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[Abrax894]

So this forum post http://social.biowar...dex/9992961/166 has been up for a day or two. I've posted on it, and it appears the rest of the fan community has posted on it. AAAAAAND 166+ pages later.................

[Abrax894]

Now see, if they had waited, and released this game on Apr 1st, then came out 3 weeks later and said, APRIL FOOLS!!!! I might get a chuckle out of it. This......

[Archren]

Abrax894 wrote...

Now see, if they had waited, and released this game on Apr 1st, then came out 3 weeks later and said, APRIL FOOLS!!!! I might get a chuckle out of it. This......

Who knows.. maybe if we're lucky, they'll have something for us on April 1st that's a gag ending, followed by something better... as in, all this mess was just leading us up to the big shebang. I'd actually be okay with that, honestly - total epic trollage on Bioware's part, but hey, they definitely have the power.

That being said - I'm not going to hold my breath. Call me cynical - I always hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

[Abrax894]

This is like watching the Titanic sink. Lots of screaming and a great, big, glorious ship going down with all hands, with the fans the one's heading for the lifeboats.

[Fulgrim88]

Abrax894 wrote...

Now see, if they had waited, and released this game on Apr 1st, then came out 3 weeks later and said, APRIL FOOLS!!!! I might get a chuckle out of it. This......

By now, we basically know that they've messed up.

They thought this was a good ending - well, it's arguably not.

Now, instead of being all secretive about it they should just man up and apologize for disappointing a great deal of people, not sticking to their promised "16 diverse endings" and sadly concluding an amazing series with, well, no conclusion at all. Not to mention omitting the concept of choice when it mattered most.

It would go long ways to pacify these forums, and show that they care.

Heck, if they'd just be honest about it, I'd even consider paying a moderate amount for a better ending dlc. Seeing as it takes time and resources on their part.
But this total silence, only broken by ambigous PR crap is insulting.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 16 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[scoobadude]

I know this isnt what's wrong with the ending i just found it funny... penny-arcade.smugmug.com/photos/i-dfFJj7N/0/L/i-dfFJj7N-X2.jpg

[Creston918]

Necroscope wrote...

First I was like:

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say
any more than that…”

“Whether you’re happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an
ending. BioWare will not do a “Lost” and leave fans with more questions
than answers after finishing the game.”

“I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the
way we’ve done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you’ve made will
impact how things go. The player’s also the architect of what happens.”

But then I thought:

Lots of speculation for everyone!

You can just picture the EA suits zapping him with a taser multiple times right in between those two thoughts...

[MzAdventure]

Abrax894 wrote...

This is like watching the Titanic sink. Lots of screaming and a great, big, glorious ship going down with all hands, with the fans the one's heading for the lifeboats.

I feel more like the folks who just curled up in the cabin and waited for the inevitable.

[The Big Palooka]

victoriakm wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

This is like watching the Titanic sink. Lots of screaming and a great, big, glorious ship going down with all hands, with the fans the one's heading for the lifeboats.

I feel more like the folks who just curled up in the cabin and waited for the inevitable.

Awww

Hang in there, buddy, it'll be okay.

[Abrax894]

The Big Palooka wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

This is like watching the Titanic sink. Lots of screaming and a great, big, glorious ship going down with all hands, with the fans the one's heading for the lifeboats.

I feel more like the folks who just curled up in the cabin and waited for the inevitable.

Awww

Hang in there, buddy, it'll be okay.

I almost wish they HAD just shot Shep in the head, it would have been quicker that way.

[Fulgrim88]

Abrax894 wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

This is like watching the Titanic sink. Lots of screaming and a great, big, glorious ship going down with all hands, with the fans the one's heading for the lifeboats.

I feel more like the folks who just curled up in the cabin and waited for the inevitable.

Awww

Hang in there, buddy, it'll be okay.

I almost wish they HAD just shot Shep in the head, it would have been quicker that way.

Yeah. Pretty sad that the only people I felt happy for in the end where the ones that died.

They spent their final moments believing they were fighting for a cause and making a difference.
Shep spent his last moments being forced to spit in their faces

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 16 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[rpgfan321]

scoobadude wrote...

