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[Fulgrim88]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

This was supposed to be in the CE, was it not?

Lucy! It's a joy for old eyes to see a familiar face
(If you even remember me, been away since after DA2 pretty much)

But anyway, this app is in no way Bioware related. It's a piece of journalism about them, basically.
Some non-BW guy holds the copyrights, and he'd be responsible wether this made it into the CE or not. He apparently chose to sell it independently

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 17 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Necroscope]

Bump.

Modifié par Necroscope, 17 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[Grasich]

Well... that's a kick in the nuts.

How the hell could they actually think people would like the endings?

[spirosz]

Grasich wrote...

Well... that's a kick in the nuts.

How the hell could they actually think people would like the endings?

Because some people do, including me, but would I want different or more expanded endings? Most definitely, I still want my Shepard to have that peaceful future with Jack, but it won't happen, unfortunately.

[Fulgrim88]

@Spiros9110, Reading your signature makes me kinda wish I would've been able to bring Jack along when facing the God child - saying that to his face

[Ariq007]

Yeah, it's too bad they were unable to see what a dumb idea these endings are...

[NubXL]

I have no problem with the lack of a boss fight. Boss fight for the sake of a boss fight is usually a bad thing. Look at ME2. Human reaper was retarded.

It really chaps my ass seeing that they HAD an ending. They HAD our answers sitting there, ready for us. But noooooooooo. They want "speculation". The problem with that approach is that you didn't leave anything positive to speculate about. When you dump a ball of plot holes, loose ends and trollface on our laps and call it an ending, what do you think we're going to speculate about? The conversation is largely going to be centered around just how bad the ending actually was, not the philosophical circle jerk you guys imagined when you sabotaged this thing.

[Deflagratio]

Was zero closure part of the design too?

The only call they made, that I like, was the Illusive Man "Boss" Battle being scrubbed as a true "Boss Battle". They could have made it better though, almost like a Dialog maze, similar to how the persuasion works in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It's about knowing the character, instead of just having high reputation.

[Abrax894]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!! I got this from one of the devs when I posted on his deviantART page about the endings!!!!

http://johnson38.dev...500423#comments

CHECK THAT OUT!!!!

[NubXL]

Abrax894 wrote...

OMG!!!!!!!!!!! I got this from one of the devs when I posted on his deviantART page about the endings!!!!

http://johnson38.dev...500423#comments

CHECK THAT OUT!!!!

Think you're being taken for a ride.  The guy even says it's not a BioWare project, just something he's doing on his own.

[RobinEJ]

Grasich wrote...

Well... that's a kick in the nuts.

How the hell could they actually think people would like the endings?

Because THERE ARE people who LIKE these endings (sorry rather this ending)
Yes, yes, I know that it's difficult to understand

Modifié par RobinEJ, 17 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[NeitherNor]

I just spend an hour and a half reading through it. It's a great read, and a nice e-book (if you can call it that, which I guess you can!). It was nice to see some of the movies that allowed you to define certain parameters (Ashley LI or not, Miranda as LI or not, visit to hospital yes/no, etc.) and see how certain scenes played out differently because of those choices. Those parts of the game I still think were nicely done, and it was interesting to consider how much of the three games I have never, and probably never will, see - especially in their broader context.

There really isn't much more discussion or information about the controversial, and in my opinion still horribly executed, endings than what can be read in this thread - so if you're considering a purchase for that, I'd say don't bother.

[Himmelstor]

xeNNN wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

I still believe.
Hold the line.

THIS....

we may of lost hope in the indoctrination theory people that does not mean we still cant turn this around. 


HOLD THE LINE people HOLD THE DAMNED LINE. 

do not waver, do not despair

just HOLD THE LINE.

I'm willing to hold the line on a change.

But hope died when i learned they thought the ending was a good idea.

[DamnedEyez]

...the only thing I come away with after reading some of that is, one of those people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near game design in the future.

[stoneddog]

ztonkin wrote...

I honestly wonder what BioWare's thinking right now. They must realize they're faced with losing A LOT of fans, myself definitely included after this and DA2 before it. So, as a company, I wonder how they feel when faced with the knowledge they completely let (almost) everybody down.

BioWare, you have until the end of April to do something about this. If you don't, then I'm honestly just done supporting your idiotic decisions.

well said after april if they dont do something i will not be buying anymore EA/BW games again. i simple cant trust them if they cant say we made a mistake and will fix it.

[Spyre2001]

On delaying the game  
In march 2011, he also faced a roomful of Mass Effect developers who expressed concern about hitting the promised holiday release date... New release date set for March 2012. After much deliberation, the CAT mission (or rather, the Prothean mission) had to be removed from the set of tasks. The missions would later be completed as post-release content"

So cutting content and putting it in as pay DLC becase the executives won't listen to the fact that the deadline is unreasonable is suppose to make us feel better? So they unintentionally milked us for extra money with day 1 DLC instead of intentionally planning it right from the start.

