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[No_MSG]

In an early english class, I was taught when telling a story "Show, don't tell." And I think that's where Bioware fell completely flat. They TELL me that the synthetics will destroy all organic life, when I've been SHOWN the complete opposite. They TELL me Reapers are unstoppable, when I've been SHOWN the opposite.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

MSandt wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

It undoes
everything that the player does because what was the point of curing the
genopage if the krogan are gonna die in my solar system what was the
point of saving the geth or quarians if they're going to die in our
solar system or I kill them by picking the destroy option

Yes, it's a bleak prospect (which of course doesn't mean it's bad, i.e., wrong) but not every representative of those species ended up getting stuck in our solar system. Wars have a bad habit of weeding out some of the finest. They helped saved their species at the cost of ending up being permanently (maybe) disconnected from their homeworld. Who said wars are cheap?

Why
would i want to force everyone to be the same or force everybody to be
have machine or half organic and destroy the whole purpose of bringing
completely different and unqiue races to fight to deafeat a enemy

There were other choices, each one being problematic but all of which get the job done.

this
ending is bad because we don't beat the reapers because all our actions
hold no effect on the ending and we give in or submit to the very enemy
we brought the whole galaxy to fight against not submit to their
creators circular logic

Yes you do beat the Reapers and no, you don't give in. Everything you came there to do, you have a chance to do.

then you and I mustve of played two drasticlly different games since the catalyst said that he created the reapers that their our his solution why after destroying organic like for thousand or millions of years automaticlly turn all sweet heart on us and since I can still see his reapers destroying my forces in the back ground he used circular logic to back up his claim about how his synthetics kill organics so they won't make synthetics that will kill them this is broken circular logic

He claims that he is trying to protect us from synthetics but he uses the reaper code to control the geth to have them kill us

The quarians attacked the geth first and the geth only defended themselves and fought back but allowed the quarians to leave rannoch and be able to survive they didn't want to fight them anymore until the reaper code came in from the reapers hence why after you set the geth free that they want to work by your side or help the quarians rebuild their world

The creator will always be destroyed by their creator logic does not work because the quarians attack the geth first the geth never wanted to fight  and they even cooperate with them later on

The catalyst forces shepard into 3 twisted suicide options that will only really benefit the reapers or lock or trap our own forces

We don't really defeat the reapers because 2 out of the 3 endings they still live and we give into their creator

Who by all means is most likely decieveing shepard and leading him or her to ruin and we don't beat the reapers under our own steam


Control can not happen because it has never been possiable before and anyone who ever thought they could control the reapers ended up be controlled themselves plus shepard body is destroyed so he or she can't control them anyway if he or she is dead

Once synthesis bad options destroys the purpose of all three games by destroying individuality by forcing everyone to be the same and forcing them to be half machine or half organic against their will destroys any true sense of evolution or freedom or bring different races together to accomplish a goal which is to defeat the reapers

Even Javik himself said that the reason they couldn't beat the reapers because they were too much the same and couldn't adapt

Destroy another terrible options ends up killing the geth and the quarians which you spent several hours to save or to bring peace between them

Reasons why shepard couldn't have survived is

Shepard from project lazarus has synthetics parts in his or her body now without these said parts it would most likely hurt shepards chance of being alive that and taking the explosion from the red cantainer to the face and if the crucible explodes or gets destroyed during atmospheric reentry into earth it would not be enough for shepard to live

Vigil from Ilos also said that the reapers turn off the mass relays so that the reapers could have a easyer time harvesting them so if they explode it would only makes the reapers job more simple because now our forces are pretty much trapt with no way to go and the reapers could easily harvest us or they die in outerspace by runing out of resources

In 2 endings the reapers live and will most likely commit genocide again on us 50 thousand years from now or kill us again when they get the chance nothing so far has proved otherwise that they won't


Any sense of accomplishment or anything you done for all three games get flushed down the toliet with a you lose no matter what scenario


The false advertizing that our actions would affect or possibly change the ending that it wouldn't end like a  abc ending but it does the whole you can end the story the way you want is crap because we honestly can't

Before you tell me that a bleak or bittersweet ending is the only thing that can end the series that has been about choices and actions matter is blatant crap because

We had a victory ending in me1 we also had one in me2

And I gather all my war assets unite the entire galaxy including the geth and quarians and everybody else I should have the option to denie the false assertions of the catalysts and depending on my ems actually beat them

LIKE I CAME TO DO

I agree with you nmsg

[BlueStorm83]

No_MSG wrote...

