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[shepskisaac]

Valk72 wrote...

It's more like they HAVE to make changes, when you think that the asian gamer, who are quite passionate, just receive the game today... I'm actually quite worried about their reaction, you know.

ME ain't big in Asia, don't expect tons of new reactions

[Mr Indivisible]

Stouny wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

I'm feeling disgusted. But not by Bioware. By the people who think Bioware owes anyone anything. By the people who think insider discussions are indicative of how they feel towards the fans. By the people who think Bioware set out to intentionally ruin peoples' experiences.

That's not what happened, and you know it. Stop making excuses, and just accept the fact you don't like the ending, that wasn't intentional, that wasn't malicious, and it wasn't done to screw over anyone.

You don't like it. Fine. But basing all future business off of five minutes is childish.

I'm Holding the Line, for the actual fans who don't believe in crucifying a company over five minutes of ending.

They did it to themselves, if you can't see that turn a light on. It was promises and promises, then one broken after another. It is a corporate culture that I cannot support.

Its not childish, its informed and our decision, just like you are free to make yours. You won't change mine. I wasn't expecting to be perfect with the ending, after all it is an end, but this is the near-perfect example of how not to end a massive trilogy, from PR to actual ending. I know I've taken note, I'll bet that other devs have too.

[Jsixgun]

Kyrick wrote...

Xenier wrote...

I'm just happy that Chris said it's not bioware's stance on the ending, I still have hope!

Lol.  They're now in full-on damage control mode.  I have never before seen an entire forum locked down.  There is no way that this is able to simply be a 'let's just wait for it all to go away' thing any more.  The longer they wait, and the more 'unofficial' information that comes out, the more damage they're doing to what was once considered an almost inviolate brand.

There was a time when 'hope' was not needed when discussing Bioware products.  Because you knew that they were quality things.  Dragon Age 2 was a huge misstep and they handled it poorly.  TOR was another, according to some people.  A passable game, but not the quality that many had expected.  Now this debacle involving a franchise that many people obviously care deeply about.

To top it off, we've got mods closing entire threads while only silence reigns from the developers and writers.  They don't even have the guts or decency to speak with the community that made them the powerhouse in gaming that they are today beyond coy little messages on Twitter, or rebuking people for being justly upset.

This is how I feel as well. Been loyal since Baldur's Gate. Litterally don't understand their thought process. I'll tell you what needs to happen the Dr's need to come out themselves and apologize for this and let us know that it is being taken care of internally, it's their company after all that is on fire. So far Bioware is acting like they don't even want to save their own company. 

[Trobon18]

The Angry One wrote...

It's amazing how the pro-no-changes people talk so much and say nothing.
You refuse to see our side, refuse to see it's impact and outright lie about our behaviour.

We neither desire or need the support of people who are so narrow-minded.

Almost as amazing as a lot of the pro-yes changes people having an attitude of 'if your not with us, your our enemy' and calling anyone who did like the ending an idiot. I didn't like the ending myself and would like more, but no one here can pretend that either side is being any nicer than the other.

[BoneNinja]

I really really loved this game. The flawless attention to detail and the players choices from previous games throughout ME3 was the most incredible attention I have see. This game made me squeal, it made my cry, it made me shake with adrenaline, it played utter emotional warfare on my system. It was gorgeous, it was epic.

I have not purchased the app (yet and still debating if I will), but I am one of your undying fans that also found myself questioning the ending (last 10 minutes of the game). After such an attention to detail filled game...the ending I found just became very surreal. What the catalyst had to do with the little boy I'd been envisioning through game I had no idea. Knowing Joker would NEVER abandon the fight to save Earth, and knowing if he'd truly JUST picked up my crew from the final assault, he pretty much couldn't have left the fight to get stranded on who knows what planet. Baffled as to how any of the Bioware teams would write the ending to a game where there wasn't at least one way to get the happy ending (where the crew all survived along with Shepherd and they were reunited) as you've always done. There have always been multiple endings to your games that ranged from the dramatically sad and full of loss to the "happy fluffy" ending. No matter the situation or how bad everything seemed.

I am still holding out hope that you will show your loyal fans that you still have this side to you. I don't want the "endings" as they exist now to change, I think they were beautiful. I think you actually left everything in those endings possibly open to go any number of directions if you chose to. If you don't think so, there are plenty of actual plausible theories to stitch up the holes and confusion here on the BSN from the fans that love this series so. I will continue to hold out hope until Bioware says one way or another a final statement on the matter and what they plan on doing (or not doing) about the ending. Until then I can just hope you comment sooner rather than later, because it is breaking my heart to think that this could be the end and this would be all I was left with.

