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[movieguyabw]

I liked him. But it begs the question, if TIM wanted you to have an assassin on your mission to the Collector Base (Thane) - why not send Kai Leng instead? 0o

[Random Geth]

Maybe it's just me, but Kai Leng *started* off seeming genuinely threatening and just becomes more of a joke by the second after his duel with Thane. The Citadel chase started to feel like an M-rated Home Alone, like I could almost hear Kai Leng saying "Tee hee! You can't catch me!" Thessia was also ridiculous. I *destroyed* him rather effortlessly. It was his invincible gunship with infinite ammo that beat me. At least the troll mail was hysterically funny. The final fight is also a joke since it's even easier than the Thessia fight, and he has like a whole platoon backing him up. Overall, the Cereal Killer came off as a laughable character who only succeeded due to contrivance and immortal gunships. The renegade interrupt after your only *real* fight with him was pretty sweet, though.

[TUHD]

Tazzmission wrote...

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

the troll e-mail was so hilariously bad

i liked the email

im suprised he didnt troll anderson via hologram somehow because how epic would that have been?

Well, Anderson knows him and what he looks like. Also, before Shepard, Anderson is the only one who managed to take Kai Leng out of the picture (not permanently though). Also, if Anderson stays alive, Kai Leng *might* have a problem. Although Kai Leng could probably take out Anderson himself in an 1-on-1, Kai Leng can't take out a squad of Alliance marines on his own if Anderson led them on a chase on Kai Leng, since Anderson thought (before ME3) that Kai Leng was out of the picture for a loooooong time.

[Zcorck]

movieguyabw wrote...

I liked him. But it begs the question, if TIM wanted you to have an assassin on your mission to the Collector Base (Thane) - why not send Kai Leng instead? 0o

Because Kai Leng = Thane 6 months past his expiration date.

[Tazzmission]

TUHD wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

the troll e-mail was so hilariously bad

i liked the email

im suprised he didnt troll anderson via hologram somehow because how epic would that have been?

Well, Anderson knows him and what he looks like. Also, before Shepard, Anderson is the only one who managed to take Kai Leng out of the picture (not permanently though). Also, if Anderson stays alive, Kai Leng *might* have a problem. Although Kai Leng could probably take out Anderson himself in an 1-on-1, Kai Leng can't take out a squad of Alliance marines on his own if Anderson led them on a chase on Kai Leng, since Anderson thought (before ME3) that Kai Leng was out of the picture for a loooooong time.

or you know without spoiling much they couldve had him get involved with the grissom academey mission do to who works there if ya know what i mean

[XRelakX]

Bruce Lee needed to be there.

[movieguyabw]

Zcorck wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

I liked him. But it begs the question, if TIM wanted you to have an assassin on your mission to the Collector Base (Thane) - why not send Kai Leng instead? 0o

Because Kai Leng = Thane 6 months past his expiration date.

So why not hire Thane as your personal hitman, or use Reapertech to indoctrinate him and possibly heal him of his disease?

Is TIM that racist that he'd pass up the best assassin in the galaxy for a marginably lesser assassin, just because the Kai Leng is human?  0o

[RoboticWater]

movieguyabw wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

I liked him. But it begs the question, if TIM wanted you to have an assassin on your mission to the Collector Base (Thane) - why not send Kai Leng instead? 0o

Because Kai Leng = Thane 6 months past his expiration date.

So why not hire Thane as your personal hitman, or use Reapertech to indoctrinate him and possibly heal him of his disease?

Is TIM that racist that he'd pass up the best assassin in the galaxy for a marginably lesser assassin, just because the Kai Leng is human?  0o

And how would you expect TIM to procure Thane exactly?

[Blastback]

movieguyabw wrote...

I liked him. But it begs the question, if TIM wanted you to have an assassin on your mission to the Collector Base (Thane) - why not send Kai Leng instead? 0o

Because Kai Leng murdered a krogan just because he hates aliens.  There were to many Aliens on that mission, essential to to missions succes.  It wouldn't have worked.

