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[Heiwa no Senso]

is it just me, or does the way the space-brat presents the reapers sound alot like preventative war...
preventative war is when you wage war on something because there is a chance that they might be a threat/ create synthetics that kill everything. an example of this is the pretext America used to invade in iraq the early 2000s (chance that iraq might have WMDs). It is not recognised as a reason to start a war .

[BlueStorm83]

3DandBeyond wrote...

For instance, if Mass Effect were only a book and I decided to write 3 books called Moss Effect 1, 2, 3 and created a Commodore Sheffield who was with the Allied and was going after creepers, consumers, Daren, Sovereignty, Haymaker, and The Elusive Dude (TED), had a ship called the Omaha Beach, and met Alari, Tarians, Quarials, Savarians, and the like, and tried to pass everything off as original, I would morally be guilty of plagiarism and I would be ostracized in the community. Literary reviewers would want my head and demand an explanation. Publishers would not want to print what I wrote.

---  "Oh, 'ello there, love!  I'm Commodore Sheffield I am, an' this 'ere is my favorite li''le shop in all of London!"

[Andy the Black]

Archonsg wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Archonsg wrote...skyflare wrote...**** Space Magic! Space magic in itself isn't bad. It gave us biotics, the Asari (and yes, I'd tap that), the Quarians and other "space magicky" stuff. It is how deep into that space magic pool that speaking for myself, I am against. Since in my opinion, Mass Effect the series was 2.99 parts science fiction and only went into space fantasy in that last 0.01 part of the series.

I just can't help but think of this fantastic deleted scene from Doctor Who when I read space magic. Space Gandalf! youtu.be/UeJ4Ak2xCkw

Heh!


What I'd give for a TARDIS.





Headline on a paper roughly 2 years ago : "2 prominent employees of renowned RPG Gaming company vanishes without a trace! "

lofl
What I'd give for a Karen Gillan.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 21 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Its a game people.

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[digby69]

Andy the Black wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Archonsg wrote...skyflare wrote...**** Space Magic! Space magic in itself isn't bad. It gave us biotics, the Asari (and yes, I'd tap that), the Quarians and other "space magicky" stuff. It is how deep into that space magic pool that speaking for myself, I am against. Since in my opinion, Mass Effect the series was 2.99 parts science fiction and only went into space fantasy in that last 0.01 part of the series.

I just can't help but think of this fantastic deleted scene from Doctor Who when I read space magic. Space Gandalf! youtu.be/UeJ4Ak2xCkw

Heh!


What I'd give for a TARDIS.





Headline on a paper roughly 2 years ago : "2 prominent employees of renowned RPG Gaming company vanishes without a trace! "

lofl
What I'd give for a Karen Gillan.

Oh yes if I could go back in time and slap a couple of idiots around the head.

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

@3dandbeyond

To be fair, hardly anything can be written today without some form of plagiarism, given the amount of content out there.

I mean, if we take the entire ME series for example, I am sure if we look hard enough, we'd find some snippets of content from various sources to include a story of humans coming into ascendancy, a maverick commander who brings good old human community building / xenophobia (paragon/renegade) to bear while fighting an unknown menace that no one wants to believe till too late, then look on to him/her as their only hope.

Now while I am a fan of the Babylon 5 series, and I do see plenty of influences from that show (a good thing in my opinion) I am not in any way suggesting that they should steal or plagiarize from that worthy show slavishly.

Just a little.

---snipped

I'm not suggesting that you were suggesting anything of the kind as I'm sure you know.  And of course I am aware that there are many issues within things written or in movies or in games that show influences of other creative works.  Read a Stephen King book and you will see influences from the Twilight Zone series and likewise TZ has been influenced by other things that came before.

There's also a theory out there that once was used (if I remember correctly) in a copyright infringement action over a song.  I can't remember the exact name of the theory but it's one of coincidental creation.  It actually has some basis in this belief of our common knowledge and that inevitably people will create things that are the same.  I was once considering a name for a book about an unconventional romance and came up with, "Eyes Wide Shut".  Sometime later the horrendous (IMO) movie of the same name was released.  Now, the story I had contemplated was not the same as that movie, but that title was gone for me. 

