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[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

Bioware could save themselves a lot of time and trouble by simply answering the many questions Mass3 has raised,quite shocking that Bioware still hasn't responded to anything.....hell,I don't even believe that the DLC extended content is being produced because of players feedback,it's being produced because NO ONE knows what the hell is going on at the end.......Mass3 is a triple AAA game produced by a triple AAA developer,pretty shocking how this whole scenario is being handled.

No AAA company allows customers to be called, or calls customers names.  The fact that they have fed much of this dissent by refusing to start a dialog with fans (a real one) and that they have also been the instigators of some of the dissent, speaks volumes.  A realy AAA company would at least come out and say it is inappropriate to call fans whiners, entitled, and so on, and yet reviewers that they pay to review games (through their ads) are allowed to get away with this and then one of their devs suggests saying you won't buy their products if the ending isn't fixed is a threat.  This is not how a AAA company does business.  They need public relations training at the very least and they need customer service training as well.

[BlueStorm83]

--- That was my Geth Boarding Party idea! Wooo!

What really, REALLY makes me mad about this all is that I was already on the other side of the fence. I was infuriated at EA for other, Battlefield and Madden related reasons. Then I got wind of From Ashes, and I was angry. I cancelled my pre-order. Then I re-placed my pre-order. Then I cancelled again. Then I pre-ordered again. Then I cancelled again. I decided, taking a deep breath and swallowing, that I'd wait to see exactly what From Ashes was before I made judgment. After all, they said it wasn't made when the disc went to certification.

Launch day! And it's revealed on the internet that Javik is ON THE DISC. Wow. Change a few lines on the .ini file and POP, there's Javik! They lied.

Now I'm really, REALLY mad. I decide I'll wait for a price drop, a sale, something like that. I decide I'll buy it used, not from a Gamestop (separate argument there) but from a person who played and beat it. I do this, and I buy the Multiplayer code, since I figure that I enjoy the multiplayer, why not? Besides, it's not necessary. I'll wait for Multi until after I beat the game.

THEN the ending. It's nothing they claimed. They lied.

THEN the realization that I DID NEED multiplayer. THEY LIED.

--- BEFORE Mass Effect 3, I said "I will never buy another EA game. Mass Effect 3 will be my last series. If they make 100 more ME games, they will remain the exception to the rule." That's the amount of enjoyment I got from ME games, that's the kind of trust I had in BioWare's writing department.
Note that I said Trust, not Faith.

Now I'm done 100% with EA, no EC or RE-C, or even a total remake of the entire series on a Holodeck with a new third game storyline that keeps the best parts and ends with something that makes sense will change my mind.

Do I hope that the EC will fix things? Actually, no. I hope in rational ways, and there's no rational thought I can come up with that will make the EC fix it all. Why do I keep this up here? Because this is the kind of bull**** that people shouldn't get away with.

--- I try to keep this thread to being just about the ending, but the ending leads into all of THAT as I think about it.

[darkway1]

To be honest,if they want the starchild/catalyst thing to work then Bioware should be releasing extra content for both MASS 1 and 2 as a way of introducing their relevance to the ending of Mass3......as thing's stand,extending the present Mass3 ending is just bolting on content to a bolt-on ending.....I sadly see the extended ending as a means to clarify the end in order to make future releases function.

[karushna5]

Ooh boy. I'll say it. I liked the ending. Not the numerous plot holes with destroying the mass relays, but the choice between synthesis, control, or destruction was brilliant. Synthesis is so perfect for my Shepard and Destruction was perfect for my roommates.

To make a choice that big at the end, and still have some variability was magnificent. But with a choice like that an epilogue is needed to see the variability or it feels cheap, if that had been there I think less people would have been angry. The mass relays being destroyed also caused so many plot holes you can't shake a stick at. But the choice at the end.

Stellar.

[darkway1]

I have seriously tried to like the ending of Mass3,I actually like bad endings,stories that make me think long after the movie,book etc has finished but for the love of god I can't except the Mass3 ending as it stands.......it's just constructed/executed terribly and to make thing's worse it undermines the relevance of the first 2 games.

[Thanatos144]

darkway1 wrote...

I have seriously tried to like the ending of Mass3,I actually like bad endings,stories that make me think long after the movie,book etc has finished but for the love of god I can't except the Mass3 ending as it stands.......it's just constructed/executed terribly and to make thing's worse it undermines the relevance of the first 2 games.

Thats personal opinon. They are making a extended cut to help. You wont like that ether. I believe this ebnding was to much for you guys .....Thank god you are not a majority or I would feel sad for our youth.

[SlackRabbit]

Sorry folks this party is over...just take your money elsewhere...
Capitalism...always favoured by big business.... until they start to fail...

[Thanatos144]

SlackRabbit wrote...

Sorry folks this party is over...just take your money elsewhere...
Capitalism...always favoured by big business.... until they start to fail...