In an early english class, I was taught when telling a story "Show, don't tell." And I think that's where Bioware fell completely flat. They TELL me that the synthetics will destroy all organic life, when I've been SHOWN the complete opposite. They TELL me Reapers are unstoppable, when I've been SHOWN the opposite.

---  If I can kill 3 reapers, one with a targeting laser, one with a mini-nuke, and one with a DAMN WORM, then I can't accept that the combined Sword Fleet can't get the job done.  And that's not counting Soverign, who we all blew up in ME1, and Reaper Doug, who I dropped into a Brown Dwarf in ME2 after stealing his "Hi, my name is Doug" card so I could get through the Omega Relay.

Also, just considered: Geth can function just fine in space, they don't bother to even pressurize their orbital stations: wouldn't it be wonderful to have them board reapers and slowly kill them from the inside?  Like germs!  Then you cannibalize the corpse and just make it a ship, then do it all again.
There were no baddies inside of Doug besides the Husks, weren't there?  Oh, there were Robots.  I MISS THE ROBOTS FROM ME2!  Sigh.

[MSandt]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I agree with you that gods can be evil.  What I am saying is that no matter what this being, whatever it is creates justifications for things in ways that make no sense.  What I've always said is that what the kid believes is moot.  According to where Shepard is standing, the effect of what the kid is doing is evil.

But from Shepard's point of view the validity of the Catalyst's beliefs hardly matters at that point. But the beliefs themselves are hardly moot as they're behind the system the Catalyst built and as such they're a limiting factor in in what Shepard is able to do at that point. As I said in my earlier post, the Catalyst built the system believing what he did, whether he was correct in his beliefs or not.

Refuted by the Catalyst himself.  He says the Citadel is a part of him.  There is nothing to say that the Protheans knew that much about this at all, since the Catalyst says the Citadel is not the Catalyst.

"A part of him", i.e., a part of the same organism. There's no significant difference here.

I've not said I need to know who he is because I've already seen what he does and I want to smash his face in.  But, I think people (maybe not you) would have a completely different opinion about trusting him or making a choice (and then agree Bioware needed to include an option to reject) if the kid looked like Harbinger or Sovereign or a beast with huge tentacles that shot acid.  Heck, Shepard didn't even trust the AI that was siphoning money on the Citadel, but Shepard trusts this AI that has been killing and has killed trillions of people?

Again, what choice did she have? She had invested everything in the Crucible and at the end of her journey its true nature was revealed: there was no plan B that she could have fallen back to, not at that point. You suggested there should've been an option to reject the Catalyst's proposition entirely. This would have equaled letting the Reapers destroy every advanced civilization, the very thing you tried to prevent from happening. Previously you argued against t Shepard acting uncharacteristically and here you're complaining that she is not allowed to do so.

Moreover, the fact remains that the system did what the Catalyst said it would.

The problem again with all that is that all you have is the kid's word for any of this.  He could be lying. 

I'm asking that you think about this.  Some guy brings a lot of thugs to your neighborhood and he tells you he controls them.  He has them kill your neighbors (the ones you like), he has them kill some of your family members.  He beats you to within an inch of your life and makes you kill a man you care deeply for.  Not only is he having people killed, but he's making them into pudding.  And when you meet him, he tells you he is doing this for your good and for the good of the neighborhood.  But, now that he's met you he has new options.  And by the way he is one huge massive infected looking person or he's a cutie that looks like your best friend's son.  But, either way you know this guy is still killing people-in fact, one of his thugs is torturing your sister right now.  Do you trust him?  I'm not asking if you are forced to do something, but only if you believe him when he says he now wants to change because he met you?

I don't believe in God, but if God came down from heaven at that very moment and told me that he could help me stop the thugs (thugs he's responsible for creating) by giving me a submachine gun, and that he would do so if I asked him to, then yeah, I'd have little choice but to trust him, with reservations. Of course, I wouldn't approve of his behavior (why didn't he stop them in the first place? why did he created them in the first place?), but that would be beside the point.