My point is that the ending of ME3 is sufficiently like Deus ex and a couple of others as far as the 3 choices.  The only reason I know about the others is because of the debate over ME3.  But, to be fair I wouldn't have protested so much because it wasn't something of interest to me before now.  However, I do think that once such an ending exists, when and if someone copies it, there are people that should be speaking up.  Reviewers see these games and tell people to buy them.

The biggest offense here as I see it isn't even in this aspect of the ending necessarily being copied (though it's why it doesn't fit), but in that when we've complained about how awful it is, when people protested it and said it was garbage, it was defended as if it was an original.  And those reviewers that are paid to agree with devs, did just that.  It can happen in the literary world, but if it does, it is a huge scandal.

What I found egregious about the similarities with the B5 ending is somewhat like you-if they were going to copy it, they needed to do a better job of it.  They tried to fit a debate about order and chaos into an argument within one being (the star kid), instead of between two opposing factions who were trying to split the baby in two.  It ended up in ME3 being an argument no one else was having.  Shepard didn't have any conflict between order and chaos and hadn't been acting as some proxy in the fight.  The kid was the one with the conflict here and he'd single-handedly decided the response to it, which allowed for no debate.  How awesome would it have been for Shepard to say what Sheridan (hmm, Shepard/Sheridan) said?  We all know that would have been amazing.

What of course ended up happening is that they slapped pieces from one game along with pieces from some movies and other sources together and then slapped that onto the end of ME3.  No wonder your choices didn't matter.  No wonder the game is weighted more heavily on earning EMS points even though that's artificial and mostly meaningless to the ending.  So, of course they needed the player to make a choice.  That was the only way to stick this all together.  But, don't dare tell me it's your artistic vision when it was someone else's a long time ago and compound it by implying we are ignorant because we don't understand it.

Even within ME3, you can of course seem many similarities with a lot of things.  I've even said the opening scene was for me reminiscent of the beginning of Resistance 2 on the PS3.

[Andy the Black]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Its a game people.

2%

Sorry, but that "its only a game" bs is just that, BS.

What the hell is rong with with having passion for a game? I fail to see how having a passion for a game is anything less then having a passion for a band, or a film, or any art from. I can't even see how it's any different from having a passion for a sports team.

[3DandBeyond]

Heiwa no Senso wrote...

is it just me, or does the way the space-brat presents the reapers sound alot like preventative war...
preventative war is when you wage war on something because there is a chance that they might be a threat/ create synthetics that kill everything. an example of this is the pretext America used to invade in iraq the early 2000s (chance that iraq might have WMDs). It is not recognised as a reason to start a war .

I think it's possible to find all kinds of themes within the game and ending.  What you point out is perhaps an exact commentary, but one that Shepard also refuted before when talking to the dying reaper on Rannoch.  Shepard said you don't condemn a whole race to extinction based upon what might happen.  This is crucial.  But the kid and the reapers do it one better by pointing out that in order to save organics from certain destruction by synthetics that will occur sometime in the future, organics themselves must be killed by synthetics (of a sort) in the present.

The future as we all know is uncertain-so this again appeals to the kid's sense of needing to find order and his desire to resist the chaos of an uncertain future.  It's obvious from this that he in fact does not know for certain that organics are doomed, because chaos by definition would make the future unknowable.  What he seems to want is a certain directed future where possibilities are limited.  In fact, he and the reapers have always controlled the future.  I think they fear not being able to do so and that is why chaos threatens them.  I think it's also partly why the diversity of human beings threatens them.  Humans are by nature more chaotic-Liara says this in ME1 in not so many words.  Other races fear humans because they rush in, act fast, and so on.  I can't remember the exact thing she says, but take a look at all the other races.  They are all very orderly.  Humans are not.

