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[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright

I didn't know wars were fought with nerf bullets and marshmallow bombs.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright

I didn't know wars were fought with nerf bullets and marshmallow bombs.

You have already proven in child like capacity that you shouldn't be speaking with adults and highly that you're 40 more like a bluffing 12 year old who gets their kicks for annoying people on random forums pretty sure this isn't the only forum you seek to annoy people

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Shepard during the suicide mission and shepard confrontation of the hologram of harbinger on arrival

Harbinger: you're only delaying thee inevitable shepard we will find another way and you will be destroyed

Shepard: maybe you're right maybe we can't win but we won't give up we may even lose half the galaxy but we will fight and we will sacrifce and we will find a way because that is what humans do.

Shepard: The reapers have never had to stand and fight on the ground they have used run and hit tactics but now we will bring the fight to them. In the next few minutes we either win it all or we lose it all now let get to it!


And for the final cup on the cherry my favorite ost from me2

I don't believe in submission I don't believe into giving my life over to the being who has created the monsters destroying my world and destroying most of the galaxy for thousands of years I don't believe being forced into the decisions that said being wants to see and said being is using his forces to still kill mine why we are having this conversation

I want shepard and myself to stay true to her principles that we fight the reapers to the end to let the alliance give their 110% let them fight to the last tooth and nail against the reapers wether we win  it all or we lose it all at least it would be a honorable death that means something

Shepard wouldn't destroy entire races on a assumption that is why she cured the genopage and saved the quarians and the geth so she wouldn't pick destroy because it ends up destroying the very races she fought to save

shepard wouldn't pick synthesis because she believes in individuality she wouldn't want to force everyone to be half machine or half organic against their will she believes in freedom and making your own choices in this world

Shepard wouldn't pick control because she has seen what it has done to the illusive man and saren that it has only ended up destroying who they are and making them think they're incontrol when they're not


Wether the catalyst is lieing or not is irrelvent no decent being on our planet or galaxy for that matter would even negotiate with this being for the simple fact

THAT HIS FORCES HAVE BEEN DESTROYING OUR WORLDS AND HARVESTING OUR LIVES AND USING
THEIR VERY REAPER CODE TO CONTROL THE GETH TO KILL US INSTEAD OF SUPPOSEDLY SAVING US FROm
SYNTHETICS

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright


Gonna add these two posts together since I feel that this is truely important

[3DandBeyond]

I don't think some people are supporting the "kid". I do think that they feel he's being truthful because they know what happens (when we've been saying that we're talking about what Shepard sees and not what the player ultimately knows) or they think you err on the side of just going along with the kid. Maybe not believing him, but not having a choice (well, you don't have any choice even with the 3 choices) or accepting what he says at face value because he hasn't been shown to want to hurt Shepard.

Ok, that last point makes me want to vomit. He is to be not trusted, but he is not to be not trusted because he isn't trying to kill a dying Shepard? So, we can now forget all the other attempst to kill Shepard and all the other people that are dying while the kid and Shepard are having a chat? Yes, we can because he's being nice to Shepard. Oh, and he really might mean well or maybe he's trying to do good things.

Ok, he's Mother Theresa with flamethrower Uzis the size of super huge skyscrapers, who isn't trying to kill someone who can help him (the very definition of an unselfish reason), but is killing thousands while he tries to get the dying person to help him. Yes, he's very not not trustable.


This is what people are really doing.  They are not not trusting him based upon evidence he says is true.  Contrary to this is the fact they fully did not not not trust TIM, who was under the kid's control and either got him to kill himself or shot him themselves.  They also believe the reapers under the kid's control are evil maniacal killing machines and want to destroy them.  So, it's far better to be the "kid" than to be someone or something under his control.  Things under his control are evil and must be destroyed.  On the other hand, he might be trying to do some good and so he must be not not trusted.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 06 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright

I didn't know wars were fought with nerf bullets and marshmallow bombs.

You have already proven in child like capacity that you shouldn't be speaking with adults and highly that you're 40 more like a bluffing 12 year old who gets their kicks for annoying people on random forums pretty sure this isn't the only forum you seek to annoy people

You know whats really annoying????? The fact that you cant seem to
handle that during a war stuff get destroyed..... Why do you expect
Shepard to magically transform all the loses and destruction into happy
rainbow time? There is liking the story and then there is you wishing
nothing bad ever happens in it....that would make for a crappy story no
matter the ending.

