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[Almostfaceman]

PKchu wrote...

Agreeing with those saying we should still ask for a new ending even though the indoctrination theory is dead.

Well of course we should, we were asking for one before that theory cropped up.

And this isn't surprising to me, they made ending decisions and they really botched it up. 

[Jadebaby]

The Angry One wrote...

Xenier wrote...

I'm just happy that Chris said it's not bioware's stance on the ending, I still have hope!

He said it's not their official stance because they haven't made one yet.
But what do you expect to happen? This is the ending they intended. There's no real ending coming. At worst they'll say deal with it. At best they'll make a half-hearted apology.

But this changes nothing. The endings remain. Mass Effect is lost.

What makes you so certain?

[Walrusninja]

No disrespect to Chris, but um, locking the forums kind of screamed "we can't control this". All it'd take is Bioware to simply acknowledge all this and things could be averted?!

[Silmane]

MRedfield wrote...

Chris, I'd just like to say that although I don't agree with the ending we were given, I love you(and the other community managers, PR people and general cannon fodder) for putting up with this community.

....lol. Just lol.

[mrderp27]

double post

Modifié par mrderp27, 15 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[babelcarlota]

Hope this reduces the tension like it has reduced mine... have hope! Give Bioware some time to respond. Who knows they may make changes...

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[Hyrist]

I've lost all desire to support this so called 'change the ending' movement. I cannot, and will not support such behavior by those wanting the endings changed. Personally, if it was me these forums would be closed for a lot longer than just 20 minutes: They would just be closed.

It just shows that giving people's anger a sounding board just encourages them to misbehave and overreact - and the result is pushing milder temperaments away from the community.

This is gone out of hand, and any sort of caving in on behalf of Bioware will just further encourage this level of lunacy - which I cannot and will not support.

[Smiley556]

Walrusninja wrote...

No disrespect to Chris, but um, locking the forums kind of screamed "we can't control this". All it'd take is Bioware to simply acknowledge all this and things could be averted?!

Exactly. Stop and think for a moment why you suddenly have this ****storm coming over you. These people arent just making stuff up, we are a huge mass that is massivily unhappy, you might want to make some bloody statement about the ending already.

[Brownfinger]

Abisco wrote...

Deleted Scenes Videos:
- Liara and Garrus are running behind sheppard in the run for the conduit. Garrus falls over and Liara tries to pick him up. As he gets up, the two run and are hit by a laser as sheppard watches on without hope. In the final version (which is shown beside the deleted scenes video.) the body of your team mates are on the floor dead instead. 

I don't quite get that. Javik was in my group at that time, and then emerged from the Normandy in the final scene.

Hmm.

[CommanderWilliams]

babelcarlota wrote...

Hope this reduces the tension like it has reduced mine... have hope! Give Bioware some time to respond. Who knows they may make changes...

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[Element Zero]

I'm just stunned that the team that has brought us hundreds of hours of superb writing thought that this set of endings was a good idea. It's hard to believe.

I'd be more able to at least try to move beyond my general dismay if it weren't for the stupid Normandy crash segment. My mind simply can't create an acceptable rationalization for that part.

Please, Bioware, accept that you made a huge mistake with this game, and give your long-time customers what they want. We need logical endings for this game.

I'm not sure that I will bother with future Bioware games, if this isn't fixed. I buy their games because of masterful writing and story-telling. There is clearly still some brilliant talent on board; but their games are starting to move away from what I've come to expect from them. My future business is no longer a certainty, at the very least. Obviously, many of my fellow gamers are feeling similarly.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 15 mars 2012 - 09:37 .

[Abisco]

Brownfinger wrote...

Abisco wrote...

Deleted Scenes Videos:
- Liara and Garrus are running behind sheppard in the run for the conduit. Garrus falls over and Liara tries to pick him up. As he gets up, the two run and are hit by a laser as sheppard watches on without hope. In the final version (which is shown beside the deleted scenes video.) the body of your team mates are on the floor dead instead. 

I don't quite get that. Javik was in my group at that time, and then emerged from the Normandy in the final scene.

Hmm.

It's a glitch to my knowledge. 

[Stouny]

Rykoth wrote...

I'm feeling disgusted. But not by Bioware. By the people who think Bioware owes anyone anything. By the people who think insider discussions are indicative of how they feel towards the fans. By the people who think Bioware set out to intentionally ruin peoples' experiences.

That's not what happened, and you know it. Stop making excuses, and just accept the fact you don't like the ending, that wasn't intentional, that wasn't malicious, and it wasn't done to screw over anyone.

You don't like it. Fine. But basing all future business off of five minutes is childish.

I'm Holding the Line, for the actual fans who don't believe in crucifying a company over five minutes of ending.

[zanshin16]

Y'know, I just can't really bring myself to care anymore. I should probably feel some outrage after learning here that "From Ashes" was not the DLC afterthought that they have been claiming it was all this time, or that a lot of amazing ideas were deliberately scrapped at the last minute in favour of keeping things obscure, at the expensive cost of replay value. I applaud Bioware for creating such an amazing series that had me invest so much in the fate of my Shep and her comrades-in-arms - for this reason solely, I wouldn't even dare consider selling any of my games - I respect the hard work put into 99% of the series way too much. The haunting soundtrack, breathtaking scenery, Mordin's sacrifice, shooting bottles with Garrus overtop the Presidium, the final long walk at London, just to name a few...all just, spectacular. It's just that the emotional toll, it's getting to be a bit too much.