The Asari-kind of have stagnated.  New thought is discarded.  They have become dancers, consorts, and are not really even able to protect themselves at all.  The Turians-very orderly in their military, controlled, kind of shackled.  The Salarians-romance is a business decision and for beings with short lives, they just don't seem to live at all.  Batarians are seen as mostly all pirates or mercenaries.  Vorcha are well, pretty dense.  The one race, prior to humans getting involved in the galaxy that took risks and created a kind of chaos were the Quarians, but they've been reduced to being seen as scavengers, discarded.  The council has been neutered-they can't make any momentous decisions.  And everything is really orderly and pretty stagnant.  The Krogan are kept in check.  But then humans come along and tip the balance.  Especially Shepard totally unlike anything they've seen before.  Shepard is chaos, because Shepard doesn't think you can dictate what the future will be.  People have choices, but people also have responsibility.  Shepard also says this a lot of times-you can't control how other people act.  All you can control is what you do in response. 

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...


I am interested in something I have and own.  It is tangible to me.  I look to my right: there, atop my TV table, next to my coffee mug, is the box for Mass Effect 3.  I engage in conversations that are related to the interest in that product I have.

You show up again and again to whine at people you do not know.  Strangers.  About a topic that you say you are not interested in.

My time is well spent; even if the ending is never changed, I've engaged in stimulating conversations with people who all have opinions on something that I also have an opinion on.

You, on the other hand... well, I don't know why you're spending your time here.  And I can't understand why, if what you say is true, you would give up your valuable 40 year old adult time to insult people that you seem to think are children, at least mentally.  That's a little sad, I'm sorry to say.

---  Oh, and by the way, a 40 year old should learn to spell, capitalize, and punctuate.  Or to at least use a kind of Spell Check.

Well said.  I feel lucky and blessed to be able to read some very interesting thoughts on something that I've cared about, with people that feel the same.  Sure, it's a game, but movies are movies, books are books and each of these even have fan clubs and some hold conventions where people discuss something they like.  What of course also brings us here is our agreement that something we felt something for failed us.  The conversations have been amazing.  The variety of people here is what was (is) part of what is most amazing about ME and what is most sad about what the devs did to it.

We are people that may agree on little else, may even not fully understand each other on a lot of other issues or even the most mundane likes and dislikes, but for one moment in time, we see things in similar, but individual ways and we can discuss it and get something back in talking about it.  I'm lucky for that above all else.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 21 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[Redbelle]

dannycantspell wrote...

Why did Liara and Edi walk off the crashed Normandy when they were the ones who had been with me for the final fight.... and shouldn't the fusion have fixed Seth Greens limp?

You have asked one of the questions that has had many a poster scratching their heads. The short answer is, we don't know.

The Long answer is....... We don't know jack, about the ending. But hold the line for the ECDLC will soon be among us to answer our long held questions.

And to BW I say this! If the ECDLC fails to answer them............ <scrabbles around for the first thing in reach> The house plant gets it!

[Redbelle]

Archonsg wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Archonsg wrote...skyflare wrote...**** Space Magic! Space magic in itself isn't bad. It gave us biotics, the Asari (and yes, I'd tap that), the Quarians and other "space magicky" stuff. It is how deep into that space magic pool that speaking for myself, I am against. Since in my opinion, Mass Effect the series was 2.99 parts science fiction and only went into space fantasy in that last 0.01 part of the series.

I just can't help but think of this fantastic deleted scene from Doctor Who when I read space magic. Space Gandalf! youtu.be/UeJ4Ak2xCkw

Heh!


What I'd give for a TARDIS.





Headline on a paper roughly 2 years ago : "2 prominent employees of renowned RPG Gaming company vanishes without a trace! "

Mwhahaha! Page 7 would then contain an article about a diving bell that fell off a ship and sunk to the bottom of the sea.........

Ah, compassion Red, <grits teeth> Compassion!!!