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I don't think some people are supporting the "kid". I do think that they feel he's being truthful because they know what happens (when we've been saying that we're talking about what Shepard sees and not what the player ultimately knows) or they think you err on the side of just going along with the kid. Maybe not believing him, but not having a choice (well, you don't have any choice even with the 3 choices) or accepting what he says at face value because he hasn't been shown to want to hurt Shepard.

Ok, that last point makes me want to vomit. He is to be not trusted, but he is not to be not trusted because he isn't trying to kill a dying Shepard? So, we can now forget all the other attempst to kill Shepard and all the other people that are dying while the kid and Shepard are having a chat? Yes, we can because he's being nice to Shepard. Oh, and he really might mean well or maybe he's trying to do good things.

Ok, he's Mother Theresa with flamethrower Uzis the size of super huge skyscrapers, who isn't trying to kill someone who can help him (the very definition of an unselfish reason), but is killing thousands while he tries to get the dying person to help him. Yes, he's very not not trustable.

It is called taking it on faith. Shepard already knows if she does
nothing they all die so she has to take it on faith that she isn't being
snowed. Better to have tried and failed then to have never tried at all.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright

I didn't know wars were fought with nerf bullets and marshmallow bombs.

You have already proven in child like capacity that you shouldn't be speaking with adults and highly that you're 40 more like a bluffing 12 year old who gets their kicks for annoying people on random forums pretty sure this isn't the only forum you seek to annoy people

You know whats really annoying????? The fact that you cant seem to
handle that during a war stuff get destroyed..... Why do you expect
Shepard to magically transform all the loses and destruction into happy
rainbow time? There is liking the story and then there is you wishing
nothing bad ever happens in it....that would make for a crappy story no
matter the ending.

No you baffoon I don't expect him or her to transform anything into magical roses I don't believe into giving into the enemy who has destroyed our world and mostly everybody elses just even a conversation with the catalyst can not work for all the harm he has caused and shepard personally would not even negoiate with said being or pick any of the choices he thinks are ok

[LiarasShield]

Better to die fighting for your forces and not giving up then submitting into the being who has created the reapers who has destroyed mostly all of earth except london and everyone elses world not only would shepard not accept this the other races wouldn't want shepard to

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I don't think some people are supporting the "kid". I do think that they feel he's being truthful because they know what happens (when we've been saying that we're talking about what Shepard sees and not what the player ultimately knows) or they think you err on the side of just going along with the kid. Maybe not believing him, but not having a choice (well, you don't have any choice even with the 3 choices) or accepting what he says at face value because he hasn't been shown to want to hurt Shepard.

Ok, that last point makes me want to vomit. He is to be not trusted, but he is not to be not trusted because he isn't trying to kill a dying Shepard? So, we can now forget all the other attempst to kill Shepard and all the other people that are dying while the kid and Shepard are having a chat? Yes, we can because he's being nice to Shepard. Oh, and he really might mean well or maybe he's trying to do good things.

Ok, he's Mother Theresa with flamethrower Uzis the size of super huge skyscrapers, who isn't trying to kill someone who can help him (the very definition of an unselfish reason), but is killing thousands while he tries to get the dying person to help him. Yes, he's very not not trustable.

It is called taking it on faith. Shepard already knows if she does
nothing they all die so she has to take it on faith that she isn't being
snowed. Better to have tried and failed then to have never tried at all.

It's not faith, it's submission.

However you don't place faith in evil beings.  Shepard has no reason to believe that in doing nothing they will all die.  In fact, they have used conventional weapons to destroy reapers.  Shepard also has no reason to believe that making a choice won't make things far worse.  Occam's razor would apply in any rational person's mind.  The leap of faith would have to be over the Grand Canyon.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 06 juin 2012 - 01:55 .

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I don't think some people are supporting the "kid". I do think that they feel he's being truthful because they know what happens (when we've been saying that we're talking about what Shepard sees and not what the player ultimately knows) or they think you err on the side of just going along with the kid. Maybe not believing him, but not having a choice (well, you don't have any choice even with the 3 choices) or accepting what he says at face value because he hasn't been shown to want to hurt Shepard.

Ok, that last point makes me want to vomit. He is to be not trusted, but he is not to be not trusted because he isn't trying to kill a dying Shepard? So, we can now forget all the other attempst to kill Shepard and all the other people that are dying while the kid and Shepard are having a chat? Yes, we can because he's being nice to Shepard. Oh, and he really might mean well or maybe he's trying to do good things.

Ok, he's Mother Theresa with flamethrower Uzis the size of super huge skyscrapers, who isn't trying to kill someone who can help him (the very definition of an unselfish reason), but is killing thousands while he tries to get the dying person to help him. Yes, he's very not not trustable.

