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#1251
SilencedScream

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Salyut wrote...

iSpitfireee wrote...

Chris I
think NOW is a good time to discuss endings as this is a Spoiler forum
and the number of people completing the game continues to climb every
hour.


^ This. People are becoming more upset by the minute.


-Deux Ex endings
-Purposeful removal of the Prothean to create DLC (and how it can actually be avoided to get the character on PC)
-Tali's face is from picture stock (as well as the "epilogue" of grandfather/grandson)
-How little variation in the endings there is (example: www.youtube.com/watch)
-How our choices throughout the course of the series alters the conclusion by less than 10%
-The number of plot holes that now span the course of the series because of the final fifteen minutes

Activision is now more likely to see my money than Bioware/EA.

And that is a sincerely gut-wrenching thought.

#1252
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Meanwhile at Bioware HQ.

-Mass Effect 2 intro plays-

Normandy: Bioware
Collector Ship: Fans

#1253
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Hate to say it but this app might be the straw that breaks the camel's back when it comes to driving away any customers who were on the fence.

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MattFini wrote...

So, um, how about that indoctrination theory? :)


Well it makes a hell of a lot more sense then their ****ty writing, so if it turns out to be untrue I'm headcanoning it.

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"Lots of speculation" was a bad move in my opinion. You don't need to change the endings, but you need an epilogue to explore how Shepard's life change the galaxy. We defeated the Reapers, don't get me wrong that is awesome but Shepard did so much else. Not exploring what happens to the major characters and civilizations of the galaxy removes any chance for closure.

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lltoon wrote...

I don't think there's much to debate on the contents on the app.
It's pretty clear cut what was going on, that the endings were planned all along and that Bioware had no intention of changing the endings.


This.

It's not the app, it's the revelation that it was actually believed that these endings would go over well with us.  It shows a serious disconnect with the audience.  

And all the more bizzare because the rest of the game really was quite good.  

Modifié par iakus, 15 mars 2012 - 09:28 .


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ergonomalous wrote...

Its sad that i can get more and better ending choices in chrono trigger then me3.


I love chrono trigger. :happy:

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Spartan B004

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The Angry One wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, the forums are now unlocked and people can post again.

TO BE CLEAR:
The app in question was created by Geoff Keighley of Gametrailers. It was made from materials he collected, with support from BioWare, in the weeks before Mass Effect 3 is launched. This app is NOT BioWare's "official response about the endings of the game", or similar. We will be addressing the endings in the future as I have indicated in this thread.

You are welcome to discuss this app and it's content, but please foolow the site rules when you post. We do not allow swearing, fighting or abuse of staff, moderators or our company.



:devil:





Mr. Priestly. I understand that this isn't your fault and that you're burdened with handling many upset fans but I must point out that we're not upset over who made the app, or how it was made.
We know it's not an "official response."

But what this app tells us is that BioWare planned these endings all along, that they always meant to break their promises, that they thought it was a good idea to take away all of our choice in the ending and leave us with some nonsensical mess.

It takes away our hope, and shows that any official response will be along the lines of "It's what we intended, deal with it.". That is why we're upset.


Indeed. Mass Effect as a whole is supposed to be all about the choices you make influencing what happens in the galaxy which is a direct contradiction to the series ending.

Anyway, as for the "global annoucnement" by Chris, I was on some other subforum and noticed that I couldn't reply all of a sudden. I have a polite suggestion:

When making a global announcement, it should be posted in all subforums so everyone can see it. I've been on many forums before, and the moderators do that when a global annoucnement is made. I see this qaulifying as such, because you locked down the forum everywhere.

#1259
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Priestly: The app that has caused this controversy IS NOT FROM BIOWARE. Stop yelling at us for making and charging you for an app. We did not make this it was done by Geoff Keighley.

I’m not sure why it’s relevant whether Bioware created the app or not. The only relevant point is whether or not the content contained therein is in context and accurate on its face.

If not, I wish you well on any action you take against this person since they are now responsible for exacerbating an already bad situation and I look forward to any corrections those involved and potentially cast in an unfairly negative light may choose to make.

If it is accurate in quote and context, everyone responsible for the ending should be embarrassed when a better resolution was actually before them, yet what was chosen was chosen anyway.