[Redbelle]

Heiwa no Senso wrote...

is it just me, or does the way the space-brat presents the reapers sound alot like preventative war...
preventative war is when you wage war on something because there is a chance that they might be a threat/ create synthetics that kill everything. an example of this is the pretext America used to invade in iraq the early 2000s (chance that iraq might have WMDs). It is not recognised as a reason to start a war .

Funnily enough I've been converting ME3's ending into shakespere here. What can I say I got bored with keyboard and an internet connection. I've been caught doing wor......... other things.

Since I'm keeping to the script, but find that there is not enough dialogue to avoid plot holes, I've been extrapolating possibilities from what has been said and insinuating through metaphor events and motive.

Put it another way. The WMD event described above was deemed an awful decision as no WMD's were found. But imagine in an alternative history a nation like Iraq that did have WMD's that no one knew about and used them. Suddenly there would be a precedent for searching for weapons like in Iraq as the consequences of the previous nation were felt.

In this way the Cat's actions are justified, at least in his mind and to a certain extent ours, because it no longer is a paper exercise. In the Cat's potential history Synth's really did rise up and nearly wipe out all the orgs.

[Archonsg]

Redbelle wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Archonsg wrote...skyflare wrote...**** Space Magic! Space magic in itself isn't bad. It gave us biotics, the Asari (and yes, I'd tap that), the Quarians and other "space magicky" stuff. It is how deep into that space magic pool that speaking for myself, I am against. Since in my opinion, Mass Effect the series was 2.99 parts science fiction and only went into space fantasy in that last 0.01 part of the series.

I just can't help but think of this fantastic deleted scene from Doctor Who when I read space magic. Space Gandalf! youtu.be/UeJ4Ak2xCkw

Heh!

What I'd give for a TARDIS.

Headline on a paper roughly 2 years ago : "2 prominent employees of renowned RPG Gaming company vanishes without a trace! "

Mwhahaha! Page 7 would then contain an article about a diving bell that fell off a ship and sunk to the bottom of the sea.........

Ah, compassion Red, <grits teeth> Compassion!!!

Did I mentioned I played as a Sith Warrior in SWTOR?
And while that persona might be Light Side, he's still pretty much ruthless to things that pisses him off.

Thus;
Compassion without reason is for the weak.
Harness your rage, savor it as it gives you strength
Through strength, power
With power, victory.

That diving bell woukd be over the Marianas Trench, yes?

[Redbelle]

Archonsg wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Archonsg wrote...skyflare wrote...**** Space Magic! Space magic in itself isn't bad. It gave us biotics, the Asari (and yes, I'd tap that), the Quarians and other "space magicky" stuff. It is how deep into that space magic pool that speaking for myself, I am against. Since in my opinion, Mass Effect the series was 2.99 parts science fiction and only went into space fantasy in that last 0.01 part of the series.

I just can't help but think of this fantastic deleted scene from Doctor Who when I read space magic. Space Gandalf! youtu.be/UeJ4Ak2xCkw

Heh!

What I'd give for a TARDIS.

Headline on a paper roughly 2 years ago : "2 prominent employees of renowned RPG Gaming company vanishes without a trace! "

Mwhahaha! Page 7 would then contain an article about a diving bell that fell off a ship and sunk to the bottom of the sea.........

Ah, compassion Red, <grits teeth> Compassion!!!

Did I mentioned I played as a Sith Warrior in SWTOR?
And while that persona might be Light Side, he's still pretty much ruthless to things that pisses him off.

Thus;
Compassion without reason is for the weak.
Harness your rage, savor it as it gives you strength
Through strength, power
With power, victory.

That diving bell woukd be over the Marianas Trench, yes?

Without knowing of any underwater volcanic actions that are due to occur from 2 days hence it is as good a place as any to lose a bell not blue or red

[playoff52]

So I just beat the game a little bit ago....and I'm left feeling dissatisfied. All through the game I'm being struck with emotionally powerful moments in watching old friends die and saving others. Mordin's sacrifice for the Krogans, Watching Grunt attack a pack of Rachni single handedly and presumably die only to come back bathed in blood, to saving Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Samara and countless more. To watching the pained expression on Shepards face when he watches the shuttle carrying the boy get shot down. The problem for me though is that all of that powerful crecendo was ruined by a sudden drop off. I spent so many hours getting everyone to work together and saving as many as I could (even to my dismay learning of the Rachni betrayal) Only to feel deflated in the end.