It is called taking it on faith. Shepard already knows if she does
nothing they all die so she has to take it on faith that she isn't being
snowed. Better to have tried and failed then to have never tried at all.

You take positive things on faith. However you don't place faith in evil beings.  Shepard has no reason to believe that in doing nothing they will all die.  In fact, they have used conventional weapons to destroy reapers.  Shepard also has no reason to believe that making a choice won't make things far worse.  Occam's razor would apply in any rational person's mind.  The leap of faith would have to be over the Grand Canyon.

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Better to die fighting for your forces and not giving up then submitting into the being who has created the reapers who has destroyed mostly all of earth except london and everyone elses world not only would shepard not accept this the other races wouldn't want shepard to

So it is better all die so you dont have to make a hard decision????

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

[LiarasShield]

Shepard during the suicide mission and shepard confrontation of the hologram of harbinger on arrival

Harbinger: you're only delaying thee inevitable shepard we will find another way and you will be destroyed

Shepard: maybe you're right maybe we can't win but we won't give up we may even lose half the galaxy but we will fight and we will sacrifce and we will find a way because that is what humans do.

Shepard: The reapers have never had to stand and fight on the ground they have used run and hit tactics but now we will bring the fight to them. In the next few minutes we either win it all or we lose it all now let get to it!


And for the final cup on the cherry my favorite ost from me2





I don't believe in submission I don't believe into giving my life over to the being who has created the monsters destroying my world and destroying most of the galaxy for thousands of years I don't believe being forced into the decisions that said being wants to see and said being is using his forces to still kill mine why we are having this conversation

I want shepard and myself to stay true to her principles that we fight the reapers to the end to let the alliance give their 110% let them fight to the last tooth and nail against the reapers wether we win  it all or we lose it all at least it would be a honorable death that means something

Shepard wouldn't destroy entire races on a assumption that is why she cured the genopage and saved the quarians and the geth so she wouldn't pick destroy because it ends up destroying the very races she fought to save

shepard wouldn't pick synthesis because she believes in individuality she wouldn't want to force everyone to be half machine or half organic against their will she believes in freedom and making your own choices in this world

Shepard wouldn't pick control because she has seen what it has done to the illusive man and saren that it has only ended up destroying who they are and making them think they're incontrol when they're not


Wether the catalyst is lieing or not is irrelvent no decent being on our planet or galaxy for that matter would even negotiate with this being for the simple fact

THAT HIS FORCES HAVE BEEN DESTROYING OUR WORLDS AND HARVESTING OUR LIVES AND USING
THEIR VERY REAPER CODE TO CONTROL THE GETH TO KILL US INSTEAD OF SUPPOSEDLY SAVING US FROm
SYNTHETICS[/quote]

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright


Gonna add these two posts together since I feel that this is truely important


You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst

[sdinc009]

Reposting these links for anyone that wants an ME 3 literary analysis and the last one is a link to the forum that has the Professor of Literatures comments.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qa81mq3744&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZytHg7THYPk&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW2ZxnkUHCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT_x64921ls


http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11435886

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst

There is no absolutes in life or this game....I dont know where you thought there was.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst

There is no absolutes in life or this game....I dont know where you thought there was.

You really are blind or ignorant of the world around you to think that any sensible being would let this go or to accept that our entire world was pretty much destroyed without us coming back and beating their faces in for doing so

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Better to die fighting for your forces and not giving up then submitting into the being who has created the reapers who has destroyed mostly all of earth except london and everyone elses world not only would shepard not accept this the other races wouldn't want shepard to

So it is better all die so you dont have to make a hard decision????

Ok, I know you don't want to have a real discussion.  Past is prologue.

It is better to die than to submit.  If the kid, evil in a glowing kid form, has been doing evil things and moved the Citadel close to Earth to make harvesting easier, then it is very possible the choices might also make harvesting easier.  So, in making that decision Shepard may do exactly what Shepard doesn't want to do.

But even if Shepard takes the kid's word for everything and then finds out the mass relays will be destroyed, Shepard would have to think at that point, "if I destroy the Mass Relays, I will destroy the systems they are in."  We may see later that some idiot decided that isn't what happens, but Shepard did destroy a relay before and did destroy a star system.  Shepard would have to stop at that point and think that making a choice would destroy star systems and kill not just advanced organic life, but all life.

