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[sdinc009]

Andy the Black wrote...

meezookeewee wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Its a game people.

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Sorry, but that "its only a game" bs is just that, BS.

What the hell is rong with with having passion for a game? I fail to see how having a passion for a game is anything less then having a passion for a band, or a film, or any art from. I can't even see how it's any different from having a passion for a sports team.

What's wrong is that the line between passion and obsession often gets blurred.  I'm passionate about Mass Effect myself, but I don't let the crap ending ruin my day.  Why should it?  And that's seems to be the issue that Thantos144 is bringing up, and he's right.  At the end of the day, it is just a game.  Just like a music band is just a music band and a sports team is just a sports team.  It's simply a matter of perspective.  I wouldn't knock somebody because they're a fan of something.  I will knock them for taking it to ridiculous levels, like saying the crappy ending makes them depressed.  The people who allow the ending to make them depressed clearly don't have their s**t together.  So, yes, there is a line between passion and obsession and I would strongly urge people not to cross it.

Believe me, I am all too aware of the fine line between passion and obsession. However I don't think anyone here is obsessed. Well, at lest most of us aren't . I am still upset about the Mass 3 ending, but I have not let it ruin my enjoyment for gaming, a passion/obsession I have enjoyed for over 20 years, nor have I let it consume my every waking thought. And I am truly happy you haven't let it get to. But what I'm saying is, I see my entire nation shut down to get behind a Football (or... *sigh* Soccer for my colonial friends) team all the time and when they loss, as they inevitably always do, the whole whole country seems to go into mourning. Then they **** and whine about it for days, weeks, and somtimes years. I see people go insane for bands, paying huge amounts of money to see them live, or for merchandise off eBay. And then when they go splitsville they set up counseling in schools and on phone lines for bereft fans. But when us gamers aren't happy with somthng, and try do somthing constructive about it, like rase 1000's for charity, we're told it's "just a game", to "suck it up", and that we're whiny and entitled. Have some maybe taken it to far? Yes. Do I get a bit sick of reading commends on EVERYTHING Bio post on  Facebook? Hell yes. But I am also sick of people looking down on us as if what we care about doesn't matter.

*phew* That was quite the pointless rant.

Not a pointless rant. Citing example: What happened when the Beatles split? Or Van Halen?

[Thanatos144]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

So advertising means they paid for good reviews huh? That isnt proof thats your opinion.

You are quite funny, bubbles.  Brains are used for more than something to prop up your headbone-I use mine to push out my ears.

Of course, there's no way to prove this.  Duh.

However, statistics point to the obvious.  The majority of fans, buyers, players, unpaid reviewers, learned people, and on and on and on, say the ending is tripe.  They give the ending low marks, bad reviews, and so on.  And even amongst those in the general public that say they "like" the ending, there's no great grand love of it.  The vast majority of those that classify themselves as "pro-enders" say things like, "it was ok," "it could be better, but I could live with it," "no, I didn't like it too much either, but no one has the right to demand the devs change it," "it's not great, but it's a game, whaddya expect?"  That's real love as I see it.

Contrast this with what all the paid reviewers (those that get money from ads and from their parent company that has a business relationship with EA or that sells videogames), have to say about the ending and how they rate it.  10 out of 10, even though the ending was, "ok".  How is that a 10 out of 10?  Paid reviewers consistently gave ME3 and the ending high marks, unpaid reviewers and everyone else, didn't.  That speaks for itself and anyone schooled in statistics (my niece is) could tell you there's something wrong here-paid reviewers if they were being honest would not be so far off from what others say.

No, it's not proof, but short of being in "the room" when decisions are made, there is no way to prove any of this. 

Game Informer owned by Gamestop in fact had one reviewer telling people to ignore the people that don't like the ending and to buy the game.  Uh, no one without a vested interest in money from the game would ever suggest something like this.  An honest reviewer would say that he likes the game, but not everyone does and might suggest that someone debating it could read what others have to say about it before making a choice.

There is ways...Pay checks..contracts....things other than your made up delusions and conspiracy theories.

[Paula3337]

sheppard7 wrote...

Al-Qiliqi wrote...

So what are the latest news on this issue?

Nothing new since 3 months ago when they announced they will just do more of a cutscene that doesn't change anything at all.

So yes they listened but then are just going to return a virtual middle finger back.

Any questions?

If you google Mass Effect 3 ecdlc there is some news, for what it's worth we will see. Rumor or Truth?

But it is summer, so are we close to the end?

[sdinc009]

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

 Its all a conspiracy huh? All to screw you over right?

Uh, I'm pretty sure that if you had even the minimum abiltiy to read you would see I never said anything about a conspiracy.   Rather, I have often stated that the industry keeps racing to the bottom as to how little game they can actually give for the most amount of money you will pay.  I am not alone in this feeling.

Diablo 3 was a highly anticipated title-it is getting low marks from fans due to the need for a persistent online authentication DRM and the use of micro-transactions (real money) to buy gear needed in the game.

Please quote where I said this was a conspiracy.  Conspiracy indicates collusion of some sort, and I've not said there was any such thing.

I have however stated that companies are tending to take fans for granted and releasing games before they are finished, fixed, and ready to be released.

I have also stated previously that I have been in private beta testing for games (not ME) and I've seen first hand that companies do not fix even important things reported in the private betas before selling games.  Many such issues can be repeated hundreds of times by beta testers and are much easier to fix while a game is still in development than they can be once the game has been released.

With ME3, there are actual known issues that cannot be fixed using patches-because the problem is once a game has been released, patching it can introduce further problems.  While a game is in development, on the contrary the cascading problems a patch might cause can be addressed much more easily.  A patch that breaks something else however requires another patch which again might break something further.

As far as my comments on paid reviewers being fully behind game companies-that's a fact, not conjecture.  Impartial observers are stating this is so, and the comments being leveled at fans by some of these reviewers is proof of that.  This does not occur in too many other industries to this extent.  I've stated that it does not occur in literary circles-few literary reviewers will tow the party line because they care about their credibility.  Publishing houses and authors do not always love literary reviewers, but Bioware put one game reviewer in Shepard's bed.  The big difference is paid reviewers owe some of their salary (most of it) to the advertising they generate for the game developer.

Again, if you are going to try and "quote" me, please use the quote you think you are referencing.  Otherwise, go live your happy idyllic life.  You know the one where you don't obsess over what's going on here.

I am waiting for proof that ALL the good reviews about this game where paid for....I will wait....I know it will be a long time

So where in this post do you see the claim that "all" were paid for? That claim was never made. The only claim that was made was regarding the the general practice of large game companies providing advertising $$ to game reviews which thus creates a bias towards games released by set companies. Essentially, it's a standard lobbyist setting. It doesn't mean all politicans are in some big corperations back pocket, but it's certainly a problem that some are.

[akenn312]

Anyway Tuesday June 26th, is when the EC drops. So on Tuesday lets see what happens.

http://www.masseffec...t/extended_cut/

Edited by akenn312, 22 June 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[Chris Priestly]

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. We have announced the Extended Cut. We hope you enjoy it.


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