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[garf]

Abrax894 wrote...

You know, it's reading stuff like Casey Hudson' interview and others with BW, interviews that simply DON'T have anything to do with what most of the fans are saying, that makes me wonder WTF is going on over there. Everyone in the media and BW seem to be intentionally ignoring the reason 90% of their fans are ****ing at them and only looking at the "change the ending" side. They don't look at WHY we want the ending changed. If they only included some context to our complaints instead of just labeling it all as 'entitlement', people might actually understand our complaints. The fact that only a few media sources are actually LISTENING is just icing on the cake. Are we the fans, speaking a different language? Are our complaints so difficult to understand? I know I'm not the only one that has repeatedly laid out exactly WHY we are upset and very simply language. You don't have to be a hardcore gamer or ME fan to understand our complaints. This all is frustrating...... I find it difficult to believe that this is all some big misunderstanding, that people could be this blind and stupid by accident. I hate to be 'THAT GUY' who screams 'CONSPIRACY' but really? I don't think this movement could be any more clear in it's motives and the reason behind those motives.

I think the overall complaint that is MOST clear about this is 'GIVE US CHOICE', which has been the overriding theme throughout ALL of ME. Most of us can understand Shep dying. Just make our choices MEAN something and some honest closure, both of which we were promised and were selling points. Pretty clear to me. Is this concept so difficult to understand? Judge for yourself. Go read as many articles about this as you can. I've seen a handful that back us, Forbes being one of them. The rest have gone out of their way to call us 'entitled gamers' and whiny brats. Even on some gaming sites who should know better. So I ask you, is this universal stupidity and willful ignorance or something more?

Sad to but this is often how one feels in any public debate. Just ask a Canadian gun owner about how they feel the gun controlll debate is handled in their country. or Ask a member of the LGBT community how Gay Marriage is dealt with in the US. Doesn't matter your beliefs or your issue. When the media is on the other side one one side only get's to frame the debate...

It feels like this.

[Exolyps]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Exolyps wrote...

But it does makes sense, perfect sense, if you're believing the indoctrionation theory.

This video explains it all.


That said, even if I believe it makes sense, I don't like it, I want the full game now, I want the ending now.
But I suppose they just wanted to indoctrionate everyone. Make everyone believe this is how it ends, just like shepard believes it.

I wonder how much more gameplay there is left that haven't been released. Another hour, 5 hours? or more?

I know that vid.

And while it does make sense, I can't bring myself to support the Indoc-Theory.

Because what it basically says is that Bioware deliberately trolled us, just to, for lack of a better word extort  money from those who can't bear seeing their favorite series end like that. For me, that would be actually worse than botched up writing. While it's certainly hard to imagine how they could've lost touch like that so close to the finish line, at least it would be an honest mistake.

If they were to release a statement now, saying "Bahaha we trolled you good! Now pay 15$ to make the pain go away", I don't think I could ever forgive them

But I don't think it'll cost anything. Think of the Zaeed DLC. Was there so people wouldn't buy a used copy. This time, what DLC is there to prevent you from buying a used copy? Perhaps the ending dlc?

[Epiph1]

The whole line that this is a high brow artistic ending blows my mind.

It's a copied ending from not just one but several sources (matrix, DE etc). It shows that your writers and directors actually WROTE THAT down as a note about the ending.

When you ask the fans to think about the ending more; that it has deep and wide meanings - the fans did, they thought it was bad.

You can hide behind the concept that "waaaah, the fans just aren't smart enough to get it" if you like; but I can almost guarantee that that line isn't going to work for a prolonged period of time. I think the fans got it just fine - you ran out of ideas and time and didn't actually know what you were going to do until the end yourselves.

The documentary says as much: up until November you were still throwing ending concepts around and were scrambling to finish up the game in a satisfactory fashion. There's not much high philosophical thinking that is going to come out of a rushed product, so yeah I'll pass on trying to headcannon the ending some more thank you.