Now this is a smart post. Dont like the game????Dont buy anymore DLC from them....I dont like chick flicks so I dont go see them....See how that works?

[darkway1]

Nice to see your sharing your constructive views as always Thanatos144.....lol.

[BlueStorm83]

karushna5 wrote...

Ooh boy. I'll say it. I liked the ending. Not the numerous plot holes with destroying the mass relays, but the choice between synthesis, control, or destruction was brilliant. Synthesis is so perfect for my Shepard and Destruction was perfect for my roommates.

To make a choice that big at the end, and still have some variability was magnificent. But with a choice like that an epilogue is needed to see the variability or it feels cheap, if that had been there I think less people would have been angry. The mass relays being destroyed also caused so many plot holes you can't shake a stick at. But the choice at the end.

Stellar.

A big choice at the end is a good way to end a series, I agree.  My problem with it is the way that the Catalyst, from out of nowhere, who admits that the Reapers are his idea of a solution to a problem, and then explaining that the problem is something that I've already disproven a couple of times, presents those choices as his new solutions, and you can't argue them.  If the Catalyst was NOT the creator of the Reapers and he presented the Synthesis option, Hackett told me about the Destroy option, and someone I trusted like EDI was telling me that the Control option could work, it would be 95% fine.

And yeah, the relay destruction and of course the nonsensical Normandy Crash are huge mechanical problems with the ending.

But at least if it was done that way it wouldn't absolutely shatter my immersion and make me feel like I have Option 1: Give in to the Reapers, Option 2: Give in to the Reapers, or Option 3: Give in to the Reapers and make Joker have Husk Eyes.

[G1MEE50K]

Regarding the IT theory, wouldn't it be (if he/she's not undergoing indoctrination) a plot hole that, in all of shepards time around Reaper tech, Shepard doesn't ever undergo some form of reaper indoctrination? You could argue it's because Shepard is "remarkably strong willed" as regarded by Liara, but it still doesn't make much sense. If anyone can clarify as to if Shepard's some how "Indoctrination proof" then i'd be willing to bury believing in this already somewhat broken theory.

[Thanatos144]

darkway1 wrote...

Nice to see your sharing your constructive views as always Thanatos144.....lol.

Comon sense isnt hard.

[darkway1]

Thanatos144 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

Nice to see your sharing your constructive views as always Thanatos144.....lol.

Comon sense isnt hard.

LOL...you bring nothing to the table Thanatos144.....nothing at all.

[Thanatos144]

darkway1 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

Nice to see your sharing your constructive views as always Thanatos144.....lol.

Comon sense isnt hard.

LOL...you bring nothing to the table Thanatos144.....nothing at all.

What I bring is not throwing a tantrum.

[darkway1]

You entertain the hell out of me Thanatos144,what you do is bring the fuel that keeps this thread alive,good on you.

[BlueStorm83]

G1MEE50K wrote...

Regarding the IT theory, wouldn't it be (if he/she's not undergoing indoctrination) a plot hole that, in all of shepards time around Reaper tech, Shepard doesn't ever undergo some form of reaper indoctrination? You could argue it's because Shepard is "remarkably strong willed" as regarded by Liara, but it still doesn't make much sense. If anyone can clarify as to if Shepard's some how "Indoctrination proof" then i'd be willing to bury believing in this already somewhat broken theory.

As it stands, it's prolonged exposure to Reaper Indoctrination Tech.  Not all Repaer Tech indoctrinates.  Reapers themselves, the Reaper Artifact in The Arrival, and Reaper Indoctrination Devices/Boosters are proven to indoctrinate. 

Also, Shepard hasn't spent very much time exposed to Reaper Tech.  Aboard Doug, the dead Reaper from ME2, the Scientists were there for a long while researching.  Same with the Cerberus team with the artifact in The Arrival.  The Citadel being reaper tech is one thing, but the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate: which, to me, makes sense in the ME1 definition of Indoctrination, where only Reapers themselves can indoctrinate.  I mean, if you could just leave Indoctrination Devices around to Indoctrinate people, then why NOT put them on the Citadel?  Or drop them onto Organic worlds that seem like they'll be ripe for the next cycle?  If you Indoctrinate EVERYONE, then you don't risk losing Reapers in a prolonged coflict.  But that's a minor point.

But back to the topic, it's long term exposure, and there's no real indication that it's cumulative between different sources of indoctrination.  And Shepard hasn't been around much Indoctrination Causing tech.  Well, besides talking to Soveriegn, boarding Reaper Doug, talking to Reaper Bob, and running around underneath the reaper whose name I forget on Tuchanka.  And the Artifact that knocks him out at the end of The Arrival.

Hey, maybe we were all Indoctrinated there, and all of Mass Effect 3 was just a bad dream.  Well, a really good dream that had an ending that make it all bad retroactively.

[darkway1]

Maybe the extended DLC will be like that episode of Dallas,Liara wakes up to find Shepard in the shower....it was all a dream.