[BlueStorm83]

--- I'd like to point out that there CAN'T be a non bittersweet ending to Mass Effect 3. Even if Shepard and all friends at the end live, here's what we've all lost:

Thane
Legion
Mordin or Wrex
Anderson
Navigator Pressley
Ashley or Kaiden
Tali's father
Liara's mother
At least the Admiral's crew from the Quarrian fleet.
Kal'Reegar
Lt. Victus and his team
The Illusive Man (say what you want, I admired his dedication and determination, even if he did go nuts)
Nihilus
Vigil (powered down after we left, couldn't be re-awakened)
Javik's entire race
Conrad's Wife probably left him
Billions of Humans
Billions of Asari
Billions of Turians
Millions (weren't that many to start with) of Krogan
The greatest cities on Earth
The greatest cities on Palaven
The greatest cities on Thessia
The Krogan Mechanic
The kid that we all hate by now from the ME3 opening
Probably very many on the Citadel, if not all of them
Councillor Udina (Again, respected his determination, if he was an underhanded slug)
Some of Jack's students from before I got there

And that's just what I thought of. Even if Shepard lives at the end, even if all the crew alive at the beginning of the mission live, even if we can destroy the reapers without losing a SINGLE SHIP from the fleet, the price is DAMN high for victory. Bittersweet was a forgone conclusion. Confusing as all **** and frustrating as it robs you of control and personality is simply unnecessary and nonsensical.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MSandt wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

It undoes
everything that the player does because what was the point of curing the
genopage if the krogan are gonna die in my solar system what was the
point of saving the geth or quarians if they're going to die in our
solar system or I kill them by picking the destroy option

Yes, it's a bleak prospect (which of course doesn't mean it's bad, i.e., wrong) but not every representative of those species ended up getting stuck in our solar system. Wars have a bad habit of weeding out some of the finest. They helped saved their species at the cost of ending up being permanently (maybe) disconnected from their homeworld. Who said wars are cheap?

Why
would i want to force everyone to be the same or force everybody to be
have machine or half organic and destroy the whole purpose of bringing
completely different and unqiue races to fight to deafeat a enemy

There were other choices, each one being problematic but all of which get the job done.

this
ending is bad because we don't beat the reapers because all our actions
hold no effect on the ending and we give in or submit to the very enemy
we brought the whole galaxy to fight against not submit to their
creators circular logic

Yes you do beat the Reapers and no, you don't give in. Everything you came there to do, you have a chance to do.

then you and I mustve of played two drasticlly different games since the catalyst said that he created the reapers that their our his solution why after destroying organic like for thousand or millions of years automaticlly turn all sweet heart on us and since I can still see his reapers destroying my forces in the back ground he used circular logic to back up his claim about how his synthetics kill organics so they won't make synthetics that will kill them this is broken circular logic

He claims that he is trying to protect us from synthetics but he uses the reaper code to control the geth to have them kill us

The quarians attacked the geth first and the geth only defended themselves and fought back but allowed the quarians to leave rannoch and be able to survive they didn't want to fight them anymore until the reaper code came in from the reapers hence why after you set the geth free that they want to work by your side or help the quarians rebuild their world

The creator will always be destroyed by their creator logic does not work because the quarians attack the geth first the geth never wanted to fight  and they even cooperate with them later on

The catalyst forces shepard into 3 twisted suicide options that will only really benefit the reapers or lock or trap our own forces

We don't really defeat the reapers because 2 out of the 3 endings they still live and we give into their creator

Who by all means is most likely decieveing shepard and leading him or her to ruin and we don't beat the reapers under our own steam


Control can not happen because it has never been possiable before and anyone who ever thought they could control the reapers ended up be controlled themselves plus shepard body is destroyed so he or she can't control them anyway if he or she is dead

Once synthesis bad options destroys the purpose of all three games by destroying individuality by forcing everyone to be the same and forcing them to be half machine or half organic against their will destroys any true sense of evolution or freedom or bring different races together to accomplish a goal which is to defeat the reapers

Even Javik himself said that the reason they couldn't beat the reapers because they were too much the same and couldn't adapt