Modifié par Epiph1, 16 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Abrax894 wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

I just posted a reply in a different forum, I would be interested to hear comments on it. http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28989

It's right at the bottom at this point.

Found it.. and completely agree.. he doesn't want it to be forgettable? I WISH I could forget! I feel lied to and cheated and this ending destroyed everything Mass Effect stood for.

LOL ok so I have more than 1 post over there, the latest 1 was what I wanted comments on.

Oh well lol with 3000+ comments I'm lucky I even found one

[Abrax894]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

I just posted a reply in a different forum, I would be interested to hear comments on it. http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28989

It's right at the bottom at this point.

Found it.. and completely agree.. he doesn't want it to be forgettable? I WISH I could forget! I feel lied to and cheated and this ending destroyed everything Mass Effect stood for.

LOL ok so I have more than 1 post over there, the latest 1 was what I wanted comments on.

Oh well lol with 3000+ comments I'm lucky I even found one

LOL that's why I reposted here

Modifié par Abrax894, 16 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[SomeBug]

Trust is more valuable to BioWare than publicity.

Trust will bring customers back for more in the future. Trust will make them pre-order Mass Effect 4 and 5 and whatever comes next.

Selling trust for free publicity by having an indoctrination ending makes no business sense.

You can't buy back that trust.

[Someone With Mass]

I'll just headcanon it so Shepard gets hit by the beam, staggers with Anderson into the Conduit, as the squadmates falls back to one of the shuttles to head back up to the Normandy. They approach TIM, where whatever happens, and then Shepard activates the Crucible, which only destroys the Reapers, since it's been carefully tuned by the best scientists in the galaxy and then the Normandy picks Shepard and possibly Anderson up to celebrate. The end.

It's certainly better than the space magic crap they introduced. It took you guys months to come up with that? Sad, man.

[ZeroCrewX]

This has gotten so out of hand that everytime I see a post and read "I see where the guys at Bioware are coming from" right away its like "RAGE MODE : ON"...

I realise that is very wrong and that people are trying to keep a cool head and all but... It hurts that those little blue children will be disappointed....

No chance I'll be replaying the games I've played for over 400hours again till this gets fixed. And no I'm not kidding I really do have like 20 shepards in each game, played them nearly all twice.. I did love this series... and now I feel cheated and heartbroken.

[theshuo]

SomeBug wrote...

Trust is more valuable to BioWare than publicity.

Trust will bring customers back for more in the future. Trust will make them pre-order Mass Effect 4 and 5 and whatever comes next.

Selling trust for free publicity by having an indoctrination ending makes no business sense.

You can't buy back that trust.

Agreed. Even if there is ending DLC I will be extremely wary about Bioware products in the future.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'll just headcanon it so Shepard gets hit by the beam, staggers with Anderson into the Conduit, as the squadmates falls back to one of the shuttles to head back up to the Normandy. They approach TIM, where whatever happens, and then Shepard activates the Crucible, which only destroys the Reapers, since it's been carefully tuned by the best scientists in the galaxy and then the Normandy picks Shepard and possibly Anderson up to celebrate. The end.

It's certainly better than the space magic crap they introduced. It took you guys months to come up with that? Sad, man.

That's how you do it lads, if you played well in ME1, ME2 and ME3.

[Mark of the Dragon]

I dont remember seeing my teammates dead on the ground? Besides how is that possible when Liara was with me then she climbed out of the Normandy?

[Jobasha]

Epiph1 wrote...

The whole line that this is a high brow artistic ending blows my mind.

It's a copied ending from not just one but several sources (matrix, DE etc). It shows that your writers and directors actually WROTE THAT down as a note about the ending.

When you ask the fans to think about the ending more; that it has deep and wide meanings - the fans did, they thought it was bad.

You can hide behind the concept that "waaaah, the fans just aren't smart enough to get it" if you like; but I can almost guarantee that that line isn't going to work for a prolonged period of time. I think the fans got it just fine - you ran out of ideas and time and didn't actually know what you were going to do until the end yourselves.