Casey on after Mass Effect 3
"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"

Wow! A statement like the endings, it makes no sense. A game that takes places during the same time as the events of ME3 would have to be almost entirely action based because you can't have the player have any sort of effect on what's going on in the universe or they would of tied into ME3 directly. Not to mention why would the fans care about such a story given the current ending, where they know it doesn't matter.

Before the ME3 events or even before the ME series in general would also suffer from more action problem. The player would have to be just as railroaded as they were at the end of ME3, and even more so, to be sure their choices don't effect the history as outlined in the other games.

And if they do allow choice by having it be on some really remote colony it again begs the issue, why does this matter when we know all they other more important events are going on else where. Oh yea and none of it matters cause of ME3 Ending.

[UKillMeLongTime]

NubXL wrote...

I have no problem with the lack of a boss fight. Boss fight for the sake of a boss fight is usually a bad thing. Look at ME2. Human reaper was retarded.

It really chaps my ass seeing that they HAD an ending. They HAD our answers sitting there, ready for us. But noooooooooo. They want "speculation". The problem with that approach is that you didn't leave anything positive to speculate about. When you dump a ball of plot holes, loose ends and trollface on our laps and call it an ending, what do you think we're going to speculate about? The conversation is largely going to be centered around just how bad the ending actually was, not the philosophical circle jerk you guys imagined when you sabotaged this thing.

Then they probably had the VA record the lines like jokers lines i heard
Might not take much to rework things they alrdy have. Might take calling in some of the actors but seems worth it to pull GOTY out of the toilet cuz imo that is where it is now

[sistersafetypin]

Himmelstor wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

I still believe.
Hold the line.

THIS....

we may of lost hope in the indoctrination theory people that does not mean we still cant turn this around. 


HOLD THE LINE people HOLD THE DAMNED LINE. 

do not waver, do not despair

just HOLD THE LINE.

I'm willing to hold the line on a change.

But hope died when i learned they thought the ending was a good idea.

I'm also running low on hope, but luckily.. I'm running high on anger. That will sustain me.

Hold the line

[UnbornLeviathan]

Interesting piece. Still, not interesting enough to purchase.

[SouperTrooper]

Wow that must've been some kool-aid they were serving at Bioware. For their sakes I hope they ran out or atleast kept it away from the other dev teams.

[donmaciu]

http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

[Jynx161]

It helps to get drunk. I'm currently drinking beer through an emergency induction port, and it makes me feel a little better.

[joiner87]

bump

[Fulgrim88]

RobinEJ wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Well... that's a kick in the nuts.

How the hell could they actually think people would like the endings?

Because THERE ARE people who LIKE these endings (sorry rather this ending)
Yes, yes, I know that it's difficult to understand

I can see how there would be people who don't flat out hate it.

But I can't, for the love of me, imagine how anybody would not want more diversity, and more impact for his choices along the way

[Cptnodegard]

Downloaded the app and had a blast going through it. Not often you see interactive publications done well, normally it's just useless stuff like turning the iPad to see more of a picture, but here it made sense: polls, videos, before/after shots etc. Extremely well done, and beyond interesting.

It has given me a new perspective on the ending, but at the same time left my more dumbfounded than ever before. Seeing examples of all the work that has gone into it, it's clear that the ending is considered good by the team, as well as it actually being meant as the ending. I'm a master of quarreling and can find reasons for most things despite not believing them myself, but the ME3 ending I simply cannot twist into something that I can even begin to understand how came to be. It basically comes down to the fact that no matter how much I remember similar endings; the end of the Borg in Star Trek books, Battlestar Galactica, THHGTTG, the end of the Asgard in SG1, and so many other good ends to stories, the end to ME3 just makes me not give a rat's ass about any of the decisions made up to that point. At this point it isn't even about the whole catalyst thing in itself. I could live with the "destroy the reaper" ending if there was just some form of storytelling involved it making it less of a "oh a button to destroy stuff, MUST CLICK IT!!!!". That ending ends the geth, yet Shephard doesn't seem bothered whatsoever. not like the Asgard sacrifice where it was their choice, a noble thing to do. The ending is essentially turning Shephard into a war criminal, committing genocide towards the geth. Then you have the whole "normandy crashed on planet, start of a new civilization" deal. A topic that has been explored so many times. In Star trek in particular: Enterprise has a version of it, so does DS9, and I think even Voyager has something ("the 37's" is something along the same lines, but not the same as the other). Not my favorite episodes, yet they do a better job of covering that topic than that ridiculous scene in ME3. Either expand on it, or remove it. Don't put in some backwards teaser trailer for a story you'll never finish.

This app is definitely a weird experience. It's like seeing a cooking show with some of the best chefs in the world, showing the in the kitchen working so hard on various dishes. You're then taken to taste the dishes, and everything is amazing, up until the dessert, which is a warm poop on a platter than they force feed you.

Modifié par Cptnodegard, 18 mars 2012 - 09:14 .