Destroy another terrible options ends up killing the geth and the quarians which you spent several hours to save or to bring peace between them

Reasons why shepard couldn't have survived is

Shepard from project lazarus has synthetics parts in his or her body now without these said parts it would most likely hurt shepards chance of being alive that and taking the explosion from the red cantainer to the face and if the crucible explodes or gets destroyed during atmospheric reentry into earth it would not be enough for shepard to live

Vigil from Ilos also said that the reapers turn off the mass relays so that the reapers could have a easyer time harvesting them so if they explode it would only makes the reapers job more simple because now our forces are pretty much trapt with no way to go and the reapers could easily harvest us or they die in outerspace by runing out of resources

In 2 endings the reapers live and will most likely commit genocide again on us 50 thousand years from now or kill us again when they get the chance nothing so far has proved otherwise that they won't


Any sense of accomplishment or anything you done for all three games get flushed down the toliet with a you lose no matter what scenario


The false advertizing that our actions would affect or possibly change the ending that it wouldn't end like a  abc ending but it does the whole you can end the story the way you want is crap because we honestly can't

Before you tell me that a bleak or bittersweet ending is the only thing that can end the series that has been about choices and actions matter is blatant crap because

We had a victory ending in me1 we also had one in me2

And I gather all my war assets unite the entire galaxy including the geth and quarians and everybody else I should have the option to denie the false assertions of the catalysts and depending on my ems actually beat them

LIKE I CAME TO DO

I agree with you nmsg

The wole point is that we didn't really win and the reapers did no matter what we do

[BlueStorm83]

MSandt wrote...
I don't believe in God, but if God came down from heaven at that very moment and told me that he could help me stop the thugs (thugs he's responsible for creating) by giving me a submachine gun, and that he would do so if I asked him to, then yeah, I'd have little choice but to trust him, with reservations. Of course, I wouldn't approve of his behavior (why didn't he stop them in the first place? why did he created them in the first place?), but that would be beside the point.

---  God also created YOU.  The Catalyst did not create Organic Life.

Also, if God gave you an SMG to save you, good for you.  Still makes it a crap ending from out of the blue wherein NOTHING you did before that moment mattered worth a quarter of a wombat's ballsack.

[LiarasShield]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

MSandt wrote...
I don't believe in God, but if God came down from heaven at that very moment and told me that he could help me stop the thugs (thugs he's responsible for creating) by giving me a submachine gun, and that he would do so if I asked him to, then yeah, I'd have little choice but to trust him, with reservations. Of course, I wouldn't approve of his behavior (why didn't he stop them in the first place? why did he created them in the first place?), but that would be beside the point.

---  God also created YOU.  The Catalyst did not create Organic Life.

Also, if God gave you an SMG to save you, good for you.  Still makes it a crap ending from out of the blue wherein NOTHING you did before that moment mattered worth a quarter of a wombat's ballsack.

What can we say it seems like defeat and submission is ok for some reapers can die we killed several in me3 we destroyed a human reaper in me2 and soverign wasn't invulnerable so if shepard and small crew can defeat a few reapers then why can't a entire armada made up of thee entire galaxy not be able to truely destroy them or have a true fighting chance come on!!!


Their is only so much bs that they can get away with u_u

[BlueStorm83]

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

[babachewie]

Wow I've been off for a few weeks and come back to see whats up and the same people are still here complaining about the same things. Truly sad. 3 months night and day fanatically crying.

[babachewie]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

Dude you're a ****ing idiot. Sure he did some really cool **** back in the day? Like go to the freaking moon you mean? What the hell do you do for a living besides **** on the internet about a video game you turd. Kill yourself. You're not even half the person any of those people are. Just a sad sad turd floating in the toilet bowl of fanboy life. 

Modifié par babachewie, 05 juin 2012 - 03:10 .

[Benchpress610]

babachewie wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

Dude you're a ****ing idiot. Sure he did some really cool **** back in the day? Like go to the freaking moon you mean? What the hell do you do for a living besides **** on the internet about a video game you turd. Kill yourself. You're not even half the person any of those people are. Just a sad sad turd floating in the toilet bowl of fanboy life. 

Hey dude, it's OK if you disagree. But that doesn't give you the right to insult or resort to personal attacks. Please refrain of such behavior or you will be reported.

