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[burritosythe]

I have a hard time comprehending how such an incredible, brilliant game so stuffed with brilliant moments and epic storytelling can have such phenominally terrible ending. There have been worse endings no doubt about it, But when compared with the rest of the game I just can't comprehend it. I understand wanting to break the traditional happy ending cliche, But it just fell short of the rest of the game in impact and in the desicion making trade mark of the series.

[Redbelle]

Fallout 3 had a pretty bad ending. I mean, your given a companion who is immune to radiation, you have to go choose which out of the 3 go into a booth that will fill with lethal radiation, you turn to the guy handed down by fate and he says. 'Nah, it's your destiny to do it'...........Oh, well if it's destiny then thats different then...........Oh wait, I forgot the other npc. lemme see, yep I can send her in instead so it's not so much destiny as my radiation immune friend can't be arsed to save life in the wasteland. <facepalm>.

Fortunately Bethesda saw the logic of the fans argument and made a quick change during one of the addons.

[Redbelle]

Bwaksson wrote...

I haven't really gotten into the bashing of the ME3 ending, partly because I can't say it got to me that bad after I had calmed down (journey more important than the destination in this case IMO) and partly because I don't really think it'll lead anywhere. But I recently made another playthrough and found myself not bothering with playing beyond the start of catalyst's dialogue and just turning the game off. First time I didn't watch an ending, even counting those I know word for word.
While discussing this with a coworker in an unnamed publishing house on the ensuing Monday, I said, first as a joke:
"I think our editors would say 'great, but the ending needs to be done from scratch.'"
and afterwards realized it was true. They wouldn't accept the ending.
So I ask, vainly I suspect, the people at Bioware how many persons the endings needed to pass before being okayed? I suspect far too few.
The mass effect trilogy is an outstanding achievement by Bioware, well worth the time and money I've spent on it, but as far as I'm concerned it hasn't ended yet and I'm dejectedly certain it never will.

If our information is correct the ending was developed by two 2 ppl and not peer reviewed for content. This is the only part of the game that has been highlighted as not getting peer reviewed by the writing team that has come to light.

[Archonsg]

BearlyHere wrote...

What's worse, if you kick butt in MP because you're a credit card player and buy several of the speshul Spectre packs, you can get your EMS high enough without even having to bother with the tedious parts of the campaign like searching for assets.

I like the analogy about the "artistic" bedsheet, but I think it's worse. Say your crazy uncle not only poops the bed, rolls in it, and insists it's art, and he intended to do that all along, thank you very much. And then he gives it to you at your birthday party in front of all your friends and neighbors as your gift and hangs it on your wall.

Or like me, played MP like non-stop (since completion of my First Run ..since I don't have the heart to force myself to complete SP the 2nd time).
Anyone, and I mean this with no uncertain term, who actually paid for one of those Equipment packs with Bioware points, must be fracking out of his or her mind. 

Lottery packs that essentially tells you to "buy more" so that you get a chance to get that nifty item? Greedy BS scam if you ask me.
To date I have spent millions if not several hundred millons of game earned credits, bought a butt load of Spectre or better equipment packs and I don't even have the "full" complement of equipement. I can't imagine the fool who paid actual money for these packs and not feel like he / she has been had.<_<

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

What's worse, if you kick butt in MP because you're a credit card player and buy several of the speshul Spectre packs, you can get your EMS high enough without even having to bother with the tedious parts of the campaign like searching for assets.

I like the analogy about the "artistic" bedsheet, but I think it's worse. Say your crazy uncle not only poops the bed, rolls in it, and insists it's art, and he intended to do that all along, thank you very much. And then he gives it to you at your birthday party in front of all your friends and neighbors as your gift and hangs it on your wall.

Or like me, played MP like non-stop (since completion of my First Run ..since I don't have the heart to force myself to complete SP the 2nd time).
Anyone, and I mean this with no uncertain term, who actually paid for one of those Equipment packs with Bioware points, must be fracking out of his or her mind. 

