME3's ending does. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 juin 2012 - 04:59 .

[3DandBeyond]

BearlyHere wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Im not sure why people think it's Eden Prime?
Per the Wiki Eden Prime has no moons.

I wasn't saying I thought it was Eden Prime. I was speaking figuratively of them landing on a new Eden, especially if you tried synthesis where EDI and Joker walk off the ship together. "It's just you and me, babe. Let's get started on making some synthesis babies!"

I am saying the ending is a Shaggy God story, a retelling of the Eden story, or myth. As ArchonSG put it, not only an ugly baby, but one that cannot possibly be yours, but Bioware, the mother ignores your protestations. "I don't know what you're talking about. Of course it looks like you. He's not ugly, he's artistic, like a Picasso." And she hands off her howling spawn to us, leaking diapers and all, and goes off to make another.

You are exactly right-it is a shaggy god story.  Interesting tidbits on sg stories in wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia....haggy_God_story

[Voodoo-j]

alleyd wrote...

Just read an announcement about a future collision between the Milky way and Andromeda galaxies in the future.
If escaping this event was used as a Rationale by the Catalyst would you accept it. The Reapers were ascending life to recolonise in the future?

Or is my current ill health and emotional state making me slightly dense atm

We have gone from stone to space in a very small ammount of time, 
Imagine what we can do in 4 billion years, providing we don't destroy ourselves.

By the time this hits us we will also be facing the issue of our own sun dying. 
(well another 1-1.5 billion years after)

Where there is a will, there is a way.

I think the next couple generations will be ones to get off our buts, stop eating so much fast food, being more fit and focused, more motivated, and pushing ahead.  It seems like humanity moves in tides, and we have been receeding for some time.

[Crusader4Reason]

It is good to know that BioWare is listening about fan displeasure over the ending to Mass Effect 3. I'll post my thoughts in the suggestions thread.

[Redbelle]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Im not sure why people think it's Eden Prime?
Per the Wiki Eden Prime has no moons.

Probably looking for a comfort zone after the ending was written into several cul-de-sacs. At least Eden Prime has habitable facilities and a few ships they could cannibalise to get the old girl Normandy flying again.

The planet they crash onto is a complete unknown and after seeing what happened in the ending I'd like to think I'd know more than those who have not yet reached the ending. Roll on a Dragon Age style after battle party.

Modifié par Redbelle, 02 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[Redbelle]

BearlyHere wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Im not sure why people think it's Eden Prime?
Per the Wiki Eden Prime has no moons.

I wasn't saying I thought it was Eden Prime. I was speaking figuratively of them landing on a new Eden, especially if you tried synthesis where EDI and Joker walk off the ship together. "It's just you and me, babe. Let's get started on making some synthesis babies!"

I am saying the ending is a Shaggy God story, a retelling of the Eden story, or myth. As ArchonSG put it, not only an ugly baby, but one that cannot possibly be yours, but Bioware, the mother ignores your protestations. "I don't know what you're talking about. Of course it looks like you. He's not ugly, he's artistic, like a Picasso." And she hands off her howling spawn to us, leaking diapers and all, and goes off to make another.

Euuugh, hand me that corkscrew, I need to get a mental picture out of head.

[Redbelle]

alleyd wrote...

Just read an announcement about a future collision between the Milky way and Andromeda galaxies in the future.
If escaping this event was used as a Rationale by the Catalyst would you accept it. The Reapers were ascending life to recolonise in the future?

Or is my current ill health and emotional state making me slightly dense atm

Oooh, here's a thought. If galaxies are going to collide and as a result kill everyone, then in that context the Reaper action makes sense as, knowing everyones going to die anyway, they grab the genetic code and building blocks for life and hide them safely away. Only coming out to harvest new life.

Once the galaxies collide, when ever that occurs, the Reapers arrive in whatever state the galaxies are left in and re-seed planets. An act which kills them as the goo iinside them is neccessary for them to function.

@alleyd
It's an interesting idea. If only the SC had said this instead of 'You wouldn't understand luv now submit to ma unltimate auth-oritaaaayyyy.'

(Yesssh the SC came out a bit Eric Cartman there)

[BlueStorm83]

--- Don't worry about the galactic collide; Galaxies are more than 99% empty space. And the relative speeds might be high, but the sheer size of a galactic collision would make the actual "colliding" take thousands, if not millions, of years. Solid objects would most likely never touch each other, and while the gravitational forces would rearrange our current galactic layout, and even if our current star or planet would be ejected from the galactic mass, Galactic Collision usually results in either two malformed Galaxies that are still functional and replenishing, or one melded galaxy.