It just won't do, sitting around all day clinging onto the hope that we've all been horribly mislead. Regardless as to what the original intentions were, I can't help but wonder if this sort of gimmick won't rear it's ugly head once more in the future. My opinion of the company has changed. Hey, maybe a couple weeks down the road, if you guys do show us some alternate endings, I'll more than gladly take them - and if not, well, I've got more than enough head-canon to go with here; it's gotten to the point where it won't even matter anymore. I've become jaded, Bioware, and it's not a feeling that will easily go away, even with a "fix". I know it's hard to do right by everyone, and I know the vast majority of you tried your best. But letting this little social experiment go on for as long as it has is just too darn exhausting and it's going to affect how I look at all your other games from now on.

All the anger and disappointment and frustration from both ends...ME3 deserved better than that.

Shepard deserved better than that.

[louislingg]

I really think it's counter-productive and frankly a little bit stupid to question or speculate at what the writers' motivation was. I believe in my heart they wanted to do their best by their fans. Like a lot of you, I am stunned that this ending could make it into the game because I can't see how somebody in the development process wouldn't stop and go "wtf" the same way the rest of us have, but then again, maybe they were too close to the product to see it.

I have seen a lot of fans writing that they are people too and they are unhappy with the delay in response from BioWare. Let's keep in mind that while we wait for a response, the people are BioWare are just that, people, and they don't deserve to have their motivations called into question. We don't know why this ending was put in. Everybody has their own guess. But only BioWare knows for sure, so let's stop speculating and making snarky remarks. It hurts me to see all the hate for a company that fundamentally, most of us still love in some small way.

[TcomJ]

Yap, just bad writing. I don't know which is worse. Bad execution on indoctrination theory or intentionally dump the game. lol

[Rob_K1]

Evan Belmont wrote...

"And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices)."

I believe that is the most important bit of information to take from this. It shows they intended to indoctrinate Shepard in that way, where you lose control completely. Mechanics are what prevented them from doing it THAT way, so THAT way was scrapped. Nowhere does it say indoctrination was scrapped.

I would second this. Where exactly was it stated that the ends are 'reality' and indoctrination was completely dropped? And by reality, I mean Shepard really made that choice and everything else really happened in terms of the game's world and not in Shepard's mind. I don't mean 'where was it stated that these endings are final'.

All the above says to me is that indoctrination was on the cards at one point, but at least that particular way of implementing it was dropped.

[JamesYHT]

webrakefornobody wrote...

to be clear: the app was never the problem. what BW did and said (even more said!) fueled the flames of discontent. saying "you don't need to know the answers" to the guys that bought your STORY DRIVEN product is just a slap in the face.

agree, to me, i don't know what to say....only "Wow....."

[Alesea]

Ну да, стоило речи зайти о потере денег, как тут же выяснилось ,что это не Биовар, это вообще левая информация. Нет, ребята, за свои слова и дела надо отвечать. По всей строгости закона. Нам было обещано, что наши решения по ходу ME 1-2 будут влиять на финал ME 3. В результате финал в ME3 один-единственный (разницу в цвете я считаю ничтожной). Вы нас обманули. И имеете наглость играть на наших нервах.
Я остаюсь при своем мнении. Биовар моих денег больше не получит. Ни моих, ни моей семьи, ни моих друзей, коллег, читателей моего блога. Я лишу вас стольких покупателей, скольких смогу. Потому что, за свои слова и поступки надо отвечать. Alles.

[TheCreeper]

So Chris said they will be addressing the endings, okay I'm cool with Bioware again (as long as addressing means fixing)

[ericjdev]

babelcarlota wrote...

Hope this reduces the tension like it has reduced mine... have hope! Give Bioware some time to respond. Who knows they may make changes...

http://troodon80.dev...rence-290468065

You mean give EA games' arm some time to move Bioware's lips?

[clonedoriginzero]

Hyrist wrote...

I've lost all desire to support this so called 'change the ending' movement. I cannot, and will not support such behavior by those wanting the endings changed. Personally, if it was me these forums would be closed for a lot longer than just 20 minutes: They would just be closed.

It just shows that giving people's anger a sounding board just encourages them to misbehave and overreact - and the result is pushing milder temperaments away from the community.

This is gone out of hand, and any sort of caving in on behalf of Bioware will just further encourage this level of lunacy - which I cannot and will not support.

out of control? how so, i dont really see anyone going out of control. i just see people upset over an extremely dumb ending and writing process.

people are disappointed and upset, they have every reason to be. no one is being out of line.

[Turtlicious]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

Chris, I'd just like to say that although I don't agree with the ending we were given, I love you(and the other community managers, PR people and general cannon fodder) for putting up with this community.

As much as I respect the job that Chris does, it is just that. A job. He's not doing this for fun.

Right... but would you like me to go to your job and call you something nasty?

I mean, all jobs suck, why do we have to make it worse?

[Valk72]

babelcarlota wrote...

Hope this reduces the tension like it has reduced mine... have hope! Give Bioware some time to respond. Who knows they may make changes...

http://troodon80.dev...rence-290468065

It's more like they HAVE to make changes, when you think that the asian gamer, who are quite passionate, just receive the game today... I'm actually quite worried about their reaction, you know.

[kakomu]

Rykoth wrote...

But not by Bioware. By the people who think Bioware owes anyone anything.

In all fairness, Bioware does owe their customers. Everyone who bought the game spent their money based on Bioware's past performance and promises. Bioware did NOT deliver on those promises.

Rykoth wrote...
You don't like it. Fine. But basing all future business off of five minutes is childish.

It's called capitalism. If consumers become unhappy with the way a company acts, they have a RIGHT to vote with their wallets.

Modifié par kakomu, 15 mars 2012 - 09:37 .