Lottery packs that essentially tells you to "buy more" so that you get a chance to get that nifty item? Greedy BS scam if you ask me.
To date I have spent millions if not several hundred millons of game earned credits, bought a butt load of Spectre or better equipment packs and I don't even have the "full" complement of equipement. I can't imagine the fool who paid actual money for these packs and not feel like he / she has been had.<_<

So only fools pay to support a game that costs money to run.........

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

What's worse, if you kick butt in MP because you're a credit card player and buy several of the speshul Spectre packs, you can get your EMS high enough without even having to bother with the tedious parts of the campaign like searching for assets.

I like the analogy about the "artistic" bedsheet, but I think it's worse. Say your crazy uncle not only poops the bed, rolls in it, and insists it's art, and he intended to do that all along, thank you very much. And then he gives it to you at your birthday party in front of all your friends and neighbors as your gift and hangs it on your wall.

Or like me, played MP like non-stop (since completion of my First Run ..since I don't have the heart to force myself to complete SP the 2nd time).
Anyone, and I mean this with no uncertain term, who actually paid for one of those Equipment packs with Bioware points, must be fracking out of his or her mind.

Lottery packs that essentially tells you to "buy more" so that you get a chance to get that nifty item? Greedy BS scam if you ask me.
To date I have spent millions if not several hundred millons of game earned credits, bought a butt load of Spectre or better equipment packs and I don't even have the "full" complement of equipement. I can't imagine the fool who paid actual money for these packs and not feel like he / she has been had.<_<

So only fools pay to support a game that costs money to run.........

You do know that on MP you, the player host MP games for the other three right? All the MP client portion does is peer match make for you? (which happens to run off thier authentication server it seems, unless I am mistaken)
Could anyone with better info correct that assumption?
Thus if my understanding address of the MP server / authentication server this is correct, it cost EA/Bioware no more then it already has, to authenticate your DLCs and yes, allow you to play the game.

But to respond to your statement;

Had there been no MP, I would have been fine with it.
Had they took the development time that they made MP and use that to create our multiple endings instead, took the time to craft a better story, took the time to craft more meaningful DLCs, for which given reason to replay the entire franchise, I would happily buy, as I have bought all other DLCs, even cosmetic ones since, yes, I do believe in giving support to a company who made games I love.

Thanathos, seriously, your statement is so blatantly asinine that sometimes I wonder, why do you keep doing this?

Is it because you want to show the world just how much you do not understand, how shallow you are and just how you do not see what is going around you? 
Or is it simply that you are such a poor lonely soul that everything you have posted is a cry for help, that you need someone to talk to?  

You are one sad man.


Ps:

Oh yeah, as with everything else, I can see that you are just spouting things you have not much of an idea of, and have not been playing Multi-player much
Thanatos144's Multiplayer's Manifest

While my own Multi-player Manifest tells a different story.

Pathetic.

Modifié par Archonsg, 10 juin 2012 - 01:04 .

[akenn312]

Also another thought, I saw Prometheus the other day and if you are a Sci-Fi geek I highly recommend it. But the point is Prometheus showed a great deal of foreshadowing on what it was going to be about in the marketing and the story line up until the climax, it kept with the style and look that was established from the older Alien model and not once (Not going to give away the ending) did I ever think where did this come from? Not saying Alien's message is better than Mass Effect's that's not what i'm trying to put out there. My point is the Alien's lore does not ever jump from one thing to another. Filming style and acting style may change, but the main concept is; Don't open Pandoras box, Don't play god, Be careful of trying to explore and discover things you aren't meant to know and just because you have all this futuristic tech and knowledge does not mean something out there is bigger and badder than you. 

The first Alien movie started on one theme and Aliens keep the theme and built a little more on it, Alien3 may have been panned as a bad movie but it still kept with the original theme. Prometheus which could have totally got away from that respectfully stayed the course  and keep within the same lines and now for me has made Alien a much deeper movie. 