To me, a DLC (or even better an expansion!) makes the most sense, from a marketing standpoint, you have a game here with lots of potential, DLCs and expansions are a way of life now, why wouldn't you leave room to be able to build at least a DLC for the massive game you just released, and you can't just cater to people who like the multiplayer, you have to give an option to the single player only fans too. So that also gives me some hope.

I suppose for now I'm with the others, trying to hold the line.

[MRedfield]

Turtlicious wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

Chris, I'd just like to say that although I don't agree with the ending we were given, I love you(and the other community managers, PR people and general cannon fodder) for putting up with this community.

As much as I respect the job that Chris does, it is just that. A job. He's not doing this for fun.

Right... but would you like me to go to your job and call you something nasty?

I mean, all jobs suck, why do we have to make it worse?

Basically this.

I find it akin to screaming at your waitress when the chef doesn't cook your steak the way you like it. (note: not the way you asked, because in this case, you knew you were getting whatever the chef was going to give you).


Edit-

Not that I'm saying Chris is like a waitress or wears a skirt or anything...

Well damn...I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT.

Modifié par MRedfield, 15 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[Getorex]

kakomu wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

But not by Bioware. By the people who think Bioware owes anyone anything.

In all fairness, Bioware does owe their customers. Everyone who bought the game spent their money based on Bioware's past performance and promises. Bioware did NOT deliver on those promises.

Rykoth wrote...
You don't like it. Fine. But basing all future business off of five minutes is childish.

It's called capitalism. If consumers become unhappy with the way a company acts, they have a RIGHT to vote with their wallets.

Indeed.  Bioware, like ANY company, owes their customers BIG TIME.  They do not get to foist whatever the hell they want on customers and demand they like it.  It's the other way around, they serve their customer's wants, we don't serve theirs.  It's OUR money.

[TheCreeper]

mariosgh wrote...

Bantz wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

So Chris said they will be addressing the endings, okay I'm cool with Bioware again (as long as addressing means fixing)

where did he say this?

Nowhere

Did you guys not read the post chris made when he locked down the forum?

[ConradsLaces]

mariosgh wrote...

Bantz wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

So Chris said they will be addressing the endings, okay I'm cool with Bioware again (as long as addressing means fixing)

where did he say this?

Nowhere

He said it right here....

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9999272&lf=8

[Smiley556]

Penguins wrote...

It was inevitable that this was going to spiral out of control, especially with this kind of information. Bioware is clearly trying to do some damage control, and I do feel for them. But it was a really bad idea to not have some sort of statement ready when you knew this ebook was coming out.

While bioware has been willing to engage fans, most of it boils down to: "Well, what did you like? Ignoring the endings?" It would be nice if there could be a constructive method of venting fan frustrations to bioware that didn't involve either adding to the fursteration, or opening the floor to trolls. Survey, anything. Even if you don't read, I think the problem is the fans don't really feel like anything is getting through.

And if you have no plans to change the ending, just get it over with.

Lol really? I dont see it. I would love to see an actuall attempt at damage control.

[inFam0us]

Mass Effect 3 just lost it's Game of the Year title.

[Golferguy758]

sadako wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...
Loved the game. Ending made me not love any game. And by any game I haven't played any video games in 6 days. Bioware did the one thing I thought would be impossible. Remove my love of video games. That takes some serious talent right there

+1

It honestly depresses me. I'm not even angry so much as sitting here just...stunned. Unless somethign happens soon, I honestly can't support Bioware. They gave me an incredibly good ride, but with this silence, and release of endings I can't justify spending money on their products again.

Funny thing was I was talking to my coworkers about how much they HAD to have something up their sleeve. Problem is when I got home and saw these revelations it just seems more like emptiness.

[zarnk567]

Baronesa wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Spitfiremk87 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

I don't think anyone has a right to be self-righteously angry at Hudson and Walters for simply making some bad choices. Everyone makes mistakes.

Be sad, be dissapointed, give good criticism for them if they do decide to go back and revise the ending, but raging at people who gave something an honest try is really bad form, regardless of whether they failed.