[movieguyabw]

BlahDog wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

I liked him. But it begs the question, if TIM wanted you to have an assassin on your mission to the Collector Base (Thane) - why not send Kai Leng instead? 0o

Because Kai Leng = Thane 6 months past his expiration date.

So why not hire Thane as your personal hitman, or use Reapertech to indoctrinate him and possibly heal him of his disease?

Is TIM that racist that he'd pass up the best assassin in the galaxy for a marginably lesser assassin, just because the Kai Leng is human?  0o

And how would you expect TIM to procure Thane exactly?

Technicaly, Thane *was* under his employ for the Suicide mission.  TIM also knew where Thane was, before giving the dossier to Shepard.  It isn't that unreasonable that he could have any other agent find him, and either offer him a large sum of money, offer a cure, offer intel on Kolyat in exchange for some work, or whatever.  I'm sure many people would say Thane's too much of a badass to be taken down and have indoctrination forced on him, but it's not unreasonable given TIM's endless resources, and that his intel is good enough to track down characters like Thane, Kasumi, Zaeed, and the like.

[Trinity66]

I hated Leng and I was laughing like an idiot when I stabbed him with my omni-blade.

[CompositeGNR]

I'm surprised he dindt kill a special drell with a toothbrush, and then eat commander shepard's cereal

[jcolt]

agreed he looked like a bad comic book villain, the end fight sucked, and why would you carry a crappy sword that would break so easily?

[Kanner]

Worst character in the series. More racist than Jacob, lamer than Thane, and the TWO worst boss fights in the series. He's the complete package.

[Dansayshi]

1 of the weaker parts of the game imo. Just too cliche and uninspirational garbage.

[saratoga]

I didn't understand why the game kept talking him up. He was some goofy anime thing. Yet the dialog kept implying that he was a badass or something.

They should have just let you kill him on Thesia and then left it at that.

[RoboticWater]

movieguyabw wrote...
Technicaly, Thane *was* under his employ for the Suicide mission.  TIM also knew where Thane was, before giving the dossier to Shepard.  It isn't that unreasonable that he could have any other agent find him, and either offer him a large sum of money, offer a cure, offer intel on Kolyat in exchange for some work, or whatever.  I'm sure many people would say Thane's too much of a badass to be taken down and have indoctrination forced on him, but it's not unreasonable given TIM's endless resources, and that his intel is good enough to track down characters like Thane, Kasumi, Zaeed, and the like.

Everyone broke up after Arrival so Thane could be anywhere. It is still likely that TIM could find Thane afterwards but Thane has become much more careful after he dealt with his loyalty mission. TIM didn't know Thane was on the Citadel so it is unlikely that he could have contacted him after Thane left the Normandy.

Even if TIM could get to Thane somehow it's unlikely that Thane would turn. Thane and pretty much everyone else is speculative of Cerberus and the only reason he joined was to fight for a good cause and die helping the galaxy. Unless someone forced Thane to help there's no way he would join in knowingly hurting the galaxy or Shepard for that matter. A cure, which is unlikely to be found in the first place, probably wouldn't convince Thane to turn against Shepard either, let alone even cure him this far into his disease. Kolyat is the only bargaining chip TIM could possibly have and even then, Thane isn't one to do Cerbeus' bidding just for that but I may be wrong.

Indocrination is a possible tool but like Saren said, the more you are indoctrinated, the less effective you become. Ever wonder why a diseased drell brought down a cybernetically enhanced ninja? Yea, indoctrination.

[AxholeRose]

The Catalyst is Illogical wrote...

Cyber-ninjas haven't been cool since Grey Fox in MGS.

It just smacks of "lol animu ^_^" to me.

Dis agree with your post, besides the horrible writing in deception his character was not too bad.

I agree with your name though

[Redstar6]

Yea he is so awesome a half dead drell can stop him.