I know this isnt what's wrong with the ending i just found it funny... penny-arcade.smugmug.com/photos/i-dfFJj7N/0/L/i-dfFJj7N-X2.jpg

Hahahahaha. Thanks for the laughs.

[MaleQuariansFTW]

On delaying the game  
In march 2011, he also faced a roomful of Mass Effect developers who expressed concern about hitting the promised holiday release date... New release date set for March 2012. After much deliberation, the CAT mission (or rather, the Prothean mission) had to be removed from the set of tasks. The missions would later be completed as post-release content"



Doesn't this prove that it was removed from the main game? Why isn't this getting more attention?

[DxWill103]

Sadness ftL

Leaving things up for speculation is one thing, but adding brand new speculation is another. Raising speculation on why on earth the Normandy would flee earth from a blast that unharmed people on Earth but it makes sense for the Normandy to travel 432 light years away from earth to avoid a light pulse that isn't even fatal to people out in the open?

I just don't understand. Of course this wouldn't be so bad if our choices weren't irrelevant and pointless. Imo, it's a bad ending if you leave everything open to speculation while adding new bizarre speculation (especially when they actually said we'd have closure; the exact opposite of closure is what happened)

It's also a bad ending if we were led to believe our choices through out the series out matter.

When you combine both of these negatives aspects to the ending, you're left with one steamy pile of dung

[CrazyRah]

victoriakm wrote...

Abrax894 wrote...

This is like watching the Titanic sink. Lots of screaming and a great, big, glorious ship going down with all hands, with the fans the one's heading for the lifeboats.

I feel more like the folks who just curled up in the cabin and waited for the inevitable.

I know how that feels :/

[2484Stryker]

I just don't get it. I'm under the impression that Casey Hudson also was the lead on ME and ME2, was he not? Did he get indoctrinated or something?

I really did enjoy ME3 for the most part and the ending did spoil the re-playability for me, but even then, I still feel that ME3 wasn't up to par with ME2.

[mjh417]

I just dont know how Bioware can ever be trusted or looked up to again. This is pure documentation of their AWFUL decision making with regards to the end.

[Abrax894]

 Ok, so I had an interesting thought on the way home from work today. Pretty much everyone agrees, with few exceptions, that the endings were absolutely God awful. Now we've all been hearing rumors that BW/EA will be releasing DLC in April/May and that it MAY fix endings. Then we have designers who post up on Twitter that and I quote 'If you all knew what we were working on, you never get rid of your copy of ME3'. Plus all the hints from the designers/creators, the quotes that came out before the game launch about how there would be SO MANY VARIED ENDINGS...... Add it all up, and either you have a seriously f'ed up set of game designers, writers, directors, something I think we can all agree is NOT the case considering the first games, OR you have something MASSIVELY epic on the horizon. Pun intended.

Now, I won't lie and say that I wasn't furious with the endings that were put out. I have tried, at times unsuccessfully, to restrain that anger and maintain a rational view of things here. But I've seen a lot of media coverage about this and most of it paints us in a pretty bad light, not all of it, but most. Then you have BW acting as if nothing is wrong. And during all this you have a continuous stream of people finishing the game and SCREAMING about how terrible the ending are. The ones that think it was great are..... well, I don't see any long posts by them, most of them just say "IT WAS GREAT, IGNORE THE HATERS'. They are of course entitled to their opinion, but they don't really offer a REASON as to why it is so great. So now we are back at all the little hints that have been thrown out there. A forum post by the game designers, facebook, AND twitter all dedicated to one thing, 'Listening to the players'. Many of us, myself included, have questioned the legitamacy of this claim but looking back, I find it difficult to believe that BW would simply abandon a practice that has done so well for them in the past. So I started thinking what they could be planning and trying to connect the dots. The picture I came up with is...... well quite stunning if it is even close to being correct. Now please, keep in mind that I have absolutely NO evidence for this, but at this point it's the only thing creats anything close to a full picture in my mind. 