+1

Everyone makes mistakes. This just happens to be a big one. Lets keep it civil and organized and make sure Bioware know what we want(Which they obviously do).

No. No. A mistake is Tali's photo. A mistake is having Shep tote around a rifle even if she's not a soldier.
This was a disaster. It destroyed the whole trilogy.

How can someone be so casual about this?
How can someone write the finale of an entire saga and go "alright let's just copy The Matrix" (actually on Walters' notes in so many words!).
I just will never understand why this could happen.

And this +100

^^^^^^^

[LetheAlethe]

Hmm, I'll give it another week to see if the stuff in this app was accurate, and if they have anything else to say on the matter. After that I'll start looking into means other than voicing my opinion on the forums to get my point across, i.e. voting with my wallet.

The most direct way I can do that is not buy any DLC, and possibly cancel TOR. Not buying any DLC will be easy, since all my lust for playing the ME games is gone anyway, and I never play multiplayer to begin with.

[Sam Anders]

inFam0us wrote...

This is all EA's fault.

Any proof of this? I'm starting to think that BioWare may have just lost it. EA has got to be getting furious soon if this keeps up.

Unless it is EA's fault, then I dunno.

[shepskisaac]

Dominus Solanum wrote...

Did think it was interesting how a final game boss was removed due to it being "too video gamey". I think I'm starting to see the disconnect. We weren't playing a game this whole time, it was a....

...

Yeah...

Urhm yeah:



Still wish this boss wasn't removed? I'm really glad it was.

[Creston918]

Here's a nice picture for ya.

http://img.gawkerass...ng/original.png

[clonedoriginzero]

whats with all the people "disgusted by our behavior" suddenly coming from, when theres no real bad behavior really? i dont see any. especially since the forums were unlocked. get off your high horse. people are allowed to be upset and disappointed.

[E5150_Julian]

I hope they give something official soon. The wait is just as bad as that ending, JUST AS BAD. Just tell us BW are you making new ENDINGS or Not?

[ericjdev]

"We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game."

That's Priestly from his pinned post. That doesn't sound to me like a promise to take care of it, it sounds like traditional PR crisis management to me. Calm down, we care...really.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Rykoth wrote...

You don't like it. Fine. But basing all future business off of five minutes is childish.

Oh for sure...

Image flying on a plane from Europe to Australia, everything is just fine and dandy, nothing bad happens all the way through. Then, just before the landing, the pilot willingly messes completely up and nosedives the plane into the ground at 800 mph.

How could you possibly complain about this? He did everything right 98% percent of the time!

[cerberus1701]

ericjdev wrote...

babelcarlota wrote...

Hope this reduces the tension like it has reduced mine... have hope! Give Bioware some time to respond. Who knows they may make changes...

http://troodon80.dev...rence-290468065

You mean give EA games' arm some time to move Bioware's lips?

Well, if some EA suit calls BW and mopves their lips to say, "This is a disaster. A PR disaster and a potential revenue disaster and from now until it's done you're working on nothing but an expansion pack that resolves the trilogy in a way the majority of fans want." what's wrong with that?

[Uezurii]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

People were demanding a new ending before the indoctrination theory became popular, but now that it's disproven, they're giving up all hope?

I'll be waiting till I hear something official. It probably won't be long; not after this debacle.

Just because we have seen one note, doesn't mean there aren't others, or more developed ones. This one clearly was a rushed scribble.

Modifié par Uezurii, 15 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Jobasha]

Turtlicious wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

Chris, I'd just like to say that although I don't agree with the ending we were given, I love you(and the other community managers, PR people and general cannon fodder) for putting up with this community.

As much as I respect the job that Chris does, it is just that. A job. He's not doing this for fun.

Right... but would you like me to go to your job and call you something nasty?

I mean, all jobs suck, why do we have to make it worse?

I couldn't agree more.

[Stouny]

Roguekad wrote...

Giskler wrote...

I like the hypocrisy in this final quote from Casey Hudson:

"I'd rather pilot something, not be a passenger, I want to be in control of where I'm going, what I'm there to do and the choices that I'm making."

We dont like being passengers either.

I was thinking the same thing reading that. If he doesn't like it why should we like having the autopilot switched on just as we're going in for a landing.

For the record I'm still holding out for then to pull something great, but the comment about no post DLC didn't help,

You can´t have any post game DLCs, becase the game reverts before the Cerberus HQ after the endings. But that doesn´t meant, that BW can´t change the endings.