Furthermore, since this is a tough concept to get, no rational person sees choices offered by mad, evil demigods as choices at all.  It isn't a hard decision.  It's gut-wrenching, because the harder decision to make is in doing nothing.  Making a choice is just lazy.  It's saying, "I give up.  I don't know what will happen, but so what."  You can't put faith in something offered by a mass murderer, unless you just give up.

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst

There is no absolutes in life or this game....I dont know where you thought there was.

You really are blind or ignorant of the world around you to think that any sensible being would let this go or to accept that our entire world was pretty much destroyed without us coming back and beating their faces in for doing so

Are you learning impared? Seeing as you are stoping the reapers NO ONE IS ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE!

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Better to die fighting for your forces and not giving up then submitting into the being who has created the reapers who has destroyed mostly all of earth except london and everyone elses world not only would shepard not accept this the other races wouldn't want shepard to

So it is better all die so you dont have to make a hard decision????

Ok, I know you don't want to have a real discussion.  Past is prologue.

It is better to die than to submit.  If the kid, evil in a glowing kid form, has been doing evil things and moved the Citadel close to Earth to make harvesting easier, then it is very possible the choices might also make harvesting easier.  So, in making that decision Shepard may do exactly what Shepard doesn't want to do.

But even if Shepard takes the kid's word for everything and then finds out the mass relays will be destroyed, Shepard would have to think at that point, "if I destroy the Mass Relays, I will destroy the systems they are in."  We may see later that some idiot decided that isn't what happens, but Shepard did destroy a relay before and did destroy a star system.  Shepard would have to stop at that point and think that making a choice would destroy star systems and kill not just advanced organic life, but all life.

Furthermore, since this is a tough concept to get, no rational person sees choices offered by mad, evil demigods as choices at all.  It isn't a hard decision.  It's gut-wrenching, because the harder decision to make is in doing nothing.  Making a choice is just lazy.  It's saying, "I give up.  I don't know what will happen, but so what."  You can't put faith in something offered by a mass murderer, unless you just give up.

So if given three ways to win you would rather lose.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

For crying out loud. You take on faith that you make the correct decision with what you have.......This is called life. You dont use
faith only when the times are good and the decisions are easy you use it
all the time even if the decisions are hard and times suck.....I would
say the latter is the reason you need to have faith.

I'm going to answer this because I can only assume you don't understand English.  I never said you only use faith in good times, but you do not put your faith in evil beings that are killing people while telling you you need to help them.

You are in effect putting your faith in this kid that has been making people goo. 

Please, read for understanding and not for your preconceived notion of what you want to say.  Most of your one-line ignorant "zingers" don't ever relate to what people are saying.  It's like you just use your "word of the day" to insert some little meaningless comment.

No rational person would place faith in what the kid offers. 

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst

There is no absolutes in life or this game....I dont know where you thought there was.

You really are blind or ignorant of the world around you to think that any sensible being would let this go or to accept that our entire world was pretty much destroyed without us coming back and beating their faces in for doing so

Are you learning impared? Seeing as you are stoping the reapers NO ONE IS ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE!

ARE YOU DAMN STUPID IN TWO OUT OF THE ENDINGS THE REAPERS LIVE IN ALL ENDINGS 
ARE FORCES ARE TRAPT IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

AND THE MAIN ENEMY IS MAKING US DECIDE WHAT WE SHOULD DO is your brain even working?

Modifié par LiarasShield, 06 juin 2012 - 02:16 .

[Goneaviking]

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Better to die fighting for your forces and not giving up then submitting into the being who has created the reapers who has destroyed mostly all of earth except london and everyone elses world not only would shepard not accept this the other races wouldn't want shepard to

So it is better all die so you dont have to make a hard decision????

It's still making a hard decision if you don't like it.

At the end of the first two games we were faced with hard decisions. To hold with duty and save the council at the risk weakening the fleet; to destroy collector base and hold with the values that define the people, or to keep it in the hopes that it will give us an edge in the coming war even though it means empowering an immoral agency with a long history of abuses and criminal behaviour.

Either option constitued a hard choice.

The end of Mass Effect 3 sorted everything in a nice neat bow whatever choice you make. Given that none of the options are really explained, before or after, renders the choice effectively meaningless. You aren't taking it on faith that the option you make is the best of a bad lot, you're stabbing in the dark.

It's not a hard choice unless you understand the tradeoff.

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

No you putting your faith that because of your actions you showed the kid as you call him that he was wrong.

The kid never indicates you showed him he was wrong.  He says the exact opposite.  If he thought he had been wrong, he wouldn't have continued to state stupid logic.  And when Shepard says people would like to keep their current form, he wouldn't tell Shepard they can't.  The kid definitely does not believe what he's been doing or what he's been thinking has been wrong.  He still wants to make people goo.