So, we have garbage endings included with the game, BUT, we have day one DLC that was included on disk, at least for PC users. This ties it with my thoughts. What if, there was SO MUCH that the ME3 team wanted to do with the endings, which is exactly what it sounds like, that they literally couldn't FIT everything on the 2 disks we got for XBOX. So, since they can't give one version of a game to one console and a completely DIFFERENT version of a game to PC and PS3 users, they give us one SET of endings. This being the WORST endings that you can get. Now as time goes by, they realsease MORE DLC that adds, not only content for the play through, but ADDITIONAL endings, with ADDITIONAL ways to buff yourself and your forces before the final battle. Anyone notice how your weapon mods ended at lvl 5? I did. As I said, I have no evidence of this, but with everything that is out there, I find it difficult to believe that the ME team has fallen so hard. Perhaps it's simply wishful thinking, perhaps not...... Only time will tell.

[RidgeRunner5]

Flashlegend wrote...

Well there you have it folks. They really are this <insert terrible terrible things that should never be said about other human beings>

Troll on bioware, troll on.

I hope their writing team steps on a LEGO while barefoot!

[Pikku Shinto]

RidgeRunner5 wrote...

Flashlegend wrote...

Well there you have it folks. They really are this <insert terrible terrible things that should never be said about other human beings>

Troll on bioware, troll on.

I hope their writing team steps on a LEGO while barefoot!

That's nicer than what I thought.
I was thinking in Thresher Maw droppings.

[beebeenz]

(repost of my FB comment on the "art argument") to me its at least partly about standing up to the commodification of creativity, part of what makes mass effect so special for me is that it shows how much of a labor of love it is. only in the last 10 minutes is the ugly underbelly of "this is a product we have to get out the door to sell" apparent, and shockingly so at that. to all those saying "its art, you can't demand to change it" well, see we are the ones who have most seen it as art, the ones who have ranted and raved to, even disinterested friends, about how much potential this game has and how it is a symbol of the way forward for gaming as an effective medium for storytelling. We want to see the ending changed, not because we subjectively disagree with it, but because we objectively see that it fails to live up to the standard which the rest of the series set, for itself and industry-wide. we want the ending to change to PRESERVE and REFLECT the fact that this is art, and that this is unique and in a class in and of itself.

[wombat_stalker]

Speculation and discussion requires a launchpad and fuel. It doesn't magically materialise, and it has only 1 HP. Simply being open-ended or vague isn't any kind of guarantee. Trying to speculate on the after-ME3 Mass Effect universe is currently like fumbling through a pitch black room with no walls: there's nowhere to start getting bearings. The Normandy-crash part might have worked, if it wasn't a storyline-orphan because of making no sense. (they were *dead*) It simply led to a paradox instead - since it couldn't be real, there's no point in making speculations based on it.

[jupitertronic]

I'm not saying this is why the ending was a mind-boggle, but this made me laugh out loud for a good minute: A response to when Drew Karpyshyn left BioWare in January...

"He cites Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 as proof that BioWare can get along just fine without me."

OH GOD

From here:
http://www.joystiq.c...leaves-bioware/

Guess I should have seen the writing on the wall but I was so naive. These guys seemed to have been prepared, though. Heh.

Modifié par jupitertronic, 16 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[dkear1]

wombat_stalker wrote...

Speculation and discussion requires a launchpad and fuel. It doesn't magically materialise, and it has only 1 HP. Simply being open-ended or vague isn't any kind of guarantee. Trying to speculate on the after-ME3 Mass Effect universe is currently like fumbling through a pitch black room with no walls: there's nowhere to start getting bearings. The Normandy-crash part might have worked, if it wasn't a storyline-orphan because of making no sense. (they were *dead*) It simply led to a paradox instead - since it couldn't be real, there's no point in making speculations based on it.

Exactly.  Well said.

[dragg44]

Abrax894 wrote...
Anyone notice how your weapon mods ended at lvl 5? I did. As I said, I have no evidence of this, but with everything that is out there, I find it difficult to believe that the ME team has fallen so hard. Perhaps it's simply wishful thinking, perhaps not...... Only time will tell.

Actually, I started a second play through (crazy) and just finished the Proth DLC mission. The Proth weapon upgraded to VIII at the end of the mission. Also, I'm able to purchase upgrades beyond V for all weapons while on the Normandy.