[daveyeisley]

I am becoming more and more suspicious of posters stating they love the ending in this thread. Seems like they all have some ulterior motive.... anything but actually discussing the facts of the ending content. Maybe they want to "correct" the opinions of people who are unhappy, or they get a kick out of starting arguments, or maybe they are drones who have been incentivised to express positive reactions.

I hate to think it, but I even wonder if some might be actualy BW employees or associates who are trying to 'pad the pro-ender' numbers, as pointless as that exercise would be.

I sadly find these suspicious motives more reasonable than the idea that these people are being truthful. So sad... no matter what the reason is.

I am glad they have what they want, sure.... but I am sad because they don't seem to know why anyone would expect better.

[akenn312]

daveyeisley wrote...

I am becoming more and more suspicious of posters stating they love the ending in this thread. Seems like they all have some ulterior motive.... anything but actually discussing the facts of the ending content. Maybe they want to "correct" the opinions of people who are unhappy, or they get a kick out of starting arguments, or maybe they are drones who have been incentivised to express positive reactions.

I hate to think it, but I even wonder if some might be actualy BW employees or associates who are trying to 'pad the pro-ender' numbers, as pointless as that exercise would be.

I sadly find these suspicious motives more reasonable than the idea that these people are being truthful. So sad... no matter what the reason is.

I am glad they have what they want, sure.... but I am sad because they don't seem to know why anyone would expect better.

I'm with you there, some of these posts make no sense. They totally avoid the stuff that clearly shows obvious mistakes. Like I said before previously it just does not make sense people are not noticing how Bioware completely junked most of it's previous story and basic science setups in past games to pump out this new version. 

Also acting like the people that do see these obvious errors are in the minority or some faction trying to take Bioware over. Huh? This game out of the blue suddenly makes a Cain able to take down a Spider Reaper without it even opening itself up to fire it's laser, how is that not against everything they showed us from Mass Effect - Mass Effect 3?

What changed all of a sudden? Again that is just lazy and easy to call out. It's not some conspiracy theory anyone cooked up. In the Rannoch mission they went in great detail how the Reaper needed to open itself up to be destroyed by the whole Quarian Fleet now a Cain is that powerful to blow up a closed Reaper? We are just supposed to accept that? C'mon.

When I first played in the first chapter when they showed a Dreadnought fighting against the Reaper on earth I instantly thought isn't that not possible? I know I read in a Codex that Dreadnoughts could not just hover in the atmosphere. But I figured I could be wrong or something changed with tech, When they talked about the London conduit I thought...What about the Ilos conduit what happened to that? That's a logical question. 

But all these posters act like we are creating these things out of the blue makes no sense. When you stupidly run down to the London conduit your squad is with you then they disappear after you get blasted. Why get upset that people are calling that out? It's a huge error. 

Not getting the logic with these people that say it works and makes sense, or the anger. It's not like this is made up it's right there to see in plain sight. 

Maybe it's more about the more we point out how bad all this is, the more it has a chance to ruin what they didn't notice? Kind  of like a "Don't ruin this for me." mentality? I don't know.

Modifié par akenn312, 05 juin 2012 - 04:27 .

[daveyeisley]

Yup.

I have no interest in repeating my old posts, but not one.... not a single person who has spoken in favor of the endings has been able to explain why they believe it was 'good' without ignoring facts, or making stuff up to suit their position.

Not a single one.

Trying to direct them to what they have missed or imagined just results in circular arguments where they refuse to admit the anti-enders actually have a point (or multiple points).

If its not deliberate attempts at trolling, it is willful or impressively oblivious ignorance.

[Voodoo-j]

babachewie wrote...

Wow I've been off for a few weeks and come back to see whats up and the same people are still here complaining about the same things. Truly sad. 3 months night and day fanatically crying.

Why you have the tears?
Most just want a response, no kleenex needed.

Must be the one sided conversation.
I love that there has been no response as well, but hey thanks for crying, someone is listening.

See, your coming back to respond to this post for the same reason, thanks for agreeing.
But don't worry soon enough there will be answers, soon enough, your misery can end.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 05 juin 2012 - 07:23 .

