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[Captain Arty]

This is really discouraging. They really just totally blew it.

In one of the other threads there was rumor of division in the writer's room over having Mac write the final sequence with little input from the rest of the team. When I read it, and knowing a little about office politics, I thought, this is the most plausible theory out there--that they put a massive responsibility to tie everything together in the hands of one guy. And the guy they picked was the guy that wrote Arrival...

Here's the thing. As a story idea, without worrying about all the decisions the players made, I think this is an emotional, epic ending, and if you played through in a very specific way, this particular ending might be okay. But this is a game where huge decisions made by the player should have altered the game much more than it did. I'm not just talking about the ending, either. Whether you destroy or save the Collector base makes no difference, really, and that should have made a huge difference. In short, they wrote the story and ending that they felt best, but ignored that it wouldn't make any sense with 99% of all three games. They just completely blew it...

[spartan5127]

So it really was incompetence...
Oh, there it goes. My trust and brand loyalty.

[morrie23]

My headache is coming back...

[AgentMulder5]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but after this I really wish Lulzsec was still a functional unit.

[Zyrious]

Seeing your teammates getting vaped would have had a HUGE emotional impact, that would have been awesome, i have no idea why they cut that or the anderson dialogue. I am forced to assume alcohol was involved in the decision making process.

[FOX216BC]

SHEPARD'S DAY

Modifié par FOX216BC, 15 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Salyut]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

You know, I would have been more okay if they would have just been honest with us.

The fact that they lied to us in marketing tells us that they knew we would hate the reality and probably not buy the game, so they told us what we wanted to hear so we'd buy it. If they'd been honest and said, "Your choices won't matter in the end, and there's no real closure," no one would have bought the game...

Closure is too video-gamey.

I know right? God forbid they would end a video game the way people want to play it <_<

I guess Bioware thinks video games can only be art when not actually treated like a game. The fact they had every intention of maken such a vague ending yet lied about it in the marketing makes me believe they knew very well that fans would be pissed.

[yuncas]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

At least now we have closure on your squad mates. They were killed by Harbinger and ----{DATA_CORRUPTION}---alking out of the Normandy at the end. Thank god someone finally addressed that.

God god is this good.

[UltraBulldozer]

Well there goes any reason for the DLC to be free unless they do it for the fans pffft yeah right.

[CommanderWilliams]

I would just like to direct everyone to 3 much better endings, written by yours truly.

Modifié par CommanderWilliams, 15 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[StefanBW]

*Sigh*

[Blayzereborn]

And by "lots of speculation from everyone," they obviously mean "throw in all the contradictory **** you can think of, we don't have to explain any of it!"

Modifié par Blayzereborn, 15 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Kenthen]

Myrmedus wrote...

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Guys, it is indeed still possible for the indoctrination theory, I wouldn't say this supports or negates it really, especially since they were actually talking about and considering having your Shepard get indoctrinated in there.

Not saying I'm inclined to believe or disbelieve the theory but just saying this doesn't really affect it at all.

The question is, are we seeing remnants of the idea or the successful implementation of the idea?

Absolutely no frickin' idea!

It goes without saying that it isn't a successful implementation. Having stupid little scraps of leftover information, assuming that's even what you have got going for the theories, all for people to spin conspiracy theories around is the dumbest ****ing thing they could have ever done.
Even if Bioware comes out and say "Yeah, that sure was what we wanted you to pick up on" we still just have a game with no ****ing ending because a clown or two wanted "lot's of speculation" instead of a satisfying ending with ****ing closure and an actual payoff for the hundreds of hours invested into the trilogy.

Modifié par Kenthen, 15 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[Persephone]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Alright peeps listen up carefuly. This is our chance to win the fight not just hold the line

Someone in charge of the whole movement, get this stuff, and publish it, send it every single person you can. Make sure a website or two get a sniff of it as well. This will turn the tide in our favor 100%.

USE IT.