For all my efforts, it all felt entirelly hollow and empty. All the sacrifice and work meaningless. Boiled down to the worst cutscene I'd ever seen. It was like watching The Grey again. All movie long Liam Neeson and friends are slowly being picked off by wolves and you keep wanting them to make a stand. Then, at a the very end it looks like he might actually do some- wait...is that the credits?

That was the ending for me. For all the power and delivery of the game, it's like it tripped and stumbled at the end. Like the end was supposed to have been longer but it was clipped short. Was my disc scratched? was production rushed? Did EA punk Bioware for a deadline?

Nevermind all the unanswered questions;
How in the hell did Anderson get to the beam when everyone was pulling back? He wasn't even ahead of me either.
The following dialog with Anderon and TIM I can take at face value or go with the Indoc theory. Eitherway really. Though the creepy blackness that seeped out made me lean on the latter after thinking about it. If that was the intent though, the delivery was failed.
Why was the Normandy running? What the hell was Joker doing? and where was he going? When did he have time to scoop up my allies and dip out from the BATTLE FOR ALL LIFE?

It just....there was too much left unsaid, unexplored or unjustly handled. All that work, and really, the only relevent part of the game boiled down to being told "Red, Green or Blue?"

Ok...I can accept that in some sense. What I can't accept is that it isn't even that relevent. I languished for so long about the choice because I'd spent my whole game fighting for all life, even synthetic! I free'd and liberated the Geth and had to watch legion sacrifice himself to that end. I nurtured Edi's humanity, and I was all around a good guy always doing what I could to help improve everyone's quality of life.

So choice in hand I go. And the only person it really felt relevent for was Shepard. Which had an emotional impact of about as long as it took for me to disinitigrate in the light stream. Then I watched Mass Relays blow up and Jokers failed escape scene.

Credits.

Old man and kid talking about shepard years from now. Now....maybe I'm callous, but I don't really care. I want to see my friends reactions personally. I want to see what they thought of my choices. Call it a sense of need for validation. Did I honor their trust in me? was it the right call? did it even make a difference?

As it is....the ending was so badly composed I just feel like I've got a sour taste in my mouth.

[No_MSG]

I've played my Shepard much like The Doctor. Which is amusing, as I didn't even start watching Doctor Who until a few months before ME3 came out. So I was very, very disappointed in the ending, when I didn't get my Doctor moment.

I was never out to destroy the reapers. I was out to stop them. I knew that I would most likely have to destroy them, but I had to give them that option. Then I found out that they were basically enslaved to a lunatic. And then, instead of killing the lunatic, I gave him a space high five and committed suicide.

All I can think of is The Doctor, right before the season (series) 1 Deus Ex Machina. He'd sooner surrender, and lose, than sacrifice an entire planet. "Surrender, every time."

[BlueStorm83]

playoff52 wrote...

So I just beat the game a little bit ago....and I'm left feeling dissatisfied. All through the game I'm being struck with emotionally powerful moments in watching old friends die and saving others. Mordin's sacrifice for the Krogans, Watching Grunt attack a pack of Rachni single handedly and presumably die only to come back bathed in blood, to saving Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Samara and countless more. To watching the pained expression on Shepards face when he watches the shuttle carrying the boy get shot down. The problem for me though is that all of that powerful crecendo was ruined by a sudden drop off. I spent so many hours getting everyone to work together and saving as many as I could (even to my dismay learning of the Rachni betrayal) Only to feel deflated in the end.

For all my efforts, it all felt entirelly hollow and empty. All the sacrifice and work meaningless. Boiled down to the worst cutscene I'd ever seen. It was like watching The Grey again. All movie long Liam Neeson and friends are slowly being picked off by wolves and you keep wanting them to make a stand. Then, at a the very end it looks like he might actually do some- wait...is that the credits?