[Voodoo-j]

babachewie wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

Dude you're a ****ing idiot. Sure he did some really cool **** back in the day? Like go to the freaking moon you mean? What the hell do you do for a living besides **** on the internet about a video game you turd. Kill yourself. You're not even half the person any of those people are. Just a sad sad turd floating in the toilet bowl of fanboy life. 

Is this the new internet meme? 
To troll you have to be a hypocrite?
Your top notch there, you should create your own thread with bubbles and fill it with your crying there, I'm sure you 2 could fill it with tears quite quickly.

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 05 juin 2012 - 07:58 .

[Voodoo-j]

daveyeisley wrote...

I am becoming more and more suspicious of posters stating they love the ending in this thread. Seems like they all have some ulterior motive.... anything but actually discussing the facts of the ending content. Maybe they want to "correct" the opinions of people who are unhappy, or they get a kick out of starting arguments, or maybe they are drones who have been incentivised to express positive reactions.

I hate to think it, but I even wonder if some might be actualy BW employees or associates who are trying to 'pad the pro-ender' numbers, as pointless as that exercise would be.

I sadly find these suspicious motives more reasonable than the idea that these people are being truthful. So sad... no matter what the reason is.

I am glad they have what they want, sure.... but I am sad because they don't seem to know why anyone would expect better.

I have also wondered this as well, as whoever hides behind some of these names does show some level of intelligence, they just dumb it down with hipocrisy and name calling, and statements they can't back up.

But every so often statement showing a much higher level of thought, and creativity.

Honestly, in the end, they are crying for the same reason, we are justly disgruntled with, they too are waiting for the answer that will end this thread.  The only difference is their words voice a childs response, crying out loud and clear that they are upset that this is still an issue yet to be resolved.

[Redbelle]

sdinc009 wrote...

Watched all 5 parts of this analysis and though I don't share all of his opinions the literary analyis is extremely top-notch. I would urge everyone to watch all 5 parts of this.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qa81mq3744&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZytHg7THYPk&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW2ZxnkUHCY

Favourite part so far...........

TIM, I have to ask.............. What Have You Been Smoking???

The plot analysis is top notch to and it is here that I have to again point out that suspension of disbelief is crucial to story telling.

If it hadn't been for ME1 and 2 immersing me in the ME universe alot of the points being made would probably be ones I'd be readily agreeing to, as it is I will grudgingly concede the points he made and enjoy it anyway, even if some things are nonsensical. Not to worry, I was indoctrinated to like ME based on the previous entries. The ending saved me from that and that is where I shall direct the majority my attention come the ECDLC because while cracks have been shown in the narrative that could be overlooked........... it was the ending that truely shattered ME3 for me.

[babachewie]

Voodoo-j wrote...

babachewie wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

Dude you're a ****ing idiot. Sure he did some really cool **** back in the day? Like go to the freaking moon you mean? What the hell do you do for a living besides **** on the internet about a video game you turd. Kill yourself. You're not even half the person any of those people are. Just a sad sad turd floating in the toilet bowl of fanboy life. 

Is this the new internet meme? 
To troll you have to be a hypocrite?
Your top notch there, you should create your own thread with bubbles and fill it with your crying there, I'm sure you 2 could fill it with tears quite quickly.

Really? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure it was some type of insult but it was so lame that you'd have to be some type of retard to get it. You're here every day posting like a feaking loser. No life. Just Mass Effect and ****ing. Sad and pathetic just like half the people on here. Get a girlfriend and go outside. Whatever you're waiting on isnt gonna change the what happened. You might as well move on. 

[babachewie]

daveyeisley wrote...

Yup.

I have no interest in repeating my old posts, but not one.... not a single person who has spoken in favor of the endings has been able to explain why they believe it was 'good' without ignoring facts, or making stuff up to suit their position.

Not a single one.

Trying to direct them to what they have missed or imagined just results in circular arguments where they refuse to admit the anti-enders actually have a point (or multiple points).

If its not deliberate attempts at trolling, it is willful or impressively oblivious ignorance.