And if they’re not, well, I really don’t know what to say that even might make them realize their monumental error if they aren't already swayed by the tidal wave of vitriol, shock, betrayal, dismay, disapointment and genuine sadness they've seen here.

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Really if you think about it the timing of this app release is so terrible that it's comical. It's like tossing a torch into a dry room full of sawdust gunpowder and gasoline.

That fact that it costs 3 dollars is just the cherry on top.

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is anyone else silently holding out hope that bioware is in full on panic mode with how to deal with this and that's why we haven't heard anything? I'm trying to hold out hope. But i'm fading fast

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Whatever chance there was of this anger against the endings dissipating I think has officially gone to zero with the revelation of just how cavalier they were in deciding how to end it, despite basically directly contradicting their plans in how they advertised it would end.

Apparently "True Art is Angsty" has to be combined with "True Art is Vague" for this one...

Was there really NO ONE with an ounce of perspective to say "whoa guys bad idea" when it came to this cluster#$(^??

#1263
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Oh no. Why didn't they ask the ONE question ((everyone knows to ask themselves)) when it came to the ending?

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What
Would
Shepard
Do?

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So, this is the nail in the coffin, isn't it?

As I'd worried all along, Bioware really did want to create these endings. They weren't forced to compromise due to time constraints or some insidious plot to drive sales of "ending" DLC. They wanted to create an ending that left us with nothing to do but speculate. Furthermore, they intentionally gave us endings that didn't offer any consideration of the choices we'd made throughout the series, when we were told they were going to do the exact opposite of that.

Most likely, they don't have the resources to devote to new ending DLC if such things weren't in the pipelines before (these things tend to be planned out far in advance, after all).

For me, at least, that means Mass Effect 3 killed the franchise, and I no longer value Bioware as a developer. I'm not sure they can actually get me to purchase their products anymore.

ME3 was awesome aside from the ending--so awesome that I don't want to sell my Collector's Edition in disgust, but I won't ever be playing it again. Ditto for the other games in the series.

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I have a lot to say about the things that were cut. And particularly about the idea of seeing your dead squad mates lying on the ground.

I'm a grown woman used to expressing her ideas and thoughts in a professional way, but everything I have to say would get me banned on these forums.

So I'll rather shut up, donate some more money for the children and pretend I never saw this thread.

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I like the hypocrisy in this final quote from Casey Hudson:

"I'd rather pilot something, not be a passenger, I want to be in control of where I'm going, what I'm there to do and the choices that I'm making."

We dont like being passengers either.

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Hey, umm... guys... you all realize that they can change their minds and make new ending DLC in the future, right? This isn't a total failure just yet. It's a total failure if/when they choose to never address it.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, the forums are now unlocked and people can post again.

TO BE CLEAR:
The app in question was created by Geoff Keighley of Gametrailers. It was made from materials he collected, with support from BioWare, in the weeks before Mass Effect 3 is launched. This app is NOT BioWare's "official response about the endings of the game", or similar. We will be addressing the endings in the future as I have indicated in this thread.

You are welcome to discuss this app and it's content, but please foolow the site rules when you post. We do not allow swearing, fighting or abuse of staff, moderators or our company.



:devil:





Look man I admit for myself I got out of line in the starting pages with the cursing part.

I know you guys are doing your job but I also know that even if you can't say you agree with us and understand why we're so pissed about all this!!

It's not like we're mad we didnt get  more mods for our weapons dude, people are flipping out for a damn good reason!

Now to continue this discussion, Bioware needs to address this really fast and take action, mass effect 3 had 4 stars yesterday, 2 hours ago it had TWO stars and a ****load of negative reviews (not just rage, actual reviews)

In all honesty, unless they fix this REALLY soon and in a REALLY AMZING OMG MINDBLOWN kind of way, Bioware loses 80% of their fanbase. That's a third of TOR and nearly every single one from mass effect/dragon age. 

Chris, this is the definition of a ****storm right here, can't you do ANYTHING instead of banning people? please? -.-

Edit: I am holding the line, till my last breath. Because this issue isnt just about mass effect, there is a lot more at stake here than an epic game's horrible ending. We either change how gamers are seen/treated as, or Bioware influences other developers to treat us like this.