That was the ending for me. For all the power and delivery of the game, it's like it tripped and stumbled at the end. Like the end was supposed to have been longer but it was clipped short. Was my disc scratched? was production rushed? Did EA punk Bioware for a deadline?

Nevermind all the unanswered questions;
How in the hell did Anderson get to the beam when everyone was pulling back? He wasn't even ahead of me either.
The following dialog with Anderon and TIM I can take at face value or go with the Indoc theory. Eitherway really. Though the creepy blackness that seeped out made me lean on the latter after thinking about it. If that was the intent though, the delivery was failed.
Why was the Normandy running? What the hell was Joker doing? and where was he going? When did he have time to scoop up my allies and dip out from the BATTLE FOR ALL LIFE?

It just....there was too much left unsaid, unexplored or unjustly handled. All that work, and really, the only relevent part of the game boiled down to being told "Red, Green or Blue?"

Ok...I can accept that in some sense. What I can't accept is that it isn't even that relevent. I languished for so long about the choice because I'd spent my whole game fighting for all life, even synthetic! I free'd and liberated the Geth and had to watch legion sacrifice himself to that end. I nurtured Edi's humanity, and I was all around a good guy always doing what I could to help improve everyone's quality of life.

So choice in hand I go. And the only person it really felt relevent for was Shepard. Which had an emotional impact of about as long as it took for me to disinitigrate in the light stream. Then I watched Mass Relays blow up and Jokers failed escape scene.

Credits.

Old man and kid talking about shepard years from now. Now....maybe I'm callous, but I don't really care. I want to see my friends reactions personally. I want to see what they thought of my choices. Call it a sense of need for validation. Did I honor their trust in me? was it the right call? did it even make a difference?

As it is....the ending was so badly composed I just feel like I've got a sour taste in my mouth.

---  I am always amazed at how new people here always seem to use "Hollow" or "empty" or even both at the same time.  I felt the same way.  And it just gets worse as you read about other problems with the ending, beyond just the emotional letdown, and the bad writing, and the nonsensical arguments that the Catalyst makes.  Once you see exactly how BioWare failed with the ending in every step from the marketing up to their responses to peoples' disappointment.

[3DandBeyond]

@playoff52,

Sorry for your experience and feelings in the wake thereof.  It is similar to how the rest of us feel.  Hollow, empty.

Unbelievable that a game and games can actually achieve the heights of dialog such as, "there's a reaper in my way, Wrex," can also contain all the BS spewed by the star kid.

The hollow, empty feeling is kind of a denial phase.  Then, with acceptance you will find anger.  Attempt to find some rationale for what exists and an arrow to the knee sounds like a fun time.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 21 juin 2012 - 11:59 .

[TaradosGon]

Didn't like the ending to ME3, but very much enjoyed "The Grey"

[BearlyHere]

3DandBeyond wrote...

@playoff52,

Sorry for your experience and feelings in the wake thereof.  It is similar to how the rest of us feel.  Hollow, empty.

Unbelievable that a game and games can actually achieve the heights of dialog such as, "there's a reaper in my way, Wrex," can also contain all the BS spewed by the star kid.

The hollow, empty feeling is kind of a denial phase.  Then, with acceptance you will find anger.  Attempt to find some rationale for what exists and an arrow to the knee sounds like a fun time.

And except for Bubbles, who acts like he thinks we're trying to steal his sweetroll, this is why we fight. Why we demand a better ending. Why we demand an ending that is fair to Commander Shepard, and to those of us. We fight for gamers, impoverished to pay the salaries of those who brand us "entitled whiners." We fight so that all the fighting we've already done hasn't been for nothing. We fight because we must.

And yes, that's plagarism, but no worse than the plagaism in ME3.

[playoff52]

TaradosGon wrote...