Stupid statement is stupid. You're obviouslynot looking hard enough or just closing your eyes and plugging your ears. I could just as easily say that nobody who hates the ending has giving a great reason why they dont like it with looking like a whining ignorant turd who can't see the anwsers right in front of them. Not a single one

[babachewie]

Benchpress610 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

Dude you're a ****ing idiot. Sure he did some really cool **** back in the day? Like go to the freaking moon you mean? What the hell do you do for a living besides **** on the internet about a video game you turd. Kill yourself. You're not even half the person any of those people are. Just a sad sad turd floating in the toilet bowl of fanboy life. 

Hey dude, it's OK if you disagree. But that doesn't give you the right to insult or resort to personal attacks. Please refrain of such behavior or you will be reported.

Dude shut up. What are you his mom or something?

Modifié par babachewie, 05 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[Redbelle]

Sorry, just need to point out

Technically the ECDLC is a direct result of the ME fans needing more closure to the ending. And while you are correct it won't change anything, as BW have alluded to, it should close several of the plot holes evident in the end narrative.

Also, can you expand on the whole moving on comment? Were you referring to moving on from the issue of the ending, or ME as a whole, i,e. clean the data off computer? I ask as BW have a vested financial interest in keeping us hooked for SP DLC and micro transactions for the MP.

[Voodoo-j]

babachewie wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

babachewie wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  "The Crucible Changed me."  That's a statement lots of people toss around to defend the way that we're forced to trust Starboy.  Here's a line of my own.

"The Catalyst changed me."  I say that.  Right now.  Wherein before I was out to kill the Reapers; the greatest galactic evil ever, now I am changed.  The Catalyst is the greatest evil in the Mass Effect Universe.  I see new options.  But I can't make them happen without YOUR help, Bioware.  The previous Solution, ending the Reaper War, will no longer work.  Now we have a NEW threat.  You have three options.

You can choose to destroy our enjoyment of the series.  This will make the series end the way it did, but it will also destroy the discontented fans.  If may even make you die a little inside.  Even YOU are part fan of Mass Effect.

You can choose to try and control the fans.  You will infuse us with an Extended Cut that leaves things the way they are, only now you hope that you will appease our outcry that the ending was the polar opposite of the rest of the series.  But you may just lose everything you have.

Or since the fans are collectively PMSing really high (Get what I did there?), you can attempt to Synthesize us.  We can join the Writers' intentions with the Players Choices, and create a new game- I mean, create a new ending that actually acts the way that the games have behaved ever since ME1, or even father back, to KOTOR, oh wait, probably even back to the Black Isle days.  But anyway, this will make us partners in the story again.

Furthermore, Buzz Aldrin can bite me.  Sure, he did some really cool **** back in the day.  But he's no writer, nor a shining beacon of space science.  He was a dude that they thought could survive Space.  The heart of Space Exploration is the scientists who come up with the ways that it happens, not the one guy who sits in a tin can and tries to say profound things to make sound bites.  And Neil Armstrong was a jerkoff.

Dude you're a ****ing idiot. Sure he did some really cool **** back in the day? Like go to the freaking moon you mean? What the hell do you do for a living besides **** on the internet about a video game you turd. Kill yourself. You're not even half the person any of those people are. Just a sad sad turd floating in the toilet bowl of fanboy life. 

Is this the new internet meme? 
To troll you have to be a hypocrite?
Your top notch there, you should create your own thread with bubbles and fill it with your crying there, I'm sure you 2 could fill it with tears quite quickly.

Really? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure it was some type of insult but it was so lame that you'd have to be some type of retard to get it. You're here every day posting like a feaking loser. No life. Just Mass Effect and ****ing. Sad and pathetic just like half the people on here. Get a girlfriend and go outside. Whatever you're waiting on isnt gonna change the what happened. You might as well move on. 

Woot!! you got it!!

And no I don't post here every day.
BTW I'm happily married - 2 lovely kids and a 3rd on the way, so yeah I have a life other than the 30 mins a day I spend on the pc.  

Where as you on the other hand are so hard up, you have to pour tears into a forum about people that are ligitamatly dissastified about a game.

Your different than bubbles.
Appear slightly more ignorant, you must be about 15, my sons age.
Obviously we know why you are here, you have nothing better to do than cry on the forum about people that are upset and ignorantly post about poeple you have no clue about.

Obviously you are a taint to societly, you can't even post in a thread in relation to what it's about.

I'm sure you fail, again, but feel free to try again.