Make a stand, for what you believe in.

What woul Shepard do????!!!!!

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 15 mars 2012 - 09:31 .


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MattFini wrote...

So, um, how about that indoctrination theory? :)


Where exactly does this disprove it?

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The Angry One wrote...

Mr. Priestly. I understand that this isn't your fault and that you're burdened with handling many upset fans but I must point out that we're not upset over who made the app, or how it was made.
We know it's not an "official response."

But what this app tells us is that BioWare planned these endings all along, that they always meant to break their promises, that they thought it was a good idea to take away all of our choice in the ending and leave us with some nonsensical mess.

It takes away our hope, and shows that any official response will be along the lines of "It's what we intended, deal with it.". That is why we're upset.

This.

#1271
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What I love about the indoctrination theory is the fact that the fans have given them an "out".
Hope they take it!

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Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"


So they want you to know nothing about the reapers, or what lead them to select harvesting advance civilizations (other then chaos and to keep creations from turning on their creators!!!) does that mean this Ai god child created life??? and how can they not allow you to try to reason with that Ai god child, when you can bring about peace among the Quarians and Geth, (peace among the creators and the created) doesn't seem like they thought that one through.

Casey on after Mass Effect 3
"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"



I do not know if he is talking about other games or dlc but if its dlc this doesn't give me a lot of hope for a better ending to replace the crap ending they gave us.

On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. On night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).



So this mean that the ending (and I say ending because no matter what your choices was throughout the games the ending was 95% the same with small changes here and there.) we got was planned out and giving as the true ending to leave us to speculate and guess on what happens.

What happen to choices and consequence? Guess they mean nothing because no matter what my choices were I get the same super crappy ending with minor changes here and there and no conclusion or resolution to anything other then the reapers.

from pic above.

Endings - how do they feel? Well chuck they feel cheap and crappy. That was how they feel.  We get to choice either A, B, or C and all of them are the same ending in which Shepard dies, the mass relays are destroyed and you companions and the Normandy crashes on some jungle planet.

WTF this ending is just messed up! What happened to all the allies you brought with you??? they are all stranded in the Sol system with only the supples they brought with them and left to use FTL to get back to their planets? How far away is some of those planets? (may guess is far enough that it will takes some of them hundreds of years to get back to their home worlds.) Why did Joker and your crew/companions (which was all on earth during the battle, other then joker who was on the Normandy fighting the reapers in space) flee earth using the mass relay so that when they are destroyed the shockwave for their destruction would cause the Normandy to crash land on some planet?


Brave New World + End of First Matrix  - Problem here "First" Matrix this is the third game and is suppose to be the ending to wrap all the games up. "I think you was looking at the wrong movie to write this ending"

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 15 mars 2012 - 09:29 .


#1273
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Smiley556 wrote...

Xenier wrote...

I'm just happy that Chris said it's not bioware's stance on the ending, I still have hope!


The fact that they dont support the app doesnt chance a bloody thing about its contents. The contents within are still the ACTUAL notes of Biowares writers about the ending.


^This

I've said it before and I'll say it again, its more logical to assumed whoever green-lit the ending actually liked the idea and thought it was a good one than to believe in some PR stunt conspiracy. The ending was the ending no matter if you or I liked it.

#1274
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Apfelweinbrauer wrote...
Do you know who John Romero is? I hope you share his fate...


This brought me a welcome giggle in these dark times.

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Spitfiremk87 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

I don't think anyone has a right to be self-righteously angry at Hudson and Walters for simply making some bad choices. Everyone makes mistakes.

Be sad, be dissapointed, give good criticism for them if they do decide to go back and revise the ending, but raging at people who gave something an honest try is really bad form, regardless of whether they failed.


+1

Everyone makes mistakes. This just happens to be a big one. Lets keep it civil and organized and make sure Bioware know what we want(Which they obviously do).


No. No. A mistake is Tali's photo. A mistake is having Shep tote around a rifle even if she's not a soldier.
This was a disaster. It destroyed the whole trilogy.

How can someone be so casual about this?
How can someone write the finale of an entire saga and go "alright let's just copy The Matrix" (actually on Walters' notes in so many words!).
I just will never understand why this could happen.