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I have seriously tried to like the ending of Mass3,I actually like bad endings,stories that make me think long after the movie,book etc has finished but for the love of god I can't except the Mass3 ending as it stands.......it's just constructed/executed terribly and to make thing's worse it undermines the relevance of the first 2 games.

Thats personal opinon. They are making a extended cut to help. You wont like that ether. I believe this ebnding was to much for you guys .....Thank god you are not a majority or I would feel sad for our youth.

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[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

SlackRabbit wrote...Sorry folks this party is over...just take your money elsewhere...Capitalism...always favoured by big business.... until they start to fail...

Now this is a smart post. Dont like the game????Dont buy anymore DLC from them....I dont like chick flicks so I dont go see them....See how that works?

I actually agree.


Don't like what is done, don't buy DLCs.

[Redbelle]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

SlackRabbit wrote...Sorry folks this party is over...just take your money elsewhere...Capitalism...always favoured by big business.... until they start to fail...

Now this is a smart post. Dont like the game????Dont buy anymore DLC from them....I dont like chick flicks so I dont go see them....See how that works?

I actually agree.


Don't like what is done, don't buy DLCs.

Given our previous conversation about the state of BW's game selling status I wonder if this approach is wise.

I mean yes, if you don't like it don't buy it.

But previously we spoke about BW's troubles with shifting copies of their games. I think it was 2 million for Mass Effect 2 while Skyrim shifted 10 million. They are having trouble getting a killer return of a game out on the market.

I still want the company to succeed because they have engineered games with great concepts of gameplay/dialogue that appeals to me more than 'new moves' and a 'darker story' selling points. If Wing Commander 3 had their dialogue system I'd have probably been a bit more articulate about running after Hobbs to gun him down in space after he clawed a colleagues guts out and betrayed the confederation to save his home planet the confeds were going to blow up to win the war.

In many ways this dialogue system is the next logical step of multi choice dialogue games and thus far only BW have successfully implemented it. (FFXIII-2, go hang your head in shame in the corner).

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

Nice to see your sharing your constructive views as always Thanatos144.....lol.

Yeah words of wisdom from bubbles.  Don't buy what you already bought.  No wonder he accepts false logic.

And should everyone in the future adhere to bubbles' logic, then Bioware will become a dinosaur of a company.  How good would that be for bubbles?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 14 juin 2012 - 11:22 .

[BlueStorm83]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

SlackRabbit wrote...Sorry folks this party is over...just take your money elsewhere...Capitalism...always favoured by big business.... until they start to fail...

Now this is a smart post. Dont like the game????Dont buy anymore DLC from them....I dont like chick flicks so I dont go see them....See how that works?

I actually agree.


Don't like what is done, don't buy DLCs.

---  That's the problem, Thantabubbley.  I WANT to want to buy bioWare games.  I'd like them to take steps to convince me that their storytelling and customer service hasn't fallen right in the crapper.  I'd like to be confident that they make what I like.  As it stands, they aren't making what I like anymore, and I'd be sad to have ME3 be the last product I buy from them, which is as it stands now.

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...


---  That's the problem, Thantabubbley.  I WANT to want to buy bioWare games.  I'd like them to take steps to convince me that their storytelling and customer service hasn't fallen right in the crapper.  I'd like to be confident that they make what I like.  As it stands, they aren't making what I like anymore, and I'd be sad to have ME3 be the last product I buy from them, which is as it stands now.

This is exactly it.  What most of us are after is not the utter destruction of Bioware, but a Bioware that rehabilitates its image.  The fear is that they may abandon a format we all love in favor of one that is bland and the same as other games.  We prefer the story and character rich format and we see the potential.  We want to help them see it as well.

We want to be able to continue buying their products and being fans.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 15 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[BlueStorm83]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...


---  That's the problem, Thantabubbley.  I WANT to want to buy bioWare games.  I'd like them to take steps to convince me that their storytelling and customer service hasn't fallen right in the crapper.  I'd like to be confident that they make what I like.  As it stands, they aren't making what I like anymore, and I'd be sad to have ME3 be the last product I buy from them, which is as it stands now.

This is exactly it.  What most of us are after is not the utter destruction of Bioware, but a Bioware that rehabilitates its image.  The fear is that they may abandon a format we all love in favor of one that is bland and the same as other games.  We prefer the story and character rich format and we see the potential.  We want to help them see it as well.

We want to be able to continue buying their products and being fans.

Exactly.  BioWare, Bethesda, and... well, that's really it.  Those were the companies where I could see their logo and say, "They've never disappointed me before.  Let me buy this new thing they've made, knowing nothing about it."  As it stands, I'll see the BioWare logo and go, "Let me google that, see what people are saying, I'd rather not risk it."

[LiarasShield]

Definitly love bethesda they definitly do try to go out of their way to please fans from the fallout ending to releasing patches to help fix lag issues on the ps3 and bethesda does really care or at least I feel that they do ^^