So a Galactic Collision, while scary sounding, can actually be a GOOD thing for a Galaxy's civilizations. It would potentially give you more worlds to explore and colonize, or even allow you to colonize a whole new galaxy. In Mass Effect, this would be SUPER good, since you could migrate a couple Mass Relays to the new Galaxy and provide for near instant travel between the two.

So in summation, Galactic Collision provides many new opportunities, and chances are would not kill anyone at all.

[Redbelle]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- Don't worry about the galactic collide; Galaxies are more than 99% empty space. And the relative speeds might be high, but the sheer size of a galactic collision would make the actual "colliding" take thousands, if not millions, of years. Solid objects would most likely never touch each other, and while the gravitational forces would rearrange our current galactic layout, and even if our current star or planet would be ejected from the galactic mass, Galactic Collision usually results in either two malformed Galaxies that are still functional and replenishing, or one melded galaxy.

So a Galactic Collision, while scary sounding, can actually be a GOOD thing for a Galaxy's civilizations. It would potentially give you more worlds to explore and colonize, or even allow you to colonize a whole new galaxy. In Mass Effect, this would be SUPER good, since you could migrate a couple Mass Relays to the new Galaxy and provide for near instant travel between the two.

So in summation, Galactic Collision provides many new opportunities, and chances are would not kill anyone at all.

I'm not worried about galaxies colliding. Just putting forward the idea of how such a predicted future event could be used narratively to explain the motivations of the Catalsyt that does not dispute previously established in game events.

Point taken about it not being a cataclysmic event though.

Modifié par Redbelle, 02 juin 2012 - 12:42 .

[No_MSG]

Redbelle wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- Don't worry about the galactic collide; Galaxies are more than 99% empty space. And the relative speeds might be high, but the sheer size of a galactic collision would make the actual "colliding" take thousands, if not millions, of years. Solid objects would most likely never touch each other, and while the gravitational forces would rearrange our current galactic layout, and even if our current star or planet would be ejected from the galactic mass, Galactic Collision usually results in either two malformed Galaxies that are still functional and replenishing, or one melded galaxy.

So a Galactic Collision, while scary sounding, can actually be a GOOD thing for a Galaxy's civilizations. It would potentially give you more worlds to explore and colonize, or even allow you to colonize a whole new galaxy. In Mass Effect, this would be SUPER good, since you could migrate a couple Mass Relays to the new Galaxy and provide for near instant travel between the two.

So in summation, Galactic Collision provides many new opportunities, and chances are would not kill anyone at all.

I'm not worried about galaxies colliding. Just putting forward the idea of how such a predicted future event could be used narratively to explain the motivations of the Catalsyt that does not dispute previously established in game events.

Point taken about it not being a cataclysmic event though.

Come on, you know if the Catalyst was trying to prevent galaxy collision, his solution would be to destroy most of the Milky Way, so that they don't collide.  

[3DandBeyond]

No_MSG wrote...

Come on, you know if the Catalyst was trying to prevent galaxy collision, his solution would be to destroy most of the Milky Way, so that they don't collide.  

This fits in with the definition of logic newly invented by the Catalyst; any idea which uses the most amount of words and makes the least sense.  Use of ideas in a sentence to form conclusions based on possible, but uncertain events and assert that they are true even though they aren't.

In fact, it seems certain that had the Catalyst really existed, these things would make sense:

People would take sledgehammers to their cars to destroy them, so they would not get into crashes and destroy them.
People would starve themselves to avoid not having food and starving.
People would shoot themselves in order to avoid someone shooting them.
In fact, people would kill themselves in any number of ways so they could avoid dying.  The only problem would be they couldn't die in many different ways to avoid dying by those different methods.

[BlueStorm83]

No_MSG wrote...

Come on, you know if the Catalyst was trying to prevent galaxy collision, his solution would be to destroy most of the Milky Way, so that they don't collide.  

Very true.  Then he would force the rest of the Milky Way to merge with the other Galaxy too.  And also murder earth for no damn good reason.

---  Seriously, how in the HELL did anyone make that ending?  If I were writing that, and I re-read what I'd written, I'd say, "Oh God, there must be a gas leak and I'm suffering brain damage.  I've got to run for my life, AFTER I delete this travesty!"