Has this Mass Effect 3 ending made Mass Effect a deeper game? Not in my opinion, this ending makes me wonder what was the point of Mass Effect 2 or even Mass Effect. Why preach how we much stay the course and fight to not compromise to succumb to the ultimate evil of the Reapers, or not try to control what you don't understand, or to understand the synthetics that are universally thought as untrustworthy but are worth giving a chance,  now goes to compromise and succumb to the Reapers, betray the synthetics that have shown good and loyalty and now try to control what you don't understand? OR the main theme player choice matters.

It is a betrayal of theme. I can't see this in anyway other than that. I like the flashy lights but still I need the flashy lights to stay true to what they started. 

Modifié par akenn312, 10 juin 2012 - 12:26 .

[Auckmid]

ME3 was a great game, and the people who are saying that the ending ruined the game for them are just a vocal minority. However, I have found the almost all of my friends were disapointed with the ending, not so much because of the idea behind the endings, but because of...
 

1) The lack of control over the ending sequence.

The ME2 ending realy exceeded all of my expectations. The way that all your choices made throughout the game, and the choices you make during the suicide mission decided who lived, who died, and what the situation was going into ME3. After the positve feedback for the way that the suicide mission caused a solid yet simple plot to come together in such a great way, I thought that the very last mission to take back earth would take a similar aproach. However, while this is probably the most minor of my points, I did feel like the final mission lacked enough epicness, and no matter what, you would be streamlined into the same situation at the end.

2)) The lack of concequence.

One of the greatest things about ME is the fact that desicions which you make (or don't make) often come back to haunt you down the road. Therefore, one of my greatest disapointments with the ending is that your past desicions don't seem to matter that much. With the exception of the Ilusive Man and Anderson scene, and the fact that your EMS will make some difference in how the game ends, you still end up with the same dilema, and the same endings. I would have liked it if some of your choices did more then change a number.

3) The lack of diversity between the endings.

This is the big one, which everyone I know can agree with. In the destroy ending, the reapers die (I was sad that the geth also had to die in this ending), while the reapers just leave in the control and synthesis endings. If you have a high EMS, the cruicible doesn't damage earth, while it devastates or destroys earth when you have a low EMS. Also, the 3 different choices cause different coloured lazers... That preaty much sums up the major differences between the endings.


When I heard that there would be an "Extended Cut" DLC, I was very excited, and I hope that it can adress the above issues in the following way...

1) Modify the endings
 
This is realy the main thing I want. While the "Top 10 reasons we hate ME3's ending" video was quite extreamist, it does talk about how the guy was expecting a renagage interupt in which you can shoot the Catalyst. That idea actualy sounded extreamly appealing, not because I wanted to competely ignore the Catalyst and just kill him, but because I realy wanted that one ending which was completely different from the rest, instead of the same old every time. I am not suggesting at all that Bioware should completely change the ending, and I have no problems with Biowares desicion to make a new ending, but I strongly believe that the players should have much more diversity to the endings then just the same sequence with a few modifications. And hell, if I invested the time and effort to get an EMS of 6000 and convince the Ilusive Man to kill himself, I feel I deserve that one ending in which Tali and I can fly off to Rannoch, get married, and live out the rest of our days in happiness. Don't think that I'm writing all of this because the "Best possible ending" still involves the death of the Geth and the destruction of the Mass Relays with Shepard simply taking a single breath at the end, but I will admit that I love happy endings when they are well deserved, and I did feel that I deserved a hapyy ending.

2) More closeur

While this is one is the main reason the DLC is going to be realeased, the only thing which I will say about this is that concequences should have an impact with some of the ending cinematics. Maybe showing the Quarians building a monument for Shepard for all that he accomplished, or the Krogan's cursing Shepard for sabataging the genophage cure. However, as I said in the comments above, the ending didn't feel diverse enough, not matter what you did.

3) Revamping the final mission?