Secondly, I want Mark Walters' head on a plate so I can **** in his mouth. The lead writer along with the project manager ruined the best series ever... You dont deserve nothing from us.

this^

With asinine comments like that in bold, I think people like you don't deserve anything. And it's Mac Walters - if you're going to be uncivil and flip out like that because you're upset about the endings, at least you can get his name right.

Did I mention your name anywhere? Did I imply I give a crap about what you have to say or think about my reaction to the demolishing of 5 years of effort? No I did/do NOT. 

Im dead serious I want his head.

You need help.

And perspective.

Seriously, people, stop the melodrama.

Don't like the endings? Fine. Throwing tantrums interlaced with necrophilia? BLOODY INSANE!

[Walrusninja]

Mass Effect 4 details:

. 20 hour campaign !
. Team Deathmatch !
. 300 pages of speculation included !

Collector's Edition comes with replica reviewer bribes and bonus sepculation!

[Malanek]

How can so many people in this thread say that this proves the indoctrination theory false when it specifically says...

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

They were actively experimenting with how they could implement shepard being indoctrinated. This means it is in the plot and Shepard is indeed indoctrinated!!! The question was just how to implement it. IMO they wanted to trick the player because indoctrination is supposed to be subversive rather than wrench control away. So the player still has control (or the illusion of) of Sheps movement etc. The only question in my mind is whether they have already written the rest of the ending or not.

[JrSlackin]

iRAWRasaurusREX wrote...

I hope they will hook us up with whatever they are buying..must be pretty strong stuff to cause them to be this stupid.

Multiplayer DLC...

[KHReborn]

And nobody of Bioware saw that comming?

Did you ever thought about what you said in your interviews?

[joe1852]

its about time they made themselves clear

[ztonkin]

I honestly wonder what BioWare's thinking right now. They must realize they're faced with losing A LOT of fans, myself definitely included after this and DA2 before it. So, as a company, I wonder how they feel when faced with the knowledge they completely let (almost) everybody down.

BioWare, you have until the end of April to do something about this. If you don't, then I'm honestly just done supporting your idiotic decisions.

[TheRisenStar]

It's actually good that we know this now. Indoc. Theory was just salt-water, hastily gulped down in the hope of staving of death by dehydration.

Now you know the true nature of this, and as a consumer, you can deal with the producer on equal terms without the ridiculous, coy, non-answers.

Fight for a retcon and a better ending. No choice now.

[DigitalMaster37]

I can't help but feel a little betrayed. All the build up and pulling us in just to let us down? I am still in denial. Please let this be a bad dream

[Vaktathi]

Shadowace15617 wrote...

It dumfounds me that everyone who saw the ending and said "ya that seem pretty legit", there was no way they could have thought this would go over well with fans

This is pretty much my train of thought...

Did they not actually play through this themselves, or have anyone outside the couple of guys who came up with this silly ending look at it?

I mean, I can't imagine this got through internal testing and QA without similar comments. Even if QA is just testing technical aspects, I've been in testing bays, people talk about stories, there's no way none of that didn't get back to dev.

They must have had to wilfully ignore a whole lot of internal feedback before this release if this information is true.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 15 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[Lucubration]

So.. the current ending was deliberately decided on as a good idea. That's gotta be one of the biggest disconnects from the fanbase I've ever seen.

It's a pity I don't have that Picard facepalm ASCII.

[MattFini]

Malanek999 wrote...

How can so many people in this thread say that this proves the indoctrination theory false when it specifically says...

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

They were actively experimenting with how they could implement shepard being indoctrinated. This means it is in the plot and Shepard is indeed indoctrinated!!! The question was just how to implement it. IMO they wanted to trick the player because indoctrination is supposed to be subversive rather than wrench control away. So the player still has control (or the illusion of) of Sheps movement etc. The only question in my mind is whether they have already written the rest of the ending or not.

People are certainly right to be skeptical, but I'm with you.  It seems suspcious.