Didn't like the ending to ME3, but very much enjoyed "The Grey"

The Grey much like ME3 was a great ride, up until the very end. I spent meticulous hours and minutes farming every possible rep score I could, getting as many military assets as possible because this was ALL LIFE at stake here, not just humanity, or the Krogans, or the Asari. But everyone.

Then it just ends. No resolution. and the only closure we get is an old man recanting a legend to a kid. It was so impersonal and indifferent it litterally destroyed the sense that all my choices were important. None of it mattered. I don't have to care or worry about dealing with Joker for essentially killing Edi, because Shepard is lost to the Crucible and Joker is off in BFE for god knows why.

It's like....the only ones that got any decent end were Joker and Edi. Two of the least most significant characters in the game. Don't get me wrong, I love their jokes and antics and it was fun fostering their relationship, but really? For me the game was all about Shepard, Garrus and Tali, with occasional Javik appearances. The end was so slapdash though that there's no sense of impact.

Joker ran like a fool and got all my crew stranded on some far away planet in who knows where. Thanks Joker for ruining my sacrifices.

[meezookeewee]

Andy the Black wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Its a game people.

2%

Sorry, but that "its only a game" bs is just that, BS.

What the hell is rong with with having passion for a game? I fail to see how having a passion for a game is anything less then having a passion for a band, or a film, or any art from. I can't even see how it's any different from having a passion for a sports team.

What's wrong is that the line between passion and obsession often gets blurred.  I'm passionate about Mass Effect myself, but I don't let the crap ending ruin my day.  Why should it?  And that's seems to be the issue that Thantos144 is bringing up, and he's right.  At the end of the day, it is just a game.  Just like a music band is just a music band and a sports team is just a sports team.  It's simply a matter of perspective.  I wouldn't knock somebody because they're a fan of something.  I will knock them for taking it to ridiculous levels, like saying the crappy ending makes them depressed.  The people who allow the ending to make them depressed clearly don't have their s**t together.  So, yes, there is a line between passion and obsession and I would strongly urge people not to cross it.

[UWxMaserati]

Playing the Mass Effect series was like casually seeing a supermodel, finding out she's actually interested in you, dating her for a while thinking it's to good to be true while you willingly spend all this money on bonus fancy dinners, then when that moment finally comes and you lay her down and kick your Maurader Shields attempting C blocking roommate out so you can cash in on the ultimate goal... you discover a wang between her legs.

The ending made me feel mislead, betrayed, cheated, and violently ill.

Modifié par UWxMaserati, 22 juin 2012 - 02:12 .

[Archonsg]

@meezookeewee

How about saying "Enough us enough, we are mad as hell and won't take this anymore! "

Seriously, think about it.
Every time a game is shipped short, shipped with bugs and coding errors that should never had left alpha stage, shipped with shoddy and lazy design (like repeated use of the same maps for different areas, like oh, I don't know, Dragon Age 2) and misleading statements and hype designed to sell you a game without the features you were lead to believe to have, you are told "what's the big deal deal, it is just a game." Games are now being shipped incomplete, expecting you to buy a DLC for the ending. It is already being done. I just don't like that idea enough to complain.

"Enough is enough."

How about saying "yeah, it us just a game but not what I paid for, and I want what I was told I was to get. I don't want my money back because in honesty, how much value can you put to 5 years in the waiting and several hundred hours of play time that I felt is now rendered void due to this ending? "

Since that kind of thing isn't quantifiable, I won't ask, but if Bioware wants to pay per hour consulting rates, sure.

Modifié par Archonsg, 22 juin 2012 - 02:25 .

[Paula3337]

Hi, I'm new here but have been reading this post for awhile. I wanted to let you know (most of you) that you have made me think, smile, laugh till I spit and sometimes maybe want to cry. Thank-you for all of that.

Anyway, the Ending just made me go HUH? several times. I, like you would like answers. Maybe you have heard about this already but supposedly someone leaked information about the ecdlc. Google Mass effect 3 ecdlc, it's kind of interesting.

I have much to say about the ending but it's all been said and so much better by you. I loved all of the Mass Effects,  They just have to make sense of the ending.

Thanks and

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