I will say that this is less important, and I find this unlikely to be done, but it would be cool if the gameplay of the final mission was more similar to ME2's suicide mission. Just something to say.


This post was mainly on the few things I liked less about ME3, and I still think that it was a spectacular game. While this is 1 point of view among many thousands, I hope that Bioware can ignore those few people who refuse to achnowlege the flaws of the ending and those extreamists who want the ending to completely changed to create something which will satisfy the majority of the players.

[Auckmid]

Also, how do I add the ME2 icon? When I clicked on thing, it was asking for game number or something like that.

[Archonsg]

Auckmid wrote...

Also, how do I add the ME2 icon? When I clicked on thing, it was asking for game number or something like that.

You just need to register your game.
Number is the product key that came with the game.
If you bought the game via Origin, you can see the product code by going into Origin, then clicking on the "i" on the Game Tile of the game you want to check on.

[Achaewa]

I'm wondering if the extendec cut is just meant to add cutscenes and epilogue scenes to the ending. Will it then just be of how our character will live on the planet they stranded on? Cause that would be pretty stupid.

Anyway correct me if i'm wrong :-)

[Archonsg]

Auckmid wrote...

ME3 was a great game, and the people who are saying that the ending ruined the game for them are just a vocal minority. However, I have found the almost all of my friends were disapointed with the ending, not so much because of 
When I heard that there would be an "Extended Cut" DLC, I was very excited, and I hope that it can adress the above issues in the following way...

1) Modify the endings
 
This is realy the main thing I want. While the "Top 10 reasons we hate ME3's ending" video was quite extreamist, it does talk about how the guy was expecting a renagage interupt in which you can shoot the Catalyst. That idea actualy sounded extreamly appealing, not because I wanted to competely ignore the Catalyst and just kill him, but because I realy wanted that one ending which was completely different from the rest, instead of the same old every time. I am not suggesting at all that Bioware should completely change the ending, and I have no problems with Biowares desicion to make a new ending, but I strongly believe that the players should have much more diversity to the endings then just the same sequence with a few modifications. And hell, if I invested the time and effort to get an EMS of 6000 and convince the Ilusive Man to kill himself, I feel I deserve that one ending in which Tali and I can fly off to Rannoch, get married, and live out the rest of our days in happiness. Don't think that I'm writing all of this because the "Best possible ending" still involves the death of the Geth and the destruction of the Mass Relays with Shepard simply taking a single breath at the end, but I will admit that I love happy endings when they are well deserved, and I did feel that I deserved a hapyy ending.

Sorry but go back a page, I posted a link to the guy who seems to have a source in EA / Bioware as he had 100% of the info for the previous DLCs (so his track record is pretty good) and as far as rumors go, the EC DLC is done, but no new endings just a few cut scenes and an extended epilouge. 

It also seems that they are going to release another MP DLC : Earth to go along with the EC DLC. So, I guess all our hopes for alternate endings are gone. 
I'll see just how much they could salvage from the current FUBAR ending to see if I will want to keep playing ME3, otherwise I'll put it and in association, all other Bioware Games aside on the "do not buy, till enough time has elapsed / on discount" list.

Modifié par Archonsg, 10 juin 2012 - 01:24 .

[Crysis I]

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

[Andy the Black]

OK, I hadn't seen this before now and apologies if it's been posted before (it must have been). But in this interview Bethesda's Todd Howard talks about the original ending to Fallout 3. Seems kinda relevant.
http://www.g4tv.com/...th-todd-howard/

Modifié par Andy the Black, 10 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[BlueStorm83]

Crysis I wrote...

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

Holy crap, that's right!  Harbinger doesn't really have any role in the story!  He was pretty vocal in ME2.  Sovereign spoke a bit in ME1.

The only teaper conversation is with Bob on Rannoch here.  That's kinda sad.

****, I really hope that the Extended Cut gets deleted or something before it comes out, and they go "know what, let's just make a Mass Effect 3.5 and have endings that don't blow, and give it free to anyone who mails in a Mass Effect 3 copy."