[Avalon Aurora]

I'd like to re-phrase some of my points. I had no real problem with Kai-Leng as a character, my problem was how his fights were scripted and set up in the game. He had far too much of plot-armor and cut-scene immortality. Someone quoted me talking about how story trumps gameplay, so plot-armor is okay. This argument always pisses me off, it's the kind of thing only really bad writers and DMs do, if you want a character to not be easily killed off, you have to take into account the player's abilities. Saren couldn't be killed earlier because the times you encountered him in person were either far too brief and/or his shields were enhanced by Nazara, a Reaper who can take whole fleets worth of dreadnaught fire and laugh it off. The Illusive Man can't be killed early because he isn't actually present during your encounters with him in ME2 and most of ME3, it was just holograms of him. Dr. EVA got that big long chase scene because her shield recharge rates were ridiculous until she was damaged in her shuttle crash and explosion.

Kai Leng kept doing things that had no real excuse. There were numerous times where he shouldn't have been able to get away with things he did if you were a Vanguard Shepard during the fights on Thessia and the Citadel, but he does anyway because of plot armor and Shepard facing cut-screen stupidity. Your encounter with him when he kills Thane and tries to kill the Salarian councilor was okay, the jumping on your hovercar and being able to destroy it and practically ignore you shooting at him and fighting back was not, and the super glare power gunship was one of the worst things ever, with his invincible recharge mode and such. Especially since there were points where his shields were able to be brought down low enough and head-shot him with a sniper-rifle before he re-charges that it should have killed him. It might have been slightly more excusable if he properly took cover during that time when he re-charged, and there was more than one gun-ship, and he had some means of disrupting some of Shepard's powers, particularly stuff like biotic charges.

I half-suspect that they removed the ability to carry a heavy weapon as part of your normal gear like you could do in ME2 specifically because they couldn't come up with another way for Kai Leng to even half conceivably survive his fights with you then. They also make sure there are cutscenes and stuff between any encounters with him and chances to pick up heavy weapons in levels to prevent you from saving the heavy weapon to face him with. Things have to make sense to some degree.

An enemy Vanguard or equivalent with some kind of run-away power and high-end shields and/or barriers would have made more sense, because they could have abused their powers to run away. The battle with Tela Vasir was far better than the ones with Kai Leng. If they'd done something like give the enemy assassin some kind of super-fast-re-charging biotic charge that lets them run away, until the final fight where the room is locked and/or shielded or something, it would have made better sense than Leng's plot armor.

The old Shadow Broker's re-charging thing also made more sense than Leng's, because he had a whole huge ship's main power source re-charging him, while Leng only had what could have fit in a gunship at most.

I actually liked Leng best in the mission where you meet Miranda's family, because you don't directly encounter him there, and the only characters that do don't have stuff like biotic charge or high-end sniper-rifles that would prevent him from getting away like he does. He can do all sorts of evil space cyborg ninja stuff in the background and security footage where you can't directly reach him.

Basically, what I'm saying is that there are ways they could have pulled off the plot with far less plot armor, Thessia could have had multiple gunships where even if one was destroyed, it would be replaced in guarding him and he could have taken proper cover with special shields set up to block Vanguards from reaching him while he recovers. He could have sniper-shot or hit with heavy weaponsed your hover-car on the Citadel, rather than jump on it and cut it with a sword. He could have been an android body controlled by wireless during earlier encounters, etc. just give a reasonable excuse why he doesn't get stopped/killed better than 'lol you can't biotic charge in cutscenes' or being able to take widow headshots with 1 bar of shields left before reaching the underside of his invincible glare-king gunship.

[wolfstanus]

He's not new to the series he's been around since for a long while.

[Legion64]

I find him to be very unique for the Mass Effect universe. Nothing wrong with that. Though I do hate his guts.

Modifié par Legion64, 16 mars 2012 - 02:24 .

[Walrusninja]

His character was good, as in his actions, what he said etc. His look couldn't really have been more generic if they tried.

[Jack of Wolves]

Saren, he wasn't.

He was just another dead mook with a superiority complex, for all I cared or gave thought to him.

[Novate]

no spoilers but Thane kicks ass even terminally ill, he is the coolest assassin.