The documentary says as much: up until November you were still throwing ending concepts around and were scrambling to finish up the game in a satisfactory fashion. There's not much high philosophical thinking that is going to come out of a rushed product, so yeah I'll pass on trying to headcannon the ending some more thank you.

What's worse is that they're trying to sell you a rushed ending as a "the ending is what you make of it" kind of thing that may work in some movies and such, but is completely out of place in a detailed and rational videogame saga as Mass Effect.

In a videogame I am not a spectator, I am a player; I think I have a powerful imagination, but in Mass Effect I don't want to fill in all the gaps myself, that is something more suited to other kinds of media, and it has to be prepared in an elegant and coherent way to succeed anyway.

[magicalpoop]

Yup.

I bought the app and read it through.

While there will be more Mass effect games, Shepard's story has concluded

-Casey Hudson

Also there's lines regarding DLC, any DLC will occur before or "during" Mass Effect 3 - not after.

Sorry folks.

[Someone With Mass]

magicalpoop wrote...

Yup.

I bought the app and read it through.

While there will be more Mass effect games, Shepard's story has concluded

-Casey Hudson

Also there's lines regarding DLC, any DLC will occur before or "during" Mass Effect 3 - not after.

Sorry folks.

To which I can just ask: What's the point of buying, let alone play any of those DLCs if none of them will matter in the end?

Yeah. You just dug your own grave, Casey. And you and Mac deserves it. All of it.

[Baine10]

The facebook app correctly foreshadowed Mass Effect 3's ending.

The Final Hours of Bioware's Mass Effect Franchise.

[Smiley556]

In the gaming industry there is only one rule.

Dont. ****. With your paying customers.

[endingsuxkroganballs]

Marauder Shields shot me through the heart I will pay any amount for dlc if i can just have 1 love scene with him!

[ZeroCrewX]

Smiley556 wrote...

In the gaming industry there is only one rule.

Dont. ****. With your paying customers.

Not only are you an asari but you quote(sort of) the baddass that is Aria.

Marry me.

[aj2070]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Does anyone see this as a conflict of interest when IGN and GTTV are so heavily linked in the promotion of Mass Effect 3?

No, no.  That's corporate synergy (or some other inane corporate speak phrase).

/sarcasm.

[Jobasha]

Smiley556 wrote...

In the gaming industry there is only one rule.

Dont. ****. With your paying customers.

I have similar rules.

[dreaming_raithe]

Epiph1 wrote...

The whole line that this is a high brow artistic ending blows my mind.

[snip]

You brought up some good points. In addition to that, there's no way they can pull the "art" defense when their ending ignores established facts of their own universe and completely ignores their characters' motivations and characterizations. No true artist would do that with his own work.

What they did, instead, was try to create an ending that would create a lot of "buzz" to get more people to buy the game. It was strictly a business decision, and in order to make that work, they abandoned any claim that they were making a work of art in this particular project.

[endingsuxkroganballs]

also am I the only one concerned with the omission of Yoeman Kelly Chambers?

[Smiley556]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

In the gaming industry there is only one rule.

Dont. ****. With your paying customers.

Not only are you an asari but you quote(sort of) the baddass that is Aria.

Marry me.

Your going to have to talk to my boyfriend about that. But thanks lol.

[Smiley556]

Jobasha wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

In the gaming industry there is only one rule.

Dont. ****. With your paying customers.

I have similar rules.

I see what you did there...

[endingsuxkroganballs]

Smiley556 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

In the gaming industry there is only one rule.

Dont. ****. With your paying customers.

Not only are you an asari but you quote(sort of) the baddass that is Aria.

Marry me.

Your going to have to talk to my boyfriend about that. But thanks lol.

Hello Marauder Shields,

Just a note to let you know that ZeroCrewX would like to marry your girlfriend!

Modifié par endingsuxkroganballs, 16 mars 2012 - 04:11 .