[Freaksh0w56]

 Everyone who thinks the ending sucks. Is supposed to think it sucks. Just wait till we get more dlc. By the end of all this we will be blown away. Have some faith in bioware they won't disappoint. Prometheus was terrible. 

[Andy the Black]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

Holy crap, that's right!  Harbinger doesn't really have any role in the story!  He was pretty vocal in ME2.  Sovereign spoke a bit in ME1.

The only teaper conversation is with Bob on Rannoch here.  That's kinda sad.

****, I really hope that the Extended Cut gets deleted or something before it comes out, and they go "know what, let's just make a Mass Effect 3.5 and have endings that don't blow, and give it free to anyone who mails in a Mass Effect 3 copy."

Agreed. I've said a few times that I hope the EC is more than just an edited ending but has a few new scene pre Earth to help boost the ending. Some Harbinger would be nice.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 10 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[Crysis I]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

Holy crap, that's right!  Harbinger doesn't really have any role in the story!  He was pretty vocal in ME2.  Sovereign spoke a bit in ME1.

The only teaper conversation is with Bob on Rannoch here.  That's kinda sad.

****, I really hope that the Extended Cut gets deleted or something before it comes out, and they go "know what, let's just make a Mass Effect 3.5 and have endings that don't blow, and give it free to anyone who mails in a Mass Effect 3 copy."

The build up from ME2, everyone thought harbinger would be the end game boss etc. He/it does not even say a single sentence in game and is on screen for less then 5 minutes. BIOWARE need to add some harbinger lines at least.
My opinion is ME3 is just as bad as swtor in the way that it completely retcons the first two games.

Don't get me wrong ME3 was amazing but the last 10 minutes are a joke, i've accepted the brat at the end but add some harbinger sentences.

[Andy the Black]

Crysis I wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

Holy crap, that's right!  Harbinger doesn't really have any role in the story!  He was pretty vocal in ME2.  Sovereign spoke a bit in ME1.

The only teaper conversation is with Bob on Rannoch here.  That's kinda sad.

****, I really hope that the Extended Cut gets deleted or something before it comes out, and they go "know what, let's just make a Mass Effect 3.5 and have endings that don't blow, and give it free to anyone who mails in a Mass Effect 3 copy."

The build up from ME2, everyone thought harbinger would be the end game boss etc. He/it does not even say a single sentence in game and is on screen for less then 5 minutes. BIOWARE need to add some harbinger lines at least.
My opinion is ME3 is just as bad as swtor in the way that it completely retcons the first two games.

Don't get me wrong ME3 was amazing but the last 10 minutes are a joke, i've accepted the brat at the end but add some harbinger sentences.

Forget my previous post. Lets just have Harby 'assume direct control' of marauder shields.

[Crysis I]

Andy the Black wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

Holy crap, that's right!  Harbinger doesn't really have any role in the story!  He was pretty vocal in ME2.  Sovereign spoke a bit in ME1.

The only teaper conversation is with Bob on Rannoch here.  That's kinda sad.

****, I really hope that the Extended Cut gets deleted or something before it comes out, and they go "know what, let's just make a Mass Effect 3.5 and have endings that don't blow, and give it free to anyone who mails in a Mass Effect 3 copy."

The build up from ME2, everyone thought harbinger would be the end game boss etc. He/it does not even say a single sentence in game and is on screen for less then 5 minutes. BIOWARE need to add some harbinger lines at least.
My opinion is ME3 is just as bad as swtor in the way that it completely retcons the first two games.

Don't get me wrong ME3 was amazing but the last 10 minutes are a joke, i've accepted the brat at the end but add some harbinger sentences.

Forget my previous post. Lets just have Harby 'assume direct control' of marauder shields.

[Andy the Black]

Crysis I wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

ALL i want is harbinger to at least say one line in the game, BIOWARE please add a sentence when harbinger is shooting at sheperd or something.