And it isn't "the kid as I call him", it's the kid as he chooses to present himself to Shepard.  He is certainly not a kid, something I have repeatedly said.  And I don't believe if he had shown himself in another form that people would be so happy that he is giving Shepard wonderful choices.

If the "kid" looked like TIM or a blob of slimy gunk or a Volus or Sovereign or Harbiner or a husk or Banshee or many other things other than a kid, I don't think there'd be a discussion.  Everyone would want him dead and they'd wonder where they could find a bunch of Cains.  They'd be shouting for Hackett to destroy the Citadel now, or as Archonsg put it, they'd be yelling for EDI and the Geth to get hacking.  Instead, he looks all innocent and non-threatening and suddenly people think, "hey maybe the kid thinks he's trying to do good things.  Maybe now he really loves people or likes Shepard," because leaving Shepard half dead was just a love tap.

[LiarasShield]

Shepard during the suicide mission and shepard confrontation of the hologram of harbinger on arrival

Harbinger: you're only delaying thee inevitable shepard we will find another way and you will be destroyed

Shepard: maybe you're right maybe we can't win but we won't give up we may even lose half the galaxy but we will fight and we will sacrifce and we will find a way because that is what humans do.

Shepard: The reapers have never had to stand and fight on the ground they have used run and hit tactics but now we will bring the fight to them. In the next few minutes we either win it all or we lose it all now let get to it!


And for the final cup on the cherry my favorite ost from me2





I don't believe in submission I don't believe into giving my life over to the being who has created the monsters destroying my world and destroying most of the galaxy for thousands of years I don't believe being forced into the decisions that said being wants to see and said being is using his forces to still kill mine why we are having this conversation

I want shepard and myself to stay true to her principles that we fight the reapers to the end to let the alliance give their 110% let them fight to the last tooth and nail against the reapers wether we win  it all or we lose it all at least it would be a honorable death that means something

Shepard wouldn't destroy entire races on a assumption that is why she cured the genopage and saved the quarians and the geth so she wouldn't pick destroy because it ends up destroying the very races she fought to save

shepard wouldn't pick synthesis because she believes in individuality she wouldn't want to force everyone to be half machine or half organic against their will she believes in freedom and making your own choices in this world

Shepard wouldn't pick control because she has seen what it has done to the illusive man and saren that it has only ended up destroying who they are and making them think they're incontrol when they're not


Wether the catalyst is lieing or not is irrelvent no decent being on our planet or galaxy for that matter would even negotiate with this being for the simple fact

THAT HIS FORCES HAVE BEEN DESTROYING OUR WORLDS AND HARVESTING OUR LIVES AND USING
THEIR VERY REAPER CODE TO CONTROL THE GETH TO KILL US INSTEAD OF SUPPOSEDLY SAVING US FROm
SYNTHETICS[/quote]

How can you even support this being this being has caused the destruction of pretty much your world and everyone elses for that matter do you not care that most of earth is in ruins other then london how can you easily brush that off or the other races who have fought by your side to hopefully have a future

It is beyond understanding it is beyond me trying to pick at some of your minds to think that this is alright


Gonna add these two posts together since I feel that this is truely important


You're missing the major point thanatos the catalyst has used the reapers to pretty much destroy our world and everybody elses how can you think that any conversation with this being would be ok or better yet I'll give another wonderful example from real life


No offensive to anyone who is asian or japanese or german but why do you think that we bombed neogima or hiroshima because they bombed pearl harbor and caused the deaths of hundreds or thousand of our us troops So bombed them back and fought them back

Why did we defeat germany on the beaches of normandy and push hitlers forces back because they were destroying our allies and would seek to destroy us our or country


Why do you think we went to war with iraq of yeah they bombed the twin towers with our own airplanes right hence why we sent troops into their country to not just help the citizens but to payback the terrorists that attacked us

So why Would a being using alien machines to destroy pretty much our entire world or the galaxy for that matter their would be no negoiation their would be no talking just our forces fighting his till the end wether we win or we lose their would be no talking or submitting to the catalyst


Honestly lets face it here thanatos has made not one good point yet he thinks letting our enemies decide how we should doom our forces in our trapt solar system where most of our planets have been nearly destroyed by the reapers or letting them live so they can possibly either

A kill us all no that we have no real place to go Or B they kill all the other races 50 thousand years from now not only is thanatos not being logical he is pure insane