Holy crap, that's right!  Harbinger doesn't really have any role in the story!  He was pretty vocal in ME2.  Sovereign spoke a bit in ME1.

The only teaper conversation is with Bob on Rannoch here.  That's kinda sad.

****, I really hope that the Extended Cut gets deleted or something before it comes out, and they go "know what, let's just make a Mass Effect 3.5 and have endings that don't blow, and give it free to anyone who mails in a Mass Effect 3 copy."

The build up from ME2, everyone thought harbinger would be the end game boss etc. He/it does not even say a single sentence in game and is on screen for less then 5 minutes. BIOWARE need to add some harbinger lines at least.
My opinion is ME3 is just as bad as swtor in the way that it completely retcons the first two games.

Don't get me wrong ME3 was amazing but the last 10 minutes are a joke, i've accepted the brat at the end but add some harbinger sentences.

Forget my previous post. Lets just have Harby 'assume direct control' of marauder shields.

Uh-oh. Why the sad face, what did I do now?

[akenn312]

Freaksh0w56 wrote...

 Everyone who thinks the ending sucks. Is supposed to think it sucks. Just wait till we get more dlc. By the end of all this we will be blown away. Have some faith in bioware they won't disappoint. Prometheus was terrible. 

Oh really? So a game that has to make a new DLC to clarify and fix everything they messed up is just so much better than a movie sticking with the theme of its predecessors and not putting out some forced story? Actually I hope you are right I would love to see Bioware do something that blows us away. But I digress, stories that make characters disappear out of thin air and force in little light children so they can make a galactic Noah's ark are way better than a gritty sci-fi horror movie that centers on not opening pandoras box and not paying god. We just need a Moses joker to make our lives better. Lets make sure he walks around with two pads of the Shepard commandments. EDI can play the galactic virgin Mary. What is going on with appreciation with good Sci-fi anymore?

Modifié par akenn312, 10 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[Crysis I]

i don't fancy fighting marauder controlled by harby when you have barely any health and no shields armed with a pistol

[Andy the Black]

Crysis I wrote...

i don't fancy fighting marauder controlled by harby when you have barely any health and no shields armed with a pistol

Common, it would be fun.

Seriously though, I think it could work. Maybe move the encounter with Shields to before you get hit by the beam and downing him could weaken Harby long enough for the Normandy to neutralize him, much like ganking Saren allows the SR1 to finish off Sovereign. Maybe Shep orders his/her team to get to cover befor the Normandy's assault starts. Maybe he/she dosn't get away in time and that, not Harby's death ray, is what nocks Shep on his/her ass.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 10 juin 2012 - 02:54 .

[BearlyHere]

akenn312 wrote...

Freaksh0w56 wrote...

 Everyone who thinks the ending sucks. Is supposed to think it sucks. Just wait till we get more dlc. By the end of all this we will be blown away. Have some faith in bioware they won't disappoint. Prometheus was terrible. 

Oh really? So a game that has to make a new DLC to clarify and fix everything they messed up is just so much better than a movie sticking with the theme of its predecessors and not putting out some forced story? Actually I hope you are right I would love to see Bioware do something that blows us away. But I digress, stories that make characters disappear out of thin air and force in little light children so they can make a galactic Noah's ark are way better than a gritty sci-fi horror movie that centers on not opening pandoras box and not paying god. We just need a Moses joker to make our lives better. Lets make sure he walks around with two pads of the Shepard commandments. EDI can play the galactic virgin Mary. What is going on with appreciation with good Sci-fi anymore?

I still haven't seen any evidence they're going to "fix" anything. My fear is that we'll get a slideshow epilogue like they have used on many other games. It sounds like to me that they're still banking on capturing the MP market. I'll bet that without a real change to the ending or at least options,  that they're going to see a lot of players like Archonsg abandon MP. I know I haven't been back to it since I finished my last playthrough. 

@Archonsg: You apparently are a MP god. I don't feel so bad about my puny collection after seeing Bubbles' multiplayer manifest.